New Changes to the Star Wars Trilogy...
Alex Peckover
Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
Episode IV: A New Hope
01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on
Princess Leia's ship.
02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays
in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks
about Vader.
03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of
lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode
III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced with
Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a
non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his
tale.
09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2
navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots
have been added.
11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was
modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers'
fire.
12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's
reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those
deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more
of the creature.
14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to
show similar displays to those in the prequels.
15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
stormtroopers.
18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and
there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is
being considered for the scene.
19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the
Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we
see in Attack of the Clones.
20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more
Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used
by the Rebels.
21. There's a new scene(shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to
Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the
end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it
is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness
for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the
Force.
22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on
Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a
ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new
ships and vehicles.
03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and
all the stormtroopers.
04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
05. The slug monster is CG.
06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations
between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to
the prequels.
07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of emotions
yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda
instructing Luke have been restored.
08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture
Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader
orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so
that he can fix him.
09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a
stuntman.
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan
now.
04. The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them.
05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is
talking with Leia about their mother.
06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all
the stormtroopers.
07. In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more
vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now.
08. White boxes around ships removed.
09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been
redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the
Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced
with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much
more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his
son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi
and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It
is finished...".
13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an aged
Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with
the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now unable
to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes
Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at
the Ewok tree village.
14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to
make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit
of Padme by his side.
Alex
synaptyx
<snip>
OMG! This, if done to world class standard, it could be really good. Lucas
has had his fair share of dodgy CG from ILM(!?), it's true, but they may
have learned from their mistakes. I'm a bit put off that Lucas is replacing
the voices for the stormtroopers and Boba Fett with Temura Morrisons voice.
I feel that's very disrespecful to the original actors. This also goes for
Iain McDairmid replacing 'Empire's' Emperor and Hayden Christiansen
replacing 'Jedi's' Darth Vader, but I can see why both things were done.
Great news on Han's dubious reputation being restored in the greedo fight. I
hope Lucas relents and includes the original, un-altered SW IV, V, VI on the
DVD's. Pity about a further appearance of Jarjar. As for 'vicious Ewoks';
YAY!!! :o))
One more thing George: We want more Jek Porkins!!!
http://www.jekporkins.net/ ;)
Um Alex, can I steal your post for another group?
Syn :)
Alex Peckover
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> Alex Peckover wrote:
> <snip>
>
> OMG! This, if done to world class standard, it could be really good.
> Lucas has had his fair share of dodgy CG from ILM(!?), it's true, but
> they may have learned from their mistakes. I'm a bit put off that Lucas
> is replacing the voices for the stormtroopers and Boba Fett with Temura
> Morrisons voice. I feel that's very disrespecful to the original actors.
> This also goes for Iain McDairmid replacing 'Empire's' Emperor and
> Hayden Christiansen replacing 'Jedi's' Darth Vader, but I can see why
> both things were done.
If Lucas wants to make Episodes I-VI a complete, consistent package then he
has to do these things, I suppose.
> Great news on Han's dubious reputation being
> restored in the greedo fight. I hope Lucas relents and includes the
> original, un-altered SW IV, V, VI on the DVD's.
No chance.
> Pity about a further
> appearance of Jarjar. As for 'vicious Ewoks'; YAY!!! :o))
>
> One more thing George: We want more Jek Porkins!!!
> http://www.jekporkins.net/ ;)
>
> Um Alex, can I steal your post for another group?
The list itself isn't mine, so go ahead.
Alex
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm35mb$hnvk6$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> OMG! This, if done to world class standard, it could be really good.
>> Lucas has had his fair share of dodgy CG from ILM(!?), it's true, but
>> they may have learned from their mistakes. I'm a bit put off that
>> Lucas is replacing the voices for the stormtroopers and Boba Fett
>> with Temura Morrisons voice. I feel that's very disrespecful to the
>> original actors. This also goes for Iain McDairmid replacing
>> 'Empire's' Emperor and Hayden Christiansen replacing 'Jedi's' Darth
>> Vader, but I can see why both things were done.
>
> If Lucas wants to make Episodes I-VI a complete, consistent package
> then he has to do these things, I suppose.
Yep, true.
>> Great news on Han's dubious reputation being
>> restored in the greedo fight. I hope Lucas relents and includes the
>> original, un-altered SW IV, V, VI on the DVD's.
>
> No chance.
Hmm
>> Pity about a further
>> appearance of Jarjar. As for 'vicious Ewoks'; YAY!!! :o))
>>
>> One more thing George: We want more Jek Porkins!!!
>> http://www.jekporkins.net/ ;)
>>
>> Um Alex, can I steal your post for another group?
>
> The list itself isn't mine, so go ahead.
>
> Alex
Thanks! :)
Syn
Dr Zoidberg.
> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>
> Episode IV: A New Hope
>
> 01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first
> appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
>
> 02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme
> plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as
> he talks about Vader.
Thats fair enough
>
> 03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of
> lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
Again , no problems with that
>
> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
I don't think we really need to see that.
>
> 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced
> with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
Hmmmm
>
> 06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced
> with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers
> cauterize wounds.
Ok
>
> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been
> restored.
Woo hoo
>
> 08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps
> on his tale.
Good , that scene really grated
>
> 09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a
> CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was
> added.
>
> 10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG
> shots have been added.
Should be an improvement
>
> 11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers
> was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star
> Destroyers' fire.
Like most of these changes it will depend entirely on how well the new cgi
blends in.
>
> 12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of
> Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by
> all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see
> more of the creature.
The what?
>
> 14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly
> altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels.
Fairynuff
>
> 15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
Erm , yay?
>
> 16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
Good
>
> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
> stormtroopers.
Really?
So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>
> 18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic
> and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the
> Fates is being considered for the scene.
I've heard this will be worryingly like the yoad lightsaber battle which
will be hideous
>
> 19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated.
> When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar
> to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
Good , they were really piss poor.
>
> 20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters
> and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo
> starfighters being used by the Rebels.
Bonus
>
> 21. There's a new scene(shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader
> goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku
> does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is
> all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with
> Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a
> new potential who is strong in the Force.
Meh!
> 22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Yay.
>
> Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
>
> 01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
>
> 02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships
> land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit.
> There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers
> featuring new ships and vehicles.
Cool
> 03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba
> Fett and all the stormtroopers.
>
> 04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
>
> 05. The slug monster is CG.
Ok , as long as the cgi fits
>
> 06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The
> conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features
> a few connections to the prequels.
>
> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
That could be bad
>
> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in
> pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to
> Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
I'm not sure that makes much sense
>
> 09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
>
> 10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen
> using a stuntman.
>
>
> Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
>
> 12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been
> replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older.
> Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he
> caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells
> his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister.
> Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
Really not convinced by this
>
> 13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see
> an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo
> celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans.
Just before he dies
Painfully?
> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up
> to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with
> the spirit of Padme by his side.
>
Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger"
"Then I hide until it goes away"
Alex Peckover
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> Alex Peckover wrote:
>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>
>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>>
>> 01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first
>> appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
>>
>> 02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme
>> plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as
>> he talks about Vader.
>
> Thats fair enough
This and a lot of the changes are there to turn Episodes I through VI in to
a consistent package, rather than Episodes I-III being merely afterthought
prequels to Episodes IV-VI.
>> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been
>> restored.
>
> Woo hoo
My thoughts exactly.
>>
>> 08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps
>> on his tale.
>
> Good , that scene really grated
Again, my thoughts exactly.
>>
>> 11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers
>> was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star
>> Destroyers' fire.
>
> Like most of these changes it will depend entirely on how well the new
> cgi blends in.
A lot of the Death Star sequence in the Special Edition version of Episode
IV was CGI and that looked great.
>>
>> 12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of
>> Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by
>> all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
>
>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see
>> more of the creature.
>
> The what?
Dunno mate. :-)
>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>> stormtroopers.
>
> Really?
> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
Yes, but as I said on UMTSS Lucas can hardly say that the Stormtroopers are
clones and then say oooops, no they aren't.
>>
>> 18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic
>> and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the
>> Fates is being considered for the scene.
>
> I've heard this will be worryingly like the yoad lightsaber battle which
> will be hideous
I doubt it, the only similarity I can see is the use of a stuntman with
Alec Guiness' face added on digitally which is what they did with
Christopher Lee in Episode II. They won't do a full CGI job.
>>
>> 19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated.
>> When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar
>> to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
>
> Good , they were really piss poor.
I seem to remember when I first saw this in Episode II I had to bite my
tongue to stop myself from shouting "Cool! Death Star plans!" :-)
>>
>> 21. There's a new scene(shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader
>> goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku
>> does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is
>> all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with
>> Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a
>> new potential who is strong in the Force.
>
> Meh!
See UMTSS - Dave mentioned that when he first saw it (he was six) he didn't
understand where Vader went. It's pointless trying to make Vader's fate a
mystery when his picture is on the sleeve of the DVD sitting on the couch
next to you.
>> 22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
>
> Yay.
>>
>> Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
>>
>> 01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
>>
>> 02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships
>> land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit.
>> There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers
>> featuring new ships and vehicles.
>
> Cool
<Crap Advert>Excellente</Crap Advert>
>> 05. The slug monster is CG.
>
> Ok , as long as the cgi fits
We've come a long way since the Special Editions.
>> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
>> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
>> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
>
> That could be bad
Nah, I don't think so. Episode II Yoda is so much better than Episode I
Yoda, so I expect the improvement to continue.
>>
>> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
>> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in
>> pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to
>> Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
>
> I'm not sure that makes much sense
Perhaps an early sign that Vader is turning back towards the Light Side ? I
mean he goes from trying to force Luke over to the Dark Side to chucking
the Emperor down a shaft in the space of about ten seconds.
>> Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
>>
>
>> 12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been
>> replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older.
>> Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he
>> caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells
>> his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister.
>> Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
>
> Really not convinced by this
Again, if Lucas wants to make everything a complete package then there has
to be some work to make everything consistent.
>>
>> 13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see
>> an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo
>> celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans.
>
> Just before he dies
>
> Painfully?
Don't be mean. Besides, the kids like Jar Jar too much.
>
>> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up
>> to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with
>> the spirit of Padme by his side.
>>
> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
Not for me - after all Lucas has hardly gone around replacing people
randomly. He has stuck with the likes of Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels,
Kenny Baker and Frank Oz for the prequels when he didn't really *need* to
(especially Mayhew and Baker who are just guys in suits, no-one would know
the difference). He even brought back Femi Taylor (the dancer Oola in RotJ)
when he needed to do some reshoots for the Special Edition over a decade
after she originally played the part.
He is just making things consistent so that when when you sit down and
watch Episodes I through VI you don't wonder why the Emperor looks
completely different in The Empire Strikes Back.
Alex
synaptyx
> Alex Peckover wrote:
>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>
>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
>> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>
> I don't think we really need to see that.
That's George over-doing things because he can.
>> 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced
>> with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
>
> Hmmmm
Not sure I like this.
>> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been
>> restored.
>
> Woo hoo
or OMFGWTFBBQ!!! :o))))
>> 08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps
>> on his tale.
>
> Good , that scene really grated
Some of the dodgiest CG ever.
>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see
>> more of the creature.
>
> The what?
The creature under the water in the garbage compactor. :)
>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>> stormtroopers.
>
> Really?
> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>> 18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic
>> and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the
>> Fates is being considered for the scene.
>
> I've heard this will be worryingly like the yoad lightsaber battle
> which will be hideous
This certainly puts the fear in me.
>> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
>> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
>> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
>
> That could be bad
I don't know, ep II's Yoda was pretty cool.
>> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
>> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in
>> pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to
>> Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
>
> I'm not sure that makes much sense
If chewie was in a cell, how would he have gotten the broken C3PO in the
first place? Surely Vader wouldn't have let them wander about Cloud City on
their own once he had them.
>> 12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been
>> replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older.
>> Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he
>> caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells
>> his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister.
>> Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
>
> Really not convinced by this
>> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up
>> to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with
>> the spirit of Padme by his side.
>>
> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated before,
George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept with the possible
exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
Syn
synaptyx
> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
>
> Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated before,
> George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept with the
> possible exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
Just to change my viewpoint slightly:
As Alex has correctly pointed out, Lucas needs to make the releases
consistent. It's a shame that the original actors are being discarded, but
it is necesarry. One more thing; Jeremy Bullock didn't voice Boba Fett did
he? Wasn't just a guy in a suit ala Prowse as Vader?
Syn
Alex Peckover
> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>>
>>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>
>>> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
>>> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>>
>> I don't think we really need to see that.
>
> That's George over-doing things because he can.
Agreed.
>>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see
>>> more of the creature.
>>
>> The what?
>
> The creature under the water in the garbage compactor. :)
THANK YOU!!!
>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>> stormtroopers.
>>
>> Really?
>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>
> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had flaws which
sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in the films.
>>> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
>>> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in
>>> pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to
>>> Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
>>
>> I'm not sure that makes much sense
>
>
> If chewie was in a cell, how would he have gotten the broken C3PO in the
> first place? Surely Vader wouldn't have let them wander about Cloud City
> on their own once he had them.
He is put in a cell with Han, I think. This is when he puts Threepio's head
on backwards, and then carries him around in a backpack until they escape.
>>> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up
>>> to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with
>>> the spirit of Padme by his side.
>>>
>> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
>
> Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated before,
> George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept with the possible
> exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
As I said elsewhere, he doesn't just do these things randomly. He has
called back actors (such as Kenny Baker and Peter Mayhew) who he didn't
really need to.
Alex
Alex Peckover
I am not sure about this. Jeremy Bulloch was definitely the body, but AFAIK
the voice actor was not credited in the original release, just as James
Earl Jones was not credited as the voice of Vader until the Special
Editions came out.
Alex
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm39ka$i89ma$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>>>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>>>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>>>
>>>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>>
>>>> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
>>>> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>>>
>>> I don't think we really need to see that.
