NEW YORK:
From Rochester, NY 383 south to Mumford, NY 36 south to Leicester, NY 39
west to Castile, NY 19A south to Fillmore, NY 19 south to Belfast, NY 305
south to the PA line.
PENNSYLVANIA:
PA 446 south to Farmers Valley, PA 46 south to Smethport, US 6 west to Lantz
Corners, US 219 south to DuBois.
-Lots of trucks on US 219, not surprisingly. Around Ridgway, northbound
trucks have to take a bypass to PA 120 before entering town.
-In PA, as in NY, Brockport is northwest of Penfield, and not too far away.
-It seems PennDOT often forgets to erect municipality markers at city lines,
except on limited-access highway. Why?
US 119 south to Indiana.
-One of several quick, heavy thundershowers caught us in Punxsutawney, which
has some statues of Phil but is not as groundhog-oriented at first glance as
one might expect.
PA 286 west to Saltsburg.
-I was surprised not to find PA 56 at Edgewood...it had been moved over onto
the US 422 freeway between Homer City and Shelocta; when? Old PA 56 had
Little White Signs recently altered to read 3056.
PA 380 west to North Washington, PA 780 west to New Kensington.
-These two routes are surely spurs from an old PA 80. Does PA 80 still exist
or was it renumbered to accommodate I-80?
PA 56 east to Lower Burrell, PA 366 west to Tarrentum, PA 28 south to Harmar
Twp., PA 910 west to Indiana Twp., Yellow Belt CCW to Mount Nebo.
-I like the Belt system! Very thoroughly signed. I had been agonizing over
the best route to the far side of Pittsburgh, so I could approach the city
correctly. :-)
I-79 south to I-279 east to Pittsburgh.
-One lane each direction on I-79 seemingly forever, although traffic moved
well. Exits all renumbered, with "Old Exit xx" panels below the main signs.
Of course I took the dramatic approach through the Fort Pitt Tunnel and
Bridge...very impressive! I also immediately realized why Allegheny County
deserves its own web site on bridges and tunnels. I did not, however,
experience unexplained slowdowns through the Squirrel Hill Tunnel...traffic
moved well despite "Maintain Speed Through Tunnel" signs. I'm not sure what
my opinion is of those yellow, BurmaShave-style motivational signs along the
freeways.
-It seemed the entire city of Pittsburgh is under reconstruction at this
time, what with Three Rivers Stadium being dismantled, Fort Duquesne Blvd.
(pron.?) being closed, detours for I-376 to Oakland, and numerous other
highway projects. And what the heck happened to the convention center? It's
in rubble but it kind of looks like a mistake.
-After getting lost inside the city while trying to follow riverside roads
to view a second cool thunderstorm, and getting mixed up by trying to turn
from Allegheny Ave. to Ridge Ave. and ending up on the Fort Duquesne Bridge,
and dining at Gullifty's in the east part of town, we pressed on.
I-279 west to I-79 south to I-70 west to Washington.
-Stayed a night in Washington, partially encouraged by a third downpour.
I-70 seems to be elevated over the whole city. Freeway directional signs
usually say Washington Pa, even right outside of town, to distinguish from
the Capital.
Next day, US 40 east to US 19 south to the WV line.
-US 19 is really a minor road south of Washington. It certainly doesn't need
to be much more than it is with I-79 nearby, but it's surprising what passes
for a US highway in this area. Lots of little road work projects, though,
most employing flaggers.
WEST VIRGINIA:
My second visit to this state, and first during daylight hours and
not-on-the-freeway-except-to-stop-for-gas!
US 19 south to Fairmont.
-Oh boy! Secondary state routes, both interger and fractional, and county
routes all well-signed on junction blades.
-Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
US 250 west to Wheeling.
-Boy, I though US 19 was a low-capacity road for a US highway; US 250 is
incredible! Endless series of 25 mph turns, steep grades, and tiny villages.
But absolutely beautiful scenery, especially throughout Marshall County.
-Took a detour on some secondary road to view the Palace of Gold, which
turned out to be a Hindu temple and retreat. Although it would have made an
unusual sign, there was none to warn us of the peacock crossing the road
just there!
-The US 250/WV 2 freeway (and that term is used on signs) is pretty
interesting.
WV 2 north to US 40 east to I-70 west out of Wheeling.
-I wanted to see the Wheeling Tunnel, so I did. Signage error: on WV 2 at US
40, where several signs point left for US 40 west while US 40 continues
straight, there is one critical assembly showing US 40 *east* turning left.
Luckily, I knew better! Fine old mansion in eastern Wheeling, and a
surprisingly vibrant downtown.
OHIO:
I-70 west to Hendrysburg, OH 800 north to Canton.
-Southeastern Ohio is very beautiful, surprisingly to many folks I am sure.
