A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
A Planet Visitor
Coughlan's posts are maintained for posterity in google.
But, I've been wondering if it is ENOUGH that only AADP is privy
to the vast wealth of poisonous bile put out by him? Why should
WE be the only ones who suffer. Since he is also a contributor
to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
PV
Peter Morris
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Here we see another example of a deathie hoping for a murder to
be committed. Just goes to show who the real 'murderer lovers' are,
doesn't it.
Yet another example of how the death penalty merely aggravates the
culture of violence in the USA and leads to MORE murders, not fewer.
The brutalization theory in action.
And dont try to claim you were being sarcastic, PV, because you didn't
include your little ascii art thingie, not that I've ever known what the
hell
its meant to be, anyway.
Incubus
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message
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> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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> > We all can't thank you enough for your efforts in insuring that Desmond
> > Coughlan's posts are maintained for posterity in google.
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> > But, I've been wondering if it is ENOUGH that only AADP is privy
> > to the vast wealth of poisonous bile put out by him? Why should
> > WE be the only ones who suffer. Since he is also a contributor
> > to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
> > persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
> >
> > Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
> > to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
>
> Here we see another example of a deathie hoping for a murder to
> be committed. Just goes to show who the real 'murderer lovers' are,
> doesn't it.
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This is what i call David Attenborough syndrome. It is where a person feels
the need to put a commentry on on someone's post. Desi has done it, PV has
done it, Jigsaw has done it, Peter Morris has done it.. Oh BUGGER. I am
doing it. IT'S CONTAGIOUS. RUN TO THE HILLS, RUN TO THE HILLS
A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:apeho5$8op$1...@venus.btinternet.com...
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Two hundred TRUE murderers are to be executed. If all are not
executed, one of them will murder a new innocent in the future.
You can 'switch' to not execute those two hundred, by exercising
your powers as the Governor, but will in effect be murdering that
new innocent by doing so.
Going to save those 200 TRUE murderers and SACRIFICE that
new innocent, Peter?
And how about the hostage you decided to MURDER to 'save
London'?
The TRUE murder that is being committed here, is that being
perpetrated on our species with the posts of desi. Clearly, he
has drawn the battle lines, and in fact, has claimed THERE ARE
no limits to those lines. HIS WORDS --
"All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating.
How can you be 'civil' to garbage ?" HIS WORDS --
"When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the
teeming mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the
fetid stench of rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen.
When we look upon their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled
eyes ... we, as dwellers of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them
from their vile, repulsive, bestial fantasies. We must show them
that orgasming over death, is not the way that they show their
humanity. We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They
dwell in the darkness. We must bring them to the Light."
If he is so sure that he is 'the Light,' then he should be unafraid
that I suggest we shine his 'Light' into other groups. I mean, isn't
that the purpose of EVERY Evangelist? Isn't desi the 'Prophet of
AADP'? Isn't he the 'Elmer Gantry of the E.U.'? Isn't he the 'Ayatollah
of Abolition'? Why should HE fear the 'Light' which might be placed
on 'his own Light'? He should WELCOME it, and 'spread' the light
of his Evangelism across other newsgroups without others doing it
for him. And why should YOU fear the 'spreading of this light'?
PV
With apologies to the Haiku Master Soin --
Wild-geese write a line
Flap-flapping
Across the sky ...
Comical Peter script
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
Ah, yes.One of Peevey's usual tactics when faced with something
he cannot answer - change the subject, ressurect a months-old
argument that he has only just thought of an answer for, and run
like hell from the point.
Desmond has his faults, God knows, but every personal flaw he has,
you have in spades, plus you have many that Desmond doesn't share.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:18:37 +0000
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>Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:29:49 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
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>> Desmond has his faults, God knows, but every personal flaw he has,
>> you have in spades, plus you have many that Desmond doesn't share.
>
>I occasionally feel a twinge of regret at having pushed LDB into the
>'Saddam Hussein Special' of claiming 'victory' in the face of one of the
>most crushing, most humiliating, most bum-charring defeats that usenet has
>ever seen.
>
>The 'regret' vanishes quickly, however, and I have another hearty belly
>laugh ... just like I'm doing right now.
>
>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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The Dr. Dolly Coughlan archive exists because Desmond Coughlan lacks conviction
in his words. He won't allow his posts to be archived in Google. Please feel
free to use it to your advantage.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:17:55 +0000
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>Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:00:54 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a
>écrit :
>{ snip }
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>>> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
>>> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
>
>> Here we see another example of a deathie hoping for a murder to
>> be committed. Just goes to show who the real 'murderer lovers' are,
>> doesn't it.
>
>This is par for the course, Peter. LDB hides behind anonymity, and accuses
>others of being 'evil', or 'baptized [sic] in blood', whilst at the same
>time,
>wishing out loud for the death of an abolitionist.
>
>There is not really much that we can add. Certainly, any criticism of this
>'fowl' (sic) act will only lead to more 'Baptist Bumboy bumff' on the part
>of LDB, and indeed reading his follow-up to your post, one is not
>disappointed.
>
>The only satisfaction that we can take from such 'calls to murder', are that
>John Rennie, whom I previously considered a man of integrity, can now see
>LDB in all his glory. I pushed LDB to the limit, and he has just 'tipped
>over' the edge. Still, perhaps he'd still prefer to be 'wrong with an
>apologist for murderer', than 'right with an abolitionist'.
>
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A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:00:54 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a écrit :
> { snip }
>
> >> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
>
> > Here we see another example of a deathie hoping for a murder to
> > be committed. Just goes to show who the real 'murderer lovers' are,
> > doesn't it.
>
> others of being 'evil', or 'baptized [sic] in blood', whilst at the same time,
> wishing out loud for the death of an abolitionist.
>
words 'truthful.' But we all know that what I am, has nothing to do with what
HE IS. His words need to stand on their own legs, regardless of who or what
I am. And they cannot. It is not the first time he has tried to use the EXCUSE
of the words of others (Don Kool), to JUSTIFY his own behavior. His words
are the gloom in the forest in the dead of night, the screeching owl, the
rough sloughing of the trees, battered by the black winds of those words.
Words which would try to sweep us into an utter death to our capacity to reason.
Phantoms of desolation, spoken from the threshold of eternal darkness, the
edge of the abyss of hell. The voice of Satan. Siren-like, luring us into that hell
of hate against our fellow man.
Geee... that sounds like a description of desi.