>>
>> That's George over-doing things because he can.
>
> Agreed.
>
>>>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to
>>>> see more of the creature.
>>>
>>> The what?
>>
>> The creature under the water in the garbage compactor. :)
>
> THANK YOU!!!
;)
>>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>
>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>
> Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had flaws
> which sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in the films.
Ah, I've never read any of the comics or books. Well, that's a lie really. I
read one that had a giant female wookie like thing fall in love with Chewie
(she was like 60ft tall or something!). And one that had Boba Fett as a good
guy on the side of the rebellion and he was white with blond hair LOL.
>>>> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
>>>> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO
>>>> in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken
>>>> droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that makes much sense
>>
>> If chewie was in a cell, how would he have gotten the broken C3PO in
>> the first place? Surely Vader wouldn't have let them wander about
>> Cloud City on their own once he had them.
>
> He is put in a cell with Han, I think. This is when he puts
> Threepio's head on backwards, and then carries him around in a
> backpack until they escape.
Yep, but chewie found him in bits and had to fight with the Uganaughts to
get the parts back. Did he do this while he was supposed to be locked up. My
memory is a little weak here as I haven't seen ESB in about 3 years.
>>>> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with
>>>> make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son
>>>> Luke with
>>>> the spirit of Padme by his side.
>>>>
>>> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
>> Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated
>> before, George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept with
>> the possible exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
>
> As I said elsewhere, he doesn't just do these things randomly. He has
> called back actors (such as Kenny Baker and Peter Mayhew) who he
> didn't really need to.
Yep, see my change of viewpoint post. :)
Syn
synaptyx
Bulloch sorry.
Found a few surprises on IMDB.
Treat Williams.... Jess Allashane (Echo Base trooper)/Jerrol Blendin (Cloud
City trooper) (uncredited) :oO
Jason Wingreen.... Boba Fett (uncredited) (voice) Solved!
John Ratzenberger.... Major Derlin :oO
John Hollis.... Lando's Aide (ws once Ernst Stavro Blofeld)
Syn
Dr Zoidberg.
> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>>
>>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>
>>> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
>>> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>>
>> I don't think we really need to see that.
>
> That's George over-doing things because he can.
>
>>> 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced
>>> with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
>>
>> Hmmmm
>
>
> Not sure I like this.
>
>>> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been
>>> restored.
>>
>> Woo hoo
>
>
> or OMFGWTFBBQ!!! :o))))
welcome to fuckin barbecue?
>>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to
>>> see more of the creature.
>>
>> The what?
>
> The creature under the water in the garbage compactor. :)
Ah
>
>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>> stormtroopers.
>>
>> Really?
>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>
> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
It certainly wasn't the case in any of the (admittedly non-canon) books ,
and there were size differences between the troopers.
Plus when the first film was made, the clone wars were portrayed as being
over and done with a long time ago.
>>> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
>>> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
>>> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
>>
>> That could be bad
>
> I don't know, ep II's Yoda was pretty cool.
right up until the bit when he started bouncing around
synaptyx
Adding more:
Phil Tippett.... Cantina alien (uncredited)
Rick McCallum.... Stormtrooper (special edition) (uncredited)
Rick Baker.... Cantina alien (uncredited)
Syn :)
Alex Peckover
>>>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>>
>>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>>
>> Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had flaws
>> which sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in the films.
>
> Ah, I've never read any of the comics or books. Well, that's a lie
> really. I read one that had a giant female wookie like thing fall in
> love with Chewie (she was like 60ft tall or something!). And one that
> had Boba Fett as a good guy on the side of the rebellion and he was
> white with blond hair LOL.
Now you see that's just plain wrong! :-)
>>>>> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they
>>>>> capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO
>>>>> in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken
>>>>> droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that makes much sense
>>>
>>> If chewie was in a cell, how would he have gotten the broken C3PO in
>>> the first place? Surely Vader wouldn't have let them wander about
>>> Cloud City on their own once he had them.
>>
>> He is put in a cell with Han, I think. This is when he puts
>> Threepio's head on backwards, and then carries him around in a
>> backpack until they escape.
>
> Yep, but chewie found him in bits and had to fight with the Uganaughts to
> get the parts back. Did he do this while he was supposed to be locked
> up. My memory is a little weak here as I haven't seen ESB in about 3
> years.
I can't remember the exact sequence of events. IIRC, Threepio gets
seperated from the rest of the group, wanders in to the machine shop where
he meets another Protocol Droid ("Intruder!" "How rude!") and then gets
blown to pieces. Chewie hears this, but sticks with the Leia, Han and
Lando. Later, they are in their nice apartment room where Lando is flirting
with Leia when Han says that no-one has seen Threepio since they arrived.
