On second viewing of LOTR:FOTR
Ross Smith
attention to details this time -- partly because I'd seen it once
already, but also because of the threads here that had pointed out some
of the interesting ones.
Two things I hadn't noticed the first time that RASFF primed me for:
Arwen's taking advantage of the trees to avoid the Nazgul, whose horses
are faster than hers in a straight line but not as agile; and the very
different fighting styles of Aragorn and Boromir, with Boromir's
emphasising his strength.
I agree with the two most common criticisms: the wizard duel looked
silly, and Lothlorien was too compressed.
The only bit of casting I didn't like was Hugo Weaving as Elrond. To me
he seemed stiff and wooden, and detracted from the scenes he was in.
Much more so in the Rivendell scenes than in the flashbacks to the Last
Alliance; he made a good warrior but a lousy patriarch.
A detail I liked, which I'm pretty sure wasn't in the book: When Bilbo
is giving his speech, and says "I've put this off for far too long", it
sounds superficially as though he's referring to his departure. But he's
reaching for the Ring as he says it...
And one more small detail, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere, and
I only noticed on second viewing: When Galadriel says "I pass the test",
I'll swear there was a note of surprise in her voice.
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Alison Scott
>I agree with the two most common criticisms: the wizard duel looked
>silly, and Lothlorien was too compressed.
All on the cutting room floor. The 'making of' book that Sue bought
(to help us with the fanzine) made it pretty clear that Celeborn was
cast as a major character, and he has one line in the finished movie.
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Kevin J. Maroney
wrote:
[very minor spoiler for the movie and novel]
>And one more small detail, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere, and
>I only noticed on second viewing: When Galadriel says "I pass the test",
>I'll swear there was a note of surprise in her voice.
I agree. In fact, I think it's very clear.
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Andrew Plotkin
>>I agree with the two most common criticisms: the wizard duel looked
>>silly, and Lothlorien was too compressed.
> All on the cutting room floor. The 'making of' book that Sue bought
> (to help us with the fanzine) made it pretty clear that Celeborn was
> cast as a major character, and he has one line in the finished movie.
But he delivered it *so* well!
(Seriously. It stuck in my head, the sound of it -- just like
Galadriel, he was something out of a time of legend, walking and
speaking on the Earth. I look forward to more of him on DVD.)
--Z
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Kate Nepveu
> Alison Scott <ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
> > All on the cutting room floor. The 'making of' book that Sue bought
> > (to help us with the fanzine) made it pretty clear that Celeborn was
> > cast as a major character, and he has one line in the finished movie.
What's the title, and is it good?
> But he delivered it *so* well!
> (Seriously. It stuck in my head, the sound of it -- just like
> Galadriel, he was something out of a time of legend, walking and
> speaking on the Earth. I look forward to more of him on DVD.)
I thought he was sort of a twit, but then I've always thought he was sort
of a twit, I'm afraid.
Kate
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O Deus
> The only bit of casting I didn't like was Hugo Weaving as Elrond. To me
> he seemed stiff and wooden, and detracted from the scenes he was in.
> Much more so in the Rivendell scenes than in the flashbacks to the Last
> Alliance; he made a good warrior but a lousy patriarch.
Well the charachter's role was cut away to make way for Xenarwen
warrior princess intended to rule in the YAM demographic. So he
essentially never really mattered except as a device to set up some of
the backstory.
Mary Kay Kare
> I just saw it for the second time last night, and was able to pay more
> attention to details this time -- partly because I'd seen it once
> already, but also because of the threads here that had pointed out some
> of the interesting ones.
Just got back from seeing it for the 2nd time and had much the same
experience.
>
> Two things I hadn't noticed the first time that RASFF primed me for:
> Arwen's taking advantage of the trees to avoid the Nazgul, whose horses
> are faster than hers in a straight line but not as agile; and the very
> different fighting styles of Aragorn and Boromir, with Boromir's
> emphasising his strength.
Got the former but not the latter. I had real trouble trying to pick
things out in the fight scenes. They tend to be a whirl of
undifferentiated activity for me. I was specifically looking for the
knee kicking mentioned here and for Gimli's axe work. Only caught one
knee kick--in Strider's fight with the head Uruk Hai at the very end.
Never did manage a clear look at the axe stuff. Wasn't quite as happy
with Gimli this time. While he looks right, it seems to me he moves as
if in pain.
What I noticed about my noticing, so to speak, is that I don't tend to
see things. I have a hard time tearing my eyes away from faces. Even
when I'm aware of it and trying to.
