Why Microsoft Agents Use Accusations Of Homosexuality -was- ...Linux FAGS

Mark S Bilk

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:09:37 AM12/21/03

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On 20 Dec 2003 18:50:35 -0800, CREAMPIE <leaky_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks for confirming that you are indeed a poof, fudge packing
>homo Roy Culley. Of course this cums as no surprise to anyone.
>Now bend over and pick up that bar of soap faggot!
>
>>Why are wintrolls so obsessed about homosexuality? Post after post
>>they say Linux advocates are gay, fags, ...
>>It is widely known that those who express such views vociferously are
>>often homosexuals who are unable to come to terms with their sexual
>>orientation.

It's unlikely that that's the case here. The fraction of
Microsoft's anti-Linux propagandists who use accusations of
homosexuality is much greater than the 10% of the population who
are homosexual.

The much more likely explanation is this: propaganda campaigns
are designed by industrial psychologists and industrial
sociologists -- professionals who prostitute their knowledge of
human mind and society to increase the profits of corporations,
which generally results in harming people instead of helping them.

These professional manipulators know that our society has a strong
and vicious prejudice against homosexual people, originating from
the Judeo-Christian Bible. So the ones in charge of Microsoft's
anti-Linux propaganda operation instruct many of their agents to
label the designers and users of Linux as homosexual.

This tactic may cause some religious fundamentalists, and others
infected with anti-human prejudice, to reject Linux. It certainly
provokes angry discussions in newsgroups, filling them with
hostile posts that turn away many who've come to learn about Linux.
Of course this is exactly what Microsoft is trying to accomplish.

The solution in general is to ignore the accusations, since to
most people they just make the accuser (Microsoft) look bad.
Occasionally, say once for every five accusations, point out
that 1. the attacks are coming from Microsoft agents, directed
by Microsoft industrial psychologists and sociologists, and
2. that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.

As always, please do not engage in a dialog with the anti-Linux
propagandists. They are in the business of harming people for
money, and will never respond as human beings. Please address
your remarks only to other Linux advocates, or, more importantly,
to our *audience* -- the people who visit these newsgroups
seeking information about Linux.

Lars M. Hansen

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:24:48 AM12/21/03

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:09:37 GMT, Mark S Bilk spoketh

>
>It's unlikely that that's the case here. The fraction of
>Microsoft's anti-Linux propagandists who use accusations of
>homosexuality is much greater than the 10% of the population who
>are homosexual.
>

Did you consider that the guy is just a moron looking to stir up a
couple of flame wars? Killfile him.

Lars M. Hansen
http://www.hansenonline.net
(replace 'badnews' with 'news' in e-mail address)

Gazwad

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:31:49 AM12/21/03

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*PLONK*

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Guardian: alt.os.windows-xp
Moderator: alt.warez.uk

Gazwad

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:32:07 AM12/21/03

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*PLONK*

Sinister Midget

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:51:00 AM12/21/03

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Mark S Bilk drooled & blabbered on Sun, 21 Dec 2003 at 12:09 GMT:

> On 20 Dec 2003 18:50:35 -0800, CREAMPIE <leaky_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Thanks for confirming that you are indeed a poof, fudge packing
>>homo Roy Culley. Of course this cums as no surprise to anyone.
>>Now bend over and pick up that bar of soap faggot!
>>
>>>Why are wintrolls so obsessed about homosexuality? Post after post
>>>they say Linux advocates are gay, fags, ...
>>>It is widely known that those who express such views vociferously are
>>>often homosexuals who are unable to come to terms with their sexual
>>>orientation.
>
> It's unlikely that that's the case here. The fraction of
> Microsoft's anti-Linux propagandists who use accusations of
> homosexuality is much greater than the 10% of the population who
> are homosexual.

Unless MICROS~1's products attract such homophobes. Then the numbers
might be skewed to the precise level they now seem to be.

--
CodeRed - Innovative Microsoft peer-to-peer software.

Gazwad

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:59:08 AM12/21/03

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Sinister Midget wrote:

||
|| Unless MICROS~1's products attract such homophobes. Then the numbers
|| might be skewed to the precise level they now seem to be.
||

Most faggots use Macs don't they?

Anyone at home?

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Dec 21, 2003, 8:35:18 AM12/21/03

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Mark S Bilk wrote:

> These professional manipulators know that our society has a strong
> and vicious prejudice against homosexual people, originating from
> the Judeo-Christian Bible. So the ones in charge of Microsoft's
> anti-Linux propaganda operation instruct many of their agents to
> label the designers and users of Linux as homosexual.

Maybe you should say Akhenaten/Aton belives, as Judeo belives comes from that
old egyptian religion.

> The solution in general is to ignore the accusations, since to
> most people they just make the accuser (Microsoft) look bad.
> Occasionally, say once for every five accusations, point out
> that 1. the attacks are coming from Microsoft agents, directed
> by Microsoft industrial psychologists and sociologists, and
> 2. that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.

Is this the reason why they hid that Bill is devil worshiper? ;)

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 9:25:54 AM12/21/03

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Hello Mark S Bilk , You mention ,

" anti-Linux propagandists who use
accusations of homosexuality "

No no , You got it all wrong .

Linux is a third class OS , for poor people .

And poor people usually can't date .