Chewie goes looking for him and finds his head.
Now, this is what I *think* happens. Chewie finds the rest of the parts and
takes them back to the apartment, but he doesn't have time to put them back
together. He then goes with Leia, Han and Lando to the conference room
where they are captured by Vader. In the meantime, Vader's guards search
the apartment and find Threepio. For some reason they take Threepio to
Vader and then Vader recognises him, and some shred of what's left of
Anakin inside him decides to send the parts to Chewie so he can be
repaired.
Alex
Alex Peckover
> Alex Peckover wrote:
>> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:bm3a44$gtpnk$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>>> synaptyx wrote:
>>>> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
>>>>
>>>> Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated
>>>> before, George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept with
>>>> the possible exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
>>>
>>> Just to change my viewpoint slightly:
>>>
>>> As Alex has correctly pointed out, Lucas needs to make the releases
>>> consistent. It's a shame that the original actors are being
>>> discarded, but it is necesarry. One more thing; Jeremy Bullock
>>> didn't voice Boba Fett did he? Wasn't just a guy in a suit ala
>>> Prowse as Vader?
>>
>> I am not sure about this. Jeremy Bulloch was definitely the body, but
>> AFAIK the voice actor was not credited in the original release, just
>> as James Earl Jones was not credited as the voice of Vader until the
>> Special Editions came out.
>
> Bulloch sorry.
Never mind, he's only my Mum's ex-boyfriend. :-)
>
> Found a few surprises on IMDB.
>
> Treat Williams.... Jess Allashane (Echo Base trooper)/Jerrol Blendin
> (Cloud City trooper) (uncredited) :oO
> Jason Wingreen.... Boba Fett (uncredited) (voice) Solved!
> John Ratzenberger.... Major Derlin :oO
> John Hollis.... Lando's Aide (ws once Ernst Stavro Blofeld)
I knew about Ratzenberger, he's clearly visible. As for John Hollis, by
Lando's Aide does that mean the bald guy with the computer attached to his
head ?
Alex
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm3ahd$i8au0$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>>>>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all
>>>>>> the stormtroopers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>>>
>>>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>>>
>>> Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had flaws
>>> which sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in the films.
>>
>> Ah, I've never read any of the comics or books. Well, that's a lie
>> really. I read one that had a giant female wookie like thing fall in
>> love with Chewie (she was like 60ft tall or something!). And one that
>> had Boba Fett as a good guy on the side of the rebellion and he was
>> white with blond hair LOL.
>
> Now you see that's just plain wrong! :-)
Giant wookies, or goody Fett?
Ah! It's all coming back to me now. Thanks Alex. :)
Syn
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm3bc7$hhk3d$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>>> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bm3a44$gtpnk$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>>>> synaptyx wrote:
>>>>> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Taking out actors completely leaves me feeling a little uneasy
>>>>>
>>>>> Same here. It seems very disrespectful, but as has been stated
>>>>> before, George Lucas really doesn't care what we think, (exept
>>>>> with the possible exception of the Greedo-shoots-first thing).
>>>>
>>>> Just to change my viewpoint slightly:
>>>>
>>>> As Alex has correctly pointed out, Lucas needs to make the releases
>>>> consistent. It's a shame that the original actors are being
>>>> discarded, but it is necesarry. One more thing; Jeremy Bullock
>>>> didn't voice Boba Fett did he? Wasn't just a guy in a suit ala
>>>> Prowse as Vader?
>>>
>>> I am not sure about this. Jeremy Bulloch was definitely the body,
>>> but AFAIK the voice actor was not credited in the original release,
>>> just as James Earl Jones was not credited as the voice of Vader
>>> until the Special Editions came out.
>>
>> Bulloch sorry.
>
> Never mind, he's only my Mum's ex-boyfriend. :-)
I'd forgotten about that, LOL! :)
>> Found a few surprises on IMDB.
>>
>> Treat Williams.... Jess Allashane (Echo Base trooper)/Jerrol Blendin
>> (Cloud City trooper) (uncredited) :oO
>> Jason Wingreen.... Boba Fett (uncredited) (voice) Solved!
>> John Ratzenberger.... Major Derlin :oO
>> John Hollis.... Lando's Aide (ws once Ernst Stavro Blofeld)
>
> I knew about Ratzenberger, he's clearly visible. As for John Hollis,
> by Lando's Aide does that mean the bald guy with the computer
> attached to his head ?
I'm assuming they mean Lobot, yes the bald guy. He's permanently wired into
the city's main computer and can control things city-wide. Apparently his
back story is that he was a criminal who, as punishment, had his brain taken
over by an AI (the thing on his head).
Syn
Alex Peckover
>>>> Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had flaws
>>>> which sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in the films.