>
> I agree with the two most common criticisms: the wizard duel looked
> silly, and Lothlorien was too compressed.
>
> The only bit of casting I didn't like was Hugo Weaving as Elrond. To me
> he seemed stiff and wooden, and detracted from the scenes he was in.
> Much more so in the Rivendell scenes than in the flashbacks to the Last
> Alliance; he made a good warrior but a lousy patriarch.
Oh. I rather liked him, but I still think he'd have made a better
Strider and Viggo Mortenson a better Elrond.
>
> And one more small detail, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere, and
> I only noticed on second viewing: When Galadriel says "I pass the test",
> I'll swear there was a note of surprise in her voice.
There certainly was. It was quite noticeable. Something else I noticed
that I hadn't before was the athleticism Mortenson brings to the role of
Strider. After the rather lengthy and active fight in the room of
Balin's tomb, he literally bounces up the stairs two at a time.
Watching how he moved his body made me think about the character's body.
Strider is way older than he looks (100?--can't remember) and has been
living rough and fighting people and things most of that time. He ought
to be hard and stringy.
The oops I noticed that I hadn't before--and no one else seems to
have--happens right at the end, as Frodo is standing on the bank gazing
at the river and the boat. In closeup, he has a long tear trail on one
cheek and a short one on the other. His face dissolves to Gandalf and
when we come back to Frodo, the tear traoils on the opposite cheeks to
what they had been. (I was trying to figure out if they were real
tears or glycerin.)
MKK
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Kip Williams
> What I noticed about my noticing, so to speak, is that I don't tend to
> see things. I have a hard time tearing my eyes away from faces.
Oedidipally enough, I saw that last phrase as "tearing my eyes away
from my face." I wondered it you were trying to spite your nose.
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Trinker
Mary Kay Kare wrote:
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> > Arwen's taking advantage of the trees to avoid the Nazgul, whose horses
> > are faster than hers in a straight line but not as agile; and the very
> > different fighting styles of Aragorn and Boromir, with Boromir's
> > emphasising his strength.
>
> Got the former but not the latter. I had real trouble trying to pick
> things out in the fight scenes. They tend to be a whirl of
> undifferentiated activity for me. I was specifically looking for the
> knee kicking mentioned here and for Gimli's axe work. Only caught one
> knee kick--in Strider's fight with the head Uruk Hai at the very end.
At Amon Hen, there's also a kick at the top of the stairs.
> What I noticed about my noticing, so to speak, is that I don't tend to
> see things. I have a hard time tearing my eyes away from faces. Even
> when I'm aware of it and trying to.
<nod> Me as well, and after more than two viewings, too!
> > The only bit of casting I didn't like was Hugo Weaving as Elrond. To me
> > he seemed stiff and wooden, and detracted from the scenes he was in.
> > Much more so in the Rivendell scenes than in the flashbacks to the Last
> > Alliance; he made a good warrior but a lousy patriarch.
>
> Oh. I rather liked him, but I still think he'd have made a better
> Strider and Viggo Mortenson a better Elrond.
How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
> The oops I noticed that I hadn't before--and no one else seems to
> have--happens right at the end, as Frodo is standing on the bank gazing
> at the river and the boat. In closeup, he has a long tear trail on one
> cheek and a short one on the other. His face dissolves to Gandalf and
> when we come back to Frodo, the tear traoils on the opposite cheeks to
> what they had been. (I was trying to figure out if they were real
> tears or glycerin.)
That's a known and noted oops. The other is that Boromir blinks
as Aragorn leans in to kiss his dead forehead.
--Trinker
Janice Gelb
>
> The oops I noticed that I hadn't before--and no one else seems to
> have--happens right at the end, as Frodo is standing on the bank gazing
> at the river and the boat. In closeup, he has a long tear trail on one
> cheek and a short one on the other. His face dissolves to Gandalf and
> when we come back to Frodo, the tear traoils on the opposite cheeks to
> what they had been. (I was trying to figure out if they were real
> tears or glycerin.)
>
This oops was noted on the oops page whose URL I provided
previously.
As for real tears vs. glycerin, it's easy to tell: real
tears usually blotch around your eyes and leak out the sides.
Glycerin tearing doesn't gather around the eyes, but goes
down in a relatively straight line. (Tip from years ago from
My Brother The Occasional Movie Extra.)
