Code for Frog's windows M2news
Frog-Admin
I enhanced the code for the windows m2news
(That is only about V1, using a NewsServer like Dnews,
V0, using RELIABLE's posting capabilities, does not benefit the modification)
The "duplicate messages",
(caused by same post being already injected through another m2news)
are now automatically handled (discarded).
Now, only "other problems" (misspelled newsgroup name ...),
which would really benefit human care,
land in the "\error" folder.
At Frog's, since the modification,
the number of messages in "\error" folder dropped from hundreds to handful.
Frog's Support for News
http://frogadmin.yi.org/News/
http://frogadmin.yi.org/News/Tek_V1.html
http://frogadmin.yi.org/DownLoads1/~~MovFilesNNTP1.zip
If you want to set up a windows m2news,
contact me if you want tips about configuration, filtering, peering...
I will share the few things I know
_____________________________________________________________
The more m2news, the better
Peter Palfrader tries to harm the m2news by all possible means.
- -trying to harm the propagation:
see the hard evidence in news:slrnbe7kcb.pfp...@valiant.palfrader.org
- -starting design abuse: like the episode with cancel in german abuse NG
- -trying to flood the m2news:
the chart is truncated:
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/Browse.html
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NQTE_20030401.gif
http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NMOD_20030601.gif
here is the data:
#2003-06-12# 720 2 051 392
#2003-06-13# 11 679 56 561 386
#2003-06-14# 2 887 24 188 809
#2003-06-15# 1 146 10 100 046
#2003-06-16# 710 5 238 164
- -posting false information about the m2news' capabilities: like last year
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Nomen Nescio
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
<snip>
> The more m2news, the better
> Peter Palfrader tries to harm the m2news by all possible means.
> - -trying to harm the propagation:
> see the hard evidence in news:slrnbe7kcb.pfp...@valiant.palfrader.org
> - -starting design abuse: like the episode with cancel in german abuse NG
What's wrong with his message? Is there something factually
incorrect about it that you are trying to point out? It doesn't seem
like any form of abuse, just an observation.
> - -trying to flood the m2news:
> the chart is truncated:
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/Browse.html
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NQTE_20030401.gif
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NMOD_20030601.gif
> here is the data:
> #2003-06-12# 720 2 051 392
> #2003-06-13# 11 679 56 561 386
> #2003-06-14# 2 887 24 188 809
> #2003-06-15# 1 146 10 100 046
> #2003-06-16# 710 5 238 164
What does this tell me? How do these numbers make Peter Palfrader
guilty of anything? You seem to think they are glaring proof of his
guilt, but nobody else understands why.
> - -posting false information about the m2news' capabilities: like last year
Like last year? This doesn't even constitute evidence, let alone
suggest guilt of anything.
This guy is the lead programmer for the ongoing development of
Mixmaster. He's highly regarded for his programming abilities both
within and outside the anonymity community. Why are you attacking
him, but unable to provide any factual evidence? Without this, you
only damage your own image.
Please don't duck these questions, they aren't meant to be trolling,
just a simple request for information.
Nomen Nescio
><snip>
This poster raises issues that should be addressed.
Frog Admin, I've always admired and appreciated your work. I've used your
services and been grateful for them. I've written to apas on many
occasions to thank you for the many useful things you post here, including
answers to questions I've had. And I would like you thank you now for
sticking around despite your travails.
In recent months, however, you have undermined your reputation and value.
You've done this yourself. Yes, you were provoked. But in the end it was
your reaction to the provocation that undermined you.
It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
conclusive.
It also remains a fact that some of your actions have resulted in many
other remailers blocking you.
Continue to think whatever you like. But please do whatever you may need
to do to end this sad state of affairs.
I am not talking about anything that would compromise your principles. I
am talking about acknowledging whatever you may think were your errors and
correcting them. Or don't bother acknowleding them but correct them so
that other remops will have no reason or excuse to stop blocking you.
You are the only person who can do what you need to do. I sincerely hope
you do it.
Frog-Admin
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
>allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
>evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
>though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
>
>Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
>not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
>conclusive.
- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults
something which would not be tolerated in the workplace
- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have Frog M2news UDPed
- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information
- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with flooders and netcops against Frog
The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman motives is as compelling as can be, it's not even a textbook example, it's almost a caricature.
The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman flooding and other attacks is much more conclusive that anything they found to be enough against me: they fall by they *own* standards.
I repeatedly posted that there was a troll trying to pitch the remops against each other.
Palfrader and Sassaman embarked too joyfully in the anti-Frog bandwagon.
"Political stupidity" is an excuse with limited value, after a while one must consider that they indeed have a *vested interest* in fueling the campaign.
If they have such a potent *vested interest*, then everything is possible, including having fabricated floods and trolls to frame me.
>It also remains a fact that some of your actions have resulted in many
>other remailers blocking you.
It is not a beauty contest
>Continue to think whatever you like. But please do whatever you may need
>to do to end this sad state of affairs.
Invest in the WWW page to reference both the hard and circumstancial evidence.
>I am not talking about anything that would compromise your principles. I
>am talking about acknowledging whatever you may think were your errors and
>correcting them. Or don't bother acknowleding them but correct them so
>that other remops will have no reason or excuse to stop blocking you.
I should have blocked Randseed and Rot26 one year ago
I should not have burnt my eyes this winter, making me nearly unable to do anything
I should have invested sooner in WWW pages about:
- -the 5 flooders I outed
- -the netcops I disposed of
- -the way I ignore trolls, disinformation specialists and Frog-haters, the various *should* and coach flies
- -the Sassaman and Palfrader actions and motives, hard and circumstancial evidence
But I have a 26 hours/day schedule
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Anonymous Sender
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> >It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
> >allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
> >evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
> >though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
> >
> >Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
> >not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
> >conclusive.
>
> - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults
> something which would not be tolerated in the workplace
> - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have Frog M2news UDPed
> - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information
> - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with flooders and netcops against Frog
But where is all this evidence? You repeatedly make these
accusations in signed messages but have never once posted a single
fact or URL to support them.
Your statements are now archived and will constantly be referred back
to in much the same way as the Azerty debacle.
You display a false contact address in your Remailer messages - This
is abuse, no matter what the provocation might be.
You make accusations about named individuals in a public forum -
Whatever your reasons and whatever your provocation, you are still
guilty of doing it.
As for your attacks on Palfrader and Sassaman, you are like the Wylie
Coyote constantly chasing the Roadrunner: Nobody knows why you chase
and you will never catch, but your fumbled attempts provide good
childrens entertainment.
privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On 4 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
wrote:
And poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
You don't even mention poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN!
Why do you ignore poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
Do you know how badly you are bruising poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN's ego?
How can you be so cruel to poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
Do you know that poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN is so desperate for your
attention that he puts the B. and C. words in all his posts, just to
pretend that he was worth being b*schl**ed himself?
Self-delusion is a terrible thing, isn't it?
Please set a web page about poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN, or just add
something nasty against QS to your "Config for LES Dummies", or in
your stats.
Poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN is losing interest in life: he doesn't drink,
he doesn't eat, he can't sleep, he hardly masturbates ... he is
waiting for something from you.
Please ...
privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On 4 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
wrote:
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>
>On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>>It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
>>allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
>>evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
>>though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
>>
>>Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
>>not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
>>conclusive.
>
>- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults
> something which would not be tolerated in the workplace
>- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have
>Frog M2news UDPed
>- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information
>- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with
>flooders and netcops against Frog
You forgot the hard evidence of Sassaman's cowardice after 09/11
That was reason good enough for me to permanently bar randseed and
then nutshell from my list of remailers. I don't need a remailer which
will shut shop at the moment I'll need it most.
I don't know which business the idiot is in, but he is not in the
remailing business and he is not interested in end-users like me.
>The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman motives is as
>compelling as can be, it's not even a textbook example, it's almost a
>caricature.
>
>The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman flooding and
>other attacks is much more conclusive that anything they found to be
>enough against me: they fall by they *own* standards.
That's fair, but I regret that you lower yourself to their level
>I repeatedly posted that there was a troll trying to pitch the remops
>against each other.
>Palfrader and Sassaman embarked too joyfully in the anti-Frog bandwagon.
>"Political stupidity" is an excuse with limited value, after a while
>one must consider that they indeed have a *vested interest* in
>fueling the campaign.
>If they have such a potent *vested interest*, then everything is
>possible, including having fabricated floods and trolls to frame me.
That's an interesting reasoning.
privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
On 4 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
wrote:
And poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
You don't even mention poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN!
Why do you ignore poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
Do you know how badly you are bruising poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN's ego?
How can you be so cruel to poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
Do you know that poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN is so desperate for your
attention that he puts the B. and C. words in all his posts, just to
pretend that he was worth being b*schl**ed himself?
Self-delusion is a terrible thing, isn't it?
Please set a web page about RICHARD CHRISTMAN, or just add something
Tarapia Tapioco
>wrote:
>You don't even mention poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN!
>Why do you ignore poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
>Do you know how badly you are bruising poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN's ego?
>How can you be so cruel to poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN?
>
>Do you know that poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN is so desperate for your
>attention that he puts the B. and C. words in all his posts, just to
>pretend that he was worth being b*schl**ed himself?
>Self-delusion is a terrible thing, isn't it?
>
>Please set a web page about RICHARD CHRISTMAN, or just add something
>nasty against QS to your "Config for LES Dummies", or in your stats.
>Poor RICHARD CHRISTMAN is losing interest in life: he doesn't drink,
>he doesn't eat, he can't sleep, he hardly masturbates ... he is
>waiting for something from you.
>
>Please ...
WHO is Richard Christman?
Nomen Nescio
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On 4 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
wrote:
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>
>On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>>It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
>>allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
>>evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
>>though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
>>
>>Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
>>not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
>>conclusive.
>
>- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults
> something which would not be tolerated in the workplace
>- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have
>Frog M2news UDPed
>- -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information
>- -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with
>flooders and netcops against Frog
You forgot the hard evidence of Sassaman's cowardice after 09/11
That was reason good enough for me to permanently bar randseed and
then nutshell from my list of remailers. I don't need a remailer which
will shut shop at the moment I'll need it most.
I don't know which business the idiot is in, but he is not in the
remailing business and he is not interested in end-users like me.
>The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman motives is as
>compelling as can be, it's not even a textbook example, it's almost a
>caricature.
>
>The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman flooding and
>other attacks is much more conclusive that anything they found to be
>enough against me: they fall by they *own* standards.
That's fair, but I regret that you lower yourself to their level
>I repeatedly posted that there was a troll trying to pitch the remops
>against each other.
>Palfrader and Sassaman embarked too joyfully in the anti-Frog bandwagon.
>"Political stupidity" is an excuse with limited value, after a while
>one must consider that they indeed have a *vested interest* in
>fueling the campaign.
