In Support of Thomas B.
Anonymous
Pro domo speech by Champerty's ghost, re-re-re-impersonated as
>Saddle
BUZZ OFF, TROLL
One can marvel, though, that by flaming Boschloo so intensively,
Script-Kiddie aka Roquefort aka Watchdog aka ... might give him the
much-undeserved stature of a martyr to the privacy cause.
Boschloo's posts about his mental health were off-topic
Boschloo's various phobias (political views?) were at best boring
Boschloo's unapologetic picking on *real* contributors in
cryptography/privacy/remailer fields became really annoying or irritating
Boschloo's attempts to technical answers were a flop, and hopefully ended
in ridicule (CLOWN was the word) before newbies became really misled
A troll is a "regular" too, and mental sickness is no credential to crypto.
Another "interesting" idea:
According to the author, remops are fair game to be flamed, bickered at and
so on.
Although they are the pillars to the community, although they spend their
time and money on systems and networks for us, they deserve shit
While useless champertys and boschloos are off-limits
Bottom line
I would happily dump a truckload of champertys, boschloos and their ilk to
make those they had so bitterly attacked: Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even
Natas ... come back.
I would happily dump the same clique to prevent them from irritating the
functional remops, or deterring the remops-wannabe
I would happily dump them all, admittedly, just for the sake of cleaner
space
THANK YOU, REMOPS, I LOVE YOU ALL, from Austria to Xganon.
You might have your shortcomings, your flaws, I don't care
You are the ones who keep the shop running for us
THANK YOU, REMOPS, I LOVE YOU ALL
A. Melon
No Name
>>Bottom line
>><snip> Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even Natas ... come back.
>
>Uh........ even Lord Natas? <g>
There are ways to *safely* use remailers like Natas at its worst.
But how would you *safely* dispose of a champerty or a boschloo?
Body parts? sure not
Cook it? no way
Food for the cattle? beware mad cow's desease
So, definitely, I second that: "even Lord Natas"
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
(pas du Gouda, hein, ni du Boschloo)
Anonymous
Anonymous
Thomas Boschloo
I Sent YourSaddle Home wrote:
>
> For weeks now, there have been a glut of messages in this group which
> are personal attacks against a regular, Thomas Boschloo.
>
> Usenet is a rough-and-tumble type of forum and personal attacks are
> not uncommon (especially when the poster has no facts to offer or
> valid arguements to present.) But these attacks I find to be
> especially cruel: poking fun at Thomas's mental illness which he was
> courageous enough to tell us about.
>
> First the attacks were on Champerty who apparently couldn't take the
> heat and abandoned APAS and the FAQ. Now the attacks have shifted to
> Thomas (what HE did to deserve this barrage of ridicule and crueltys
> is beyond me.)
>
> Thomas has always been very helpful in answering questions. And his
> upbeat personality is a breath of fresh air in an NG that tends toward
> pessimism and over-seriousness.
>
> Thomas, please don't let these goons bully you. Most of us here know
> the truth about you: you are a decent, kind person and a valued
> contributor to this NG.
Thank you for your very kind and inspiring words,
Thomas
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--
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green."
Ann Onim
Frog2
>But how would you *safely* dispose of a champerty or a boschloo?
>Body parts? sure not
>Cook it? no way
>Food for the cattle? beware mad cow's disease
OUCH! that hurts!
How can you be so cruel and make fun from poor Thomas' mental illness?
You are really out to kill, aren't you?
Pulitzer
above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent YourSaddle Home) wrote:
>Thomas has always been very helpful in answering questions.
Any evidence of that?
A single message-ID would be a real feat: I could not find any.
I mean something
-on-topic (not the description of the pills he needs)
-factual (not his ideas about policies and stuff)
-true and accurate
Every time I found something on-topic and factual, the answer was wrong or
inaccurate or both
Bourgogne
above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
Not necessarily with my own hands
Boschloo may jump under that train and kill himself
Or you may kill each other
I don't mind, but sure I want blood
Anonymous
Not necessarily with my own hands
Boschloo may jump under that train and kill himself
Or you may kill each other
I don't mind, but sure I want blood
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
Public <Anonymous_Account>
Not necessarily with my own hands
Boschloo may jump under that train and kill himself
Or you may kill each other
I don't mind, but sure I want blood
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
Bourgogne
Not necessarily with my own hands
Boschloo may jump under that train and kill himself
Or you may kill each other
I don't mind, but sure I want blood
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
Secret Squirrel
>><snip> Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even Natas ... come back.
>
>Uh........ even Lord Natas? <g>
There are ways to *safely* use remailers like Natas at its worst.
But how would you *safely* dispose of a champerty or a boschloo?
Body parts? sure not
Cook it? no way
Food for the cattle? beware mad cow's desease
So, definitely, I second that: "even Lord Natas"
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
Bourgogne
Not necessarily with my own hands
Boschloo may jump under that train and kill himself
Or you may kill each other
I don't mind, but sure I want blood
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
Any address shown in the From header is unverified.
Nomen Nescio
>><snip> Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even Natas ... come back.
>
>Uh........ even Lord Natas? <g>
There are ways to *safely* use remailers like Natas at its worst.
But how would you *safely* dispose of a champerty or a boschloo?