Hence the " Fag " accolade .

n46is

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Dec 21, 2003, 10:49:45 AM12/21/03

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I am glad that "reach people" are "blessed with" Microsoft Windows. :)

(allmost fell off my "poor chair" on this one :D)

Mark S Bilk

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Dec 21, 2003, 10:53:27 AM12/21/03

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No. Since most people are still using MS-Windows, the
demographics of Windows users will closely match those of
the general population (except that computer-literate people
will disproportionately switch to Linux). But the flood of
accusations of homosexuality from anti-Linux propagandists
goes far beyond anything seen in discussions on other topics.

The anti-Linux liars are *not* just MS-Windows users, who in
general, have no reason at all to attack Linux. I've helped
lots of people with computer problems, mostly Windows users,
and when I've suggested they try it, none of them has ever
expressed any enmity against Linux. Why would they?

No, the lying anti-Linux propagandists we see in Usenet and
other forums are organized and paid for by Microsoft. No one
else has the motivation to carry out such attacks for years on
end, but Microsoft certainly does, and they have a history of
doing it, too:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=352E3B66.9B9C4384%40memra.com

The anti-Linux propagandists are not typical Windows users; we
should *never* equate the two groups (as many Linux advocates
unfortunately do). Nor are they "trolls" -- people who simply
enjoy insulting others and having arguments; these attacks have
gone on for at least *five years*, and are increasing. Even
years ago some propagandists were each posting 50 articles per
day, for periods of months. That's a lot of work, and nobody
is going to do it without being paid for it.

The only conclusion that fits the facts is that the attacks are
designed by propaganda experts within Microsoft, and they employ
accusations of homosexuality for the same reason they employ
accusations of communism -- because our culture is prejudiced
against both, and by associating them with Linux, the Microsoft
propagandists hope to prejudice people against Linux too.

We must continually make it clear to our audience -- prospective
Linux adopters who visit these newsgroups -- that the attacks on
Linux are coming from Microsoft. It's the truth, they will
understand it, and it will make the propaganda much less effective.

Keep in mind the basic principle of "astroturf" (fake "grass
roots") propaganda. It's designed to appear to come from
ordinary people, so that those reading it will think, "These
writers are ordinary people just like me, so they're trustworthy
because I am, and the experiences they're writing about will be
the experiences I'll have if (in this case) I try Linux." If
that's what the readers believe, the lies will be very effective.

But in fact the "experiences" written about are totally false,
are carefully fabricated by propagandists paid by Microsoft, and
are written by Microsoft agents, not by ordinary people at all!
If the readers realize this, then not only will the propaganda
be ineffective, it will backfire against Microsoft, since people
will be angry that the company is using such outrageous fraud to
influence them.

Rick

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Dec 21, 2003, 10:46:32 AM12/21/03

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You are such an asshole.
--
Rick

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 11:03:42 AM12/21/03

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Hello n46is , You wrote ,
" I am glad that ' rich people '

are ' blessed with ' Microsoft Windows . :) "

" Blessed with " ? Who are you quoting ?

No , Windows is middle class , Macs are first class .

Now a Mac with your own private team of developers ...
That would be even better .

n46is

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Dec 21, 2003, 11:23:50 AM12/21/03

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you just don't get it. It's not about how much money you have. I'ts rather
about computing, coding, community. Just use what you like.

Cheers.
-nabis

Mark Gary

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Dec 21, 2003, 12:07:56 PM12/21/03

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I think you are a teeny little bit of a snob :). But hey, I'd like a Mac too,
and I've considered buying one, but I would ditch the toy OS that its
got, install gentoo linux and get myself a proper 3 button mouse. Then the
Mac would rock.

--
Mark
Registered Linux User #329755 - http://counter.li.org
If you must email me then address to :
uk.co.demon.mwgary.nospam@mark (just reverse it and remove nospam)

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 12:29:55 PM12/21/03

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Hello n46is , Re: The Mac being first class , You wrote ,

" It's not about how much money you have .

It's rather about computing , coding , community "

Right , and money is the main difference
between the Mac and the Linux community .
It's what divides the first class from the third class .

People who don't have a lot of resources :
A _ Can't date . ( Hence the Loser / Fag labels )
B _ Can't own Macs .

Davorin Vlahovic

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Dec 21, 2003, 11:57:12 AM12/21/03

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On 2003-12-21, Jeff Relf <M...@Privacy.NET> wrote:
> No no , You got it all wrong .
> Linux is a third class OS , for poor people .
> And poor people usually can't date .
> Hence the " Fag " accolade .

Oh, shit, I have to get that *linux-based* cd/mp3 custom made player
out of my 1996 *MERCEDES* ! It's possible *chicks* I date with would leave
me because my *MERCEDES* runs with some *Linux* assistance.

Idiot.

--
Q: What did Snow white say when told she was pregnant?
A: "I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible..."

Pass The Dutch

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Dec 21, 2003, 1:28:54 PM12/21/03

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> Right , and money is the main difference
> between the Mac and the Linux community .
> It's what divides the first class from the third class .

1) The RedHat WS is $200.

2) Why do you assume that linux users don't spend money? Maybe we spend
money on hardware instead of software? In fact, based on the postings
in this group, I would say that most windos users are poverty stricken
unemployed hasbeens such as jeff relf, who are using a software os that
was written 6 years ago. whereas linux users are buying premo
hardware, such as multiproc wkstations that require Linux.