>If they have such a potent *vested interest*, then everything is
>possible, including having fabricated floods and trolls to frame me.
That's an interesting reasoning.
>>It also remains a fact that some of your actions have resulted in many
christian mock
Frog-Admin <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote:
> I should have invested sooner in WWW pages about:
[...]
> - -the Sassaman and Palfrader actions and motives, hard and
> circumstancial evidence
>
> But I have a 26 hours/day schedule
OK, enough is enough. austria dest-blk's frog too.
I resisted the temptation for a long time, because I believe a
fragmented remailer network is bad, and that this could be the
beginning of fragmentation, could set a precedent; that the network
could be too easily split by agents provocateurs.
This post, however, shows once again that you, frog-admin, are a
danger to the remailer network, and I came to the conclusion that that
danger is bigger than the danger of fragmentation.
Your way of handling conflicts just sucks; I will not discuss your
motives, because I don't know them. What I know, however, is that
you're actively harming the remailer community -- because that is what
I see here. This group is unreadable, partly due to your claque, and a
lot of effort is going into fruitless discussions.
I will not accept this, and ask you to change your behaviour, and to
produce evidence or retract your accusations, if you care about being
dest-blk'd at austria.
cm.
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Anonymous Poster
ENLIGHTENMENT FOR THE MASSES!
FROG-ADMIN IS OUTED!
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:59:41 +0000 (UTC) c...@tahina.priv.at (christian mock) wrote..
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Ex-communicate the napoleon frog.
Next on the cross-hair is his deputy, Cxxxxxxx
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:59:41 +0000 (UTC) c...@tahina.priv.at (christian mock) wrote..
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In article <MJMRI64H378...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
Your post is utter garbage.
Richard
- --
R.Christman
Benchmark Software
quick...@skuz.net
http://quicksilver.skuz.net
I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter
Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin.
http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html
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ATRU
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Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote in
news:9JS06PR837807.4786805556@anonymous.poster:
> On 5 Jul 2003, Goldstien <gold...@airstripone.com> wrote:
>>On 5 Jul 2003 05:05:52 GMT, Anonymous Poster
>><ix...@usenet4all.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Better late than never.
>>>
>>>Ex-communicate the napoleon frog.
>>>
>>>Next on the cross-hair is his deputy, Cxxxxxxx
>>
>>This is why I oppose boycotting Frog. The agenda of most
>>Frog haters is knocking off the remailers one by one. They
>>find the most controversial, which means the one which
>>allows the most freedom for users, and fan the flames until
>>they take them out. Then they move on to the next most
>>controversial. If the trend continues in the end you'll
>>have nothing but heavily filtered mailers with remops
>>licking the feet of the net cops.
>
> You have a valid point, but what about Frog-Admin's header
> "abuse" attacks on uiuc.edu and rr.com?
I have a hard time understanding why Frog-Admin's header:
X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/ In case my abuse
address is unreachable: It is because it has been flooded
by <m...@uiuc.edu>, please contact <ab...@uiuc.edu>
causes people to react as if he had just committed mass
murder. Shall I remind you that Gardner, the owner of
m...@uiuc.edu, posts daily using that address, *unmunged*,
to usenet?
Seems this can't result in him getting any more spam than
he's already getting. Weighed against the services which
Frog-Admin offers, and the use which his remailer serves
helping any number of people communicate securely and
privately around the world, whatever sin this is pretty
darn small.
Of course, stepping on my soapbox for a moment, if Frog-
Admin's nym account hadn't been flooded, none of this
would have happened. DoS attacks on nyms points to a
weakness in the system, one that the Frog-haters would
rather ignore rather than take the time to address. It's
an excuse to wage their silly little wars on Frog and
NOT to do anything constructive about the problem. IMHO.
> Also, why would he claim that partitioning attacks do not
> exist? There have been a number of people reported him
> offering multiple keys for his remailer which would be a
> perfect way to mount such an attack on the user base.
Wrong, that's FUD. Frog-Admin never did such a thing. I
used Frog-stats at that very time, and I can say that there
was *never* more than one Frog remailer key being publically
offered, and never more than one on my keyring.
Now, Frog-Admin did set up a number of private remailers
for a class he was said he was giving, and they showed up
in his stats, but those never had addresses or keys
distributed. Choosing them would have sent your message
to the bit bucket. However, I find it amazing that people
think that this was some sort of sinister plot--I mean,
I saw those incarnations, and wondered what they were too--
but I wasn't about to start selecting unannounced remailers
for my chains.
-atru
Nomen Nescio
wrote:
So, he should use an invalid address? Same as people shouldn't post with a
nym - according to Frog-Admin that is.
>Seems this can't result in him getting any more spam than
>he's already getting. Weighed against the services which
>Frog-Admin offers, and the use which his remailer serves
>helping any number of people communicate securely and
>privately around the world, whatever sin this is pretty
>darn small.
It is not about spam. Your argument is specious.
>Of course, stepping on my soapbox for a moment, if Frog-
>Admin's nym account hadn't been flooded, none of this
>would have happened. DoS attacks on nyms points to a
>weakness in the system, one that the Frog-haters would
>rather ignore rather than take the time to address. It's
>an excuse to wage their silly little wars on Frog and
>NOT to do anything constructive about the problem. IMHO.
Frog admin could request the volume limit be removed.
Or use postm...@frogadmin.yi.org/ab...@frogadmin.yi.org like any respectable
service.
>> Also, why would he claim that partitioning attacks do not
>> exist? There have been a number of people reported him
>> offering multiple keys for his remailer which would be a
>> perfect way to mount such an attack on the user base.
>
>Wrong, that's FUD. Frog-Admin never did such a thing. I
>used Frog-stats at that very time, and I can say that there
>was *never* more than one Frog remailer key being publically
>offered, and never more than one on my keyring.
Not been paying attention? A URL of a post where he made that claim was posted
recently. Keys are the least of your worries with partitioning attacks.
>Now, Frog-Admin did set up a number of private remailers
>for a class he was said he was giving, and they showed up
>in his stats, but those never had addresses or keys
>distributed. Choosing them would have sent your message
>to the bit bucket. However, I find it amazing that people
>think that this was some sort of sinister plot--I mean,
>I saw those incarnations, and wondered what they were too--
>but I wasn't about to start selecting unannounced remailers
>for my chains.
If what you say is true, you would not even be able to build a message. Let
alone have it reach the bit bucket.
GO ahead, ENJOY your reduced anonymity set remailer.
Anonymous Poster
frog's asslicker in his element.
don't you hv any shame at all?
On 5 Jul 2003 18:52:06 -0000 Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header.gmsociety.org (ATRU) wrote..
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ATRU
news:c6b12ce9d1867292...@dizum.com:
> On 5 Jul 2003,
> Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header.gmsociety.org (ATRU)
> wrote:
>>I have a hard time understanding why Frog-Admin's header:
>>
>>X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/ In case my abuse
>>address is unreachable: It is because it has been flooded
>>by <m...@uiuc.edu>, please contact <ab...@uiuc.edu>
>>
>>causes people to react as if he had just committed mass
>>murder. Shall I remind you that Gardner, the owner of
>>m...@uiuc.edu, posts daily using that address, *unmunged*,
>>to usenet?
>
> So, he should use an invalid address? Same as people
> shouldn't post with a nym - according to Frog-Admin that
> is.
When did Frog-Admin say that you shouldn't post with
a nym? I remember him warning people what could happen
if you did--as Argus and others here have found out.
>>Seems this can't result in him getting any more spam than
>>he's already getting. Weighed against the services which
>>Frog-Admin offers, and the use which his remailer serves
>>helping any number of people communicate securely and
>>privately around the world, whatever sin this is pretty
>>darn small.
>
> It is not about spam. Your argument is specious.
Then what? How many abuse complaints do you reckon
Gardner getting from this a day? How much actual grief
is this causing for him? Doesn't seem to be much, much
less than the spam.
Compared to the good which Frog's remailer helps do
around the world for any number of people, vs whatever
(small) grief I suspect that Gardner is getting from
having his very public email address in Frog's headers,
then indeed there is a big ethical issue at stake.
And you're missing it.
Let's say because some remop blocks Frog, that some
urgent mail to a human rights worker never made it,
so that the worker was arrested, tortured, and killed
for the want of delivered mail. Now I ask you: is
getting Garnder's -very public- email address out of
Frog's headers worth potentially risking someone's life
over? Is that your sense of what's important about remailer
use?
If you think that remailers are just "TOYS" for the rich
and idle to spam and troll usenet, the answer is "yes".
If OTH, you think that remailers are silently being used
for any number of important causes, that they are not
mere toys for the trolls of usenet, then you see that
introducing broken links in the network as something to
be done only as a last resort, because there are bigger
ethical issues that may be at stake, ones that you can't
possibly be aware of. If you truly think that remailers
exist to protect the communications of people who
desperately need it, then tempest over Garnder's very
public email being in Frog's headers becomes almost
*laughable*, if some people didn't react to it so seriously.
>>Of course, stepping on my soapbox for a moment, if Frog-
>>Admin's nym account hadn't been flooded, none of this
>>would have happened. DoS attacks on nyms points to a
>>weakness in the system, one that the Frog-haters would
>>rather ignore rather than take the time to address. It's
>>an excuse to wage their silly little wars on Frog and
>>NOT to do anything constructive about the problem. IMHO.
>
> Frog admin could request the volume limit be removed.
He could have requested that the limit be raised.
Nymservers need a *some* limit to prevent self-referencing
mailbombing attacks, since they have no idea of where
the reply-blocks are sending the mail.
BTW, you are tacitly admitting that Gardner flooded
Frog. Sending someone 10 megs + of mail will disable
most mail accounts, freebie non-anon ones included.
> Or use postm...@frogadmin.yi.org/ab...@frogadmin.yi.org
> like any respectable service.
IOW, you don't want him to use the remailer network for
his mail, the way that we users have to do. To be like
many other remops and have the luxury of his own mailbox,
right?
To me this is one of his strong suits--Frog chooses to
live under the same system as we ordinary users do. It
would be better if other remops did likewise, for then
I suspect many practical problems with the network would
have been fixed a long time ago becasue their attention
would need to be focused on more practical problems
and less on theoretical ones.
Frog-haters, OTH would rather carp about Frog-Admin
rather than do something about fixing these problems. As
I've said, even if Frog-Admin were guilty of all the
things you said and disappeared in a puff of green smoke
tommorrow, someone else would eventually come along and
commit the same transgressions, for these are *problems
inherent in the system*, and framing the discussion in
terms of "Frog's a bad remop" is not very useful at all.
Frog-haters seem incapable of viewing these matters in a
more objective framework, as a *system* problem instead
of a *people* problem. Maybe that's what Frog-Admin
meant when he accused Richard of "immaturity".
>>> Also, why would he claim that partitioning attacks do not
>>> exist? There have been a number of people reported him
>>> offering multiple keys for his remailer which would be a
>>> perfect way to mount such an attack on the user base.