Even I-70 has some glorious vistas. Township lines are not marked most of
the time. The US 250/OH 800 freeway between Uhrichsville and New
Philadelphia is a work in progress. Ohio has a complicated speed limit on
freeways.
-Canton seems a very bland, deserted city. Plus it boasts the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, which has less draw for me personally than the Paperweight
Museum we passed in W.V.
I-77 north to Cleveland...well, almost:
-Alt I-76 is posted between I-277 and OH 21, due to road work of some kind.
-Traffic jam on I-77 just north of I-480 (of course, not until after you
pass the exit to I-480 do you notice there's a problem!). Analysis of the
denizens of the jam quickly revealed that an N'Sync concert was to take
place downtown. After enduring three or four miles of the jam, I turned
around and headed east on I-480.
I-480 east to US 422 east to I-271 north to I-90 west to OH 2 east to OH 44
north.
-Messed around Grand River and Fairport Harbor for a while, then dined in
Mentor. Blundered my way onto I-90 because there is no entrance to, or
mention of, OH 44 from US 20 in Painesville.
I-90 east.
PENNSYLVANIA:
I-90 east.
-Roadwork between I-86 and the NY line. Also, line painting projects, with
signs warning "No Pavement Markings", although this was not true.
NEW YORK:
I-90 east to I-390 north to Rochester.
-Serious work underway on I-90 through Buffalo. Looks like a total rebuild.
-Sleep!
PennDOT also forgets to finish highways and patch large holes, so what else
is new.
> US 119 south to Indiana.
>
> -One of several quick, heavy thundershowers caught us in Punxsutawney,
which
> has some statues of Phil but is not as groundhog-oriented at first glance
as
> one might expect.
Definately nothing like the movie portrays, wouldn't you agree?
> PA 286 west to Saltsburg.
>
> -I was surprised not to find PA 56 at Edgewood...it had been moved over
onto
> the US 422 freeway between Homer City and Shelocta; when? Old PA 56 had
> Little White Signs recently altered to read 3056.
That happened back in the mid-1990s when US 422's expressway was completed
to form a southern by-pass of Indiana.
> PA 380 west to North Washington, PA 780 west to New Kensington.
>
> -These two routes are surely spurs from an old PA 80. Does PA 80 still
exist
> or was it renumbered to accommodate I-80?
Renumbered PA 380 and PA 286 long ago.
> PA 56 east to Lower Burrell, PA 366 west to Tarrentum, PA 28 south to
Harmar
> Twp., PA 910 west to Indiana Twp., Yellow Belt CCW to Mount Nebo.
>
> -I like the Belt system! Very thoroughly signed. I had been agonizing over
> the best route to the far side of Pittsburgh, so I could approach the city
> correctly. :-)
Just like in a tactical strike, there is no easy approach.
> I-79 south to I-279 east to Pittsburgh.
>
> -One lane each direction on I-79 seemingly forever, although traffic moved
> well. Exits all renumbered, with "Old Exit xx" panels below the main
signs.
> Of course I took the dramatic approach through the Fort Pitt Tunnel and
> Bridge...very impressive!
Could have saved gas and just gone here
http://www.pahighways.com/IHwys/I279.html to see the view.
> I also immediately realized why Allegheny County
> deserves its own web site on bridges and tunnels. I did not, however,
> experience unexplained slowdowns through the Squirrel Hill
Tunnel...traffic
> moved well despite "Maintain Speed Through Tunnel" signs.
Ha! You must not have been through there between 7 and 9 AM or 4 and 6 PM.
It really earns the name "Parkway" then.
> I'm not sure what
> my opinion is of those yellow, BurmaShave-style motivational signs along
the
> freeways.
There are yellow, Burma-Shave-like signs along the expressways? I never
noticed :-).
> -It seemed the entire city of Pittsburgh is under reconstruction at this
> time, what with Three Rivers Stadium being dismantled, Fort Duquesne Blvd.
> (pron.?) being closed, detours for I-376 to Oakland, and numerous other
> highway projects.
It is pronounced Dew-cane. Also the rebuilding of Fort Pitt Boulevard is
scheduled to begin soon, plus the Boulevard of the Allies reconstruction is
taking place currently.
> And what the heck happened to the convention center? It's
> in rubble but it kind of looks like a mistake.
Also a part of the grand rebuilding of Pittsburgh. Along with the new
stadiums, we also get a new convention center.
--
Jeff Kitsko
Pennsylvania Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/
Pittsburgh Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/pghhwys/
Philadelphia Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/phlhwys/
> -Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
It's not a monorail, but instead some sort of driverless "guided rail"
vehicle. It's a "people mover," used primarily to shuttle students between
the campuses of WVU. I rode it on a slow summer afternoon about ten years
ago; cost a quarter for outsiders, I think. Whether it is up to the task of
carrying hundreds of students from remote dormitories to central campus
classrooms at 7:30a in the middle of winter, I couldn't tell you.