3) as far as mac users go, they are sort of like the people who refused
to buy japanese cars in the early 80s, after it was long since proven
that the japanese were making cars better, quicker and with greater
reliability and for less money (just like linux). those people ended up
spending more money for chevies, fords and chryslers that ended up
spending more thing in the repair shop then on the road. mac users are
the same -- they can see that linux looks just as good, is faster and
cheaper, but they can't overcome the brand loyalty that forces them to
make bad decisions.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:13:24 PM12/21/03

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Hello Pass The Dutch , You wrote ,
" Mac users are the same --
they can see that Linux looks just as good ,
is faster and cheaper ,

but they can't overcome the brand loyalty
that forces them to make bad decisions "

In other words , Mac users are all badly misguided ? !

I'm sure they think the same of Linux users .

People with money aren't dumber ,
they just know different things .
Things that Bailo can't seem to learn .

Pass The Dutch

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:10:24 PM12/21/03

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> People with money aren't dumber ,
> they just know different things .

Why is it that the poorest people in society are sometimes the most
vociferous supporters of the class structure? Do they think with
enough Lotto tickets they'll make it big?

1/3 of people in the fortune 1000 wealthiest made their money through
inheritence.

Is there a degree program in Inheritence at the UW ( excluding the
genetic department )

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:24:10 PM12/21/03

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Hello Pass The Dutch , You wrote ,

" Why is it that the poorest people in society
are sometimes the most vociferous supporters
of the class structure ? "

Even if I wanted to " Support the class structure " ,
I couldn't do it .

It's just there ... So live with it .

What ? ! Did you think it was going to go away ?

You're such a pinko Bailo .

John wrote , " See you at the Revolution "

Power to the People ! :
http://www.resistance.org.au/resrev/people01/che21.gif
http://www.resistance.org.au/resrev/people01/che10.gif
http://www.resistance.org.au/resrev/people01/a_che.html

Pass The Dutch

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:23:01 PM12/21/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:
> Hello Pass The Dutch , You wrote ,
> " Why is it that the poorest people in society
> are sometimes the most vociferous supporters
> of the class structure ? "
>
> Even if I wanted to " Support the class structure " ,
> I couldn't do it .
>
> It's just there ... So live with it .
>
> What ? ! Did you think it was going to go away ?

So said Marie Antoinette.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:36:58 PM12/21/03

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Hello Pass The Dutch , You mention ,
" Marie Antoinette "

What absurdity are you Trying to say now ? !

That the French Revolution abolished the classes ?

Pass The Dutch

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:34:07 PM12/21/03

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Revolutions probably don't change the class hierarchy.

But they certainly change who is on the top and who is on the bottom.

The way that the HTML revolution made windos programmers seem not that
_magic_ any more when any /simpleton/ could write a GUI FORM based app.

The problem with the current techno-hierarchy is that the same people
have been at the top of it for more than a quarter century.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:54:19 PM12/21/03

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Hello Pass The Dutch , You mention ,

" the HTML revolution "

HTML is like a dumb terminal , it's stooopid .

Like I said before ,
If I wrote an HTML client , I would castrate it .

Pass The Dutch

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Dec 21, 2003, 2:52:30 PM12/21/03

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One thing that this group seems to ignore is that since Netscape 3.x
there has been an OO interpreter in every browser...it's called javascript.

That is something that windos has never delivered. And in today's
modern browser and javascript I can create direct data access, host XML
_data islands_, create and run animation and multimedia, manage CSS
styles and have multiple vertical /layers/, write all the basic OO
structures and so on.

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:07:00 PM12/21/03

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hah! it's flawed and broken, not ECMA or W3C compliant.

the onSubmit event is hokey and non standard

you can put un-ended FORM tags -- IE js is a joke !

AND

have you ever looked at the result of a .NET web application, and the
result of using /web form controls/ ?

yep, that's right - .NET web applcations are just javascript code
generators! the whole thing just translates the c# 'server code' into
client javascript !!!!

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:28:07 PM12/21/03

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Hello Pass The Dutch , You wrote ,

" yep , that's right - .NET web applcations

are just javascript code generators !
the whole thing just translates the c# ' server code '
into client javascript !!!! "

Thanks Bailo . I didn't know that .

Why do they call the generated JavaScript " Server code " ?
It only runs on the client side .

Anyways , Everything is a kludge ,
the only test is whether something work or not ...
Not the bizillions of standards .

Dimitri Casikovitch

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:24:45 PM12/21/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:
> Hello Pass The Dutch , You wrote ,
> " yep , that's right - .NET web applcations
> are just javascript code generators !
> the whole thing just translates the c# ' server code '
> into client javascript !!!! "
>
> Thanks Bailo . I didn't know that .
>
> Why do they call the generated JavaScript " Server code " ?
> It only runs on the client side .

Not only that: web services are just form POSTs. In fact, the 1.4
redistributable sets the FORM GET and POST off just to force people into
using the so called XML/SOAP protocol -- get it ? Web methods are
basically FORM POSTS (!) and XML/SOAP transfers are probably ftp uploads.

See the whole thing is a Man Behind the Curtain designed to subvert
basic net protocols with a lot of script generators.

Of course, teh cool part of .net is being able to do all this in c#
server code, so who cares.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:54:29 PM12/21/03

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Hello Dimitri Casikovitch , You wrote ,

" the whole thing is a Man Behind the Curtain
designed to subvert basic net protocols
with a lot of script generators "

So C# is like a huge macro preprocessor ? !

Only the user can't change the basic macros ?

That sounds stupid ... It won't last .

Dimitri Casikovitch

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Dec 21, 2003, 4:27:07 PM12/21/03

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Hello, Mr. Gate$? Yes, there's a *Jeff Relf* on the line. He wants to
speak with you. Says something about /c# being crap/. Yes, ok, I'll
put him through...