>>>
>>> Ah, I've never read any of the comics or books. Well, that's a lie
>>> really. I read one that had a giant female wookie like thing fall in
>>> love with Chewie (she was like 60ft tall or something!). And one that
>>> had Boba Fett as a good guy on the side of the rebellion and he was
>>> white with blond hair LOL.
>>
>> Now you see that's just plain wrong! :-)
>
> Giant wookies, or goody Fett?
Blond Fett! :-)
>>> Yep, but chewie found him in bits and had to fight with the
>>> Uganaughts to get the parts back. Did he do this while he was
>>> supposed to be locked up. My memory is a little weak here as I
>>> haven't seen ESB in about 3 years.
>>
>> I can't remember the exact sequence of events. IIRC, Threepio gets
>> seperated from the rest of the group, wanders in to the machine shop
>> where he meets another Protocol Droid ("Intruder!" "How rude!") and
>> then gets blown to pieces. Chewie hears this, but sticks with the
>> Leia, Han and Lando. Later, they are in their nice apartment room
>> where Lando is flirting with Leia when Han says that no-one has seen
>> Threepio since they arrived. Chewie goes looking for him and finds
>> his head.
>>
>> Now, this is what I *think* happens. Chewie finds the rest of the
>> parts and takes them back to the apartment, but he doesn't have time
>> to put them back together. He then goes with Leia, Han and Lando to
>> the conference room where they are captured by Vader. In the
>> meantime, Vader's guards search the apartment and find Threepio. For
>> some reason they take Threepio to Vader and then Vader recognises
>> him, and some shred of what's left of Anakin inside him decides to
>> send the parts to Chewie so he can be repaired.
>>
>> Alex
>
> Ah! It's all coming back to me now. Thanks Alex. :)
As I say, the second paragraph is me retconning the new scene in to the
actual continuity.
James Earl Jones is providing the voice of Vader for Episode III so he
would have been around to do the new scene if needed.
Alex
Alex Peckover
>>> Found a few surprises on IMDB.
>>>
>>> Treat Williams.... Jess Allashane (Echo Base trooper)/Jerrol Blendin
>>> (Cloud City trooper) (uncredited) :oO
>>> Jason Wingreen.... Boba Fett (uncredited) (voice) Solved!
>>> John Ratzenberger.... Major Derlin :oO
>>> John Hollis.... Lando's Aide (ws once Ernst Stavro Blofeld)
>>
>> I knew about Ratzenberger, he's clearly visible. As for John Hollis,
>> by Lando's Aide does that mean the bald guy with the computer
>> attached to his head ?
>
> I'm assuming they mean Lobot, yes the bald guy. He's permanently wired
> into the city's main computer and can control things city-wide.
> Apparently his back story is that he was a criminal who, as punishment,
> had his brain taken over by an AI (the thing on his head).
Well it came in handy, Lando subtly tells him to get the guards when he
releases Leia and Chewie so they can go after Boba Fett.
Alex
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm3dlg$i3bh0$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>>>>> Apparently, the Expanded Universe suggests that the clones had
>>>>> flaws which sent them all mad, but that is never referred to in
>>>>> the films.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, I've never read any of the comics or books. Well, that's a lie
>>>> really. I read one that had a giant female wookie like thing fall
>>>> in love with Chewie (she was like 60ft tall or something!). And
>>>> one that had Boba Fett as a good guy on the side of the rebellion
>>>> and he was white with blond hair LOL.
>>>
>>> Now you see that's just plain wrong! :-)
>>
>> Giant wookies, or goody Fett?
>
> Blond Fett! :-)
LOL. ;)
>>>> Yep, but chewie found him in bits and had to fight with the
>>>> Uganaughts to get the parts back. Did he do this while he was
>>>> supposed to be locked up. My memory is a little weak here as I
>>>> haven't seen ESB in about 3 years.
>>>
>>> I can't remember the exact sequence of events. IIRC, Threepio gets
>>> seperated from the rest of the group, wanders in to the machine shop
>>> where he meets another Protocol Droid ("Intruder!" "How rude!") and
>>> then gets blown to pieces. Chewie hears this, but sticks with the
>>> Leia, Han and Lando. Later, they are in their nice apartment room
>>> where Lando is flirting with Leia when Han says that no-one has seen
>>> Threepio since they arrived. Chewie goes looking for him and finds
>>> his head.
>>>
>>> Now, this is what I *think* happens. Chewie finds the rest of the
>>> parts and takes them back to the apartment, but he doesn't have time
>>> to put them back together. He then goes with Leia, Han and Lando to
>>> the conference room where they are captured by Vader. In the
>>> meantime, Vader's guards search the apartment and find Threepio. For
>>> some reason they take Threepio to Vader and then Vader recognises
>>> him, and some shred of what's left of Anakin inside him decides to
>>> send the parts to Chewie so he can be repaired.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>
>> Ah! It's all coming back to me now. Thanks Alex. :)
>
> As I say, the second paragraph is me retconning the new scene in to
> the actual continuity.
k
> James Earl Jones is providing the voice of Vader for Episode III so he
> would have been around to do the new scene if needed.