>>
>>Wrong, that's FUD. Frog-Admin never did such a thing. I
>>used Frog-stats at that very time, and I can say that there
>>was *never* more than one Frog remailer key being
>>publically offered, and never more than one on my keyring.
>
> Not been paying attention? A URL of a post where he made
> that claim was posted recently. Keys are the least of your
> worries with partitioning attacks.
The only post about this I've seen recently speculated
about a remop providing different keys to users to
partition them into subsets based on, say, geography.
And it wouldn't work, for reasons I outlined in a
response. What other partitioning attack(s) are you talking
about? Provide the google link.
>>Now, Frog-Admin did set up a number of private remailers
>>for a class he was said he was giving, and they showed up
>>in his stats, but those never had addresses or keys
>>distributed. Choosing them would have sent your message
>>to the bit bucket. However, I find it amazing that people
>>think that this was some sort of sinister plot--I mean,
>>I saw those incarnations, and wondered what they were too--
>>but I wasn't about to start selecting unannounced remailers
>>for my chains.
>
> If what you say is true, you would not even be able to
> build a message. Let alone have it reach the bit bucket.
>
> GO ahead, ENJOY your reduced anonymity set remailer.
Huh? I suspect that I'm using more remailers than you are,
since I assume that you're not using Frog. I'm not using
Frog's stats anymore any more, I use the most comprehensive
list available. So my "reduced anonymity" network trumps
yours by at least one remailer.
-atru
An Metet
> urgent mail to a human rights worker never made it,
> so that the worker was arrested, tortured, and killed
> for the want of delivered mail. Now I ask you: is
> getting Garnder's -very public- email address out of
> Frog's headers worth potentially risking someone's life
> over? Is that your sense of what's important about remailer
> use?
Surely the people using remailers for such serious purposes know to
update their stats regularly? Stats collected from the remailers that
are blocking frog do not indicate frog. If frog's stats give
misleading information about connections between frog and other
remailers, that is *frog's* fault.
ptsc
The information may not be misleading, however. The other remailers
have, in fact, blocked frog. Therefore frog's stats and stats of other
remailers which are not connected to frog would not indicate each other.
As long as the broken chains properly indicate this, the data is accurate,
although it does not reflect an optimal situation.
--
Home of the Buttersquash Conspiracy http://buttersquash.net
Nomen Nescio
WHY frog-admin attempt to get people kicked out their jobs?
HOW putting someone else abuse address in headers help?
WHY frog-admin mailbomb himself with a reply block?
WHAT don't you understand about responsible abuse policy?
Answer,
Help trolls destroy network.
Anonymous
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>
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>
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> >It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious
> >allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial
> >evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as
> >though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts.
> >
> >Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do
> >not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and
> >conclusive.
>
> - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults
> something which would not be tolerated in the workplace
> - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have Frog M2news UDPed
> - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information
> - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with flooders and netcops against Frog
But where is all this evidence? You repeatedly make these
An Metet
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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I disagree with little that you have said here or in earlier posts. But
the little is still there. And it is important.
If you would only choose to rise above what has offended or disappointed
and displeased you -- not forgive and forget, but rise above -- and *then*
ask yourself if there are some things *you* would *prefer* to do
differently *now*, I believe you would do some things differently now.
I believe you can accomplish your goals, repair any damage you may have
done to your reputation, and become more satisfied with yourself and valued
by others than you have been.
I believe that to do anything else is to succumb to the real or imagined
wrongs you believe have been committed against you. One succumbs to wrongs
by limiting the responsibility one would actually *prefer* to take for
them. In doing so, one succeeds only in limiting oneself. This is always
a mistake.
I am not asking you to do anything you would prefer not to do. I am
encouraging you to do what I believe you would prefer to do yourself, but
that you are not already doing because it would mean you had been wrong
about something before. Who cares if you were wrong? Rising above
something and taking more responsibility for it than anyone has any right
to ask you to take makes one as right as he can possibly be. This is never
a mistake.
I have faith in you. I would like to see you winning on all fronts and
losing on none. But it is your choice to set an even higher standard than
you have had for yourself. And it is your effort that you will need to
spend willingly and happily to achieve it.
Anonymous
Would monsieur care for an apéritif, or would he prefer to order straight
away?
Uh, today we have, uh, for appetizers: Excuse me. Mhmm. Uh, moules
marinières, pâté de foie gras, beluga caviar, eggs Benedictine, tart de
poireaux-- that's leek tart,-- frogs' legs amandine, or oeufs de caille
Richard Christman-- c'est à dire, little quails' eggs on a bed of puréed
mushroom. It's very delicate. Very subtle.
>I'll have the lot
A wise choice, monsieur. And now, how would you like it served? All, uh,
mixed up togezer in a bucket?
>Yeah,... with the eggs on top.
Oh, monsieur, I assure you, just because it is mixed up wis all ze other
things, we would not dream of giving you less than ze full amount. In fact, I
will personally make sure you have a double helping. Maintenant quelque chose
à boire. Something to drink, monsieur?
>Yeah, I'll have six bottles of Château Latour Forty-five...
Forty-five.
>...and a double Jeroboam of champagne.
Bon, and the usual brown ales?
>Yeah. No, wait a minute. I think I can only manage six crates today.
[tut tut tut tut] I hope monsieur was not overdoing it last night.
>Shut up!
D'accord. Ah! Ze new bucket and ze cleaning woman.
...
And finally, monsieur, a wafer-thin mint.
>Nah.
Oh, sir, it's only a tiny, little, thin one.
>No. Fuck off. I'm full.
Oh, sir. Hmm?
>[groan]
It's only wafer thin.
>Look. I couldn't eat another thing. I'm absolutely stuffed. Bugger off.
Oh, sir, just-- just one.
>[groaning] All right. Just one.
Just the one, monsieur. Voilà.
Bon appétit.
Frog-Admin
On 6 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (ATRU) wrote:
>> Frog admin could request the volume limit be removed.
>
>He could have requested that the limit be raised.
>Nymservers need a *some* limit to prevent self-referencing
>mailbombing attacks, since they have no idea of where
>the reply-blocks are sending the mail.
>
>BTW, you are tacitly admitting that Gardner flooded
>Frog. Sending someone 10 megs + of mail will disable
>most mail accounts, freebie non-anon ones included.
Actually, it is the other way round
- -I am *not* going to ask for an increase of my abuse nym account allowance
- -I configured my nym account to act as a fuse (MAX-count directive)
and it blows up before the 10 Mb limit
FYI, there is a "default" mail account associated with my NERIM account,
which acts as a honeypot
which lately received a few 100 Mb stuff
which I periodicall "ZAP" without reading/downloading
(my "ZAP_Mail" program is available on my WWW with other utilities)
and I use different addresses for real purposes
There is no way I am going to peruse though thousands of mail to process a "legitimate complaint", so basically it is a problem beween the ones who flood/DoS my abuse address and the "legitimate complainers" who can't reach it.
That is exactly what I point out in my headers:
'by disabling my abuse address,
Gardner did hurt "legitimate complainers"
so if "legitimate complainers" are not happy with the situation
they know what/who the cause is'
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An Metet
The person posting this article is frog-admin. He has
has a well deserved reputation as a liar, a spammer, a
and a megalomaniac. Observing his conduct here you will
conclude he does NOT believe in free-speech or privacy.
He's probably running more than 1 remailer. It is a fact
he has been caught in the past secretly running a
second remailer.
Because of his reputation you'll find many in this group
speaking out against him. His answer to this is to flood
the poster's email or nym account--if an address is
provided. When this is not possible he will unleash a
mammoth flood of messages in this newsgroup as a 'lesson'
to us that we are to keep quiet. This is nothing new.
It has been happening quite arrogantly for 4 years. He
has flooded this group with hundreds of thousands of
messages and is by far the worst abuser in the history of
the remailer network.
If you use frog's services your privacy is uncertain. If
you use any of frog's services you must realize you are
promoting this despicable conduct.
Anonymous
NONSENSE from Frog-Admin, as usual, trying to occupy frontstage with his pretense of
knowledge
HISTORY:
That Frog-Admin bozo is a clown and a troll who has been looming around for over four
years.
Don't mistake a "regular" (non-troll) with a knowledgeable person: that
self-proclaimed "non-security expert" is a remailer abuser. In the past, he proved
himself unable to check an abuse complaint, and got ridicule from every single
technical topic he wanted to talk about.
Besides false or inaccurate or misleading technical misinformation, his posts are
about his reviled traffic analysis, or for bashing anyone, including real people: he
likes to quarrel with every one, and stir shit. Sometimes, it is even pure delirium
(when he misses his pink champagne?)
One of his last actions was to stage a hoax about his own mailbombing, just to try to
grab some sympathy, after he had been exposed as a troll and technically incompetent.
The worst being his teasing of Script-Kiddie until it triggered a new flood on apas.
Of course, he refuses to apologize.
Actually, the level of contempt he shows for non-remailer users:
they give their names, while he doesn't
that can't do anything against him, without being attacked.
is in no way different from what is displayed by Pangborn, Burnore and the like
Ignore him completely, killfile him, respect others' killfiles
KILLFILE:
To put him in your killfile, put "Author: Frog-Admin"
That will make disappear both him and people who fornicate with him
If you want to tell him to buzz off, or warn about him,
use a nickname containing "Frog-Admin" (Frog-Admin Hater, Frog-Admin Sucks,...)
to accomodate such killfile for "regulars", and still warn newbies
COURAGE:
Frog-Admin is getting _no_ answer from apas any more.
He has to misuse abuse headers to try to grab some attention.
Unfortunately it may never be gone.
Fritz Wuehler
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>On 6 Jul 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (ATRU) wrote:
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>>
lcs Mixmaster Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), despicable QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> shat:
<SNIP>
EXCELLENT
It is just like opening some venerable bottle which you had stored in your cellar for a special occasion, a burgundy whose flavor and aromas develop with decades.
Or some fine cognac from an oak cask, which you drink sip after sip, slowly, warming the glass in between your hands, and which you pass religiously from your nose to your mouth.
Thanks for making those great memories vivid again.
But, no.. it is different, a warmer and darker feeling, like...
I searched my library, and here it is:
#######
... Le scelerat encule Julie; les valets contiennent le pere et la mere pendant qu'il lime le cul de cette enfant. Delcour, arme de son rasoir, va lentement detacher la tete.
- -Sois long, sois tres long, Delcour, s'ecria-t'il, je veux que ma tres chere niece se sente mourir, je veux qu'elle souffre aussi longtemps que je la foutrai.
A peine Delcour a-t'il fait sentir le taillant du rasoir, que les cris de cette malheureuse retentissent de toutes parts.