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Dec 21, 2003, 5:24:43 PM12/21/03

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Yes he is. Have you got your Christmas 'stockings' from him yet?

relic

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Dec 21, 2003, 5:48:19 PM12/21/03

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Well, yes. But this year he put XP Pro Full Version in my sock... one for
everytime I gave out the XP Crack from the Peanut gallery. What do I need
with 17 brand new XP CDs? I was hoping he'd give me a new Visio this year.

Mind, he's still a real nice guy.

del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll

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Dec 21, 2003, 5:51:49 PM12/21/03

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> Mind, he's still a real nice guy.
>

Sure, he *has* to be nice, because he's screwed so many people over,
nobody is going to shed a tear watching him and his empire going down
the toilet.

That's why he's giving so much 'charity' money away -- because people
are 99% percent against his slimey business practices, criminal
behavior, lying ways and general crookedness.

In a year or two he'll be hiding in a hole with a styrofoam cover and
some cash.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:02:56 PM12/21/03

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Hello relic , You mention , " the XP Crack "

I don't have WinXP ,
But I'm just curious , what does the XP Crack entail ?

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Dec 21, 2003, 5:58:46 PM12/21/03

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Stand facing away from the mirror.

Drop your drawers.

Now turn your head and look behind you: yep, there it is.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:13:27 PM12/21/03

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Hello del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll ,
Re: The near future of Bill Gates , You wrote ,

" In a year or two he'll be hiding in a hole

with a Styrofoam cover and some cash "

It will take more than a year or two to unseat Bill Gates .

Hiding in a ditch ? That sounds more like you Bailo .

del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:10:19 PM12/21/03

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I live in an apartment on the 99th floor on my block.
And I sit at home looking out the window
Imagining the world has stopped.

When in flies a guy dressed up just like the Union Jack
He says I've won five pounds
If I have this kind of detergent pack.

TehGhodTrole Jr

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Dec 21, 2003, 5:55:22 PM12/21/03

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Not bad; I got 10 copies of server 2003 and a partridge in a pear tree.

Very yuletide, eh?

>> Mind, he's still a real nice guy.

He is. Of that there is no doubt. A real nice guy.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:26:24 PM12/21/03

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Hello del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll , You command ,

" Stand facing away from the mirror "

Ok .

Then you say : " Drop your drawers "

Did that .

You then say :

" Now turn your head and look behind you :
yep , there it is . "

Whaah ? ! I don't believe this ... It's ... it's Bailo :
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bung.jpg

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:36:03 PM12/21/03

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Hello del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll ,

You tell me to , " Get Offa My Cloud "

Why do you have this intense rivalry with Bill Gates ...
Eh , Don Quixote ?

del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:30:04 PM12/21/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:

> Whaah ? ! I don't believe this ... It's ... it's Bailo :
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bung.jpg

STOP MAKING FUN OF ME YOU BIG OLD BULLY !!!

I'M TELING MOM !!!

del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:32:15 PM12/21/03

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0. You mention the name not me.
1. I tend to agree with you about Life's casino. Our actions have
little to do with it.
2. I have no rivals. They wouldn't dare.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:45:02 PM12/21/03

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Hello del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll , You wrote ,
' STOP MAKING FUN OF ME YOU BIG OLD BULLY !!!

I'M TELING MOM !!! "

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:51:06 PM12/21/03

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Knowing the future is akin to being dead.

Life is an amusement park. It is a *restricted* world where we sign up
to go on rides and /experience/ it. As long as you're alive, your still
in Disneyland, that's why people don't want to die.

There are people who have control of their destinies and predict the
future.

I call them the _walking_ dead.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:14:27 PM12/21/03

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Hello del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll , You wrote ,

" Knowing the future is akin to being dead "

Exactly . Precisely . Perfectly put .

You say :
" Life is an amusement park .
It is a Restricted world
where we sign up to go on rides and Experience it .

As long as you're alive , your still in Disneyland ,
that's why people don't want to die . "

_ Dizz Knee Land _ by Dada
<< I just ran away from home
Now I'm goin' to Disneyland
I just crashed my car again
Now I'm goin' to Disneyland
I just robbed a grocery store
I'm goin' to Disneyland
And I just flipped off President George
I'm goin' to Disneyland
I'm goin' to Disneyland

I just tossed a fifth of gin
Now I'm goin' to Disneyland
I just got cuffed again
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ yeah ]
Shot my gun into the night
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ ohhh ]
I just saw a good man die
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ c'mon ]
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ hey ... what ? ]

Kicked my ass out of school
Rolled me out into the streets
Hitched a ride on a monkey's back
Headed west into the back
I'm goin' to Disneyland
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ yeah yeah ]
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ ohhh ]
I'm goin' to Disneyland [ yeah yeah yeah ] >>

You wrote :

" There are people who have control of their destinies
and predict the future .

I call them the Walking dead . "

It must feel horrible .

del c:\winnt\system32\showdoc.dll

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:17:10 PM12/21/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:

> You wrote :
> " There are people who have control of their destinies
> and predict the future .
> I call them the Walking dead . "
>
> It must feel horrible .

Classic Twilight Zone:

A petty thief is shot and killed. A friendly looking fellow appears and
tells the man he's dead, and says that he's come to take him away.