> US 250 west to Wheeling. I thought US 19 was a low-capacity road for a US
highway; US 250 is
> incredible! Endless series of 25 mph turns, steep grades, and tiny
villages.
The worst US highway I've ever traveled; the equivalent of a Missouri Ozarks
state supplemental ("lettered") highway.
> -The US 250/WV 2 freeway (and that term is used on signs) is pretty
interesting.
I was shocked by the seemingly endless blocks of empty rotting "Third
Republic" style buildings. What a waste.
> -Canton seems a very bland, deserted city.
A poster child for the Rust Belt.
A very interesting trip report. Thanks!
Mark Stauter
University of Missouri-Rolla
msta...@umr.edu
"N.W.Perry" wrote:
>
<snip>
> -I like the Belt system! Very thoroughly signed. I had been agonizing over
> the best route to the far side of Pittsburgh, so I could approach the city
> correctly. :-)
It could be one of the best, most reliable things about driving here.
It's hard to get lost in Allegheny County. In time you'll find one of
the Belt Routes. Legend has it that they make the new public works
employees try to drive the Belts and a supervisor rides along to take
notes on where new signs need to be erected.
>
<snip>
> Of course I took the dramatic approach through the Fort Pitt Tunnel and
> Bridge...very impressive! I also immediately realized why Allegheny County
> deserves its own web site on bridges and tunnels.
And I thought it was just me... :-)
>
> -It seemed the entire city of Pittsburgh is under reconstruction at this
> time, what with Three Rivers Stadium being dismantled, Fort Duquesne Blvd.
> (pron.?) being closed, detours for I-376 to Oakland, and numerous other
> highway projects. And what the heck happened to the convention center? It's
> in rubble but it kind of looks like a mistake.
They're building an entirely new convention center and tearing down the
old one as the construction progresses. Although the "old" one had the
roof suspended from columns (sorta looked like a cable-stay config...),
the new one looks even more like traditional suspension bridge catenaries.
And Duquesne is "doo-cane."
--bruce
"http://pghbridges.com"
"N.W.Perry" wrote:
>
<snip>
> WV 2 north to US 40 east to I-70 west out of Wheeling.
>
> -I wanted to see the Wheeling Tunnel, so I did. Signage error: on WV 2 at US
> 40, where several signs point left for US 40 west while US 40 continues
> straight, there is one critical assembly showing US 40 *east* turning left.
> Luckily, I knew better! Fine old mansion in eastern Wheeling, and a
> surprisingly vibrant downtown.
>
Hopefully you saw the Wheeling Suspension Bridge! Drive across it each
way, then park on Wheeling Island and walk across. Don't tell anyone I
said this, but it rivals Pgh's Smithfield St Bridge.
--bruce
It's touch and go, I never really have been bothered by a lack of a
borough/village/township/city/municipality sign.
It also may be the PennDot District in SWPA, the signage is gerenally pretty
good.
>
> US 119 south to Indiana.
>
> -One of several quick, heavy thundershowers caught us in Punxsutawney,
which
> has some statues of Phil but is not as groundhog-oriented at first glance
as
> one might expect.
>
> PA 286 west to Saltsburg.
>
> -I was surprised not to find PA 56 at Edgewood...it had been moved over
onto
> the US 422 freeway between Homer City and Shelocta; when? Old PA 56 had
> Little White Signs recently altered to read 3056.
>
> PA 380 west to North Washington, PA 780 west to New Kensington.
>
> -These two routes are surely spurs from an old PA 80. Does PA 80 still
exist
> or was it renumbered to accommodate I-80?
PA 80 = PA 380
They are expanding/buildinga new convention centre comple with a 'T' Station
> -After getting lost inside the city while trying to follow riverside roads
> to view a second cool thunderstorm, and getting mixed up by trying to turn
> from Allegheny Ave. to Ridge Ave. and ending up on the Fort Duquesne
Bridge,
> and dining at Gullifty's in the east part of town, we pressed on.
>
> I-279 west to I-79 south to I-70 west to Washington.
>
> -Stayed a night in Washington, partially encouraged by a third downpour.
> I-70 seems to be elevated over the whole city. Freeway directional signs
> usually say Washington Pa, even right outside of town, to distinguish from
> the Capital.
Only Elvated part of I-70 is offer the Jefferson Avenue Area West of I-79.
Mainly because I-70 comes of a ridge and j Ave in in a Valley. The section
of I-70/79 is not elevated at all.
>
> Next day, US 40 east to US 19 south to the WV line.