- -Allez, allez dit Saint-Fond bien introduit dans le cul, mais allez doucement; vous ne concevez pas le plaisir qui me transporte; penche-toi, Delcour, que je puisse te branler le vit pendant que tu travailles; Juliette, adorez les fesses de Delcour: il est un Dieu maintenant a mes regards. Qu'on approche le cul de la mere, je veux le baiser pendant que je fais assassiner sa fille.
...
La belle tete de Julie tombe enfin comme celle d'une jolie rose aux efforts redoubles de l'aquilon.
- -Rien n'est aussi voluptueux que ce que viens de faire, dit Saint-Fond deculant le cadavre: on n'imagine pas le resserrement qui resulte, dans l'anus, de la lente incision operee sur les vertebres du col: c'est delicieux! Allons, madame, dit-il a la mere, preparez-vous a me donner le meme plaisir.
...
...
... La salle entiere etait tendue de noir; des ossements, des tetes de cadavres, des larmes d'argent, des faisceaux de verges, des poignards et des martinets ornaient cette lugubre tapisserie; dans chaque niche etait une des vierges branlees par une tribade, toutes deux nues, appuyes sur des coussins noirs, ayant les attributs de la mort perpendiculaires a leur front. Dans le fond de chaque niche, se voyait l'une des tetes qui venaient d'etre coupees, et pres des niches, a droite, etait un cercueil ouvert, a gauche une petite table sur laquelle reposaient un pistolet, une coupe de poison et un poignard. Par un raffinement d'incroyable barbarie (fait, j'en etais bien sure, pour plaire a mon amant), j'avais fait scier les trois troncs des victimes qui venaient d'etre sacrifiees; on n'en avait conserve que la partie des fesses prise depuis la chute des reins jusqu'au bas des cuisses, et des morceaux de chair etaient suspendus par des rubans noirs a hauteur de la bouche, dans chaque entrecolonnement des niches: ce furent les premiers objets qui frapperent Saint-Fond.
- -Ah, ah, dit-il en venant les baiser, je suis fort aise de retrouver des culs qui viennent de me donner tant de plaisir.
#######
(Sade: Les prosperites du vice / Juliette et Saint-Fond
P 170-171-172
=========================================
Thank you, Champerty, for letting me experiencing the same kind of double ecstasy: first when I was crucifiing your ass and your friends', and now when you make me remember those delicious moments.
"je suis fort aise de retrouver des culs qui m'avaient donne tant de plaisir"
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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, terminal looser Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org>compulsively spat:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOEED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, SOB asshole Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> prematurely ejaculated:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, sewer denizen Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> flaccidly dribbled:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, registered SOB Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> forgot to switch brains on before dribbling:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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ATRU
> Simple questions.
Simple answers, as simple as I can make them.
> WHY frog-admin attempt to get people kicked out their jobs?
>
> HOW putting someone else abuse address in headers help?
Short answer: It's not my sense of netetiquitte, true, but
there are some of us who think that remailers serve purposes
of a lot more ethical importance than proper netetiquitte,
and that having a large number of remops and remailers, even
when some do things that you might strongly disagree with,
is preferable to having a small, cozy, friendly network
where everyone's polite and everyone agrees with everyone else.
Because the small network is easily crushable if the powers-
that-be decide to do so.
It seems to me that the Frog-haters, OTH, would be willing
put the life of some human rights worker at risk in order
to have their "pure" friendly, cozy, network and to get
a -very public- email address, one that Gardner himself
posts to usenet daily, out of Frog's headers. That is
their sense of ethics, but it's sure not mine.
> WHY frog-admin mailbomb himself with a reply block?
He didn't. You have proof that he did?
> WHAT don't you understand about responsible abuse policy?
Frog-Admin is perfectly capable of reasonably responding
to abuse--look at the example of Don Souter. Has it ever
occurred to you that he might regard Gardner differently for
a good reason? (My own looking into Google supports the
accusation that Gardner did indeed try to get Frog-Admin
disconnected from his upstream, as this was suggested to
him in a followup post).
> Answer,
>
> Help trolls destroy network.
Funny, what I'm been campaigning for here--nyms with filters--
would help prevent trolling by enabling *users* to have
robust public nyms for use in public forums while they
killfiled anonymous trolls by killfiling all non-nym anon
posts if they so chose. We could have pretty much a troll-
free apas if you want it, and have the users be in charge
of what filtering is done so remops won't have to be
bothered with it. Hey, I'm all for it.
But not too many seem interested, huh?
-atru
ATRU
news:2d3e7f5e2ec8c389...@aonymous.poster:
>> Let's say because some remop blocks Frog, that some
>> urgent mail to a human rights worker never made it,
>> so that the worker was arrested, tortured, and killed
>> for the want of delivered mail. Now I ask you: is
>> getting Garnder's -very public- email address out of
>> Frog's headers worth potentially risking someone's life
>> over? Is that your sense of what's important about
>> remailer use?
>
> Surely the people using remailers for such serious purposes
> know to update their stats regularly? Stats collected from
> the remailers that are blocking frog do not indicate frog.
I would think that the people who actually might have
death squads looking for them don't spend most of their
time sitting in front of a computer doing things the
"proper way". They have to rely on secondary sources
for stats/keys, etc.; they don't have time to check
everything themselves. They have to weigh their online
risks as part of an overall risk assesment program.
I can easily imagine threat models where sitting down
at a computer 4 hours a day checking everything "the
right way" puts you at high risk in itself; where one
could only be safely online for 15 minutes,
In such a situation, it would be easy for them to miss
a broken link or announcment. Especially if you don't
have a program like JBN to warn you of broken links,
if you depend on handrolling the messages.
-atru
A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, unrepentant cretin Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> had some crisis of posting diarrhea and dumped:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, unrepentant cretin Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> had some crisis of posting diarrhea and dumped:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, not_a_guiding_light Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> dumped:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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Anonymous
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
<snip>
> The more m2news, the better
> Peter Palfrader tries to harm the m2news by all possible means.
> - -trying to harm the propagation:
> see the hard evidence in news:slrnbe7kcb.pfp...@valiant.palfrader.org
> - -starting design abuse: like the episode with cancel in german abuse NG
What's wrong with his message? Is there something factually
incorrect about it that you are trying to point out? It doesn't seem
like any form of abuse, just an observation.
> - -trying to flood the m2news:
> the chart is truncated:
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/Browse.html
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NQTE_20030401.gif
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NMOD_20030601.gif
> here is the data:
> #2003-06-12# 720 2 051 392
> #2003-06-13# 11 679 56 561 386
> #2003-06-14# 2 887 24 188 809
> #2003-06-15# 1 146 10 100 046
> #2003-06-16# 710 5 238 164
What does this tell me? How do these numbers make Peter Palfrader
guilty of anything? You seem to think they are glaring proof of his
guilt, but nobody else understands why.
> - -posting false information about the m2news' capabilities: like last year
Like last year? This doesn't even constitute evidence, let alone
suggest guilt of anything.
This guy is the lead programmer for the ongoing development of
Mixmaster. He's highly regarded for his programming abilities both
within and outside the anonymity community. Why are you attacking
him, but unable to provide any factual evidence? Without this, you
only damage your own image.
Please don't duck these questions, they aren't meant to be trolling,
just a simple request for information.
A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY FROG-ADMIN IGNORES RICHARD CHRISTMAN
Richard Who?
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
Look at the Christman sucker in MAJOR ASS-LICKING MODE !
"Almighty Frog-Admin, fuck my ass, I brought the vaseline, slap me, whip me, but ANSWER.
Show the miscreants I am worth Your time & attention.
Give the world evidence that I am not in Your killfile.
I will drink Your piss, I will eat Your shit, I will swallow Your spunk, I will lick Your footprint, but ANSWER.
Lord, just say one word and You will save me from oblivion"
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #2
RICHARD CHRISTMAN IS PROUD THAT QS OFFERS SMTP AUTHENTICATION
FROG-ADMIN DISMISSES SMTP AUTHENTICATION AS ANOTHER WEAPON FOR FLOODING
"Frog-Admin does not condone flooding, hence he is a flooder"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <CZ48FD2A3760...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: Re: JBN2 and Outgoing mail server requires authentication
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>References: <904682ed7f5a6e1f...@ecn.org>
><qabfvu0jtkht34k9u...@4ax.com>
><R9TD4IKJ3760...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
><jgagvu8j40amgnqen...@4ax.com>
><5HDF184Q376...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 12 Dec 2002 08:57:14 +0100
>Lines: 81
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>
>On 12 Dec 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>wrote:
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>>
>>On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, xenophon <xenopho...@xenophon.homeip.net>
>>wrote:
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>On 12 Dec 2002 05:49:04 -0000, Frog <FrogRe...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You forgot to mention that most ISP's block port 25 except to their own
>>>>smtp server. This information would be useful if you could suggest a
>>>>remailers smtp that uses a port other that 25.
>>>
>>>Yes I did overlook that, thanks for pointing this out because it's a very
>>>important point. I don't have a list of remailers running smtp on ports
>>>other than 25, but I'll sure research it and I might even try to put up
>>>second smtp server for chicago on a port other than 25 to accomodate
>>>users who's isp are unreasonable and are blocking 25.
>>
>>Would you try
>>OR frogadmin.yi.org:22222
>>OR frogadmin.hn.org:22222
>>OR frogadmin.no-IP.com:22222
>>OR 80.65.224.85:22222
>>
>>instead of
>>OR frogadmin.yi.org:25
>>OR frogadmin.hn.org:25
>>OR frogadmin.no-IP.com:25
>>OR 80.65.224.85:25
>>
>>I did set it up ages ago for a similar request
>>(and don't prepend "smtp." to the name)
>>
>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Also, the 'JBN2 SMTP authentication' is a boring troll
>>There are 2 lines of code to add to JBN to get SMTP authentication
>> (2 lines is by hard-coding password)
>> I released the code last summer or so
>>
>>But a person who *really* has the problem would
>>OR use a MTA on his computer
>> because he would gave the same problem with many other softwares
>>OR directly inject through the SMTP of the first remailer in his chain
>>
>>Besides, I don't see any *real* reason not_to_use the provider's
>>(non-authenticated) SMTP, except to get a *false* feeling of extra
>>privacy.
>
>I meant, of course, besides the *OBVIOUS* reason:
>the guy is a spammer
> and wants to balance his flood between different 3rd party SMTP
> to defeat flood detectors.
>
>- -If the guy has 10 SMTP to inject from,
>- -and there are 50 remailers to inject to
>- -->that is 500 messages
> while every remailer will see no more than one message/IP
>- -->if the guy wants -say- flood apas with 5000 messages
> no remop will see more than 10 messages/IP
>
>>So, I am not willing to waste time on that.