He puts him in a palacial white apartment. At his service are any types
of food and drink that he wants. In fact, anything he asks for he
gets. Two comely consorts become his arm candy. He goes to a night
club every night and then a casino -- now matter what he bets on, he wins...

A month later -- he is in a rage, he is bored. He can't stand always
winning. He complains to the friendly guide "If this is heaven, why do
I feel so rotten???!".

The spirit replies, "Oh, this isn't heaven. This is the other place."

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Dec 21, 2003, 8:27:31 PM12/21/03

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Much better. It's a crack.

paul cooke

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Dec 21, 2003, 9:28:57 PM12/21/03

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relic wrote:

> Jeff Relf wrote:
>> Hello relic , You wrote ,
>> " we supply them with the link to the XP Crack "
>>
>> I don't actually want the crack ,
>> I'm just wondering about the nature of it ...
>> Is it a small piece of code ?
>
> Much better. It's a crack.
>

Just say no...

--
COMPUTER POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DOWN WITH CYBERCRUD!

Dolphin

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Dec 22, 2003, 7:15:23 AM12/22/03

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#begin M...@Privacy.NET.exe (or was it Jeff Relf.com)
message <1hvqaib57y768.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf> reply:
> Hello n46is , Re: The Mac being first class , You wrote ,
> " It's not about how much money you have .
> It's rather about computing , coding , community "
>
> Right , and money is the main difference
> between the Mac and the Linux community .
> It's what divides the first class from the third class .
>
> People who don't have a lot of resources :
> A _ Can't date . ( Hence the Loser / Fag labels )
> B _ Can't own Macs .

Let me rebate it all in one strike:
<http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/world/101600wo.htm>

There are Microsoft guys who are gays, and also there are gays who have
enough money to do 2-million giveaways. Side note: Dave was with MS the
last year, I saw his presentation on a Microsoft's TechEd in April. Not
retired.

Dolphin.

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Davorin Vlahovic

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Dec 21, 2003, 6:47:24 PM12/21/03

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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.]
On 2003-12-21, Jeff Relf <M...@Privacy.NET> wrote:
> Hello Davorin Vlahovic , You mention you ,
> " linux-based cd/mp3 custom made player "
> That's a different story .
> I was Only talking about Linux on the desktop .
> Embedded Linux is cool .

Not embedded :) I used a pc-chips_everything_integrated + Celeron 400MHz
+ a hard drive (well suspended, otherwise bumps on the road would kill
it) + some sort of LCD (also custom made from Hitachi compatible LCDs).

:)))

And I can use a laptop to connect to it's ssh server, or I could connect
to it's X server and run XMMS :)) It's a whole server inside a small
black box :)

HAHAHA! I RULE! :)

And, btw, I use Linux on my desktop (hello, all you windowmaker fans out
there), and so does my sister, and so does my coledge, and so do my
friends...

--
Q: What did Snow white say when told she was pregnant?
A: "I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible..."

Jeff Relf

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Dec 22, 2003, 2:56:33 PM12/22/03

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Hello relic , You wrote , " It's a crack "

Ok ... Let me try yet again .

How big is this " Crack " for WinXP ... is it one file ?

Jeff Relf

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Dec 22, 2003, 3:06:25 PM12/22/03

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Hello Davorin Vlahovic , You wrote ,

" I use Linux on my desktop

( hello , all you windowmaker fans out there ) ,

and so does my sister , and so does my coledge ,
and so do my friends "

Maybe Croatia is different ,
but I've never seen a woman using a Linux desktop before .

How does the college use it ?

Here at the University of Washington ,
I've seem a whole lot of computers over the years ,
But today almost every desktop uses Windows .

In fact , I've never even seen Linux used on campus .

Lado

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Dec 22, 2003, 3:59:45 PM12/22/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:

Hi Jeff

> but I've never seen a woman using a Linux desktop before .

LOL:-) .

>
> In fact , I've never even seen Linux used on campus .

Well in Germany, Holland, France (a lot of countries in Europe) is Linux
almost used server OS on collegs, Deskops are still on the Win but few
Linux desktops you can everywhere to find. Of course on computer collegs is
Linux more used as MS.

relic

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Dec 22, 2003, 4:26:16 PM12/22/03

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Yes. ...and it is of a fair proportion.

--
- relic -
If work is so terrific, why do they have to pay you to do it?

relic

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Dec 22, 2003, 4:28:42 PM12/22/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:
> Hello Davorin Vlahovic , You wrote ,
> " I use Linux on my desktop
> ( hello , all you windowmaker fans out there ) ,
> and so does my sister , and so does my coledge ,

> *and so do my friends* "

>
> Maybe Croatia is different ,
> but I've never seen a woman using a Linux desktop before .
>
> How does the college use it ?
>
> Here at the University of Washington ,
> I've seem a whole lot of computers over the years ,
> But today almost every desktop uses Windows .
>
> In fact , I've never even seen Linux used on campus .

...who would believe a linux user has friends?

javaman

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Dec 22, 2003, 4:43:31 PM12/22/03

to

At college I was a Bio student. As part of an experiment in imprinting (
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/konrad_lorenz.html ), I trained a duck to
follow me around as part of my senior undergraduate thesis.

Let me tell you -- ducks are _chic magnets_. I bet if you can get a
*penguin* to follow you around, the honies be drippin' on ya.

Diogenes

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Dec 22, 2003, 4:48:03 PM12/22/03

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Careful... penguins are gay (like linux loonies)

--
Diogenes

Jeff Relf

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Dec 22, 2003, 5:11:00 PM12/22/03

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Hello javaman , You wrote , " ducks are Chic Magnets " .