> There is not really much that we can add. Certainly, any criticism of this
> 'fowl' (sic) act will only lead to more 'Baptist Bumboy bumff' on the part
> of LDB, and indeed reading his follow-up to your post, one is not disappointed.
GIMMICK # 1. Pedantic posturing. The Ayatollah of Abolition (no blacks
allowed) again forced to rely on ol' number one.
> The only satisfaction that we can take from such 'calls to murder', are that
> John Rennie, whom I previously considered a man of integrity, can now see
> LDB in all his glory. I pushed LDB to the limit, and he has just 'tipped
> over' the edge. Still, perhaps he'd still prefer to be 'wrong with an
> apologist for murderer', than 'right with an abolitionist'.
We all know who has been 'pushed over the edge,' sport. Racism,
dancing at tragedy, linking to pictures of dead bodies, posting the
most sickening bigoted thoughts ever expressed in this group,
being responsible for the departure of one of two of the most
reasonable posters in this group. Being bitch slapped up and down
the group. All in all... not a pretty picture, Ayotollah Desmond. And
in fact, you HATE the fact that John Rennie picked up on your
deteriorating mental condition before the rest of us. You've been
'nagging' him for weeks now. The mirror, desi... now more than ever...
you NEED the mirror.
PV
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> Ayotollah Desmond Coughlan |Superlunary and Most Exalted
|Spiritual Leader of the Universal
|Right to Life Church. (umm... get
|away from me -- you filthy black
|starving child in Africa) 'My church'
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A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:apetvt$s2g$1...@venus.btinternet.com...
run away from it again. Because the answer just too obviously
destroys my entire argument."
In point of fact, Peter... you DISAPPEARED when it was posed in a
form that REALLY relates to the argument... while you kept hiding
behind the argument that 'switching is what executes.' Clearly
society executes, and the Governor has his hand on the switch,
to ONLY possibly 'prevent' the execution. He does not switch TO
execute. Which is the way you wished to pose the argument to avoid
the certain complication to your 'gospel.' And you retreated from the
other simulated situation as well, after realizing that you WERE
murdering the hostage, if you wished to kill the terrorist. It was an
inescapable conclusion and you could not handle it.
But that's okay... I've grown very accustomed to it from you. I'm sure
you'll come back with some silly argument that calls me a coward or
a liar. In fact, I've rather come to like you, Peter... as one might grow
fond of his enemy, almost out of pity... and in spite of all your
obvious faults... although I know you will always hate and despise me.
> Desmond has his faults, God knows,
God.. and everyone in this newsgroup.
> but every personal flaw he has,
> you have in spades, plus you have many that Desmond doesn't share.
Nah... If you think saying something that silly bothers me, you're quite
mistaken. Everyone is aware of the depths of desi's depravity. So, you'll
need to be more specific and less specious in such claims. Because
all you have is the fragment of 'dolly' to justify anything against me.
You'll never find that I 'pray' for murderers. Or that I would choose to
'free' Theodore Frank before executing him. Or that I would call the Mother
of a son just murdered - perverse. Or that I would describe in most
sexually graphic detail the murder of a teen-age girl, relating how her thighs
splayed as she fell, and how her panty-less pubic area was exposed, and
how the raging rapist in desi caused him an erection, and produced the
semen stain on the front of his pants. Or that I would call others homosexuals
in presumed insults. Or call others (me specifically) pedophiles. Or that I
would 'laugh' over tragedies which take the lives of humans in accidents. Or
that I would post racist pictures which imply 'Listen Mr. American -- this is
the face of the person you must hate, and fear, and distrust -- this is the
face of an American Black.' Or that I would provide links to pictures of putrefied
corpuses, which left me the impression that desi was dreaming of being a
bird that feasts off carrion, or perhaps being a Daumer. Or that I would make
some of the most evil and ugly bigoted posts ever seen here. My argument
has ALWAYS been that not all abolitionists are evil. desi's argument has
ALWAYS been that all retentionists are evil. He has never expressed a
rational argument in its own right, but rather relies on attacking in 'mindless
drivel' the words of others holding a different argument. In fact, I have just
stated 2 days ago, that by and large, in the greater body, I believe abolitionists
represents a more 'reasoned' membership. Less prone to holding an emotional
view. Less prone to being irrational. More likely to try to be analytical. Even
possessed of a better education, since most educational institutes are led
by those liberals who would brainwash the entire student body, if they could.
Retentionists are probably less so. Becoming much more emotionally
oriented in an expression of disgust for the crime of murder, deeper than that
of the abolitionists. While desi's 'gospel' regarding abolitionists? Well, they
are --
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
Are those the words of a RATIONAL human? If you think so... are YOU
a RATIONAL person? Now, I would never contend that YOU are 'evil.'
I find you only to be greatly confused, and too hard-headed to admit it,
while using some very devious methods, such as lies and accusations of
a personal nature to argue your 'gospel.'
But do not for one moment believe I view YOU or any abolitionist in the
same way that desi views retentionists. And in truth, I do not consider
desi to BE an abolitionists... he is just... as a bear shitting in the woods...
intent on leaving a trail of feces wherever he goes.
PV
BTW -- my little 'ascii art thingie' is actually an invention of Earl Evleth.
He offered it as a representation of a man being executed, with the tubes
running about, and claimed it would be to the DP, what the peace symbol
had been to the Vietnam War. I took one look at it, and saw that it
appeared to me to be a guy lying on a bed, with a hard-on, reaching down
for a bottle of beer. And from that moment on, I have taken it on as my
symbol for sarcasm... while Earl has never mentioned it again.
___|___
|
^
See what I mean???
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
I answered tjhe question a dozen times over. No matter how many times
I answer it, you keep screaming that I am unable to answer it.
> while you kept hiding
> behind the argument that 'switching is what executes.'
Another fraudulent quote that bears no resemblance to anything I said.
> Clearly
> society executes, and the Governor has his hand on the switch,
> to ONLY possibly 'prevent' the execution. He does not switch TO
> execute. Which is the way you wished to pose the argument to avoid
> the certain complication to your 'gospel.' And you retreated from the
> other simulated situation as well, after realizing that you WERE
> murdering the hostage, if you wished to kill the terrorist. It was an
> inescapable conclusion and you could not handle it.
Another complete lie from PV. I explained in detail that THE TERRORIST
murders the hostage, not me. Your conclusion was not inescapable, it was
ridiculous, and I not only handled it, I demolished it. Over and over.
Your only response was to pretend that I had not answered it.