>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #4
RICHARD CHRISTMAN POSES AS THE INVENTOR OF MULTIPLE CHAINS
RPROCESS HIMSELF REESTABLISHED THE TRUTH IN 1999'
AND FROGADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
(poorly crafted strategy)
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
Message-ID: <CVGCAD8R3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
Subject: Re: reliablity vs detectability
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
References: <63f886f8eceb1158...@remailer.frell.eu.org>
Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
Get information about complaints from the URL below
X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
Date: 28 Dec 2002 13:32:29 +0100
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Fritz Wuehler <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote:
>Advice from the experts requested. I have found mixmaster, using 4
>chains and 4 remailers to almost guarantee that my message will make
>it to a newsgroup.
>
>The problem is that sending a message that way means i have sent 16
>30k messages if I have it right.
4
Multiple chains will get you
- - -(marginal) extra reliability if there are problems bewtween you an
the last remailer
- - -nothing more if the last reailer has a problem
Depending on your remailer client and your source of stats (broken
links),
a single chain with AUTO remailers can be nearly as reliable
a single chain, manually crafted, can be more reliable
(multiplying chains is often a way to hide a poorly crafted strategy
of choosing compatible remailers)
>That is a lot of message to be seen leaving my computer by the nsa or
>whatever 3 letter agency is on duty at the time. So what I am asking
>is if there is some way I can get more or less guaranteed delivery and
>still be undetectable?
>
>If that means using cpunk instead of mixmaster, that's fine, its just
>that mixmaster seems like a pretty good way to guarantee delivery.
Because most remailers do transparent-remix, a Cpunk chain will have
most of the MIX security characteristics betwenen remailers
some extra Cpunk features (...) on top
the only points where Cpunk is arguably weaker is:
the (YOU>FirstRemailer) trunk
the fact that each node must cope with your message size
(leading to reduced choice of remailers for huge messages)
But only the Usenet equivalent of a mullah would wage a war on that:
for small messages and chain lengths of 3+, Cpunk and MIX are pretty
much equivalent
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
It is not a bug, it is a feature!
We, masochists, fashion victims and lifetime testers, we don't have the same simplistic needs as you JBN users.
You JBN users write your message while the stats and keyrings update flawlessly,
then you press the "send" button, and that's all.
That is just as enthousiasming as getting a pack of chips from the grocery next corner.
Our relationship with QS is a day-fulfilling experience, something that really makes our life truly different.
It all starts with downloading QS.
Instead of downloading one single executable, I have a whole assortment of exotic stuff: .exe, .dll, they all have different version numbers, and sometimes they are incompatible between them, sometimes the latest version is not the highest version number. It is very much like matching the necklace with the earrings and the hairdo and the shoes and the waistbelt and the make-up, sorting that out is a pleasure by itself.
Also, you JBN guys have two dozen places to download JBN from, while QS only has one: it is crowded, a warm nerve-rattling ambiance, like queuing at the disco, I never know if I am not going to be barred the entrance to the party, with some "server busy"; what about foreplay, gals!
And of course, you only download once, while I have a new version of something every other day, and a new meeting with that whole delicious excitement.
Then, I may start QS: will it crash, or not, which error message will I get this time, will I crash the whole computer or only QS, or a mere warning? Will my case be rare enough so that author will dedicate a reply to me in apas, which I will pin at my bedpost?
Then, I type my message: will I get a RichEditBox message this time? I never had that one, and I am a bit anxious because all my friends got it while I was never blessed with it. But I don't feel such an outcast: like everybody else, my attachements never arrived.
Now, it is one of the most titillating moments: update stats and keyrings. Lost Arch and other adventure movies are just small play compared with that moment. Actually, it is much more like the final climax orgy at the end of a XXX-rated movie. Messages on the screen are excoriating my spine, make my pants wet and my breathing shorter, while servers are bypassed, connexion stalls and transmission pause. Blue screen, corrupt data, kernel error, I don't know what will happen to me, it is just like being blindfolded and gang-raped. All my juices are pouring out and I definitely equipped my stool with a basin.
I am already exhausted, I need a popper, but here comes my moment of ecstasy: send the message. I cannot really describe the waiting, the excruciating moments while begging for the connexion to establish: I am panting, my eyes are revulsed: will I cum in the end, will I make it? RHAAAAHH.
And then getting out of QS. Like when extracting a hot dick from a foaming cunt: a delicate moment. The whole thing might collapse, I might lose my data and end-up with having to "pack the database". "Pack the database", that sounds as appealing as getting anally fist-fucked, doesn'it? I will tell you a secret: IT IS EVEN BETTER, I feel it deeper inside my guts.
That is my life: masochist, fashion victim and lifetime tester.
There are other high moments, like when being told to RTFM and there is nothing about my problems in the help file. But that are simpler joys and I wanted to show you just a few things which make my existence much brighter than yours, JBN users.
We need that thrill, that excitement, that panting, and QS is fully-featured to give us what we are after, and it can faithfully deliver that uncertainty, that precious ordeal, that sweet supplice, day after day, like it did for nearly 3 years of beta now.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES THE SIZE OF HIS PENIS
Which penis?
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #1
FROG PROPOSES JBN2 QUICKSTART.
THIS GIVES A NEW YOUTH TO JBN2
THIS KILLS RICHARD CHRISTMAN'S LAST HOPE TO MAKE QS A STANDARD
THERE WAS WORD THAT QS WOULD BECOME SHAREWARE
"My wallet hurts"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <12JLE2BE3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: ATTN: JBN2 newbies-wannabe (JBN2 QuickStart)
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:12:36 +0100
>Lines: 42
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>
>There is a "JBN2 quickstart page" on my
>Client Configurations for LES Dummies
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
>
>Just overwrite the "out of the box" config files, which are packed
>with obsolete data
> *after* JB2_install but *before* JBN2_first_run
>
>There is also a "One-Stop Downloads page"
>Frog DownLoads
>(JBN2 / PGP 2.6.3ia or PGP 6.58 / Mixmaster 2.04b46)
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/MyDownLoad.html
>
>You should avoid *MOST* the hassles experienced by your recent predecessors
> because of obsolete data.
>
>NB:
>The "JBN2 QuickStart" is totally useless after JBN2 *first* run.
>(Unless you uninstall/clear/reinstall, or zap the .dat files)
>The surrounding pages are still of interest, though.
>
>Enjoy
>
>
>
>
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> reached a new low in human history:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
Enron accounts have been certified by Arthur Andersen.
QuickSilver software has been tested by Catdog Zax Schierl Boschloo.
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> reached a new low in human history:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #3
RICHARD CHRISTMAN MAKES GRANDIOSE OVERSTATEMENTS ABOUT QS SUPREMACY OVER JBN
FROG-ADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <N0TMQZV13741...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: Re: Reply Blocks in QuickSilver
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>References: <ae035s$lfc$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>
><Xns9228C87265601z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206091941...@skuz.net>
><Xns9228DC6377C30z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206092150...@skuz.net>
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 10 Jun 2002 00:03:57 +0200
>Lines: 39
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
>
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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>The point that it is possible that an encrypted mail can arrive
>>immediately after QS checks, is valid. However, I believe it is fair to
>>characterize this as fairly rare. Your point regarding the user
>>forgetting to check with QS is more likely.
>>
>>What's the solution, should this inadvertantly happen?
>>
>>Copy the message from the regular email program to the clipboard and
>>then, in QS, click 'Clipboard|Recieve'.
>>
>>For most of us we have dedicated accounts for our anon purposes--like
>>you and I. Further more, anyone can setup a free account with services
>>such as myrealbox.com. Using the single mailbox for anon and regular
>>mail is simply a consideration for those not yet savvy enough to open a
>>dedicated account. I seriously doubt any other remailer client handles
>>a 'dual-purpose' mailbox any better.
>
>JBN2|Window|ViewMail|Tools|Decrypt|Clipboard
>If you want it shorter: Ctrl-B
>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
Look at the Christman sucker in MAJOR ASS-LICKING MODE !
"Almighty Frog-Admin, fuck my ass, I brought the vaseline, slap me, whip me, but ANSWER.
Show the miscreants I am worth Your time & attention.
Give the world evidence that I am not in Your killfile.
I will drink Your piss, I will eat Your shit, I will swallow Your spunk, I will lick Your footprint, but ANSWER.
Lord, just say one word and You will save me from oblivion"
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, Dragonet <Drag...@anonymous.to.> wrote:
>Hey, I downloaded QS and PGP and made my self a nym. I even obtained
>access to a web proxy. I was very proud of the fact that I could beat
>the system and email, post and surf anonymously. No sooner than I had
>replied to the nym confirmation, I GOT SPAM! Within an hour! What
>the hell is this? What can I do about it?
There were happy times, when spammers knew that nym accounts were owned by privacy-conscious people they would never fool.
Now, the word passed that there were such lowlifes as QS lusers, bozos happy with inferior software.
Nym addresses became promised land, with rich harvests of suckers able to buy just anything and be so proud of their stupidity that they would recruit new victims themselves.
There should be TAGS for nyms owned by QS brainless, so that spammers can focus on those willing to listen to them.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
QuickSilver has been recommended by truckers unions.
Not for privacy purposes, of course, but as a drunk test.
If you manage to put *all* the required colons, semi-colons, dots, commas where they belong in QS Text Interface, and if you don't mistake tabs for spaces either ....
... then you are definitely sober and ready to drive
(well, at least you were, before that silly test gave you a headache)
Don't drink and drive: use QuickSilver to test your fitness.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
>=============================================================================
>REMAILER CLIENT SOFTWARES (WINxx)
>
>JBN2 (Jack B. Nymble) (Fully functional with rich GUI - My tool of choice)
> http://www.skuz.net/potatoware/
> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
>PI (Private Idaho) (Different versions by different authors - Limited)
> http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/pi.html
>QS (QuickSilver) (Beta software - poor GUI - Many bugs reported)
> (I strongly recommend *against* heavily spammed program; immature author)
Why do you even list QuickSilver among "Remailer Client Softwares for
winXX"?
QuickSilver is of *no* interest for potential users and newbies, and
they should *not* be encouraged to use it, actually they should be
advised *not* to use it.
QuickSilver is for testing and debugging purposes *only*, its use is
intended for seasoned beta testers *only*, and at their own risks.
QuickSilver is not operational yet, it is a mere beta.
It still has a Text Interface instead of a Graphical User Interface.
The "proprietary format database" shows as a dead end.
General misconception is the *structural* cause for many other bugs.
(The present version is a patchwork of functionnalities added the one
after the other, and the resulting program sorely shows the lack of
global vision presiding over its conception.
While the initial project was a "lightweight mixmaster client", it
evolved to something else. Changing objectives en route is a sure way
to technical mismatch)
QS *in_its_present_form* will probably *never* get out of beta.
QS needs a complete rethinking, redefine its objectives, take
advantage of the errors in version 0.x, and hopefully it will restart
on healthier foundations.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #1
FROG PROPOSES JBN2 QUICKSTART.