>
> -US 19 is really a minor road south of Washington. It certainly doesn't
need
> to be much more than it is with I-79 nearby, but it's surprising what
passes
> for a US highway in this area. Lots of little road work projects, though,
> most employing flaggers.
>
Hey it was there first.
> WEST VIRGINIA:
> My second visit to this state, and first during daylight hours and
> not-on-the-freeway-except-to-stop-for-gas!
>
> US 19 south to Fairmont.
>
> -Oh boy! Secondary state routes, both interger and fractional, and county
> routes all well-signed on junction blades.
>
> -Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
The Personal Rapid Transit. Runs from Mountainer Stadium tothe heart of
campus. It has I believe 4 stops. I dated a gal from WVU so fortunately I
was able to ride for free.
>
> US 250 west to Wheeling.
>
> -Boy, I though US 19 was a low-capacity road for a US highway; US 250 is
> incredible! Endless series of 25 mph turns, steep grades, and tiny
villages.
> But absolutely beautiful scenery, especially throughout Marshall County.
>
> -Took a detour on some secondary road to view the Palace of Gold, which
> turned out to be a Hindu temple and retreat. Although it would have made
an
> unusual sign, there was none to warn us of the peacock crossing the road
> just there!
>
> -The US 250/WV 2 freeway (and that term is used on signs) is pretty
> interesting.
>
> WV 2 north to US 40 east to I-70 west out of Wheeling.
>
> -I wanted to see the Wheeling Tunnel, so I did. Signage error: on WV 2 at
US
> 40, where several signs point left for US 40 west while US 40 continues
> straight, there is one critical assembly showing US 40 *east* turning
left.
> Luckily, I knew better! Fine old mansion in eastern Wheeling, and a
> surprisingly vibrant downtown.
Heck there are still a lof of US 250 shields left in Wheeling
>
> OHIO:
> I-70 west to Hendrysburg, OH 800 north to Canton.
>
> -Southeastern Ohio is very beautiful, surprisingly to many folks I am
sure.
Not to me
> > -One of several quick, heavy thundershowers caught us in Punxsutawney,
> which
> > has some statues of Phil but is not as groundhog-oriented at first
glance
> as
> > one might expect.
>
> Definately nothing like the movie portrays, wouldn't you agree?
Definitely...was any of it even shot there?
> > -These two routes are surely spurs from an old PA 80. Does PA 80 still
> exist
> > or was it renumbered to accommodate I-80?
>
> Renumbered PA 380 and PA 286 long ago.
...and then not renumbered again when I-81E became I-380, huh?
>PENNSYLVANIA:
>PA 446 south to Farmers Valley, PA 46 south to Smethport, US 6 west to
Lantz
>Corners, US 219 south to DuBois.
>
>-Lots of trucks on US 219, not surprisingly. Around Ridgway, northbound
>trucks have to take a bypass to PA 120 before entering town.
It's because of a steep hill. Before the bypass was put in trucks had to
take a detour through St. Mary's. You had to take 948 to 255 to 120, back
to Ridgeway.
>-In PA, as in NY, Brockport is northwest of Penfield, and not too far away.
Brockway Glass has a plant in Brockport besides Brockway. (Did you get the
END PA 28 sign in Brockway?)
>-One lane each direction on I-79 seemingly forever, although traffic moved
>well. Exits all renumbered, with "Old Exit xx" panels below the main signs.
On the main roadway they are removing the bad concrete and putting down a
layer of blacktop. On the bridge decks, they are chopping off the bad
concrete and making the concrete thicker on the bridge decks and removing
the road bed before and after the bridges and making it level with the new
bridge decks.
>US 250 west to Wheeling.
>
>-Boy, I though US 19 was a low-capacity road for a US highway; US 250 is
>incredible! Endless series of 25 mph turns, steep grades, and tiny
villages.
>But absolutely beautiful scenery, especially throughout Marshall County.
It looks like a nice shortcut....on a map. You could have shot down to
Moundsville and saw the Indian Burial Ground and took a tour of the old
prison.
>-Took a detour on some secondary road to view the Palace of Gold, which
>turned out to be a Hindu temple and retreat. Although it would have made an
>unusual sign, there was none to warn us of the peacock crossing the road
>just there!
We went there a long time ago. I have pictures!!! (Does that surprise you
Adam or Bruce?)
That was a great road trip report. Enjoyed reading it and following along
in our mind.
John and Barb B.
No.
> > > -These two routes are surely spurs from an old PA 80. Does PA 80 still
> > exist
> > > or was it renumbered to accommodate I-80?
> >
> > Renumbered PA 380 and PA 286 long ago.
>
> ...and then not renumbered again when I-81E became I-380, huh?
By jov, I think he's got it.
Downtown Canton is nothing exciting, of course. But it does have
at least one hotel, which is one more than a better "poster child
for the Rust Belt," Youngstown.