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brigidnelson
> How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
>
Really yummy......I'll bring the wine. But seriously it would have made
Boromir look less pretty by comparison. I was bothered to distraction
by his prettiness because in my mind's eye Boromir was much more rugged
- do not read handsome - and for some reason I expected to see a beard.
Upon further reflextion I didn't like Boromir at all. Let's just take
that guy out, give the role to Viggo, and add DD-L as Aragorn, then we
can take all the sword of Isildur bits and re-insert them. While we're
at it...
brigid
Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)
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> > knee kicking mentioned here and for Gimli's axe work. Only caught one
> > knee kick--in Strider's fight with the head Uruk Hai at the very end.
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> At Amon Hen, there's also a kick at the top of the stairs.
And, I think, when the young hobbits take out Boromir in the
sword-training scenelet.
- Darkhawk, easily amused
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Heather Anne Nicoll - Darkhawk - http://aelfhame.net/~darkhawk/
Just a world that we all must share, it's not enough just to stand and
stare: Is it only a dream that there'll be no more turning away?
--Pink Floyd, "On the Turning Away"
Chris Clayton
Graydon Saunders wrote:
> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> scripsit:
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> > And one more small detail, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere,
> > and I only noticed on second viewing: When Galadriel says "I pass the
> > test", I'll swear there was a note of surprise in her voice.
>
> It was _not_ a sure thing.
>
> Galadriel was, still, at the time of War of the Ring, technically in a
> state of rebellion against the Valar, and had _turned down_ the Amnesty
> for the Noldor at the end of the War of Wrath, from motivations which
> sum up to 'pride'.
That being the case, I've always found it interesting that she assumed
that she'd be *allowed* to depart into the West. Either she hoped that
her long struggle against Sauron would mitigate her refusal, and let
her back into the Amnesty, or the Valar had ways of letting her know
right away that she'd made the right choice.
--
Chris Clayton
cla...@di.org
Chris Clayton
Kate Nepveu wrote:
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> Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> > Alison Scott wrote:
>
> > > All on the cutting room floor. The 'making of' book that Sue bought
> > > (to help us with the fanzine) made it pretty clear that Celeborn was
> > > cast as a major character, and he has one line in the finished movie.
>
> > (Seriously. It stuck in my head, the sound of it -- just like
> > Galadriel, he was something out of a time of legend, walking and
> > speaking on the Earth. I look forward to more of him on DVD.)
>
> I thought he was sort of a twit, but then I've always thought he was sort
> of a twit, I'm afraid.
Yes. He tended to thoughtlessly say things that someone of his
experience should not say. Did he have major accomplishments
of his own (don't have the book handy), or should we assume
that Galadriel just thought he was eye candy?
--
Chris Clayton
cla...@di.org
Chris Clayton
Mary Kay Kare wrote:
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> Wasn't quite as happy with Gimli this time.
> While he looks right, it seems to me he moves as
> if in pain.
My only problem with Gimli is the fact that Rhys-Davies
has a very distinctive voice. I kept expecting him
to say something like "Look, Indy! The Walls of Moria!"
--
Chris Clayton
cla...@di.org
Trinker
Graydon Saunders wrote:
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> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 05:51:33 -0800,
> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> scripsit:
> > Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> >> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
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> >> > Two things I hadn't noticed the first time that RASFF primed me for:
> >> > Arwen's taking advantage of the trees to avoid the Nazgul, whose horses
> >> > are faster than hers in a straight line but not as agile; and the very
> >> > different fighting styles of Aragorn and Boromir, with Boromir's
> >> > emphasising his strength.
> >>
> >> Got the former but not the latter. I had real trouble trying to pick
> >> things out in the fight scenes. They tend to be a whirl of
> >> undifferentiated activity for me. I was specifically looking for the
> >> knee kicking mentioned here and for Gimli's axe work. Only caught one
> >> knee kick--in Strider's fight with the head Uruk Hai at the very end.
> >
> > At Amon Hen, there's also a kick at the top of the stairs.
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> And a couple when Aragorn is fighting Lurtz.
>
> Also at Amon Hen, Boromir hits the first orc chasing Merry and Pippin
> across the _knees_ with his first sword stroke, which is a very sensible
> tactic one doesn't seem much of on film.
Oooh! I'll be on the lookout for that.
--Trinker
Diane Duane
>My only problem with Gimli is the fact that Rhys-Davies
>has a very distinctive voice. I kept expecting him
>to say something like "Look, Indy! The Walls of Moria!"
Peter adds a possible line in the same voice: "Oh, Frodo, I'm so glad you're
not dead!"