Body parts? sure not
Cook it? no way
Food for the cattle? beware mad cow's desease
So, definitely, I second that: "even Lord Natas"
Salut les frustres, mangez du Roquefort
Anonymous
Anonymous
An Metet
>As always, your kill file is available to you if Thomas's presence (or
>mine) is just too much free speech for you to bear.
I hate free speech
I want all remailers down
I don't want you into my killfile: I want you and your ilk to the
slaughterhouse
Ann Onim
Anonymous
A. Melon
Anonymous
Nomen Nescio
Anonymous
Igenlode
"A. Melon" <ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
Given that he posts via five or six different remailers using
unpredictable subject-lines, how do I killfile Monsieur du Roquefort?
--
Igenlode
Email address : Igenlode @ nym . alias . net
(without the spaces)
No Name
Anonymous
Anonymous
Public <Anonymous_Account>
Thomas Boschloo
> Bottom line
> I would happily dump a truckload of champertys, boschloos and their ilk to
> make those they had so bitterly attacked: Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even
> Natas ... come back.
FYI, Eelbash was most aggressively attacked by other remops, like Green
and Orange. He was also removed from various stats pages, including EFGA
and Frog-Admin's IIRC. At that time Eelbash was still alive and kicking,
he was just not listed.
Widow was kicked by its provider 'Chello' IIRC in responce to abuse.
I never payed much attention to Bilgates, because I secretly hate Bill
Gates and everything he stands for. And Natas must have been from before
my time. I never heard of it (but I guess it had poor security from your
posting, turning it into a 'non-anonymous spam relay').
Thomas
--
Jessica "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way"
Thomas Boschloo
> Given that he posts via five or six different remailers using
> unpredictable subject-lines, how do I killfile Monsieur du Roquefort?
Easy, try <http://www.nfilter.org> for free as a proxy to your news
reader. He's not hard to kill file and never has been (even during his
floods).
But you'll miss out all the fun that way, are you sure you want to do
that?
Thomas Boschloo
> I was left with the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that the author of
> JBN2 used to post here but hasn't for quite some time. Is this correct or
> did I get it wrong?
This is correct. He wrote JBN even before I ever heard about this
newsgroup from Stray Cat.
> I know nothing about this person, but in learning to use JBN2 my
> appreciation for the person or persons who created it has just kept rising
> and rising. A few words about this person or persons or a pointer to some
> information which gives some history about JBN2 would be appreciated.
<http://www.skuz.net/potatoware>
Not only has he (RProcess) written JBNx, but also Reliable and
suggestions for the next (third) generation of (distributed) remailers
(WOF).
But while he obviously is a great and inspiring guy, he also seemed very
paranoid to me. He did claim that Mixmaster's 1024 bit RSA keys were not
secure enough at all, while you could ask Sam Simpson or any of the
crypto gods in sci.crypt any time whether they think this is true. If
people are interested I suggest them to first read Sam Simpsons FAQ (he
is in the process of writting a new update).
<http://www.scramdisk.clara.net/pgpfaq.html>
He also wrote all his stuff in Visual Basic. A language made by
Microsoft, a corporation not widely known for its excellent security
practices. I for myself would put my money on Quicksilver
<http://quicksilver.skuz.net> if I needed _serious_ security. Or even
resort to a well maintained Unix/Linux flavor.
A. Melon
>Igenlode wrote:
>
>> Given that he posts via five or six different remailers using
>> unpredictable subject-lines, how do I killfile Monsieur du Roquefort?
>
>Easy, try <http://www.nfilter.org> for free as a proxy to your news
Filter on author: "Boschloo" should do
No Name
>
>> Bottom line
>> I would happily dump a truckload of champertys, boschloos and their ilk to
>> make those they had so bitterly attacked: Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even
>> Natas ... come back.
>
>FYI,
As usual, Boschloo is trying to spread false information
As usual, Boschloo is trying to create dissent between remops
As usual, Boschloo is trying to create dissent between people here
WHY?
Boschloo is not one of us, he is not a remailer user.
HE IS A TROLL AND A CLOWN AT BEST, MAYBE WORSE
Anonymous
>
>> Bottom line
>> I would happily dump a truckload of champertys, boschloos and their ilk to
>> make those they had so bitterly attacked: Eelbash, Bilgates or Widow, even
>> Natas ... come back.
>
>FYI,
Anonymous
>
>> Given that he posts via five or six different remailers using
>> unpredictable subject-lines, how do I killfile Monsieur du Roquefort?
>
>Easy, try <http://www.nfilter.org> for free as a proxy to your news
Filter on author: "Boschloo" should do
Igenlode
Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> Igenlode wrote:
>
> > Given that he posts via five or six different remailers using
> > unpredictable subject-lines, how do I killfile Monsieur du Roquefort?
>
> Easy, try <http://www.nfilter.org> for free as a proxy to your news
> reader. He's not hard to kill file and never has been (even during his
> floods).
Thank you for the pointer, but I cannot run 32-bit Windows programs.
However, my current newsreader is extremely good (scores 93% on the Good
Net-Keeping site); it supports scoring and filtering on multiple header
lines and I am sure that it could be configured to do the job if I just
knew what common factor to look for. Unfortunately I really can't see
one. (He isn't even using 'Roquefort' any more).