>
> Alex
Excellent! I was worried they were going to get a soundalike as James Earl
Jones has been in poor health recently. Hope he's fit now.
Syn
Alex Peckover
>> James Earl Jones is providing the voice of Vader for Episode III so he
>> would have been around to do the new scene if needed.
>>
>> Alex
>
> Excellent! I was worried they were going to get a soundalike as James
> Earl Jones has been in poor health recently. Hope he's fit now.
It was either a matter of him doing the voice, or them not including it at
all. No-one else can do Vader on screen, the computer games are different
as nobody is all that bothered.
I expect he got more than the $7,000 he got for the original Star Wars,
though. :-)
Alex
synaptyx
> "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:bm3fnv$ibfuo$1...@ID-39472.news.uni-berlin.de
>>> James Earl Jones is providing the voice of Vader for Episode III so
>>> he would have been around to do the new scene if needed.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>
>> Excellent! I was worried they were going to get a soundalike as James
>> Earl Jones has been in poor health recently. Hope he's fit now.
>
> It was either a matter of him doing the voice, or them not including
> it at all. No-one else can do Vader on screen, the computer games are
> different as nobody is all that bothered.
I suppose.
> I expect he got more than the $7,000 he got for the original Star
> Wars, though. :-)
LOL!!! Wow! ;)
Syn
synaptyx
Zoidberg." <AlexNOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> stirred in it's sickly
broiling vapor, throttled a nearby Vl'Hurg, then wrote:
>synaptyx wrote:
>> Dr Zoidberg. wrote:
>>> Alex Peckover wrote:
>>>> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to
>>>> the Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>>>>
>>>> Episode IV: A New Hope
>>
>>>> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of
>>>> Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>>>
>>> I don't think we really need to see that.
>>
>> That's George over-doing things because he can.
>>
>>>> 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced
>>>> with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm
>>
>>
>> Not sure I like this.
>>
>>>> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been
>>>> restored.
>>>
>>> Woo hoo
>>
>>
>> or OMFGWTFBBQ!!! :o))))
>
>welcome to fuckin barbecue?
Something like that. :)
>>>> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to
>>>> see more of the creature.
>>>
>>> The what?
>>
>> The creature under the water in the garbage compactor. :)
>
>Ah
>>
>>>> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>
>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>
>It certainly wasn't the case in any of the (admittedly non-canon) books ,
>and there were size differences between the troopers.
>Plus when the first film was made, the clone wars were portrayed as being
>over and done with a long time ago.
>
>>>> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
>>>> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
>>>> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
>>>
>>> That could be bad
>>
>> I don't know, ep II's Yoda was pretty cool.
>
>right up until the bit when he started bouncing around
I liked that.
Syn :)
Alex Peckover
news:mklaovc9ldv83607g...@4ax.com
>>>>> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
>>>>> emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes
>>>>> featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
>>>>
>>>> That could be bad
>>>
>>> I don't know, ep II's Yoda was pretty cool.
>>
>> right up until the bit when he started bouncing around
>
> I liked that.
So did I. Ignore the silly Crustacean. :-)
Alex
Dr Zoidberg.
Paul Harper
>Um Alex, can I steal your post for another group?
Make sure you change "tale" into "tail" (ep. VI point 08)
<grin>
Paul.
--
A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality
JMS: "SFX is a fairly useless publication on just about every imaginable front.
Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so little, with so much, for so long."
Alex Peckover
news:5joaov0jgon0lp87s...@4ax.com
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:18:30 +0100, "synaptyx" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Um Alex, can I steal your post for another group?
>
> Make sure you change "tale" into "tail" (ep. VI point 08)
>
> <grin>
The spelling is awful throughout, I'm afraid.
Alex
Christian Smith
<al...@SPAMOFF.uklinux.net> wrote
Me too.
Christian
--
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But she had great taste in costumes." (Rachel Summers Excalibur #65)
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Christian Smith
>era Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>>
>>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>>
>>It certainly wasn't the case in any of the (admittedly non-canon) books ,
>>and there were size differences between the troopers.
>>Plus when the first film was made, the clone wars were portrayed as being
>>over and done with a long time ago.
The canon books (everything after Heir to the Empire) establish that
while the original troopers were clones, there was agenetic flaw which
led to the establishment of the Imperial Academy to train and develop
non-clone troopers
One of those Academy cadets has been established conclusively as a
Correlian known as Han Solo who left the academy under mysterious
circumstances after an incident on Kashyyk involving a the escape of a
Wookie slave
Dr Zoidberg.