Of course, this just distracts from the subject in this thread, which is
what
you intended, isn't it. This is a frequent gambit of yours when faced with
something you cannot answer, you change the subject, and start screaming
about
a debate you already lost several months ago, and hope that it will draw
attention
away from you losing the current one.
STOP DODGING THE POINT.
You, a deathie, have expressed hope that an innocent person will be
murdered. That makes YOU a murder-lover.
How do you justify that?
A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:apn6s4$3gj$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
in a different form. The question... society has sentenced 200 TRUE
murderers to the DP. We know that if they are not ALL executed one
of them will murder a new innocent (a 0.5% recidivist rate, certainly
less than any estimate). You are the governor... you can either allow
all to be executed (you do not switch), or you can switch so that
none of them will be executed, but doing so insures that a new innocent
will be murdered. Do you switch, and MURDER that innocent, or do
you allow the 200 TRUE murderers to be executed? As the governor
those are your ONLY choices. Do not try to claim that 'switching' is
what executes the 200... because that's just bullshit.
> > while you kept hiding
> > behind the argument that 'switching is what executes.'
>
> Another fraudulent quote that bears no resemblance to anything I said.
>
Your words were "To allow the executions is to switch. And I would not
switch." Clearly, the argument is NOT THAT, but is exactly the opposite,
since switching PREVENTS, rather than ALLOWS the execution. The
governor has no control in respect to SWITCHING TO EXECUTE. He
can only switch to PREVENT execution, in the form of clemency.
> > Clearly
> > society executes, and the Governor has his hand on the switch,
> > to ONLY possibly 'prevent' the execution. He does not switch TO
> > execute. Which is the way you wished to pose the argument to avoid
> > the certain complication to your 'gospel.' And you retreated from the
> > other simulated situation as well, after realizing that you WERE
> > murdering the hostage, if you wished to kill the terrorist. It was an
> > inescapable conclusion and you could not handle it.
>
> Another complete lie from PV. I explained in detail that THE TERRORIST
> murders the hostage, not me. Your conclusion was not inescapable, it was
> ridiculous, and I not only handled it, I demolished it. Over and over.
>
terrorist were simply a boyfriend holding his girlfriend in front of him,
you would certainly not murder her, to kill him. You are doing so,
BECAUSE of the threat he represents to OTHERS, not to her.
> Your only response was to pretend that I had not answered it.
>
Well... you did answer the terrorist problem, but distorted your answer.
You would MURDER the hostage to kill the terrorist to prevent him from
destroying London. You admit that... great... I accept that, since that
is what I would do as well. But do not presume that the terrorist is
responsible for her murder... YOU ARE. Just as surely as if you had
murdered her, outside of a bar, if she was threatened in the same manner
by her boyfriend, and you murdered her to prevent him from harming her.
What rubbish. You are murdering HER to save London... plain and
simple.
> Of course, this just distracts from the subject in this thread, which is
> what
> you intended, isn't it. This is a frequent gambit of yours when faced with
> something you cannot answer, you change the subject, and start screaming
> about
> a debate you already lost several months ago, and hope that it will draw
> attention
> away from you losing the current one.
>
> STOP DODGING THE POINT.
>
> You, a deathie, have expressed hope that an innocent person will be
> murdered. That makes YOU a murder-lover.
>
I never express 'hope' that an innocent person will be murdered. That's
nonsense. Where did you ever come up with that? Of course, if you
claim that in respect to the terrorist problem... then you HOPE an
innocent person will be murdered as well, to save London.
> How do you justify that?
>
?????????????
PV
Peter Morris
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> >
> > I answered tjhe question a dozen times over. No matter how many times
> > I answer it, you keep screaming that I am unable to answer it.
> >
> No, Peter.. you've never answered it...
Sigh.
Here we go again.
PV : would you shoot the terrorsist?
Peter : Yes, I would shoot the terrorist.
PV: You havren't answered the question. WOULD YOU SHOOT THE TERRORIST?
Peter: Yes.
PV: You can't answer the question. I've won . You refuse to say yes or no.
come on
answer the question woul;pd you shoot the terriorist? Answer that. yo9u cant
answer.
Ive asked you this so many times and you always refuse yto answer.
Peter: The answer is yes.
PV : I knew it. You cant answer. You havre never answered. Say yes or no,
Peter.
Answer the question. Woulod you shoot the terrorist?
Peter: Yes.
PV: Look everyone, I've won. Peter can't answer. I ask him whether he will
shoot the terrosist, and he refuses to answer. He won't answer. He has
never
answered. I've won. I always win. This is the best I've ever done in any
debate.
I lose debates with most people, but I always do this well against Peter.
I've
won. All he has to do is say 'yes' or 'no' but he refuses to do so. I've
won.
Would yyou shoot the terrorist, Peter. Stop dodging the question. Would you
shoot the terrorist?
Peter: Yes.
And so on.
This of course comes from PV's desperate attempt to draw attention away
from his vile behaviour. He has expressed the hope that an innocent person
will be murdered.
How do you justify that, PV?
A Planet Visitor
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> > >
> > > I answered tjhe question a dozen times over. No matter how many times
> > > I answer it, you keep screaming that I am unable to answer it.
> > >
> > No, Peter.. you've never answered it...
>
> Sigh.
> Here we go again.
>
> PV : would you shoot the terrorsist?
>
> Peter : Yes, I would shoot the terrorist.
>
By murdering the hostage. As long as we are clear on that point.
Actually, you are again lying... since in my last post I wrote these
words -- "Well... you did answer the terrorist problem, but distorted your
answer. You would MURDER the hostage to kill the terrorist to prevent
him from destroying London. You admit that... great... I accept that, since
that is what I would do as well. But do not presume that the terrorist is
responsible for her murder... YOU ARE. Just as surely as if you had
murdered her, outside of a bar, if she was threatened in the same manner
by her boyfriend, and you murdered her to prevent him from harming her.
What rubbish. You are murdering HER to save London... plain and
simple."
So, do not try to state that I did not recognize your answer --- You
would MURDER the hostage to kill the terrorist to prevent him from
destroying London. It's what I would do myself. But do not presume it
is any different than the trolley problem, except that it is London, rather than
the five innocents you are saving by murdering the hostage.
>
> This of course comes from PV's desperate attempt to draw attention away
> from his vile behaviour. He has expressed the hope that an innocent person
> will be murdered.
>
> How do you justify that, PV?