>
> But you'll miss out all the fun that way, are you sure you want to do
> that?
>
This last outrage has gone beyond a joke. I think others in this
group feel the same.
By the way, I am very glad to see that you are all right.
Frog2
>But while he obviously is a great and inspiring guy, he also seemed very
>paranoid to me. He did claim that Mixmaster's 1024 bit RSA keys were not
>secure enough at all, while you could ask Sam Simpson or any of the
>crypto gods in sci.crypt any time whether they think this is true. If
>people are interested I suggest them to first read Sam Simpsons FAQ (he
>is in the process of writting a new update).
>
><http://www.scramdisk.clara.net/pgpfaq.html>
>
>He also wrote all his stuff in Visual Basic. A language made by
>Microsoft, a corporation not widely known for its excellent security
>practices. I for myself would put my money on Quicksilver
><http://quicksilver.skuz.net> if I needed _serious_ security. Or even
>resort to a well maintained Unix/Linux flavor.
AND NOW BOSCHLLO TROLL SPITS AT RPROCESS !!!
RProcess wroote a client for the most widespread platform,
to accomodate MOST of us
HIGH CRIME, says Boshloo
We know what that suckker stans for now:
AGAINST THE EASY USEOF REMAILERS
Did nobody notice that he is not even a user ??????
He is not one of us.
Who is he to lecture us, but an opponent to privacy ?
No Name
>But while he obviously is a great and inspiring guy, he also seemed very
>paranoid to me. He did claim that Mixmaster's 1024 bit RSA keys were not
>secure enough at all, while you could ask Sam Simpson or any of the
>crypto gods in sci.crypt any time whether they think this is true. If
>people are interested I suggest them to first read Sam Simpsons FAQ (he
>is in the process of writting a new update).
>
><http://www.scramdisk.clara.net/pgpfaq.html>
>
>He also wrote all his stuff in Visual Basic. A language made by
>Microsoft, a corporation not widely known for its excellent security
>practices. I for myself would put my money on Quicksilver
><http://quicksilver.skuz.net> if I needed _serious_ security. Or even
>resort to a well maintained Unix/Linux flavor.
AND NOW BOSCHLLO TROLL SPITS AT RPROCESS !!!
Nomen Nescio
>But while he obviously is a great and inspiring guy, he also seemed very
>paranoid to me. He did claim that Mixmaster's 1024 bit RSA keys were not
>secure enough at all, while you could ask Sam Simpson or any of the
>crypto gods in sci.crypt any time whether they think this is true. If
>people are interested I suggest them to first read Sam Simpsons FAQ (he
>is in the process of writting a new update).
>
><http://www.scramdisk.clara.net/pgpfaq.html>
>
>He also wrote all his stuff in Visual Basic. A language made by
>Microsoft, a corporation not widely known for its excellent security
>practices. I for myself would put my money on Quicksilver
><http://quicksilver.skuz.net> if I needed _serious_ security. Or even
>resort to a well maintained Unix/Linux flavor.
AND NOW BOSCHLLO TROLL SPITS AT RPROCESS !!!
Frog-Admin
On Sat, 03 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>FYI, Eelbash was most aggressively attacked by other remops, like Green
>and Orange. He was also removed from various stats pages, including EFGA
>and Frog-Admin's IIRC. At that time Eelbash was still alive and kicking,
>he was just not listed.
Frog-Admin (me) was on vacation at the time
FrogRemailer was shut down, remailer and stats.
Stats pages were removed from WWW from Beg June to End October
And I expressed my opinion through private E-mails
(you were not among the recipients)
In any case my position was *not* the one you suggest
1) What is your point:
are you trying to ignite a war between remops
or really you don't have a clue
the potential consequences of what you are doing?
2) You already made comments about my private life
and I issued a denial:
news:EBAZX30N3694...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org
that you had no access to such information
I got other priorities
I don't want to issue denials twice a week about your misrepresentations
Will you refrain or should I issue a blanket denial?
3) I *STILL* give you the benefit of the doubt
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Ann Onim
>
>Thank you for your very kind and inspiring words,
>Thomas
I'm not the person who wrote that post, but I second it.
I agree with Frog-Admin; this is likely "Script-Kiddie"
or someone like this who is---
making personal attacks vs you (and maybe Champerty
too, or at least fanning the flames);
trying to start a war between Frog and Shinn;
Trying to start a war between the "French vs Americans"
or "Europeans vs Americans";
All because this person hates remailers, and wants
to create divisions. Ignore him/them.
Thomas Boschloo
Frog-Admin wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> >FYI, Eelbash was most aggressively attacked by other remops, like Green
> >and Orange. He was also removed from various stats pages, including EFGA
> >and Frog-Admin's IIRC. At that time Eelbash was still alive and kicking,
^^^^
> >he was just not listed.
>
> Frog-Admin (me) was on vacation at the time
> FrogRemailer was shut down, remailer and stats.
I remember this.
> Stats pages were removed from WWW from Beg June to End October
> And I expressed my opinion through private E-mails
> (you were not among the recipients)
Maybe some got posted to the newsgroup. I seem to remember you also
posting at some moments during your vacation, from a laptop or cybercafe
or something. It is a shame you weren't around when all this happened
:-( I must admit I forgot about your vacation until you brought it up
again.