On the other hand, I cannot share your enthusiasm for the belt
system around Pittsburgh. My experiences with the Blue and Green
belts have been frustrating, with crooked, two-lane streets and
frequent changes of direction. I seem to remember the Blue Belt
even taking me on a brick road somewhere in the Crafton-Ingram area.
Matt
> I'm home from a two-day roadtrip to points south and west...I must have
> driven too many hours without stopping because I only took one photo!
Here's
> the route, and what I remember being noteworthy:
>
> WEST VIRGINIA:
> US 19 south to Fairmont.
>
>
> -Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
It not a monorail, really, its called the Personal Rapid Transit, or PRT.
Its a driverless car (on 4 rubber tires) that draws power from a 3rd rail
type deal that is on the side of the car (not the bottom). The cars hold
about 12 sitting down or 30 or so standing.
West Virginia U, consists of two campuses, "downtown" and "Evansdale", plus
a separate medical/law school area and other assorted buildings here and
there. WVU does not allow freshmen to own cars and does not have any
parking for student anywhere in the downtown area. The idea was that you
pushed a button and a car would be dispatched that would take you to your
destination, skipping all the rest and that the system would have branches
and side lines. Never really worked well, and only the straight line part
was ever built. You see a "Evil Kenevil ghost ramp" near the WVU basketball
arena, that was supposed to be a branch. Now the cars just run in the
straight line from end to end and stop at all the stops (5 total stations).
Whole deal was funded by US DOT as a demonstration project in the early 70s.
The darn 3rd rail kept freezing up they rebuilt it about 6 years later,
still doesn't handle the morning school capacity and run empty the rest of
the time. Now it really just suplements the city bus system and a fleet of
yellow school buses for the college kids (how demeaning to ride a school bus
in college). Most kids just schedule all their classes on one campus one
semester, and the school will do things like teach freshman English in the
Med school building (thus transporting one teacher there rather than 100
students downtown). Most students sell their free passes to locals that
ride it for work in a kind of black market.
>
> -Took a detour on some secondary road to view the Palace of Gold, which
> turned out to be a Hindu temple and retreat. Although it would have made
an
> unusual sign, there was none to warn us of the peacock crossing the road
> just there.
These are the original airport begging Hare Krishnas. The Feds came through
in the late 80s and the guru is in jail (murder, welfare fraud and a huge
trade in knock off logo and trademarked apparel. Fallen on hard times
since.
>
SP Cook
From what I understand, I-90 through Buffalo is being widened to four lanes
in each direction. It's about time!
--
=Douglas Kerr (dke...@oswego.edu)=
http://www.gribblenation.com
a.k.a. Dougtone- AOL IM . ICQ#- 947029
"I never set out to be a businessman. I just wanted to have fun, bang chicks
and do drugs." - OZZY OSBOURNE explains his carefully crafted career plan.
Ah, my old stomping grounds.
> PENNSYLVANIA:
> PA 446 south to Farmers Valley, PA 46 south to Smethport, US 6 west to Lantz
> Corners, US 219 south to DuBois.
You also passed by the way to my old Scout Camp at Farmers Valley.
> -Lots of trucks on US 219, not surprisingly. Around Ridgway, northbound
> trucks have to take a bypass to PA 120 before entering town.
There are lots of climbing lanes on US 219 between Bradford and Lantz
Corners.
> -In PA, as in NY, Brockport is northwest of Penfield, and not too far away.
Imagine that.
> -It seems PennDOT often forgets to erect municipality markers at city lines,
> except on limited-access highway. Why?
Why are they always on the same side of the road?
> US 119 south to Indiana.
>
> -One of several quick, heavy thundershowers caught us in Punxsutawney, which
> has some statues of Phil but is not as groundhog-oriented at first glance as
> one might expect.
Did you keep reliving the same day over and over again?
.
.
.
> NEW YORK:
> I-90 east to I-390 north to Rochester.
>
> -Serious work underway on I-90 through Buffalo. Looks like a total rebuild.
Between NY 400 & I-190 the Thruway is being increased to 3 lanes in
each direction to alleviate Buffalo traffic congestion on the Thruway.
Jason L. Bennett
Oriskany, NY
--
When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire
Department usually uses water.
No...should I have?
>
> >-One lane each direction on I-79 seemingly forever, although traffic
moved
> >well. Exits all renumbered, with "Old Exit xx" panels below the main
signs.
>
> On the main roadway they are removing the bad concrete and putting down a
> layer of blacktop. On the bridge decks, they are chopping off the bad
> concrete and making the concrete thicker on the bridge decks and removing
> the road bed before and after the bridges and making it level with the new
> bridge decks.
Probably less annoying than whatever they're doing to PA 446 north of
Farmers Valley...repaving, actually, but not before filling the existing
concrete with lots of miniature potholes!