>
I don't 'hope' that an innocent person will be murdered. Once again, your
evil little mind has attempted to distort the fact that the question revolves around
CHOICES. It is a matter of CHOICES. Irrefutable CHOICES. CHOICES
that MUST be made TO KILL to save a greater number, or NOT KILL to
allow a greater number to die. I would 'hope' that such a problem NEVER
leaves the theoretical realm... but it certainly demonstrates how much we
value life, and how we weigh that value when FACED with those CHOICES.
The fact that I feel two innocent lives are twice as valuable as one innocent
life, is justification enough --- for me. Perhaps you find that only when it
is London weighed against one innocent life, do you find your choice in
murdering an innocent to be easier.
It is the same with the 'problem' of the CHOICES that a governor has to
make (which you DID avoid), when considering commuting the DP. How
many lives of TRUE murderers are worth the life of a NEW INNOCENT
victim? Should we presume that no TRUE murderer will ever murder
again, when we KNOW that to be untrue?
PV
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
> >
> > This of course comes from PV's desperate attempt to draw attention away
> > from his vile behaviour. He has expressed the hope that an innocent
person
> > will be murdered.
> >
> > How do you justify that, PV?
> >
> I don't 'hope' that an innocent person will be murdered. Once again, your
> evil little mind has attempted to distort the fact that the question
revolves around
> CHOICES. It is a matter of CHOICES. Irrefutable CHOICES. CHOICES
> that MUST be made TO KILL to save a greater number, or NOT KILL to
> allow a greater number to die.
Here we see yet another example of Peevey's utter dishonesty. He claims
that he doesn't hope that an innocent person will be murdered. Once again,
he has said something embarrasingly stupid, then pretends that he hasn't
said it.
Once again, he has flip-flopped.
Let us quote his EXACT words to him.
<< We all can't thank you enough for your efforts in insuring that Desmond
Coughlan's posts are maintained for posterity in google.
But, I've been wondering if it is ENOUGH that only AADP is privy
to the vast wealth of poisonous bile put out by him? Why should
WE be the only ones who suffer. Since he is also a contributor
to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
Your EXACT words, PV. You express the hope that they "might
put out a contraqct on Desi" Your own EXACT words. What does this
mean, if not a hope that an innocent person will be murdered?
And your attempts to draw attention away from this by waffling about
the trolley problem are just pathetic.
<< the question revolves around CHOICES. It is a matter of CHOICES.
Irrefutable CHOICES. CHOICES that MUST be made TO KILL to
save a greater number, or NOT KILL to allow a greater number to die.>>
Can you explain that, Peevey? How does putting a contract on your
intellectual
superior, Desmond, result in saving a greater number?
And you wonder why I despise you.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:41:26 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Let us quote his EXACT words to him.
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
>>> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
>
>Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
>because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
>advocating the contract killing of another poster.
>
>As he would say, ''nuf said' (punctuation errors corrected).
>
>{ snip }
>
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>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:aq5vqp$21f$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
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> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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> >
> > >
> > > This of course comes from PV's desperate attempt to draw attention away
> > > from his vile behaviour. He has expressed the hope that an innocent
> person
> > > will be murdered.
> > >
> > > How do you justify that, PV?
> > >
> > I don't 'hope' that an innocent person will be murdered. Once again, your
> > evil little mind has attempted to distort the fact that the question
> revolves around
> > CHOICES. It is a matter of CHOICES. Irrefutable CHOICES. CHOICES
> > that MUST be made TO KILL to save a greater number, or NOT KILL to
> > allow a greater number to die.
>
> Here we see yet another example of Peevey's utter dishonesty. He claims
> that he doesn't hope that an innocent person will be murdered. Once again,
> he has said something embarrasingly stupid, then pretends that he hasn't
> said it.
> Once again, he has flip-flopped.
>
I hear when desi posts... Colonel Bogey's March... as the wind whistles
from one of your ears out the other.
> Let us quote his EXACT words to him.
>
> << We all can't thank you enough for your efforts in insuring that Desmond
> Coughlan's posts are maintained for posterity in google.
>
> But, I've been wondering if it is ENOUGH that only AADP is privy
> to the vast wealth of poisonous bile put out by him? Why should
> WE be the only ones who suffer. Since he is also a contributor
> to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
> persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
>
> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
>
> Your EXACT words, PV. You express the hope that they "might
> put out a contraqct on Desi" Your own EXACT words. What does this
> mean, if not a hope that an innocent person will be murdered?
>
been your specialty, Peter. Perhaps you don't recognize the word
'they.' Everyone realizes that motorcycle gangs, and the mafia are
not your common law-abiding citizen. I did not express the 'hope'
that it would happen, merely the possibility that it could happen,
when one runs with the 'wrong crowd.'
And in any case, desi is 'fair game' for anything. There is no doubt
in my mind, that God said 'oops,' as he came off the production line.
That is how disgusting I find him. He has called me a 'homosexual,'
presuming that is some sort of an insult in his homophobic daze.
He has called me a pedophile... not once but SIX times. He has
posted obscene gif's presuming they are of me. He has LIED, more
times than one can imagine in claiming that I have made certain
statements (in respect to O.J. Simpson, and Arabs for only two
examples). He is certainly a racist, in fact, happy to be 'out of the
closet' in respect to being a racist. Further, he has 'prayed' here for
murderers who escaped from prison; has called the Mother of a son
just murdered -- perverse; and his 'the last 43 seconds in the life of
a teen-age female' (would we expect another?), including his implied
desire to rape that victim, was seen as simply his 'sexual fantasy,'
let loose upon the group. If you have any questions on these claims
I would be glad to provide the proof.
Now, some who claim to 'know' the 'real' desi, argue that he is 'not as
he seems here.' But this is ALL I see here... thus I base my views on
WHAT I see here. To me, he is an utterly obscene presence in this
newsgroup, and, IMHO, you would do well not to connect yourself with him,
as you have disconnected yourself from dirtbag. You and I have our
differences, but for you to take desi's side in any argument, does
not speak well of you. In fact, it rather connects you with the classic
pariah, shunned even by other abolitionists, as a destructive presence
to their argument. Only dirtbag has aligned himself with desi. Is that
the image you wish to portray here? Will you next be sucking up to
dirtbag as well?
> And your attempts to draw attention away from this by waffling about
> the trolley problem are just pathetic.
>
It appears we will ALWAYS return to the trolley problem, Peter.
> << the question revolves around CHOICES. It is a matter of CHOICES.
> Irrefutable CHOICES. CHOICES that MUST be made TO KILL to
> save a greater number, or NOT KILL to allow a greater number to die.>>
>
> Can you explain that, Peevey? How does putting a contract on your
> intellectual
> superior, Desmond, result in saving a greater number?