> In any case my position was *not* the one you suggest
Maybe I was wrong (again) about you, but I clearly remember green and
possibly orange also blocking all traffic to or from Eelbash. This was
at the same time Alex de Joode posted his 'A.R.T.' of remailers. And
even the maintainer of the EFGA remailer list posted to this group about
not listing the Eelbash remailer on his page. I think I remember people
and remops wanting Eelbash to add 'filter' and 'mon' to its capabilities
list. I also (apparently incorrectly) assumed you were one of them and
you took part in this boycot. (To be honest, I don't know which stat
page listed Eelbash anyway, maybe it *was* you!?)
> 1) What is your point:
> are you trying to ignite a war between remops
No, I am just expressing my opinions. It is not like remops aren't
allowed to operate their remailers based on different philosophies. I
for one think it is a shame Eelbash has gone. It was a pretty good
remailer I think. High bandwidth, custom from line, fast.
> or really you don't have a clue
> the potential consequences of what you are doing?
I guess not. I am open to suggestions however.
> 2) You already made comments about my private life
> and I issued a denial:
> news:EBAZX30N3694...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org
> that you had no access to such information
I confused you with Stephen Gielda. I already expressed this publicly. I
don't see what all your fuzz is about. It is now illegal to confuse
people with each other?? I got mixed up with 'Bosch' and in the past
have been mixed up with others (like even Imad). I am also not very good
with names.
> I got other priorities
> I don't want to issue denials twice a week about your misrepresentations
> Will you refrain or should I issue a blanket denial?
Just keep correcting any misinformation by me. I always thought I used a
lot of 'I think', 'IIRC', 'If I am not mistaken', 'Perhaps', 'Maybe', 'I
assume'. The internet is a medium where you should never take things for
sure. You should check and double check before believing any information
you read.
> 3) I *STILL* give you the benefit of the doubt
I do disagree with some of the things you do. But I wouldn't want you to
leave at all! I like different opinions. It means people have thought
about them.
Good luck,
Thomas
(BTW I don't think I deserve to be attacked by you, you are only feeding
the French troll who clearly is admiring you and the actions you take to
filter 'trolls').
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(BTW I did a google search on eelbash and stats, and it seemed you
removed eelbash from your stats at some point, I guess it would have
been already dead by then, but what if it wasn't. At least I turned out
to be right about Andy Dustman from the EFGA stats. So that makes me
half right. I wonder, could Script-Kiddie be Eelbash-Admin?? I have a
key from Eelbash dated 30th May 2000, hmm, I'll do some more research)
Frog-Admin
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>Frog-Admin wrote:
>> or really you don't have a clue
>> the potential consequences of what you are doing?
>
>I guess not. I am open to suggestions however.
Script-Kiddie is looming around
Script-Kiddies's obvious last strategy is to
widen any disagreement between people
try creating divisions
possibly a schism, a split of the network, among whatever lines
Anybody serious about remailers should ponder
the risks from Script-Kiddie
with the pleasure of recalling past wars, creating new frictions...
>I wonder, could Script-Kiddie be Eelbash-Admin??
Script-Kiddie lives (lived) in France
(I would say his slang is from Paris)
I got my own short list (~10 names)
with @ which trigger special treatment from my systems
I was thinking of *those people* when I wrote my policies
so far I got nothing more than "coincidences" against them
Politiques FR
http://yi.org/frogadmin/Pol_FR.html
Policies EN
http://yi.org/frogadmin/Pol_EN.html
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Spectator
above. Always use cryptographic digital signatures to verify
the identity of the sender of any usenet post or e-mail.
On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>> 2) You already made comments about my private life
>> and I issued a denial:
>> news:EBAZX30N3694...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org
>> that you had no access to such information
>
>I confused you with Stephen Gielda. I already expressed this publicly. I
>don't see what all your fuzz is about.
Are you really that thick, Boschloo?
Frog-Admin drinks Champagne rose
Frog-Admin smokes Davidoff cigarillos
Frog-Admin talks about gender(s)
Frog-Addmin never talks about "spouse" "wife" "husband" "children"
Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
She is not happy to be mistaken with motorcycle-toting machos
She is upset and hurt when you talk about children and family life
Is that too complicated, do you really lack finesse that much?
Or is it narrow-mindedness to an extreme?
Anonymous
>Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
I don't believe it.
Even if lesbians, even if smoking the cigar or the pipe,
females just don't have the brains and the balls to run a remailer.
Plain simple.
The only persona here introducing herself as a female was "Katherine".
Although she made lots of noise about it,
her remailer never lasted more than a menstruation.
Nomen Nescio
>Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
I don't believe it.
A. Melon
>Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
I don't believe it.
A. Melon
>Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
I don't believe it.
Even if lesbians, even if smoking the cigar or the pipe,
females just don't have the brains and the balls to run a remailer.
Plain simple.
The only persona here introducing herself as a female was "Katherine".
Although she made lots of noise about it,
her remailer never lasted more than a menstruation.
WEIRD: MY ANSWER WOULD NOT POST WITH "DYKE" AS SUBJECT....
An Metet
>> >FYI, Eelbash was most aggressively attacked by other remops, like Green
>> >and Orange. He was also removed from various stats pages, including EFGA
>> >and Frog-Admin's IIRC.