THIS GIVES A NEW YOUTH TO JBN2
THIS KILLS RICHARD CHRISTMAN'S LAST HOPE TO MAKE QS A STANDARD
THERE WAS WORD THAT QS WOULD BECOME SHAREWARE
"My wallet hurts"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <12JLE2BE3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: ATTN: JBN2 newbies-wannabe (JBN2 QuickStart)
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:12:36 +0100
>Lines: 42
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>
>There is a "JBN2 quickstart page" on my
>Client Configurations for LES Dummies
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
>
>Just overwrite the "out of the box" config files, which are packed
>with obsolete data
> *after* JB2_install but *before* JBN2_first_run
>
>There is also a "One-Stop Downloads page"
>Frog DownLoads
>(JBN2 / PGP 2.6.3ia or PGP 6.58 / Mixmaster 2.04b46)
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/MyDownLoad.html
>
>You should avoid *MOST* the hassles experienced by your recent predecessors
> because of obsolete data.
>
>NB:
>The "JBN2 QuickStart" is totally useless after JBN2 *first* run.
>(Unless you uninstall/clear/reinstall, or zap the .dat files)
>The surrounding pages are still of interest, though.
>
>Enjoy
>
>
>
>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
>On 29 Jan 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Anonymous Nickname)
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Tarapia Tapioco <comes...@ntani.firenze.linux.it>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>QS IS STILL BEST, GET OVER IT
>>>
>>>Best at double posting, best at losing messages, best at crashing, best at
>>>letting brain-dead wanna-be punks onto the network, best at revealing you
>>>identity, yeah.
>>
>>How odd... If QS is a message losing crasher, what makes it so attractive
>>to "brain dead wannabes"?
>
>It's all pretty and sparkly, rather than functional.
>
>Brain dead wannabes are more concerned with appearances of function and
>security.
>
>The author of JBN2, RProcess, never had to come into APAS and apologize for
>giving away your identities
>news:<8YKZ0B0X3703...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org>
Better give the Google reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8YKZ0B0X37038.0438657407%40frog.nyarlatheotep.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
With the date "Date: 26 May 2001 23:03:10 -0000" it is dubious that it is still there on any news server, and the extra brackets kill the syntax anyways.
Let us focus on the date:
2001/05/26 is MORE THAN 18 MONTHS after QS was announced, end 1999.
WHO tested QS for those 18 months and was not able to find such a HUGE bug?
No elder or privacy-savvy person approached QS for those 18 months.
Only newbies were used:
newbies were lured by the new colors
newbies were attracted by the "IT IS NEW" big flashing signs
newbies came because of the intense marketing campaign in apas
newbies got brainwashed
newbies were used as guinea pigs
newbies were unable of any feedback or constructive criticism
SAME APPLIES TO THE PAST 18 MONTHS.
Ask the Frog, Dingo, Bikikii, Doc Cypher, Stray Cat... if they ever *tested* QS?
They all use JBN, unless they handroll & use their own tools.
Actually, situation is worse because, after 36 months, Richard Christman is stuck:
stuck in his own certainties
stuck in a bad design, with text interface, proprietary database and much worse
stuck in his marketing tactics of defamation, hype, spamming and lies
- --
Is there anybody out here, whose opinion is worth and valuable, who would say:
'QS WAS TESTED AND APPROVED BY ME'?
NO
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>> Would you MAIL your problems to the mailing list for QS beta-testing?
>> Or put a [QS] tag so that your problems with QS text interface don't
>> bother other people who use decent software?
>
>There's a mailing list for QS? Hallelujah! Will wonders never cease?
>It took 3 years but I guess later is better than never.
>
>Please post details for this list under a different Subject heading so all
>the QS users will be aware of it.
There is no such thing as a "QS user", not even a "QS beta-tester".
There are hardly "QS guinea pigs", and that's Richard Christman's drama.
No seasoned privacy user was ever interested to test QS.
Elders tested PI, or JBN1, or JBN2, or Reliable, or Mixmaster, but QS came while they were busy with something else as there was no need at all for any competing windows remailer client.
Richard Christman had to lure newbies and make them his guinea pigs, but they were never able to properly report bugs, poor things are too busy with their own problems as newbies.
Richard Christman raised sock puppets by dozens to create some buzz around his software.
Most his time got spent talking with himself.
Some time was wasted teaching a few newbies how not to piss their shoes.
There was no feedback, worse: no time left for development and debugging.
And the downwards spiral began.
Why do you think QS is still beta, and that buggy after 3 years?
And now, the whole thing pissed off the elders so badly that no one would approach QS even with a long pole.
Back to the initial question:
There will never be a mailing list for QS development.
In case there would be a single real person (not a sock puppet) to test QS, Richard Christman would be too anxious not to show it off.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES THE SIZE OF HIS PENIS
Which penis?
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
>In article <636df4a56bb1410d...@anonymous.poster>
>squi...@echelon.alias.net (Joseph Blow <joe...@acme.com>) wrote:
>> 1. Install JBN
>Flush boring troll post.
Hi, Richard
Don't you think you should spend less time on Usenet and more time programming?
You got to design and program a Graphical User Interface to replace the Text Interface and cut the number of apas posts due to extra or missing blanks, tabs, commas, colons, dots, semi-colons.
You also got to design and program a mechanism to automatically switch to backup URLS in case of HTTP failure and cut the number of apas posts due to websites temporarily down.
You also got a basketful of recurrent bugs to fix and cut the number of apas posts linked to them.
But maybe you are not interested in fixing those things: you like the sound of panicked newbies calling for help.
Fortunately, newbies can turn to JBN which has all those features since last century and millenium.
Unless I am completely wrong, and QS folks are really masochists, fashion victims and lifetime testers, and they indeed get exactly what they were looking for.
We would have to praise your marketing skills, for finding such a niche market, instead of bashing your programming capabilities.
You and QS guinea pigs deserve each other.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), sewer denizen with XXX-large ass-hole and XXX-small IQ QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> reached a new low in human history:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, Dragonet <Drag...@anonymous.to.> wrote:
>Hey, I downloaded QS and PGP and made my self a nym. I even obtained
>access to a web proxy. I was very proud of the fact that I could beat
>the system and email, post and surf anonymously. No sooner than I had
>replied to the nym confirmation, I GOT SPAM! Within an hour! What
>the hell is this? What can I do about it?
There were happy times, when spammers knew that nym accounts were owned by privacy-conscious people they would never fool.
Now, the word passed that there were such lowlifes as QS lusers, bozos happy with inferior software.
Nym addresses became promised land, with rich harvests of suckers able to buy just anything and be so proud of their stupidity that they would recruit new victims themselves.
There should be TAGS for nyms owned by QS brainless, so that spammers can focus on those willing to listen to them.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #3
RICHARD CHRISTMAN MAKES GRANDIOSE OVERSTATEMENTS ABOUT QS SUPREMACY OVER JBN
FROG-ADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <N0TMQZV13741...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: Re: Reply Blocks in QuickSilver
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>References: <ae035s$lfc$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>
><Xns9228C87265601z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206091941...@skuz.net>
><Xns9228DC6377C30z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206092150...@skuz.net>
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 10 Jun 2002 00:03:57 +0200
>Lines: 39
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
>
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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>The point that it is possible that an encrypted mail can arrive
>>immediately after QS checks, is valid. However, I believe it is fair to
>>characterize this as fairly rare. Your point regarding the user
>>forgetting to check with QS is more likely.
>>
>>What's the solution, should this inadvertantly happen?
>>
>>Copy the message from the regular email program to the clipboard and
>>then, in QS, click 'Clipboard|Recieve'.
>>
>>For most of us we have dedicated accounts for our anon purposes--like
>>you and I. Further more, anyone can setup a free account with services
>>such as myrealbox.com. Using the single mailbox for anon and regular
>>mail is simply a consideration for those not yet savvy enough to open a
>>dedicated account. I seriously doubt any other remailer client handles
>>a 'dual-purpose' mailbox any better.
>
>JBN2|Window|ViewMail|Tools|Decrypt|Clipboard
>If you want it shorter: Ctrl-B
>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
Look at the Christman sucker in MAJOR ASS-LICKING MODE !
"Almighty Frog-Admin, fuck my ass, I brought the vaseline, slap me, whip me, but ANSWER.
Show the miscreants I am worth Your time & attention.
Give the world evidence that I am not in Your killfile.
I will drink Your piss, I will eat Your shit, I will swallow Your spunk, I will lick Your footprint, but ANSWER.
Lord, just say one word and You will save me from oblivion"
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
>- --
>R.Christman
>Benchmark Software
>quick...@skuz.net
>http://quickshit.skuz.net
>
>I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Champerty, Peter Palfrader,
>Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
QuickShit author supports every troll on earth, the flooding of apas and refuses apas to be a place where newbies can be informed about privacy issues.
QuickShit author also supports Saddam Hussein, Usama Bin Laden, the killing of whales and nearly anything which would bring some attention from his favourite and only audience:
THE BOZOS OF THE WORLD
QuickShit author is proudly wearing his only medal and title for fame:
"I am a Frog-Admin basher"
and is waiting for the second one
"Frog-Admin boschlooed me"
Quickshit is co-marketed, free with Britney Spears CD and Calvin Klein underwear.
You get a complimentary set of T-shirts:
- -I am a fashion victim
- -I am a masochist
- -I am a lifetime tester
and NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- -A G-String with "I am an ass-hole"
QuickShit is also distributed free in every usenet sewer, at kindergardens, psychiatric wards and welfare offices.
"Use Quickshit once and ruin your privacy forever"
"QuickShit, its chains truncated to one, its text interface, its proprietary database, its duplicated keyrings, its update wizard and its crashes"
"QuickShit, for bozos, by a bozo"
"QuickShit and its world of sock puppets, trolls, and spam, is on a par with Evidence Eliminator on the snake oil contest"
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
QuickSilver has been recommended by truckers unions.
Not for privacy purposes, of course, but as a drunk test.
If you manage to put *all* the required colons, semi-colons, dots, commas where they belong in QS Text Interface, and if you don't mistake tabs for spaces either ....
... then you are definitely sober and ready to drive
(well, at least you were, before that silly test gave you a headache)
Don't drink and drive: use QuickSilver to test your fitness.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
Enron accounts have been certified by Arthur Andersen.
QuickSilver software has been tested by Catdog Zax Schierl Boschloo.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
On 5 Mar 2003, anon...@remailer.hastio.org wrote:
>In article <bffa4dfcd0c02223...@firenze.linux.it>
>Tarapia Tapioco <comes...@ntani.firenze.linux.it> wrote:
>> >What's more, Christman has NEVER promoted his program through spam.
>>
>> SPAM, sock puppets,
>
>STFU troll!
Hi, Christman
Are those accusations by FROG true?
Did you massage your code to give Frog and Dingo a special mistreatment?
Did you flood Dingo?
Will you do the same to anybody not QS-enthusiast enough to your liking?