>
My 'intellectual superior'? Surely the word 'bubblehead' fits you perfectly
if you presume that someone who is unaware of the most basic meaning
of 'intellect' could EVER be my 'intellectual superior.' When one realizes
that desi is devoid of any 'intellectual capacity' in Logic, Mathematics,
Common Sense, deductive reasoning, integrity, dignity, respectability,
accountability, or truth, it is impossible to draw the conclusion you have
now drawn, without the transparent existence of a great bias. Clearly
you have been sipping on desi's "Cajun Voodoo and mysterious
swamp fever dissolved in the sugars of Boozoo Bajou"
> And you wonder why I despise you.
>
What I 'wonder' about, Peter... is how you could be so vicious. You need
to turn your back on the Godless presence of desi... and let 'love' come into
your heart... as I have done with you. Do not hate the innocent victim of
murder as desi does. I no longer find you anything but a confused young
man... unaware of what your actual 'gospel' is. Insecure in your 'agenda,'
and filled with hate which clouds your vision of humanity. Turn away from
the evil that desi offers, and present your argument in support of abolition
on your own two legs... without the necessity of presuming you need
desi's help. Trust me... desi will lead you down the road to Perdition.
An evil so grim, you will find you begin to hate YOURSELF for having
allied yourself with him. Look for the light... because desi will only lead
you to that inky blackness that rest in the heart of his dark soul.
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
>
>
> >> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
> >> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
>
> because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
> advocating the contract killing of another poster.
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=contract%20killing&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.activism.death-pen
alty&as_uauthors=Planet&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=10&as_miny=2002&as_maxd=4&as_maxm=11&as_maxy=2002&hl=en
One result -- Jürgen having used the term.
> As he would say, ''nuf said' (punctuation errors corrected).
>
You're so full of shit, desi. Actually, it is YOU who has claimed that
a poster 'firebombed' your flat, and that you were instrumental in him
being incarcerated in a federal prison.
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Ayatollah Desmond Coughlan | |Superlunary and Most Exalted
|Spiritual Leader of the Universal
|Right to Life Church. (umm... get
|away from me -- you filthy black
|starving child in Africa) 'My church'
|isn't for you.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:57:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> > Let us quote his EXACT words to him.
>
> >> >> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
>
> >> Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
> >> because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
> >> advocating the contract killing of another poster.
>
> > ROTFLMAO --
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=contract%20killing&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.activism.death-pen
> > alty&as_uauthors=Planet&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=10&as_miny=2002&as_maxd=4&as_maxm=11&as_maxy=2002&hl=en
>
> did not match any documents.'
>
> What a moron you are, LDB. A lying moron, even, for whilst you certainly
> said ...
>
Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
> 'they might even put out a contract on desi.' [1]
>
That is quite a different story. And I have already replied to that to
Peter... who expects to become one of your apostles of evil.
As I told Peter, you too are trying to shove 10 pounds of shit into a
5 pound bag. Perhaps you don't recognize the word 'they.' Everyone
realizes that motorcycle gangs, and the mafia are not your common
law-abiding citizen. I did not express the 'hope' that it would happen,
merely the possibility that it could happen, when one runs with the
'wrong crowd.' Nor did I use the word 'killing.' They could well put
out a contract to put a 'great hurt' on you, for your words. As usual,
you tend to distort my words.
> ... you are now going to claim that because you did not say, 'contract
> killing', you somehow 'didn't mean' that. Just as your now infamous
> 'quote' (sic) ...
Of course YOU can imagine what you will. But the FACT is that
I did not say 'contract killing.' For all it's worth, it might be a
'contract' to buy your bike. If you are going to accuse me of something,
get the words right.
>
> 'Of course he WAS [sic] found guilty in a civil court' [2]
>
> ... you didn't 'really mean "convicted"'. Coming from someone who
> has said that it is not necessary to make an anti-Semitic statement,
> in order to be considered an anti-Semite, this is laughable.
>
Oh... you've proved the truth of that statement over and over.
With your lies in respect to presuming to quote my words about
'Arabs.'
> ROTFLMAO.
Since you are so fond of 'repeating' this particular mistake on my
part, where I used the word 'guilty' instead of 'liable,' and you are
determined, as usual, to suck the last drop from this... let me
simply repeat what I posted in another post, where you giggled
hysterically over this same blunder on my part. Clearly, you are every
bit as 'guilty' in respect to speaking shit. Most especially in your
argument (sic) that Judge Zobel did not have the power to overturn
the guilty verdict of the 'Great White Whale.' In fact, you WENT ON
AND ON, becoming so hysterical you even e-mailed the Massachusetts
legal system. And then found yourself with tremendous egg on your
face. While I immediately admitted that I should have used 'liable' instead
of 'guilty.'
Some of your words -- "Psst, LDB ? Tell us again about how O.J.
Simpson was 'convicted of murder in a civil court' ... or even better,
how Judge Zobel 'could have simply overturned' Louise Woodward's
Second-Degree Murder conviction, if he had wanted to ..."
Buzzzzz.... wrong..
You wrote --
"The Judge was _not_ empowered to 'overturn' the verdict. All he
could do was to reduce it to manslaughter. Which is what he did."
Buzzzzz.... wrong..
You wrote --
"This is plainly not the case. Rule 25(b)(2) allows a trial judge, to
_reduce_ the verdict, but not to overturn it."
Buzzzzz.... wrong..
You wrote --
"If the defence had asked Zobel to deliver his ruling wearing eyeshadow
and pink polka dot pyjamas, suspended upside down from Air Force
One at 100 ft ASL, would LDB think that Rule 25[b][2] 'empowered'"
him to comply ?
Buzzzzz.... wrong..
You wrote --
"ROTFLMAO !!!! Did you get that in your copy of _Law for Dummies_ ?
Because a judge denies a motion, it means that he was 'empowered'
to grant it ?
Oh Lord, this is _delicious_ !!! This is _wonderful_ !!!
You idiot ... you crass, classless, profoundly dense man. Oh, I
can't stop laughing ...
Buzzzzz.... wrong... and I can't stop laughing, you crass, clueless,
classless, profoundly dense, evil little man.
And I wrote -- "Before you began slapping each other on the back in
congratulations, I think you should read my reply to your other post.
In it you will find that Judge Zobel COULD have approved a motion
which would have entered a finding of Not Guilty."