That is your problem: you don't remember correctly
You get lost in details of who did what
What really matters, what should really be remembered, is the lesson:
-remailer operators should not engage in pissing contests
-remailer operators should not exclude each others and jeopardize the
network
-responsible people should not push remailer operators into those games
-responsible people should say "thank you" to remailer operators for what
they do
-and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
Pulitzer
>Maybe I was wrong (again) about you, but I clearly remember green and
>possibly orange also blocking all traffic to or from Eelbash. This was
>at the same time Alex de Joode posted his 'A.R.T.' of remailers. And
>even the maintainer of the EFGA remailer list posted to this group about
>not listing the Eelbash remailer on his page. I think I remember people
>and remops wanting Eelbash to add 'filter' and 'mon' to its capabilities
>list. I also (apparently incorrectly) assumed you were one of them and
>you took part in this boycot. (To be honest, I don't know which stat
>page listed Eelbash anyway, maybe it *was* you!?)
Oh yes, Thomas, make us all remember that nice mud-slinging party.
Orange deleting all messages coming from Eelbash or going to it.
Green making the same decision *within_minutes*
Cameleon blocking Orange and Green in retaliation
Lcs taking Cameleon and Green and Orange off its stats
Efga suspending its stats because he would not take sides
Orange and Green claiming they were different persons.
Using the same server, with the same typos in their 'communique',
with the same double-posting.
Orange and Green *ordering* Turing to modify its stats because he dared
listing them as 'same operator'
(Did you notice how Green admin now answers when you ask Orange operator?
he does not say "my dear friend O" any more: he says : "I")
Orange promising to turn non-middleman if given enough money to buy a line
(where is he, now, he never turned non-middleman anyways)
Arick coming to the recue while he had never been anything but a third-zone
middleman
Katherine too (who characterized her remailer as "SF" (like Spam-Friendly
or Science-Fiction)) came by, said she would be the greatest, and her
"Badjuju" survived 3 days
Somebody else wanted to show off, and his remailer lasted 5 days
And a third champion of total free speech did not make 24 hours before
shutting shop
Somebody else (Champerty or Jungle or Ziggy, but is it different?), saying
that Eelbash was Frog, and that anyways it was the Frog's fault, both
should be burnt
Burnore came to join the fun, and so did Pangborn
And Eelbash grew bigger and bigger because it had the muscle to, until he
got pissed off and left, like Bilgates did and so many others
Eelbash pretending to quit filtering: "I saw the light", and saying
"suckers" couple of days later
Oh yes, I like that story
Thousands of messages lost, deleted by the ones or the others, stats upside
down, the network about to split, users reducing their chains to a maximum
of two to give their mails a chance to go through.
All that started by Orange-Green, which had just entered the network a
couple of weeks before
Thank you, Thomas.
For making us recall those nice memories and trying to put oil on it and
insisting to fan on it. You are great help.
Pulitzer
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>Maybe I was wrong (again) about you, but I clearly remember green and
>possibly orange also blocking all traffic to or from Eelbash. This was
>at the same time Alex de Joode posted his 'A.R.T.' of remailers. And
>even the maintainer of the EFGA remailer list posted to this group about
>not listing the Eelbash remailer on his page. I think I remember people
>and remops wanting Eelbash to add 'filter' and 'mon' to its capabilities
>list. I also (apparently incorrectly) assumed you were one of them and
>you took part in this boycot. (To be honest, I don't know which stat
>page listed Eelbash anyway, maybe it *was* you!?)
Oh yes, Thomas, make us all remember that nice mud-slinging party.
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent Your Saddle Home) wrote:
>You forgot:
>Responsible people should always eat their vegetables.
>
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
>If you want such things forgotten why did you follow-up on the subject
>then? I'm glad you did follow up! It should not be forgotten. And it
>is dead on topic here.
>Eelbash was fast (high latency). But it was a terrible remailer.
>Still lots of people used it and trusted it. Do we want secure,
>anonymous remailers or do we just want fast mail servers that
>strip headers?
************BEWARE: SMELLS LIKE CHAMPERTY TROLL
ATTACK******************************
Poor tiny champerty-jungle-ziggyB
You are still mourning your being expelled from apas and the faq
You still want to tell operators how to run their remailers
You still want to tell users which remailers they should be using
Our little remailer-cop is still frustrated that people behave the way they
please, and not complying to his "visions", ukazes and exclusions
EELBASH WAS A SUCCESS FOR AS LONG AS IT WANTED TO STAY
WHILE YOU ARE AN ENDLESS FAILURE
COPE WITH IT
I don't even tell you: "run your own remailer"
We know very well you don't have the balls for it
You don't have a clue either,
but since you are moping around you could have got an idea
or buy a chimp to push on the buttons for a Reliable.
It takes more time to grow balls, and you won't.
And how is that fantasy about your girlfriend being so infatuated with your
body that she wants to keep you all for herself? Got a sore wrist?
Frog2
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent Your Saddle Home) wrote:
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
That looks like a bad case of envy, M Champerty aka ziggyB aka jungle aka Saddle
Thank you for being so explicit about your real motives
(I mean for the ones who did not already know)
You spitted at Frog, then you spitted at Eelbash, then you spitted at Austria.