>
> >US 250 west to Wheeling.
> It looks like a nice shortcut....on a map. You could have shot down to
> Moundsville and saw the Indian Burial Ground and took a tour of the old
> prison.
Fortuantely, I never count on any road to be a shortcut...avoid it at all
costs, in fact!
> That was a great road trip report. Enjoyed reading it and following along
> in our mind.
Glad you enjoyed it, but can't help wondering if others are less than
impressed by the lack of minutiae regarding signage and stuff like that that
I just failed to remember!
> > -Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
>
> It not a monorail, really, its called the Personal Rapid Transit, or PRT.
> Its a driverless car (on 4 rubber tires) that draws power from a 3rd rail
> type deal that is on the side of the car (not the bottom). The cars hold
> about 12 sitting down or 30 or so standing.
I meant "monorail" in the loosest sense of the word; i.e., nothing to do
with having a single rail. This thing in Morgantown, though, had
interchanges! (Or, maybe I just say the ramp you describe below.)
>
> West Virginia U, consists of two campuses, "downtown" and "Evansdale",
plus
> a separate medical/law school area and other assorted buildings here and
> there. WVU does not allow freshmen to own cars and does not have any
> parking for student anywhere in the downtown area. The idea was that you
> pushed a button and a car would be dispatched that would take you to your
> destination, skipping all the rest and that the system would have branches
> and side lines. Never really worked well, and only the straight line part
> was ever built. You see a "Evil Kenevil ghost ramp" near the WVU
basketball
> arena, that was supposed to be a branch. Now the cars just run in the
> straight line from end to end and stop at all the stops (5 total
stations).
> These are the original airport begging Hare Krishnas. The Feds came
through
> in the late 80s and the guru is in jail (murder, welfare fraud and a huge
> trade in knock off logo and trademarked apparel. Fallen on hard times
> since.
Hmm...not from the looks of it. Everything seemed friendly and prosperous.
(I know, that's how they get you...)
I've noticed that too; they often skip a whole direction of travel.
> Did you keep reliving the same day over and over again?
Not until I got on the New York State Thruway.
> Between NY 400 & I-190 the Thruway is being increased to 3 lanes in
> each direction to alleviate Buffalo traffic congestion on the Thruway.
The lane split orange signage would have you believe that it's already so.
They seem to show two lanes shifting right, and one lane shifting left onto
the opposing roadway. In fact, there were two lanes shifted left and none
right.
yes you should have....
> Glad you enjoyed it, but can't help wondering if others are less than
> impressed by the lack of minutiae regarding signage and stuff like that
that
> I just failed to remember!
nah, but you did lack a report on Rax's and what kind of gas pump stickers
you found
>
>
or you could have seen the complex nature of the 'stations'...as SP said
some cars were meant to bypass stops....at the 'stations' there are tracks
that bypass the station and tracks leading into it.
I rode it four times...it's rather slow...and every time my ex-girlfriend
Kristi and I went on it...something seemed to go wrong.
Mark Stauter wrote:
>
> "N.W.Perry" <per...@frontiernet.net> wrote
>
> > -Morgantown has a funky little monorail thing going on. What's that?
>
> It's not a monorail, but instead some sort of driverless "guided rail"
> vehicle. It's a "people mover," used primarily to shuttle students between
> the campuses of WVU. I rode it on a slow summer afternoon about ten years
> ago; cost a quarter for outsiders, I think. Whether it is up to the task of
> carrying hundreds of students from remote dormitories to central campus
> classrooms at 7:30a in the middle of winter, I couldn't tell you.
>
It's the remains of the infamous Pittsburgh Skybus system. When they
couldn't get it built here, they took the same technology to WVU.
--bruce
Now that I think of it, there are ones on the rebuilt section of US 30 near
the "auto mile" east of Greensburg. One for my township, Unity, heading
eastbound and one for Hempfield heading westbound.
Doo-KANE.
> -Canton seems a very bland, deserted city. Plus it boasts the Pro Football
> Hall of Fame, which has less draw for me personally than the Paperweight
> Museum we passed in W.V.
It can't be as woebegone as Youngstown ... or can it?
--
Peter Rosa
pros...@yahoo.com
R32...@aol.com
Well, I passed one Rax, in Wheeling I'm pretty sure...I remembered my
experience with the place at the Commodore Perry Service Plaza on the Ohio
Turnpike...I hope they don't *all* smell and taste like nursing home food!
I thought I was seeing cheap gas in Morgantown at $1.459, but then I bested
it in metro Cleveland with $1.349 ($1.289 if you count 86 octane at a
Sunoco). Premium-brand cigarettes were at the amzaingly low price of $2.53
in W.Va., something that hasn't been seen in NYS since I was about a junior
in high school!