Ha ha ... You're great Bailo . What a visual .

chrisv

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Dec 22, 2003, 5:31:21 PM12/22/03

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:48:03 GMT, "Diogenes" <diog...@sinope.gr>
wrote:

>Careful... penguins are gay (like linux loonies)

Didn't I already kill-file you?

*plonk*

Jeff Relf

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Dec 22, 2003, 6:04:32 PM12/22/03

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Hello chrisv , You tell Diogenes ,
" Didn't I already kill-file you ? Plonk ! "

That brings to mind one of my favorite skits ...
Waitress :
... or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with
a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner
with shallots and aubergines garnished
with truffle pate ,
brandy and with a fried egg on top and Plonk .
Wife :
Have you got anything without Plonk ?
Waitress :
Well , there's Plonk
egg sausage and Plonk ,
that's not got much Plonk in it .
Wife :
I don't want ANY Plonk !
Man :
Why can't she have egg bacon Plonk and sausage ?
Wife :
THAT'S got Plonk in it !
Man :
Hasn't got as much Plonk in it as Plonk
egg sausage and Plonk , has it ?
Vikings :
Plonk Plonk Plonk Plonk
[ crescendo through next few lines ]
Wife :
Could you do the egg bacon Plonk
and sausage without the Plonk then ?
Waitress :
Urgghh !
Wife :
What do you mean ' Urgghh ' ? I don't like Plonk !
Vikings :
Lovely Plonk ! Wonderful Plonk !
Waitress :
Shut up !
Vikings :
Lovely Plonk ! Wonderful Plonk !
Waitress :
Shut up ! [ Vikings stop ] Bloody Vikings !
You can't have egg bacon Plonk and sausage
without the Plonk .
Wife [ shrieks ] :
I don't like Plonk !
Man :
Sshh , dear , don't cause a fuss .
I'll have your Plonk . I love it .
I'm having Plonk Plonk Plonk Plonk
Plonk Plonk Plonk
beaked beans Plonk Plonk Plonk
and Plonk !
Vikings [ singing ] :
Plonk Plonk Plonk Plonk .
Lovely Plonk ! Wonderful Plonk !
Waitress :
Shut up !! Baked beans are off .
Man :
Well could I have her Plonk
instead of the baked beans then ?
Waitress :
You mean Plonk Plonk
Plonk Plonk Plonk Plonk ...
[ but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words ]
Vikings [ singing elaborately ] :
Plonk Plonk Plonk Plonk .
Lovely Plonk ! Wonderful Plonk ! Plonk
Plo-o-o-o-o-onk ! Plonk
Plo-o-o-o-o-onk ! Plonk .
Lovely Plonk ! Lovely Plonk !
Lovely Plonk ! Lovely Plonk !
Lovely Plonk ! Plonk Plonk
Plonk Plonk !

10 8

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Dec 22, 2003, 11:46:10 PM12/22/03

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>
> Careful... penguins are gay (like linux loonies)
>

/crazed ex-microsoft millionaire with tobacco stained white beard/

/causing a disturbance on James Street/

/please apprehend/

*Adam 12 over and _out_ */

Davorin Vlahovic

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Dec 22, 2003, 5:29:03 PM12/22/03

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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.]

On 2003-12-22, Jeff Relf <M...@Privacy.NET> wrote:
> Hello Davorin Vlahovic , You wrote ,
> " I use Linux on my desktop
> ( hello , all you windowmaker fans out there ) ,
> and so does my sister , and so does my coledge ,
> and so do my friends "
>
> Maybe Croatia is different ,
> but I've never seen a woman using a Linux desktop before .

I see a lot of them lately...especially when they come to me to tutor
them >:)

> How does the college use it ?

They teach basic Unix + programming...you must agree that it's a lot
cheaper to use 40+ machines with Linux on top instead of Win2k (a lot of
money) + Visual Studio (even more money)...for that price (40 win2k+40 Visual
Studios) you can buy a lot of computers capable of doing what they need
to do on Linux.

> Here at the University of Washington ,
> I've seem a whole lot of computers over the years ,
> But today almost every desktop uses Windows .

I'd disagree... after this summer, a lot of people are switching to
linux (all the worms, pop-up windows etc...), so they use windows only
for gaming....

> In fact , I've never even seen Linux used on campus .

On Croatia's most technologicaly advanced campus (FER, Faculty of
Electrotechnics and Computing) the most important part of network
(servers) are on SUN equipment, the then some 80% runs stinkdoze, the
rest is on Linux.

It's because of Microsoft and it's strong lobby here...but, the other
campuses use Linux more and more...it's even present on the faculty of
philosophy (have I spelled this right?) :))))

--
Q: What do you do if an Irishman throws a pin at you?
A: Run like hell, he's got a grenade in his mouth!!

Claire McIvor

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Dec 23, 2003, 8:47:32 PM12/23/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:
Then if you watch carefully things will change. It may take a while but
eventually, Windows will be a rarity.

Claire

Diogenes

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Dec 23, 2003, 9:22:26 PM12/23/03

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Claire McIvor wrote:
> Jeff Relf wrote:
> Then if you watch carefully things will change. It may take a while
> but eventually, Windows will be a rarity.
>

I agree. Unfortunately, not in my lifetime as I am only expected to live
another Thirty Years or so. My Grandkids might see linux on the desktop, but
not me.