What does it take to get excommunicated by you?
SUCCESS
You are a failure and you hate anybody succesful in whatever domain
Bill_Gates-hater, too: I bet!!!
When did that start, champerty brat?
When little girl in sandbox said:
"He is too ugly, I won't let him my pail"
How many people did you hate since she preferred that carrot-haired freckle-faced toddler?
Nomen Nescio
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent Your Saddle Home) wrote:
>You forgot:
>Responsible people should always eat their vegetables.
>
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
Oh
>Eelbash remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
YOU STINK CRASS ENVY
Go and crawl back to your hole.
And get a life (if you can)
Nomen Nescio
Was that the time with those nice subjects, about Eel-bashing,
Frog-stomping, Orange squashing, while Arick was scorned as anal-retentive,
Katherine with her PMS, Shinn's anality exposed along with Efga ass-holism.
Turing trying to put pieces together, Gretchen thundering, Squirrel on its
tree and Dizum cashing on Replay.
Great times, sure, we miss it, that was fun
An Metet
>Eelbash remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
YEAH
Any succesful remailer should be shut down
We know about your story
A. Melon
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
That looks like a bad case of envy, M Champerty aka ziggyB aka jungle aka Saddle
Nomen Nescio
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
>If you want such things forgotten why did you follow-up on the subject
>then? I'm glad you did follow up! It should not be forgotten. And it
>is dead on topic here.
>Eelbash was fast (high latency). But it was a terrible remailer.
>Still lots of people used it and trusted it. Do we want secure,
>anonymous remailers or do we just want fast mail servers that
>strip headers?
Great, M Champerty
You play right in the hand of Script-Kiddie
Unless you ARE script-kiddie
With friends like you, who needs ennemies?
You wont stop while there are healthy and succesful remailers, won't you?
Are you just jealous or are you specifically against remailers?
BOTH: I see
Buy yourself a dog and boss it around.
Users don't need your directives about good and evil
How you managed into writing the faq is beyond me,
but eventually you were exposed and expelled.
GOOD RIDDANCE
and don't try to come back through the window.
Ann Onim
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
Pulitzer
>Maybe I was wrong (again) about you, but I clearly remember green and
>possibly orange also blocking all traffic to or from Eelbash. This was
>at the same time Alex de Joode posted his 'A.R.T.' of remailers. And
>even the maintainer of the EFGA remailer list posted to this group about
>not listing the Eelbash remailer on his page. I think I remember people
>and remops wanting Eelbash to add 'filter' and 'mon' to its capabilities
>list. I also (apparently incorrectly) assumed you were one of them and
>you took part in this boycot. (To be honest, I don't know which stat
>page listed Eelbash anyway, maybe it *was* you!?)
Oh yes, Thomas, make us all remember that nice mud-slinging party.
Oh
>Eelbash remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
YOU STINK CRASS ENVY
Anonymous
Was that the time with those nice subjects, about Eel-bashing,
Anonymous
>Eelbash remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
YEAH
Sniff-Sniff
>You forgot:
>Responsible people should always eat their vegetables.
>
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
>If you want such things forgotten why did you follow-up on the subject
>then? I'm glad you did follow up! It should not be forgotten. And it
>is dead on topic here.
>Eelbash was fast (high latency). But it was a terrible remailer.
>Still lots of people used it and trusted it. Do we want secure,
>anonymous remailers or do we just want fast mail servers that
>strip headers?
************BEWARE: SMELLS LIKE CHAMPERTY TROLL
Pulitzer
>Maybe I was wrong (again) about you, but I clearly remember green and
>possibly orange also blocking all traffic to or from Eelbash. This was
>at the same time Alex de Joode posted his 'A.R.T.' of remailers. And
>even the maintainer of the EFGA remailer list posted to this group about
>not listing the Eelbash remailer on his page. I think I remember people
>and remops wanting Eelbash to add 'filter' and 'mon' to its capabilities
>list. I also (apparently incorrectly) assumed you were one of them and
>you took part in this boycot. (To be honest, I don't know which stat
>page listed Eelbash anyway, maybe it *was* you!?)
Oh yes, Thomas, make us all remember that nice mud-slinging party.
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent Your Saddle Home) wrote:
>You forgot:
>Responsible people should always eat their vegetables.
>
>The lesson I learned from the backlash to Eelbash was very different
>and much less moralistic then yours:
>
>There are (and should be) limits to what will be tolerated under the
>banner: "It's my remailer and I'll run it however I want to."
>
>To his credit, Andy Dustman refused to list Eelbash in his EFGA stats
>because it's policies had pushed it outside the boundaries of any
>reasonable definition of an anonymous remailer. Eelbash Admin
>regularly spoke of wanting a more "wholesome Internet", admitted to
>monitoring traffic and spoke of a desire to hack Reliable so that
>"offensive" words in the body of messages could be flagged and
>messages dropped.
>
>Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
>backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
>I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
>> -and all the rest is best forgotten (and forgiven)
>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nomen Nescio
>>and don't try to come back through the window.
>
>I've been lurking here for eight months. I recently began posting.
>I chose a name: I Sent Your Saddle Home.
>Get used to it. Cause I'm not leaving.