How is it that you don't answer?
Please answer ASAP and cleanup your name if you can.
On 26 Jan 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote:
>This introduction to say that QS latest versions include a anti-Frog
>kludge: any mail trying to hop though Frog will be flawed by QS
>SpyWare so that it detours to the bit bucket.
>You may check QS binary: FROG appears in it, while there is absolutely
>NO technical reason such data should appear (besides such kludge).
>Same applies to DINGO.
>You may also check that FROG M2NEWS
>(mail...@frogadmin.yi.org,mail2new...@frogadmin.yi.org, are
>conspicuously absent from QS didtribution)
>Remember that QS early versions (for NEARLY ONE YEAR) used only chains
>of ONE remailer, whatever long chains unsuspicious user was
>specifying.
>And, unlike JBN2, QS is NOT GNU-Open_Source.
>
>BOTTOM LINE:
>Don't use QS and any problem with Frog or Dingo will disappear.
>
>RELATED NOTE
>Since last night's intervention by of Dingo Admin about JBN2, DINGO
>has been subjected to a flood and is now answering "mailbox full".
>Look at the smoking gun in QS's Richard Chritman's hands:
>-the opportunity
>-the motives
>-the timing
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #2
RICHARD CHRISTMAN IS PROUD THAT QS OFFERS SMTP AUTHENTICATION
FROG-ADMIN DISMISSES SMTP AUTHENTICATION AS ANOTHER WEAPON FOR FLOODING
"Frog-Admin does not condone flooding, hence he is a flooder"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <CZ48FD2A3760...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: Re: JBN2 and Outgoing mail server requires authentication
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>References: <904682ed7f5a6e1f...@ecn.org>
><qabfvu0jtkht34k9u...@4ax.com>
><R9TD4IKJ3760...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
><jgagvu8j40amgnqen...@4ax.com>
><5HDF184Q376...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 12 Dec 2002 08:57:14 +0100
>Lines: 81
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>On 12 Dec 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>wrote:
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>>
>>On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, xenophon <xenopho...@xenophon.homeip.net>
>>wrote:
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>On 12 Dec 2002 05:49:04 -0000, Frog <FrogRe...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You forgot to mention that most ISP's block port 25 except to their own
>>>>smtp server. This information would be useful if you could suggest a
>>>>remailers smtp that uses a port other that 25.
>>>
>>>Yes I did overlook that, thanks for pointing this out because it's a very
>>>important point. I don't have a list of remailers running smtp on ports
>>>other than 25, but I'll sure research it and I might even try to put up
>>>second smtp server for chicago on a port other than 25 to accomodate
>>>users who's isp are unreasonable and are blocking 25.
>>
>>Would you try
>>OR frogadmin.yi.org:22222
>>OR frogadmin.hn.org:22222
>>OR frogadmin.no-IP.com:22222
>>OR 80.65.224.85:22222
>>
>>instead of
>>OR frogadmin.yi.org:25
>>OR frogadmin.hn.org:25
>>OR frogadmin.no-IP.com:25
>>OR 80.65.224.85:25
>>
>>I did set it up ages ago for a similar request
>>(and don't prepend "smtp." to the name)
>>
>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Also, the 'JBN2 SMTP authentication' is a boring troll
>>There are 2 lines of code to add to JBN to get SMTP authentication
>> (2 lines is by hard-coding password)
>> I released the code last summer or so
>>
>>But a person who *really* has the problem would
>>OR use a MTA on his computer
>> because he would gave the same problem with many other softwares
>>OR directly inject through the SMTP of the first remailer in his chain
>>
>>Besides, I don't see any *real* reason not_to_use the provider's
>>(non-authenticated) SMTP, except to get a *false* feeling of extra
>>privacy.
>
>I meant, of course, besides the *OBVIOUS* reason:
>the guy is a spammer
> and wants to balance his flood between different 3rd party SMTP
> to defeat flood detectors.
>
>- -If the guy has 10 SMTP to inject from,
>- -and there are 50 remailers to inject to
>- -->that is 500 messages
> while every remailer will see no more than one message/IP
>- -->if the guy wants -say- flood apas with 5000 messages
> no remop will see more than 10 messages/IP
>
>>So, I am not willing to waste time on that.
>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>> Would you MAIL your problems to the mailing list for QS beta-testing?
>> Or put a [QS] tag so that your problems with QS text interface don't
>> bother other people who use decent software?
>
>There's a mailing list for QS? Hallelujah! Will wonders never cease?
>It took 3 years but I guess later is better than never.
>
>Please post details for this list under a different Subject heading so all
>the QS users will be aware of it.
There is no such thing as a "QS user", not even a "QS beta-tester".
There are hardly "QS guinea pigs", and that's Richard Christman's drama.
No seasoned privacy user was ever interested to test QS.
Elders tested PI, or JBN1, or JBN2, or Reliable, or Mixmaster, but QS came while they were busy with something else as there was no need at all for any competing windows remailer client.
Richard Christman had to lure newbies and make them his guinea pigs, but they were never able to properly report bugs, poor things are too busy with their own problems as newbies.
Richard Christman raised sock puppets by dozens to create some buzz around his software.
Most his time got spent talking with himself.
Some time was wasted teaching a few newbies how not to piss their shoes.
There was no feedback, worse: no time left for development and debugging.
And the downwards spiral began.
Why do you think QS is still beta, and that buggy after 3 years?
And now, the whole thing pissed off the elders so badly that no one would approach QS even with a long pole.
Back to the initial question:
There will never be a mailing list for QS development.
In case there would be a single real person (not a sock puppet) to test QS, Richard Christman would be too anxious not to show it off.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
>On 29 Jan 2003, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Anonymous Nickname)
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
WHY FROG-ADMIN IGNORES RICHARD CHRISTMAN
Richard Who?
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A.Melon
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, Super-CRETIN Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> insanely babbled:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, Dragonet <Drag...@anonymous.to.> wrote:
>Hey, I downloaded QS and PGP and made my self a nym. I even obtained
>access to a web proxy. I was very proud of the fact that I could beat
>the system and email, post and surf anonymously. No sooner than I had
>replied to the nym confirmation, I GOT SPAM! Within an hour! What
>the hell is this? What can I do about it?
There were happy times, when spammers knew that nym accounts were owned by privacy-conscious people they would never fool.
Now, the word passed that there were such lowlifes as QS lusers, bozos happy with inferior software.
Nym addresses became promised land, with rich harvests of suckers able to buy just anything and be so proud of their stupidity that they would recruit new victims themselves.
There should be TAGS for nyms owned by QS brainless, so that spammers can focus on those willing to listen to them.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES THE SIZE OF HIS PENIS
Which penis?
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
>In article <636df4a56bb1410d...@anonymous.poster>
>squi...@echelon.alias.net (Joseph Blow <joe...@acme.com>) wrote:
>> 1. Install JBN
>Flush boring troll post.
Hi, Richard
Don't you think you should spend less time on Usenet and more time programming?
You got to design and program a Graphical User Interface to replace the Text Interface and cut the number of apas posts due to extra or missing blanks, tabs, commas, colons, dots, semi-colons.
You also got to design and program a mechanism to automatically switch to backup URLS in case of HTTP failure and cut the number of apas posts due to websites temporarily down.
You also got a basketful of recurrent bugs to fix and cut the number of apas posts linked to them.
But maybe you are not interested in fixing those things: you like the sound of panicked newbies calling for help.
Fortunately, newbies can turn to JBN which has all those features since last century and millenium.
Unless I am completely wrong, and QS folks are really masochists, fashion victims and lifetime testers, and they indeed get exactly what they were looking for.
We would have to praise your marketing skills, for finding such a niche market, instead of bashing your programming capabilities.
You and QS guinea pigs deserve each other.
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A.Melon
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Super-CRETIN QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> insanely babbled:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #4
RICHARD CHRISTMAN POSES AS THE INVENTOR OF MULTIPLE CHAINS
RPROCESS HIMSELF REESTABLISHED THE TRUTH IN 1999'
AND FROGADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
(poorly crafted strategy)
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
Message-ID: <CVGCAD8R3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
Subject: Re: reliablity vs detectability
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
References: <63f886f8eceb1158...@remailer.frell.eu.org>
Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
Get information about complaints from the URL below
X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
Date: 28 Dec 2002 13:32:29 +0100
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Fritz Wuehler <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote:
>Advice from the experts requested. I have found mixmaster, using 4
>chains and 4 remailers to almost guarantee that my message will make
>it to a newsgroup.
>
>The problem is that sending a message that way means i have sent 16
>30k messages if I have it right.
4
Multiple chains will get you
- - -(marginal) extra reliability if there are problems bewtween you an
the last remailer
- - -nothing more if the last reailer has a problem
Depending on your remailer client and your source of stats (broken
links),
a single chain with AUTO remailers can be nearly as reliable
a single chain, manually crafted, can be more reliable
(multiplying chains is often a way to hide a poorly crafted strategy
of choosing compatible remailers)
>That is a lot of message to be seen leaving my computer by the nsa or
>whatever 3 letter agency is on duty at the time. So what I am asking
>is if there is some way I can get more or less guaranteed delivery and
>still be undetectable?
>
>If that means using cpunk instead of mixmaster, that's fine, its just
>that mixmaster seems like a pretty good way to guarantee delivery.
Because most remailers do transparent-remix, a Cpunk chain will have
most of the MIX security characteristics betwenen remailers
some extra Cpunk features (...) on top
the only points where Cpunk is arguably weaker is:
the (YOU>FirstRemailer) trunk
the fact that each node must cope with your message size
(leading to reduced choice of remailers for huge messages)
But only the Usenet equivalent of a mullah would wage a war on that:
for small messages and chain lengths of 3+, Cpunk and MIX are pretty
much equivalent
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
>RTFM
>>So what do I have to do?
>RTFM
>> I'm using Quicksilver and put lots of Remailers
>>in my Header-Field, so that the mails arrive more often. But it is still
>>unreliable und doesn't seem to work with de.talk.liebesakt.
>>
>RTFM
>
>RTFM
>
>#1. Quicksilver doesn't work properly. Never has. It has been in Beta
>#testing forever. The author catches so much crap about his half ass
>#program, he sets up sock puppets to talk to himself and praise him.
>>> If your main concern is to minimize downloads size, well it does not
>>> compute
>>> I rather download a 5Mb JBN2.14 once for all, stable for the past
>>> years, than a 1.2Mb QS every week because a new bug was discovered.
>>> After hardly one month, JBN is cheaper.
>>What you say here has nothing to do with the point.
Somebody wanted to make a point about *download size*
It had to be corrected by the *number* of downloads
Final result, size*number, is not in favor of QS
>>QS is lean.
and JBN2 got blue eyes
As Stray Cat pointed out, the GUI has a price
QS has a *lean* plaintext sheet. QS users need to enter the various
semi-colons, colons, commas, blanks asters and tabs in the proper
sequence (and the remailer names).