--
Diogenes

Jeff Relf

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Dec 23, 2003, 10:00:25 PM12/23/03

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Hello Diogenes , You wrote ,
" My Grandkids might see Linux on the desktop , but not me "

Well , Let's see ,
For as long as desktops have been popular ,
say 10 years , Microsoft has dominated it .

So I wouldn't expect that to change
for at least another 10 more years .

IBM is a good analogy ,
although they have moved on to other markets ,
they're still going strong .

I don't see why Microsoft should be any different .

The next Microsoft / IBM will probably be
a cell phone company .
And if you knew which one ... You'd become really rich .
But if you guessed wrong ... You'd lose everything .
Hmm ... IBM's stupidity created MS ,
maybe MS' stupidity will create the next big winner .

I know I'd like to have a cell phone with a good selection
of NNTP clients to chose from .
I'd also like to have decent head gear to go with it :
like a radio , a head-mounted display
and big-ass headphones ... Maybe some day .

Bugs Bunny

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Dec 24, 2003, 7:52:03 AM12/24/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:
> Hello Diogenes , You wrote ,
> " My Grandkids might see Linux on the desktop , but not me "

Why? Is he planning an assisted suicide on Dec 31st?

>
> Well , Let's see ,
> For as long as desktops have been popular ,
> say 10 years , Microsoft has dominated it .

Like a 73 year old constipated man on a toilet, who refuses to get
off...yes, I'd say so.

>
> So I wouldn't expect that to change
> for at least another 10 more years .

You're off by a factor of 0.10

>
> IBM is a good analogy ,
> although they have moved on to other markets ,
> they're still going strong .

IBM is a bank. They make most of their money from investments and
financing and real estate. Next after that is 'consulting' and
services. Software, hardware and the rest run a distant third.

What IBM the bank is doing is making a shrewd, sound, investment in
Linux -- putting down a mere $20M here and there and probably getting
back $20B in the long run.

>
> I don't see why Microsoft should be any different .
>
> The next Microsoft / IBM will probably be
> a cell phone company .

Possibly. But like biotech, the cell phone companies are already big
players. I can see their revenue go up with more java services, but no
startups benefiting.

> And if you knew which one ... You'd become really rich .
> But if you guessed wrong ... You'd lose everything .
> Hmm ... IBM's stupidity created MS ,

In the same way that you created your two kids, but was not able to
support them.

> maybe MS' stupidity will create the next big winner .
>
> I know I'd like to have a cell phone with a good selection
> of NNTP clients to chose from .

Hah -- the Basic Monthly plan would consume 80 of your annual income.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 24, 2003, 12:51:50 PM12/24/03

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Hello Bugs Bunny , Re: The next Microsoft , You wrote ,
" IBM is a bank .

They make most of their money from investments
and financing and real estate "

Really ? I didn't know that , Thanks .
( I thought it was their " Computing solutions " )

Despite you repulsion at the thought ,
there are plenty of reasons to think that
a single cell phone maker will someday dominate the market .

res18u0x

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Dec 24, 2003, 1:10:15 PM12/24/03

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"Bugs Bunny" <bugs@looneytunes> wrote in message
news:d80609160d19cf20...@news.teranews.com...
<snip>

>
> IBM is a bank. They make most of their money from investments and
> financing and real estate. Next after that is 'consulting' and
> services. Software, hardware and the rest run a distant third.
>
> What IBM the bank is doing is making a shrewd, sound, investment in
> Linux -- putting down a mere $20M here and there and probably getting
> back $20B in the long run.

According to their 2002 Annual Report, their revenues (in billions) were:

Global services 36.4
Hardware 27.5
Software 13.1

Global financing 3.2
Enterprise investments 1.1

[from: http://www.ibm.com/annualreport/2002/broadband/fr_cfs.htm]

- Rush

Jeff Relf

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Dec 25, 2003, 5:59:46 PM12/25/03

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Hello res18u0x , Re: IBM's markets , You correct Bailo ,

" According to their 2002 Annual Report ,

their revenues ( in billions ) were :

Global services 36.4
Hardware 27.5
Software 13.1
Global financing 3.2
Enterprise investments 1.1
[ from :
http://www.ibm.com/annualreport/2002/broadband/fr_cfs.htm ] "

Ha ! So I was right , " Computing solutions " ,
( i.e. Services , mercilessly bundled to their
overpriced software and hardware )
is where they make most of their money ,
not their Linux investments , etc. .

Geez Bailo ,
You're ignorance of the computing industry is truly vast .

Jack Parr

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Dec 25, 2003, 6:02:50 PM12/25/03

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> overpriced software and hardware )

exactly.

thanks, you proved my point.

Jeff Relf

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Dec 25, 2003, 6:33:43 PM12/25/03

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Hello Bailo ,
Re: IBM's bundling it's crapware with it's services ,
You wrote , " you proved my point "

No , You point was that IBM's investments
in things like Linux was a big deal to them , it isn't .

That kind of stuff is just noise on their balance sheet .

Perot became a billionaire just by rescuing IBM's victims .

Why isn't Linus a billionaire ?
Because he didn't rescue IBM's victims .

Jack Parr

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Dec 25, 2003, 6:35:26 PM12/25/03

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Jeff Relf wrote:

> Perot became a billionaire just by rescuing IBM's victims .

no, he became a rich by processig Medicaire, Medicaid for old peeps...

no wonder he opposed liberal democracy..

Davorin Vlahovic

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Dec 25, 2003, 9:58:32 PM12/25/03

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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.]