And you replied hysterically -- "Before you start making a fool of
yourself ... oops, too late ... you might like to consider what everyone
has been trying to tell you for nigh on 48 hours now, i.e. that the
ruling shows no such thing. All it shows is that the defence _asked_
Judge 'Sobel' (sic) to do that. Rule 25[b][2] doesn't allow this, and
so he had to deny the ruling."
Buzzzz... wrong. And look who made a fool of themselves.
You wrote --
"his 'come-and-spank-me' inability to digest and analyse legal
texts and decisions ... his belief that Rule 25[b][2] (which he hadn't
even _heard of_, until JPB and I gave him a 'heads-up') gave Judge Zobel
the power to overturn the second degree murder conviction, handed down in
the Commonwealth v. Woodward case."
Buzzzzz... wrong. And look who said 'come-and-spank-me.'
You wrote --
"In, fact, the beautiful 'double-whammy' that I dealt you last night, was
that I pre-empted you with Judge Zobel's ruling, and that said ruling
shows that Rule 25[b][2] only allows a judge to reduce a murder conviction
to a lesser offence."
Buzzzzz.... wrong. The 'double-whammy' backfired.
AND OOOPSSSS... here comes the 'kicker' from desi --
You crawled out of your cockroach existence and admitted --
"Based on my original reading of Rule 25[b][2], I stated that Judge Zobel
could not have overturned the guilty verdict, and that the only option
open to him, was to reduce the verdict of second degree murder, to a
lesser charge, namely that of manslaughter.
Upon further investigation, however, it would appear that he was, in
fact, authorised to both reduce the verdict, and (if necessary) quash
it completely. An e-mail that I received last night, from the Massachusetts
Bar Association, would appear to confirm this view."
Buzzzz..... desi is now unmasked for the legal illiterate he is. All
those insults gone to waste, as desi realizes he has been talking
through his ass.
And let's look at only a few more of desi's 'famous' blunders --
A) "I fear that retentionists like Richard really believe that abolitionists want
no punishments at all, for criminals."
B) "I personally shrink from the entire doctrine of 'punishment' as a tool of
crime prevention."
"(where x is the number of posts I've directed at PV, times pi, divided by
the radian of the Paris Big Wheel, add 62.5, and take away the number
I first thought of)"
A "Why not just shut down all of the nation's death rows, and
commute all of the sentences to life ?"
B) "I have stated that I am not in favour of life imprisonment without parole"
A) "Personally, the guards would have a job holding me down, as the litres
of excreta that would be covering my legs, would make it difficult for them
to grab a hold of me"
B) "I have personally never felt the terror of imminent death, yet I do not fear
death."
A) "the truth is that Osamo bin-Laden had absolutely nothing to do with the
events of 11 September"
B) "Mr bin Laden is apparently seen confirming that none of the terrorists
knew what was about to happen until they got onto the aircraft"
A) "The owner of one of our favourite restaurants where we used to live,
before Drewl had it firebombed, was beaten to death in 1998."
B) "Eh ? What are you talking about ? The firebombing ? I did _not_
claim that Drewl was responsible for that."
"I also speak fluent German and Hebrew."
Gee, and I was just getting started.
> > One result -- Jürgen having used the term.
>
> It won't work, LDB. You advocated a contract killing being placed on
> me, and now you must be wishing that you could go back in time, and
> never make that idiotic incitement to murder. But you made it, and
> it will stay with you for the rest of your time on usenet.
>
Oh... gee... you think so? As long as you are stupid enough to
presume that 'contract' means 'contract killing,' I don't think I have
much to worry about. You never have been able to parse a
sentence properly. Shit... don't forget to check your food before
eating... because if ANYONE would put out a 'contract' on you, it
would certainly be 'the One.' Keep sharp knives away from her.
I can't wait until you 'bring it up again.' And I certainly don't wish to
take back one word of it... because if the shit you post here, ever
got to a motorcycle group such as Hell's Angels, the Bandidos or
the Outlaws, you would probably be put into a 'world of hurt,' having
so 'courageously' posted a false address.
> { snip remainder of LDB begging to be left alone }
>
Actually... you're my favorite plaything, desi. I don't know how I'd fill
my days if I didn't have you to kick around. Any chance you can
'explain' that Universal 'right to life,' thing? Or how you don't have
to 'prove' that the DP doesn't deter? ROTFLMAO... you egomaniac.
PV
>
> [1]
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Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
> > And you wonder why I despise you.
> >
> What I 'wonder' about, Peter... is how you could be so vicious.
Such as expressing the hope that an innocent person would be murdered?
Oh wait a moment, it wasn't me that did that, it was you, little man.
How pathetic you are.
Peter Morris
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
> said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
No, we noted that you hoped that people might "put out a contract
on desi." Never did we accuse you of saying "contract killing" How just
like you to change the words used, then claim the altered version is a
lie.
> > 'they might even put out a contract on desi.' [1]
> >
> That is quite a different story. And I have already replied to that to
> Peter... who expects to become one of your apostles of evil.
Just because I said Desmond is your intellectual superior doesn't mean I
think he's particularly smart - just more intelligent than you are.
Hell, lets face it. Even Don Kool is more intelligent than you are.
> As I told Peter, you too are trying to shove 10 pounds of shit into a
> 5 pound bag. Perhaps you don't recognize the word 'they.' Everyone
> realizes that motorcycle gangs, and the mafia are not your common
> law-abiding citizen. I did not express the 'hope' that it would happen,
> merely the possibility that it could happen, when one runs with the
> 'wrong crowd.' Nor did I use the word 'killing.' They could well put
> out a contract to put a 'great hurt' on you, for your words. As usual,
> you tend to distort my words.
No, my friend, it is YOU who try to distort your words. You hoped
"they might even put out a contract on desi." Those were your EXACT
words, and we quoted them EXACTLY. You are now trying to backtrack,
and claim the words mean something other than what they say.
> > ... you are now going to claim that because you did not say, 'contract
> > killing', you somehow 'didn't mean' that. Just as your now infamous
> > 'quote' (sic) ...
>
> Of course YOU can imagine what you will. But the FACT is that
> I did not say 'contract killing.' For all it's worth, it might be a
> 'contract' to buy your bike. If you are going to accuse me of something,
> get the words right.
The words were << Since he is also a contributor
to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
>>
In fact, you expressed a hope that Desmond might be murdered.
Look, PV, why dont you just apologise for what you said? Why can't
you just admit it was a stupid and vile remark to make? Your attempts to
claim you never said it dont fool anyone. All they do is make you seem
ever more foolish.
dirtdog
Beardy, when did you turn into a fourteen year old schoolgirl?