They have no click and drop interface, they easily make mistakes, and
while QS is lean, the newsgroup is fat with their mistakes. So is the
bit bucket.
JBN2 has a *rich* GUI, clean, neat textbox or droplists for each
parameter, adds required punctuation where it belongs, and puts things
in order. JBN2 users click and drop, and may focus on their post.
QS is much like using JBN without the GUI interface (imagine editing
the .BK or .NBK files with notepad). Hardly a step forward!!!
IN CLOSING
Those who want it lean will run on NIX anyways, those who want a
user-friendly fool-prof GUI will use JBN, and QS has a niche market
for masochists, lifetime testers and fashion victims.
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #1
FROG PROPOSES JBN2 QUICKSTART.
THIS GIVES A NEW YOUTH TO JBN2
THIS KILLS RICHARD CHRISTMAN'S LAST HOPE TO MAKE QS A STANDARD
THERE WAS WORD THAT QS WOULD BECOME SHAREWARE
"My wallet hurts"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <12JLE2BE3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: ATTN: JBN2 newbies-wannabe (JBN2 QuickStart)
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:12:36 +0100
>Lines: 42
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>
>There is a "JBN2 quickstart page" on my
>Client Configurations for LES Dummies
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
>
>Just overwrite the "out of the box" config files, which are packed
>with obsolete data
> *after* JB2_install but *before* JBN2_first_run
>
>There is also a "One-Stop Downloads page"
>Frog DownLoads
>(JBN2 / PGP 2.6.3ia or PGP 6.58 / Mixmaster 2.04b46)
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/MyDownLoad.html
>
>You should avoid *MOST* the hassles experienced by your recent predecessors
> because of obsolete data.
>
>NB:
>The "JBN2 QuickStart" is totally useless after JBN2 *first* run.
>(Unless you uninstall/clear/reinstall, or zap the .dat files)
>The surrounding pages are still of interest, though.
>
>Enjoy
>
>
>
>
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
>- --
>R.Christman
>Benchmark Software
>quick...@skuz.net
>http://quickshit.skuz.net
>
>I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Champerty, Peter Palfrader,
>Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
DOWN WITH USENET LICE
LES COPAINS ET LES COQUINS
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #3
RICHARD CHRISTMAN MAKES GRANDIOSE OVERSTATEMENTS ABOUT QS SUPREMACY OVER JBN
FROG-ADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <N0TMQZV13741...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: Re: Reply Blocks in QuickSilver
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>References: <ae035s$lfc$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>
><Xns9228C87265601z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206091941...@skuz.net>
><Xns9228DC6377C30z...@192.168.0.2>
><200206092150...@skuz.net>
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 10 Jun 2002 00:03:57 +0200
>Lines: 39
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
>
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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>The point that it is possible that an encrypted mail can arrive
>>immediately after QS checks, is valid. However, I believe it is fair to
>>characterize this as fairly rare. Your point regarding the user
>>forgetting to check with QS is more likely.
>>
>>What's the solution, should this inadvertantly happen?
>>
>>Copy the message from the regular email program to the clipboard and
>>then, in QS, click 'Clipboard|Recieve'.
>>
>>For most of us we have dedicated accounts for our anon purposes--like
>>you and I. Further more, anyone can setup a free account with services
>>such as myrealbox.com. Using the single mailbox for anon and regular
>>mail is simply a consideration for those not yet savvy enough to open a
>>dedicated account. I seriously doubt any other remailer client handles
>>a 'dual-purpose' mailbox any better.
>
>JBN2|Window|ViewMail|Tools|Decrypt|Clipboard
>If you want it shorter: Ctrl-B
>
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
>- --
>R.Christman
>Benchmark Software
>quick...@skuz.net
>http://quickshit.skuz.net
>
>I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Champerty, Peter Palfrader,
>Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
QuickShit author supports every troll on earth, the flooding of apas and refuses apas to be a place where newbies can be informed about privacy issues.
QuickShit author also supports Saddam Hussein, Usama Bin Laden, the killing of whales and nearly anything which would bring some attention from his favourite and only audience:
THE BOZOS OF THE WORLD
QuickShit author is proudly wearing his only medal and title for fame:
"I am a Frog-Admin basher"
and is waiting for the second one
"Frog-Admin boschlooed me"
Quickshit is co-marketed, free with Britney Spears CD and Calvin Klein underwear.
You get a complimentary set of T-shirts:
- -I am a fashion victim
- -I am a masochist
- -I am a lifetime tester
and NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- -A G-String with "I am an ass-hole"
QuickShit is also distributed free in every usenet sewer, at kindergardens, psychiatric wards and welfare offices.
"Use Quickshit once and ruin your privacy forever"
"QuickShit, its chains truncated to one, its text interface, its proprietary database, its duplicated keyrings, its update wizard and its crashes"
"QuickShit, for bozos, by a bozo"
"QuickShit and its world of sock puppets, trolls, and spam, is on a par with Evidence Eliminator on the snake oil contest"
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
Look at the Christman sucker in MAJOR ASS-LICKING MODE !
"Almighty Frog-Admin, fuck my ass, I brought the vaseline, slap me, whip me, but ANSWER.
Show the miscreants I am worth Your time & attention.
Give the world evidence that I am not in Your killfile.
I will drink Your piss, I will eat Your shit, I will swallow Your spunk, I will lick Your footprint, but ANSWER.
Lord, just say one word and You will save me from oblivion"
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Anonymous
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
Enron accounts have been certified by Arthur Andersen.
QuickSilver software has been tested by Catdog Zax Schierl Boschloo.
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Anonymous
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, Pit of insanity Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
>- --
>R.Christman
>Benchmark Software
>quick...@skuz.net
>http://quickshit.skuz.net
>
>I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Champerty, Peter Palfrader,
>Len Sassaman, Zax, et al.
DOWN WITH USENET LICE
LES COPAINS ET LES COQUINS
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Anonymous
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:58:43 +0200, Pit of insanity Bluejay of Cotse <fr...@rodent.frell.eu.org> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
<SNIP>
BLUEJAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the CRETIN unable to check a PGP signature, and posing as an EXPERT!!!
The IDIOT with the SHORTEST LIFESPAN in apas before it got BOSCHLOOED!!!!!
The one busy with sandcastles:
BJ|Excuse me, but I must get back to finishing my sandcastle.
<COMPASSIONATE>Poor sandcastle!</COMPASSIONATE>
<SELFISH>I am happy it is the sandcastle and not me!</SELFISH>
<CYNICAL>Who cares what happens to a sandcastle?</CYNICAL>
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES THE SIZE OF HIS PENIS
Which penis?
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY FROG-ADMIN IGNORES RICHARD CHRISTMAN
Richard Who?
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
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>On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>The point that it is possible that an encrypted mail can arrive
>>immediately after QS checks, is valid. However, I believe it is fair to
>>characterize this as fairly rare. Your point regarding the user
>>forgetting to check with QS is more likely.
>>
>>What's the solution, should this inadvertantly happen?
>>
>>Copy the message from the regular email program to the clipboard and
>>then, in QS, click 'Clipboard|Recieve'.
>>
>>For most of us we have dedicated accounts for our anon purposes--like
>>you and I. Further more, anyone can setup a free account with services
>>such as myrealbox.com. Using the single mailbox for anon and regular
>>mail is simply a consideration for those not yet savvy enough to open a
>>dedicated account. I seriously doubt any other remailer client handles
>>a 'dual-purpose' mailbox any better.
>
>JBN2|Window|ViewMail|Tools|Decrypt|Clipboard
>If you want it shorter: Ctrl-B
>
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
Enron accounts have been certified by Arthur Andersen.
QuickSilver software has been tested by Catdog Zax Schierl Boschloo.
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
On 5 Mar 2003, anon...@remailer.hastio.org wrote:
Hi, Christman
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
QuickSilver has been recommended by truckers unions.
Not for privacy purposes, of course, but as a drunk test.
If you manage to put *all* the required colons, semi-colons, dots, commas where they belong in QS Text Interface, and if you don't mistake tabs for spaces either ....
... then you are definitely sober and ready to drive
(well, at least you were, before that silly test gave you a headache)
Don't drink and drive: use QuickSilver to test your fitness.
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #1
FROG PROPOSES JBN2 QUICKSTART.
THIS GIVES A NEW YOUTH TO JBN2
THIS KILLS RICHARD CHRISTMAN'S LAST HOPE TO MAKE QS A STANDARD
THERE WAS WORD THAT QS WOULD BECOME SHAREWARE
"My wallet hurts"
Richard Christman commented briefly
>Message-ID: <12JLE2BE3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
>From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
>Subject: ATTN: JBN2 newbies-wannabe (JBN2 QuickStart)
>Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
>Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
>X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
>X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
>Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
> It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
> You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
> Get information about complaints from the URL below
>X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>Date: 21 Dec 2002 15:12:36 +0100
>Lines: 42
>X-Mail2News-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
>
>
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>There is a "JBN2 quickstart page" on my
>Client Configurations for LES Dummies
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/Configs/JBN2_Quick.html
>
>Just overwrite the "out of the box" config files, which are packed
>with obsolete data
> *after* JB2_install but *before* JBN2_first_run
>
>There is also a "One-Stop Downloads page"
>Frog DownLoads
>(JBN2 / PGP 2.6.3ia or PGP 6.58 / Mixmaster 2.04b46)
> http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/MyDownLoad.html
>
>You should avoid *MOST* the hassles experienced by your recent predecessors
> because of obsolete data.
>
>NB:
>The "JBN2 QuickStart" is totally useless after JBN2 *first* run.
>(Unless you uninstall/clear/reinstall, or zap the .dat files)
>The surrounding pages are still of interest, though.
>
>Enjoy
>
>
>
>
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
>RTFM
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES FROG-ADMIN #4
RICHARD CHRISTMAN POSES AS THE INVENTOR OF MULTIPLE CHAINS
RPROCESS HIMSELF REESTABLISHED THE TRUTH IN 1999'
AND FROGADMIN IS ....... WELL: FROG-ADMIN
(poorly crafted strategy)
"...................."
Richard Christman commented briefly
Message-ID: <CVGCAD8R3761...@Gilgamesh-frog.org>
From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin)
Subject: Re: reliablity vs detectability
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Organization: Happy Lobster & Partners
X-Comment: In Case of Emergency, Flush the Toilet
X-Mailer: JackB.Nymble Version 2.1
References: <63f886f8eceb1158...@remailer.frell.eu.org>
Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail services.
You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
Get information about complaints from the URL below
X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
On 31 Oct 2002, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin/Stats) wrote:
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privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:20:22 -0600 (MDT), Pit of insanity QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> visited a new frontier in ridicule:
WHY CHRISTMAN HATES THE SIZE OF HIS PENIS
Which penis?
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