>And I'm not these other people that you say I am. That fact won't
>change no matter how many times you and your sock puppets might
>repeat it here.
Still the same rhyme:
"I am the white knight"
"I will show you the light"
"I will protect you, against yourself if neeeded"
"Let us boycott/takedown/mailbomb remailer xxx"
Your agenda is just a bit too identical to avowed remailer-haters
Your targets and your means are just a bit too much of a carbon copy of
theirs
I am a grown up, I look after my own protection
May God help against those who want to protect me
Secret Squirrel
>Orange deleting all messages coming from Eelbash or going to it.
>Green making the same decision *within_minutes*
>Cameleon blocking Orange and Green in retaliation
>Lcs taking Cameleon and Green and Orange off its stats
>Efga suspending its stats because he would not take sides
>Orange and Green claiming they were different persons.
>Using the same server, with the same typos in their 'communique',
>with the same double-posting.
>Orange and Green *ordering* Turing to modify its stats because he dared
>listing them as 'same operator'
[Laundry list of old grievances snipped]
Who gives a flying fuck about any of this nonsense?
The relevant issue is that the remailer network does work and still works,
and will continue to work, regardless of the personalities involved. Keep
track of broken chains and don't use remailers if you don't like them and
shut the fuck up unless you have something worthwhile to say! Thanks to
all remops even if most of them seem to be completely insane. A sane
person wouldn't run a remailer in the first place so thank "Bob" for the
crazies willing to put up with this idiotic bullshit.
Nomen Nescio
>>Oh yes, Thomas, make us all remember that nice mud-slinging party.
>
>Who gives a flying fuck about any of this nonsense?
Thomas J Boschloo
I Sent Your Saddle Home
Pulitzer
Champerty
ZiggyB
jungle
Script-Kiddie
Roquefort
American
How many *different* people behind those screen names?
take a wild guess: 1 - 9
Paul Rubin
> Eelbash was fast (high latency). But it was a terrible remailer.
> Still lots of people used it and trusted it. Do we want secure,
> anonymous remailers or do we just want fast mail servers that
> strip headers?
Both are useful. Penet.fi was a well-loved remailer even though it
actually retained people's real addresses. As long as everyone knew
that, it was fine.
The main thing is to not mistake one type of server for the other,
which means the operator must be open about what they're doing.
Eelbash didn't pretend to be something it wasn't, as far as I know.
Thomas Boschloo
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2001, sh...@plainmail.com (I Sent Your Saddle Home) wrote:
>
> >Regardless, Eelbash continued to operate for months after the
> >backlash. He remained at the top of the stats pages (his primary goal,
> >I suspect) until his decision to close down. Go figure.
>
> That looks like a bad case of envy, M Champerty aka ziggyB aka jungle aka Saddle
> Thank you for being so explicit about your real motives
> (I mean for the ones who did not already know)
I have a good hunch that Champerty still lurks this group, but that he
does not post. I have this info from a reliable source I believe. And of
course some speculation by myself. I have in fact some information that
suggest it might have been me that caused Champerty to leave. A simple
off-group misunderstanding between the two of us. (I hope you forgive me
Champ, for telling this to the group. I just wanted people to know).
> When did that start, champerty brat?
> When little girl in sandbox said:
> "He is too ugly, I won't let him my pail"
> How many people did you hate since she preferred that carrot-haired freckle-faced toddler?
Champerty is not a pedophile I think. His interests lay elsewhere.
Regards,
Thomas J. Boschloo
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Thomas Boschloo
Amen to that!
Thank you,
Thomas
Thomas Boschloo
> Thomas J Boschloo
> I Sent Your Saddle Home
> Pulitzer
> Champerty
> ZiggyB
> jungle
> Script-Kiddie
> Roquefort
> American
>
> How many *different* people behind those screen names?
> take a wild guess: 1 - 9
At least five I would say (and I know about the first one).
TJB
Thomas Boschloo
> And how is that fantasy about your girlfriend being so infatuated with your
> body that she wants to keep you all for herself? Got a sore wrist?
What? From fist-fucking?
"Say what you mean and say it mean!!" -- Jim Thirwell AKA Foetus
Thomas
Thomas Boschloo
Spectator wrote:
> Are you really that thick, Boschloo?
>
> Frog-Admin drinks Champagne rose
> Frog-Admin smokes Davidoff cigarillos
> Frog-Admin talks about gender(s)
> Frog-Addmin never talks about "spouse" "wife" "husband" "children"
>
> Frog-Admin is a dyke, or probably a group of dykes
So what? Some of the nicest people I know are gay, lesbian or bi. There
is nothing wrong with that.
> She is not happy to be mistaken with motorcycle-toting machos
> She is upset and hurt when you talk about children and family life
I Holland gay couples can get married and adopt children. You could even
get artificial insemination if you are a lesbian couple! And you can
pick the donor :-)
> Is that too complicated, do you really lack finesse that much?
> Or is it narrow-mindedness to an extreme?
Think about it this way: Do females need men? No, take two female eggs,
take out the the core from one egg and put it into the other. The
result: a fertilized female egg.
Now take two male sperm cells, how the hell are you going to put them
together!! Like the sugar cubes said in their song delicious demon from
their debut album life it too god: "One man needs one honey, but one
honey needs no man". Rember that, _we_ are the weaker species, not the
females.