Tell me, who's quoting techique is this? IT IS GOD-DAMN AWFUL AND
DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW!

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\"Format c:\""

Joseph

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Dec 28, 2003, 1:06:41 PM12/28/03

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:09:37 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:

> As always, please do not engage in a dialog with the anti-Linux
> propagandists. They are in the business of harming people for
> money, and will never respond as human beings. Please address
> your remarks only to other Linux advocates, or, more importantly,
> to our *audience* -- the people who visit these newsgroups
> seeking information about Linux.

Wintrolls are the scum of the earth, and go straight into my killfile.

I place them in the same basket of trash as Hitler, Saddam,
Fundamentalists (of any religion), or anyone else who would rip "free
will choice" from people's hands & minds.

--
-Joseph- Thank God for the ability to PLONK people.
Watch out for people who have forgotten what it's like to be a nOOb.
Give them a good PLONK for 30 days or so. And, be greatful when people
say they are going to PLONK you; that is often a Godsend.

relic

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Dec 28, 2003, 1:49:01 PM12/28/03

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Joseph wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:09:37 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
>> As always, please do not engage in a dialog with the anti-Linux
>> propagandists. They are in the business of harming people for
>> money, and will never respond as human beings. Please address
>> your remarks only to other Linux advocates, or, more importantly,
>> to our *audience* -- the people who visit these newsgroups
>> seeking information about Linux.
>
> Wintrolls are the scum of the earth, and go straight into my killfile.
>
> I place them in the same basket of trash as Hitler, Saddam,
> Fundamentalists (of any religion), or anyone else who would rip "free
> will choice" from people's hands & minds.

Killfile this you stupid linuxfuck faggot. And stop trying to recruit young
boys into your sick depraved linuxfag cult; you're worse than Michael Jackson.

--
Diogenes

Jim Jones

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Dec 28, 2003, 2:25:56 PM12/28/03

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Joseph wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:09:37 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
>> As always, please do not engage in a dialog with the anti-Linux
>> propagandists. They are in the business of harming people for
>> money, and will never respond as human beings. Please address
>> your remarks only to other Linux advocates, or, more importantly,
>> to our *audience* -- the people who visit these newsgroups
>> seeking information about Linux.
>
> Wintrolls are the scum of the earth, and go straight into my killfile.
>
> I place them in the same basket of trash as Hitler, Saddam,
> Fundamentalists (of any religion), or anyone else who would rip "free
> will choice" from people's hands & minds.

Windows users can be all of that, but they are still so much better than the
lusers. Don't you think?

You're a typical linuxfuck.
Linux makes you stupid.
All linux users (lusers) are gay.

--
Drink Koolaid for life.

Olli AbdulMuqtadir

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Dec 28, 2003, 4:32:40 PM12/28/03

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Killfile this you stupid linuxfuck faggot. And stop trying to recruit young

boys into your sick depraved linuxfag cult; you're worse than Michael
Jackson.

<BERSERKehbcYtk2x7V7...@bird.suba.com>
Olli AbdulMuqtadir <JOisBf...@bird.suba.com>
k3n9LZoUDwEY

Asrar Edgar

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Dec 28, 2003, 4:32:41 PM12/28/03

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Killfile this you stupid linuxfuck faggot. And stop trying to recruit young

boys into your sick depraved linuxfag cult; you're worse than Michael
Jackson.

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Dec 28, 2003, 7:42:57 PM12/28/03

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jo...@ibe.nowhere wrote:

> I do not like what I see in XP at all! But as a user of win98SE, with
> dozens of advanced applications that work, I'm very disapponited with
> linux. Look, Fedora can;t even get an alcatel Speedtouch 330 working.
> There's no support for digital audio evne with an oldish (3 years) sound
> card I have. If the linux community does not taken positive criticism -
> I'm not referring to this thread's originator BTW - there is no hope for
> it in the long term IMO.//

Pffff. How come then it runs ancient hardware like a PIII with a Diamond
Speedstar A50 for gawds sake. Just buzz off, luser.

--
Ruurd
.o.
..o
ooo

The Ghost In The Machine

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Dec 29, 2003, 4:00:06 PM12/29/03

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jo...@ibe.nowhere
<jo...@ibe.nowhere>
wrote
on Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:03:51 +0000
<3FEF6F67...@dsl.pipex.com>:

>
>
> Olli AbdulMuqtadir wrote:
>>
>> Joseph wrote:
>> || On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:09:37 +0000, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>> ||
>> ||| As always, please do not engage in a dialog with the anti-Linux
>> ||| propagandists. They are in the business of harming people for
>> ||| money, and will never respond as human beings. Please address
>> ||| your remarks only to other Linux advocates, or, more importantly,
>> ||| to our *audience* -- the people who visit these newsgroups
>> ||| seeking information about Linux.
>
> Like how I've wasted 6 months trying to get various distros of linux to
> work properly?

Could you be more specific?

>
> I do not like what I see in XP at all! But as a user of win98SE, with
> dozens of advanced applications that work, I'm very disapponited with
> linux. Look, Fedora can;t even get an alcatel Speedtouch 330 working.
> There's no support for digital audio evne with an oldish (3 years) sound
> card I have. If the linux community does not taken positive criticism -
> I'm not referring to this thread's originator BTW - there is no hope for
> it in the long term IMO.//

I'll admit I've never heard of that card, but it is
possible that someone -- you, perhaps? -- might have to
write drivers for it, if you can get the specs.

--
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It's still legal to go .sigless.