> most rapid high-school football fans there are and the most NFL
So are they unusual Ohio drivers in that they drive real fast?
> even taking me on a brick road somewhere in the Crafton-Ingram area.
Was it yellow? Did you see the scarecrow directional sign on that
one corner? I hope you didn't turn Toto into roadkill.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
Bruce in Blacksburg
--
Bruce B. Harper
bharper at vt.edu
Blacksburg, Virginia
Because *I* didn't get it......"yet".... ;-)
Barb B.
We welcome Mr. Obvious to m.t.r. tonight.
Mr. Obvious: "Easy go visit http://www.gribblenation.com/paends/state/ , and
tell me what ya see?"
Nathan, it's a needed photo for the PA Ends Project =)
For WDVE Pittsburgh people:
Hmm...I never made the connection...boy is my face red.
Barb B.
[Snip beginning -- interesting, but others' comments have covered it
well]
[Ohio]
> I-77 north to Cleveland...well, almost:
>
> -Alt I-76 is posted between I-277 and OH 21, due to road work of some kind.
Actually, the road work is long over, I believe, and the signs are
remnants.
(For the curious, photos are about halfway down
http://www.roadfan.com/akrrd.html )
> -Traffic jam on I-77 just north of I-480 (of course, not until after you
> pass the exit to I-480 do you notice there's a problem!). Analysis of the
> denizens of the jam quickly revealed that an N'Sync concert was to take
> place downtown.
AND a Michael Flatley performance AND Cleveland Indians vs. Minnesota
Twins baseball (first-place battle), all amongst inclement weather.
Great timing! ;)
> -Messed around Grand River and Fairport Harbor for a while,
Any reason in particular?
> then dined in Mentor. Blundered my way onto I-90 because there is no entrance > to, or mention of, OH 44 from US 20 in Painesville.
Actually, there is an entrance to 44 NB from 20 (Mentor Avenue) --
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=2&X=596&Y=5771&Z=17&W=1
but it's well-disguised since there's only a [TO][2][up-right-arrow]
assembly there. (I allude to this in the "Now what?!" entry on
http://www.roadfan.com/neohsign.html , the sixth one after the new
section.) Do you remember how you finally got back?
Sheesh, two m.t.r visitors to Mentor at the same time, and I'm
clueless!
________________________________________________________________________
Marc Fannin | musx...@kent.edu or @hotmail.com |
http://www.roadfan.com/
REPEAT,
FT. PITT. BLVD MIGHT SHUT DOWN IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
Chris Katella
(Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)
Chris K
> > -Messed around Grand River and Fairport Harbor for a while,
>
> Any reason in particular?
Lighthouse-geeking.
>
> > then dined in Mentor. Blundered my way onto I-90 because there is no
entrance > to, or mention of, OH 44 from US 20 in Painesville.
>
> Actually, there is an entrance to 44 NB from 20 (Mentor Avenue) --
>
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=2&X=596&Y=5771&Z=17&
W=1
> but it's well-disguised since there's only a [TO][2][up-right-arrow]
> assembly there. (I allude to this in the "Now what?!" entry on
> http://www.roadfan.com/neohsign.html , the sixth one after the new
> section.) Do you remember how you finally got back?
Let's see, I went down a road that turned into OH 608, then found a local
street that paralleled I-90...followed that a short distance west to OH 44.
>
> Sheesh, two m.t.r visitors to Mentor at the same time, and I'm
> clueless!
Frankly, I didn't mean to be there that long. I was impressed by the
extraordinarily fancy McDonald's in Painesville.
(Hopefully the link will work since the server has been screwy lately.)
Last week a pair of emergency warning signs "BUMP 15mph" were installed
on the eastbound Ft Pitt Blvd at Wood St. I haven't looked at the
underside of the viaduct yet...but from the road surface there is a
large heave that has developed suddenly. The structure has been posted 8
ton weight limit for some time now. And has been getting pounded due to
the detours from other projects. It looks like something may have broken underneath.
--bruce
> "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote in message...
>
> > [N.W. Perry wrote:]
> >
> > > -Messed around Grand River and Fairport Harbor for a while,
> >
> > Any reason in particular?
>
> Lighthouse-geeking.
Great place for it.... (They recently found a cat mummy in the
Fairport lighthouse -- contact me off-line if you wanna know more)
> > > then dined in Mentor. Blundered my way onto I-90 because there is no
> > > entrance to, or mention of, OH 44 from US 20 in Painesville.
> >
> > Actually, there is an entrance to 44 NB from 20 (Mentor Avenue) --
http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=2&X=596&Y=5771&Z=17&W=1
> > but it's well-disguised since there's only a [TO][2][up-right-arrow]
> > assembly there. (I allude to this in the "Now what?!" entry on
> > http://www.roadfan.com/neohsign.html , the sixth one after the new
> > section.) Do you remember how you finally got back?