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:33:21 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:57:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>>> > Let us quote his EXACT words to him.
>
>>> >> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
>>> >> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi. >>
>
>>> Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
>>> because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
>>> advocating the contract killing of another poster.
>
>> ROTFLMAO --
>>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=contract%20killing&safe=images&ie=
UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.activism.death-pen
>>
>alty&as_uauthors=Planet&lr=&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=10&as_miny=2002&a
s_maxd=4&as_maxm=11&as_maxy=2002&hl=en
>
>'Your search - "contract killing" group:alt.activism.death-pen -
>did not match any documents.'
>
>What a moron you are, LDB. A lying moron, even, for whilst you certainly
>said ...
>
> 'they might even put out a contract on desi.' [1]
>
>... you are now going to claim that because you did not say, 'contract
>killing', you somehow 'didn't mean' that. Just as your now infamous
>'quote' (sic) ...
>
> 'Of course he WAS [sic] found guilty in a civil court' [2]
>
>... you didn't 'really mean "convicted"'. Coming from someone who
>has said that it is not necessary to make an anti-Semitic statement,
>in order to be considered an anti-Semite, this is laughable.
>
>ROTFLMAO.
>
>> One result -- Jürgen having used the term.
>
>It won't work, LDB. You advocated a contract killing being placed on
>me, and now you must be wishing that you could go back in time, and
>never make that idiotic incitement to murder. But you made it, and
>it will stay with you for the rest of your time on usenet.
>
>{ snip remainder of LDB begging to be left alone }
>
>
>[1]
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>[2]
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F-8&selm=C4%2579.335449%24XH.7441899%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Peter Morris
"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
news:1ctgsusql916mlbdu...@4ax.com...
>
> Beardy, when did you turn into a fourteen year old schoolgirl?
What makes you think I have a beard?
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<no...@m.please> wrote:
We _all_ know you have a beard, Peter. Why else would we call you "Ol'
Beardy Morris".
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:aq9hsa$ear$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
>
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> news:joMx9.127361$r7.23...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> > Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
> > said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
>
> No, we noted that you hoped that people might "put out a contract
> on desi." Never did we accuse you of saying "contract killing" How just
> like you to change the words used, then claim the altered version is a
> lie.
>
"Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
advocating the contract killing of another poster."
And quite clearly YOU implied 'contract killing' in your words --
"You, a deathie, have expressed hope that an innocent person will be
murdered."
You really need to find a new 'friend,' peter.. desi has a habit of
dragging others down with him.
> > > 'they might even put out a contract on desi.' [1]
> > >
> > That is quite a different story. And I have already replied to that to
> > Peter... who expects to become one of your apostles of evil.
>
> Just because I said Desmond is your intellectual superior doesn't mean I
> think he's particularly smart - just more intelligent than you are.
>
> Hell, lets face it. Even Don Kool is more intelligent than you are.
>
Nasty... very nasty... you should realize you are so upset because
I have ground you to a logical pulp so often. Motive, peter... always
look to the motive.
> > As I told Peter, you too are trying to shove 10 pounds of shit into a
> > 5 pound bag. Perhaps you don't recognize the word 'they.' Everyone
> > realizes that motorcycle gangs, and the mafia are not your common
> > law-abiding citizen. I did not express the 'hope' that it would happen,
> > merely the possibility that it could happen, when one runs with the
> > 'wrong crowd.' Nor did I use the word 'killing.' They could well put
> > out a contract to put a 'great hurt' on you, for your words. As usual,
> > you tend to distort my words.
>
> No, my friend, it is YOU who try to distort your words. You hoped
> "they might even put out a contract on desi." Those were your EXACT
> words, and we quoted them EXACTLY. You are now trying to backtrack,
> and claim the words mean something other than what they say.
>
Now WHO is lying? You will not find the word 'hope,' nor even an
implication of 'hope,' in words that say -- 'they might.' The U.S.
'might' invade Iraq... but I am on record as opposing any such action.
Do not imply that 'might' means 'hope.' An escaped murderer 'might'
murder again... but I certainly do not 'hope' for that to happen.
>
> > > ... you are now going to claim that because you did not say, 'contract
> > > killing', you somehow 'didn't mean' that. Just as your now infamous
> > > 'quote' (sic) ...
> >
> > Of course YOU can imagine what you will. But the FACT is that
> > I did not say 'contract killing.' For all it's worth, it might be a
> > 'contract' to buy your bike. If you are going to accuse me of something,
> > get the words right.
>
> The words were << Since he is also a contributor
> to uk.rec.motorcycles, where he presents an entirely different
> persona, perhaps THEY should enjoy the blessings of his words.
> Just a thought. And who knows, we might even get a few of them
> to join in here. Or... they might even put out a contract on desi.
> >>
>
> In fact, you expressed a hope that Desmond might be murdered.
>
In fact... it is simply that 10 pounds of shit you are trying to shove into
that 5 pound bag.
> Look, PV, why dont you just apologise for what you said? Why can't
> you just admit it was a stupid and vile remark to make? Your attempts to
> claim you never said it dont fool anyone. All they do is make you seem
> ever more foolish.
Clearly I have NOTHING to apologize for. If I DID apologize (which I
certainly will not), it would be an admission that I DID 'hope' for a
motorcycle gang to murder desi. Certainly, that is a stupid assumption
on both your part and desi's part... wishing to CHANGE the meaning of
my words. I will not apologize for YOU trying to change my meaning.
Since no words called 'hope' or 'killing' or 'murder,' appeared ANYWHERE
in my comment... but you would try to PUT them there. That means
YOU should apologize for the stupid and vile deception you are trying
to perpetrate on this group. Clearly, everyone EXPECTS it from desi...
YOU, however, should know better.
Now, about that 'trade.' How many TRUE murderers lives would you
'trade' and 'save' in exchange for one new innocent victim?
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Peter Morris" <no...@m.please> wrote in message news:aq97nl$46b$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
<sigh>... I see you've joined the AADP 'axis of evil.' desi, dirt and peter.
I had better hopes for you, peter. But, like the others, you seem to enjoy
engaging in lies. Clearly, I used the word 'contract' by itself, which could
mean a multitude of things. Nor did I express any 'hope.' None of that
exists in my comment. That you expect to 'translate' it into YOUR
meaning... simply demonstrates where YOUR mind dwells.