Thomas
(BTW to be sure: I guess I am that thick! Your aguments are highly
speculative to say the least!)
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"If you're alive, God must be dead" -- Dead Kennedies, In God we trust
E.P.
Thomas
Frog2
How did you find about my kill-file?
Anonymous
>On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas J Boschloo
>>> I Sent Your Saddle Home
>>> Pulitzer
>>> Champerty
>>> ZiggyB
>>> jungle
>>> Script-Kiddie
>>> Roquefort
>>> American
>>>
>>> How many *different* people behind those screen names?
>>> take a wild guess: 1 - 9
>>
>>At least five I would say (and I know about the first one).
>
>
>After all, Script-Kiddie could be a collective.
Same as "Frog-Admin" being a group of French dykes?
Or the "Holy Trinity" christian dogma?
>Shame that between them
>they can't muster the same IQ as someone admitting to mental health
>problems.
You are talking about negative IQs there
Those maths are too complicated for me
[OK, I went a bit further in my maths than arithmetics.
But Boschloo and Saddle and ilk won't go further than my killfile.
If Script-Kiddie aka Roquefort aka Sauternes aka ... would oblige and
settle for a name]
Nomen Nescio
>On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas J Boschloo
>>> I Sent Your Saddle Home
>>> Pulitzer
>>> Champerty
>>> ZiggyB
>>> jungle
>>> Script-Kiddie
>>> Roquefort
>>> American
>>>
>>> How many *different* people behind those screen names?
>>> take a wild guess: 1 - 9
>>
>>At least five I would say (and I know about the first one).
>
No Name
>Frog-Admin wrote:
>> I got other priorities
>> I don't want to issue denials twice a week about your misrepresentations
>> Will you refrain or should I issue a blanket denial?
>Just keep correcting any misinformation by me.
You really don't get the point
We need all the time Frog can dedicate to its remailer and qtats and
website and us and newbies and possibly also helping new operators to
startup
If I understood well, it is also thanks to Frog if Farout is still alive
with a new SMTP
And if he got free time for himself, he deserves it
I for one don't want him to spend his time denying your endless
speculations
So, get off his back
>(BTW I don't think I deserve to be attacked by you, you are only feeding
>the French troll who clearly is admiring you and the actions you take to
>filter 'trolls').
You are really thick:
Script-Kiddie is *primarily* after Frog-Admin.
Killing all remailers is only a *secondary* target.
Since November, SK did its best to oppose everybody to everybody else,
*starting* with FA.
And I don't think FA is *attacking* you
He has every right to correct or deny your speculations about him/her/them.
And apparently he/she/they is plain informing you that you are about to
land in his/her/their killfile.
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>On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>>(BTW I don't think I deserve to be attacked by you
>And I don't think FA is *attacking* you
>He has every right to correct or deny your speculations about him/her/them.
>And apparently he/she/they is plain informing you that you are about to
>land in his/her/their killfile.
I had missed that one from Boscloo (guess why...)
I wish I see Frog-Admin (or any remailer operator with a T1 or cable or
xDSL) attack an individual with a dial-up line.
Result must be pretty ugly for the attacked's mailbox.
Poor Boschloo is still fantasizing, this time about his own importance.
At least, this time I laughed
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2001, Thomas Boschloo <nos...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>I have a good hunch that Champerty still lurks this group, but that he
>does not post. I have this info from a reliable source I believe.
Undisclosed source to Boschloo: it starts great
>And of course some speculation by myself.
Of course (what a surprise!)
>I have in fact some information that
>suggest it might have been me that caused Champerty to leave.
We would be glad to put that to your credit: Champerty is good riddance
Unfortunately, it is hard to believe that any of your actions might be of
any importance to anybody, even to a Champerty
>A simple off-group misunderstanding between the two of us.
May the misunderstanding between the two parts of your brain lead to same
decision about yourselves
>> When did that start, champerty brat?
>> When little girl in sandbox said:
>> "He is too ugly, I won't let him my pail"
>> How many people did you hate since she preferred that carrot-haired
>> freckle-faced toddler?
>
>Champerty is not a pedophile I think. His interests lay elsewhere.
Really, you don't understand a thing, poor Boschloo
You are so thick.
Obviously, you can't get over your *own* obsessions
Nomen Nescio
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>I have a good hunch that Champerty still lurks this group, but that he
>does not post. I have this info from a reliable source I believe.
Undisclosed source to Boschloo: it starts great
>And of course some speculation by myself.
Of course (what a surprise!)
>I have in fact some information that
>suggest it might have been me that caused Champerty to leave.
We would be glad to put that to your credit: Champerty is good riddance
Unfortunately, it is hard to believe that any of your actions might be of
any importance to anybody, even to a Champerty
>A simple off-group misunderstanding between the two of us.
May the misunderstanding between the two parts of your brain lead to same
decision about yourselves
>> When did that start, champerty brat?
>> When little girl in sandbox said:
>> "He is too ugly, I won't let him my pail"
>> How many people did you hate since she preferred that carrot-haired
>> freckle-faced toddler?
>
>Champerty is not a pedophile I think. His interests lay elsewhere.