>
> Let's see, I went down a road that turned into OH 608, then found a local
> street that paralleled I-90...followed that a short distance west to OH 44.
Due to the area, I figured you'd say something like that -- the only
local street paralleling I-90 you'd have taken IS the one that turns
into 608. Here's a photo of 608's northern end.
http://www.roadfan.com/end608.jpg Anything look familiar? Probably
not. Most likely you came down old 44 (Ravenna Road, the cross street
in the photo above) then turned west, away from 608. (Pardon my
inquisition, but I've wondered since I've been here what people would
do in that situation; that you're a roadgeek makes it that much more
interesting.)
> > Sheesh, two m.t.r visitors to Mentor at the same time, and I'm
> > clueless!
>
> Frankly, I didn't mean to be there that long. I was impressed by the
> extraordinarily fancy McDonald's in Painesville.
Not sure which one you're talking about, unless it's the one by I-90
on Ohio 44, which is the Concord [Township] McDonald's.
(More Painesville photos are in the hopper)
--
Jeff Kitsko
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Pittsburgh Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/pghhwys/
Philadelphia Highways: http://www.pahighways.com/phlhwys/
"BCBA" <sys...@prisma-graphicdesign.com> wrote in message
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--bruce (returning from 1948 to your regularly scheduled newsgroup)
> > Let's see, I went down a road that turned into OH 608, then found a
local
> > street that paralleled I-90...followed that a short distance west to OH
44.
>
> Due to the area, I figured you'd say something like that -- the only
> local street paralleling I-90 you'd have taken IS the one that turns
> into 608. Here's a photo of 608's northern end.
> http://www.roadfan.com/end608.jpg Anything look familiar? Probably
> not. Most likely you came down old 44 (Ravenna Road, the cross street
> in the photo above) then turned west, away from 608. (Pardon my
> inquisition, but I've wondered since I've been here what people would
> do in that situation; that you're a roadgeek makes it that much more
> interesting.)
Well, it was quite dark so I couldn't recognize it from the photo. I do see
one of those Cross Traffic Does Not Stop signs in the pic, which greatly
resemble Divided Highway signs.
Old 44 makes sense, since it came right out of the center of Painesville.
Then there was a fork, the primary branch of which said Begin [608] South
and was the left fork. I turned around in a little turnout and retraced to
Old 44, if it was that, and found that I could continue across the
intersection, so I did. This came out IIRC onto a road that crossed I-90 but
did not interchange with it, so I turned left, and a short distance beyond,
I was at OH 44.
> > Frankly, I didn't mean to be there that long. I was impressed by the
> > extraordinarily fancy McDonald's in Painesville.
>
> Not sure which one you're talking about, unless it's the one by I-90
> on Ohio 44, which is the Concord [Township] McDonald's.
No, right downtown, just north of US 20, on the road that comes in from
Fairport Harbor.
Oh, I also forgot to comment on the BUS US 250 shields in New Philadelphia,
which looked just like BUS Interstate shields, only shaped different! Cool.
> "Marc Fannin" <musx...@kent.edu> wrote...
>
> > Due to the area, I figured you'd say something like that -- the only
> > local street paralleling I-90 you'd have taken IS the one that turns
> > into 608. Here's a photo of 608's northern end.
> > http://www.roadfan.com/end608.jpg Anything look familiar? Probably
> > not. Most likely you came down old 44 (Ravenna Road, the cross street
> > in the photo above) then turned west, away from 608. (Pardon my
> > inquisition, but I've wondered since I've been here what people would
> > do in that situation; that you're a roadgeek makes it that much more
> > interesting.)
>
> Well, it was quite dark so I couldn't recognize it from the photo. I do see
> one of those Cross Traffic Does Not Stop signs in the pic, which greatly
> resemble Divided Highway signs.
>
> Old 44 makes sense, since it came right out of the center of Painesville.
> Then there was a fork, the primary branch of which said Begin [608] South
> and was the left fork. I turned around in a little turnout and retraced to
> Old 44, if it was that, and found that I could continue across the
> intersection, so I did. This came out IIRC onto a road that crossed I-90 but
> did not interchange with it, so I turned left, and a short distance beyond,
> I was at OH 44.
OK, so you went west across Ravenna to Concord-Hambden, in front of
Quail Hollow Resort, left (N) on Auburn, and right (S) on 44 (Auburn @
44: http://www.roadfan.com/oh44i90a.jpg ). Or in other words, what
roadgeeks who know the area want commissioned as an extension of Ohio
608. It's one thing to want to extend dangling routes just for the
sake of connecting them to other routes, but here's an example where
it would have been practical in practice and not just in theory.
Apparently idle roadgeekdom does have a purpose after all!