Now about that 'trade.' How many TRUE murderers would you prefer
NOT be executed, if one of them was certain to murder another new
innocent if not executed? It seems we have already found that value
to be at least 200, in your view, which is a recidivist rate of 0.5%.
Could you possibly confirm how many TRUE murderers lives you would
be willing to 'save,' knowing that among them, one will murder a new
innocent? How about 100? Suppose we know that if we do not
execute a group of 100 TRUE murderers, one of them will murder
a new innocent. Are you willing to 'trade' the life of that new innocent,
to 'save' the lives of 100 TRUE murderers? I'm just trying to get a
handle on what 'number' meets your particular 'moral' code. Suppose
you're the Governor and can commute the DP of 100 TRUE murderers,
but doing so means that one of them will later murder an innocent.
Would you commute the sentences of them all?
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:18mbqa...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:03:11 GMT, dans l'article <33by9.238438$S8.44...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
> >> > Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
> >> > said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
>
> >> No, we noted that you hoped that people might "put out a contract
> >> on desi." Never did we accuse you of saying "contract killing" How just
> >> like you to change the words used, then claim the altered version is a
> >> lie.
>
> > Hello... desi certainly DID say 'contract killing.' His words in this thread --
> > "Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
> > because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
> > advocating the contract killing of another poster."
>
>
>
url:url:http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=cbb26c253835af7f&seekm=ubLv9.79686%24r7.159326
1%40twister.tampabay.rr.com#link1
Why, thank you, desi. How very accommodating of you to provide a link
to the very post that proves you are a liar. Since the words were -
"Or... they might even put out a contract on desi."
>
> You are now obviously wishing that you had never advocated the murder of
> another poster, but you did, and nothing you can do will _ever_ change
> that.
>
As I never did advocate the murder of another poster (although I
believe that 'the One,' might have it in her mind, if she actually
has to 'live with you'), I have nothing to wish about.
> { snip LDB being 'grown a new "asshole" [sic]' thanks to Peter }
GIMMICK # 8 -- more of desi's 'mindless drivel,' while actually trying
to suck up to peter. Rest easy, desi... you have apparently sucked
him into your warped little world. The AADP 'axis of evil.'
PV
dirtdog
You sound beardy and you are a programmer.
You must, therefore, have a beard. The said beard must also contain
various crusted pieces of breakfast cerial.
It will therefore follow that you wear cords. Big thick chunky fucking
cords. You also wear a woolly jumper with leather patches on the
elbows. And sandals. And white socks.
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:113cqa...@lievre.voute.net...
> le Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:47:34 GMT, dans l'article <W5gy9.241200$S8.44...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Which you did, as this post proves ...
> >>
> >
url:url:http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=cbb26c253835af7f&seekm=ubLv9.79686%24r7.159326
> > 1%40twister.tampabay.rr.com#link1
>
> which no one believes }
>
Actually, desi... we have become quite familar with you trying to
CHANGE the meaning of words, and comments, as with the insults
you provide to all Arabs, Blacks, and your pathetic attempts with
O.J. Simpson to twist my words. I certainly don't need to 'defend'
myself, in respect to NOT saying what you imply I've said. Since I
did not say it... and you know it. When you see the words 'hope'
or 'killing' or 'murder,' in the phrase "Or... they might even put out a
contract on desi," please let me know. Until then, you're simply
recognized as becoming hysterical again, trying to 'prove' that which
doesn't exist, as in your 'proof' of a Universal 'right to life.'
The bitch slappings you've received here lately, seem to have
affected your ability to comprehend English.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:30:24 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Morris"
> <no...@m.please> wrote:
> >"dirtdog" <dir...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
> >news:1ctgsusql916mlbdu...@4ax.com...
> >> Beardy, when did you turn into a fourteen year old schoolgirl?
> >
> >What makes you think I have a beard?
> You sound beardy and you are a programmer.
He's a programmer. He _must_ have a beard. It's axiomatic.
> You must, therefore, have a beard. The said beard must also contain
> various crusted pieces of breakfast cerial.
That's "cereal", you twonk.
> It will therefore follow that you wear cords. Big thick chunky fucking
> cords. You also wear a woolly jumper with leather patches on the
> elbows. And sandals. And white socks.
I'd have you killed for suggesting less awful things about _me_.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:37:19 +0000
>
>le Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:03:11 GMT, dans l'article
><33by9.238437$S8.44...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Oh wait a moment, it wasn't me that did that, it was you, little man.
>>> How pathetic you are.
>
>> <sigh>... I see you've joined the AADP 'axis of evil.' desi, dirt and
>peter.
>
>LDB's not having it easy ... but then again, when he openly advocates
>murder ... well, what does he expect ?
>
>{ snip LDB physically weeping with rage at being caught out }
>
>--
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:53:37 +0000
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>le Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:47:34 GMT, dans l'article
><W5gy9.241200$S8.44...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Which you did, as this post proves ...
>>>
>>
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>> 1%40twister.tampabay.rr.com#link1
>
>{ snip LDB trying to claim that 'contract' didn't mean 'contract killing',
> which no one believes }
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:15:29 +0000
>
>le Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:03:11 GMT, dans l'article
><33by9.238438$S8.44...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>> > Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
>>> > said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
>
>>> No, we noted that you hoped that people might "put out a contract
>>> on desi." Never did we accuse you of saying "contract killing" How just
>>> like you to change the words used, then claim the altered version is a
>>> lie.
>
>> Hello... desi certainly DID say 'contract killing.' His words in this
>thread --
>> "Indeed, and let no one ever forget that the maniac who calls me 'evil'
>> because I tweak his nose about his terror of death, is on record as
>> advocating the contract killing of another poster."
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>Which you did, as this post proves ...
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>You are now obviously wishing that you had never advocated the murder of
>another poster, but you did, and nothing you can do will _ever_ change
>that.
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: A question for Dr Dolly Couglan
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:33:48 +0000
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>Le Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:49:01 +0000 (UTC), Peter Morris <no...@m.please> a
>écrit :
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>>> Actually, all that is just rubbish, having demonstrated that I NEVER
>>> said 'contract killing,' which is what you ACCUSED me of.
>
>> No, we noted that you hoped that people might "put out a contract
>> on desi." Never did we accuse you of saying "contract killing" How just
>> like you to change the words used, then claim the altered version is a
>> lie.
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>cf. 'big terms' [1] and O.J. Simpson's 'conviction for murder in a civil
>court' [2].
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>{ snip }
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>[2]
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F-8&selm=C4%2579.335449%24XH.7441899%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
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