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:38:53 +0100,synaptyx <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> era Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>>>
>>>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>>>
>>> It certainly wasn't the case in any of the (admittedly non-canon)
>>> books , and there were size differences between the troopers.
>>> Plus when the first film was made, the clone wars were portrayed as
>>> being over and done with a long time ago.
>
> The canon books (everything after Heir to the Empire) establish that
> while the original troopers were clones, there was agenetic flaw which
> led to the establishment of the Imperial Academy to train and develop
> non-clone troopers
The Timothy Zahn books went into a fair amount of detail about the problems
of cloning , in particular the problems with clones going mad if grown too
fast.
>
> One of those Academy cadets has been established conclusively as a
> Correlian known as Han Solo who left the academy under mysterious
> circumstances after an incident on Kashyyk involving a the escape of a
> Wookie slave
>
I thought Han was training to be an officer in the fleet rather than just a
trooper?
Christian Smith
<AlexNOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote
>Christian Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:38:53 +0100,synaptyx <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> era Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
>>>>>>> stormtroopers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>> So they are now saying that all stormtroopers are clones?
>>>>>> Thats quite a change from the existing storyline
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it? I thought it was always implied they we're clones.
>>>>
>>>> It certainly wasn't the case in any of the (admittedly non-canon)
>>>> books , and there were size differences between the troopers.
>>>> Plus when the first film was made, the clone wars were portrayed as
>>>> being over and done with a long time ago.
>>
>> The canon books (everything after Heir to the Empire) establish that
>> while the original troopers were clones, there was agenetic flaw which
>> led to the establishment of the Imperial Academy to train and develop
>> non-clone troopers
>
>The Timothy Zahn books went into a fair amount of detail about the problems
>of cloning , in particular the problems with clones going mad if grown too
>fast.
>>
Which is why I like the explanation given later for why the clone
troops never worked
>> One of those Academy cadets has been established conclusively as a
>> Correlian known as Han Solo who left the academy under mysterious
>> circumstances after an incident on Kashyyk involving a the escape of a
>> Wookie slave
>>
>I thought Han was training to be an officer in the fleet rather than just a
>trooper?
AFAIK, the academy trained both so you're probably right, but I
definitely remember Storm-Trooper trainees in the Corellian Trilogy
Sean Murphy
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What are the chances of them pushing up the release date to
say............tomorrow? =)
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"Alex Peckover" <al...@SPAMOFF.uklinux.net> wrote in message
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> Supposedly, this is a list of further changes made or being made to the
> Star Wars Special Editions for the eventual DVD release.
>
> Episode IV: A New Hope
>
> 01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on
> Princess Leia's ship.
>
> 02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays
> in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks
> about Vader.
>
> 03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of
> lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
>
> 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode
> III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
>
> 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced with
> Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
>
> 06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a
> non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
>
> 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
>
> 08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on
his
> tale.
>
> 09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG
R2
> navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
>
> 10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots
> have been added.
>
> 11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was
> modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star
Destroyers'
> fire.
>
> 12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's
> reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those
> deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
> 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more
> of the creature.
>
> 14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to
> show similar displays to those in the prequels.
>
> 15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
>
> 16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
>
> 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the
> stormtroopers.
>
> 18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and
> there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is
> being considered for the scene.
>
> 19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When
the
> Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans
we
> see in Attack of the Clones.
>
> 20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and
more
> Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being
used
> by the Rebels.
>
> 21. There's a new scene(shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to
> Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the
> end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and
it
> is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness
> for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the
> Force.
>
> 22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
>
>
> Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
>
> 01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
>
> 02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land
on
> Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a
> ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new
> ships and vehicles.
>
> 03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and
> all the stormtroopers.
>
> 04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
>
> 05. The slug monster is CG.
>
> 06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations
> between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections
to
> the prequels.
>
> 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of
emotions
> yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda
> instructing Luke have been restored.
>
> 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture
> Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces.
Vader
> orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so
> that he can fix him.
>
> 09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
>
> 10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a
> stuntman.
>
>
> Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
>
> 01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
>
> 02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
>
> 03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan
> now.
>
> 04. The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them.
>
> 05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is
> talking with Leia about their mother.
>
> 06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all
> the stormtroopers.
>
> 07. In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more
> vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now.
>
> 08. White boxes around ships removed.
>
> 09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
>
> 10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been
> redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
>
> 11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the
> Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
>
> 12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been
replaced
> with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much
> more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his
> son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the
Jedi
> and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It
> is finished...".
>
> 13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an
aged
> Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with
> the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now
unable
> to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes
> Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at
> the Ewok tree village.
>
> 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to
> make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit
> of Padme by his side.
>
> Alex
>
>