Best -- D.
The Owl Springs Partnership / County Wicklow, Ireland
http://www.owlsprings.com
Mary Kay Kare
> Mary Kay Kare wrote:
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> How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
Oh, ick, ack, yuck. But I'm really not a Daniel Day-Lewis fan.
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> > The oops I noticed that I hadn't before--and no one else seems to
> > have--happens right at the end, as Frodo is standing on the bank gazing
> > at the river and the boat. In closeup, he has a long tear trail on one
> > cheek and a short one on the other. His face dissolves to Gandalf and
> > when we come back to Frodo, the tear traoils on the opposite cheeks to
> > what they had been. (I was trying to figure out if they were real
> > tears or glycerin.)
>
> That's a known and noted oops.
Ah. No one mentioned it here, and I don't habitually visit movie
oriented sites, so...
>The other is that Boromir blinks
> as Aragorn leans in to kiss his dead forehead.
Heh. Missed it. Now I have something to look for in the 3rd viewing.
Trinker
As a still photo, I can see it working, but...I *really* like Viggo
Mortenson's portrayal.
> > > The oops I noticed that I hadn't before--and no one else seems to
> > > have--happens right at the end, as Frodo is standing on the bank gazing
> > > at the river and the boat. In closeup, he has a long tear trail on one
> > > cheek and a short one on the other. His face dissolves to Gandalf and
> > > when we come back to Frodo, the tear traoils on the opposite cheeks to
> > > what they had been. (I was trying to figure out if they were real
> > > tears or glycerin.)
> >
> > That's a known and noted oops.
>
> Ah. No one mentioned it here, and I don't habitually visit movie
> oriented sites, so...
<nod> I've been indulging myself in some LOTR infogathering, and
so have seen it at alt.fan.tolkien as well as at a Web site (or two).
> >The other is that Boromir blinks
> > as Aragorn leans in to kiss his dead forehead.
>
> Heh. Missed it. Now I have something to look for in the 3rd viewing.
It's subtle -- to me, it seems clear that Sean Bean was trying very
hard not to. But it distracted me during my first viewing.
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the point where I was way back in the beginning, when it took the
opthalmologist and his assistant working in conjunction to get my
first pair in.)
--Trinker
Alison Hopkins
Diane Duane wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:30:39 -0500, Chris Clayton <ccla...@ford.com>
wrote:
>
>>My only problem with Gimli is the fact that Rhys-Davies
>>has a very distinctive voice. I kept expecting him
>>to say something like "Look, Indy! The Walls of Moria!"
>
>Peter adds a possible line in the same voice: "Oh, Frodo, I'm so glad
you're
>not dead!"
>
And remembers the bar at the Raddy, yes? :)
Ali
Diane Duane
wrote:
>>Peter adds a possible line in the same voice: "Oh, Frodo, I'm so glad
>you're
>>not dead!"
>>
>
>And remembers the bar at the Raddy, yes? :)
Of course. :) I was thinking more of the Indian restaurant, though, and him
and Peter reciting the "St. Crispin's Day" passage together. At roughly the
same volume. ;)))
Best! D.
Alison Hopkins
Diane Duane wrote in message <1mp04u0kqaqf26tj3...@4ax.com>...
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:28:36 -0000, "Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>Peter adds a possible line in the same voice: "Oh, Frodo, I'm so glad
>>you're
>>>not dead!"
>>>
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>>And remembers the bar at the Raddy, yes? :)
>
>Of course. :) I was thinking more of the Indian restaurant, though, and
him
>and Peter reciting the "St. Crispin's Day" passage together. At roughly
the
>same volume. ;)))
>
Oh, Lord, and the waiters *and* the diners thinking that John was Pavarotti!
:) That evening was an utter joy.
Ali
Diane Duane
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>Oh, Lord, and the waiters *and* the diners thinking that John was Pavarotti!
>:)
(snrt) I forgot about that. Yeah. :)
David G. Bell
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fn...@dial.pipex.com "Alison Hopkins" wrote:
[*]
Or was it that you need a password to get in?
(I thought they got the Gates of Moria a bit wrong. They looked too
small from outside, and seemed bigger from inside.)
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
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"Marry, instead."
Kathy Routliffe
I actually thought Weaving made a *great* Elrond (he'd actually make a
great fan with his speaking patterns, too.)
As to Arwen, I thought I'd hate Tyler's performance and presentation. To
my pleasant surprise she performed quite well. Elvish sounded perfectly
normal in her mouth.
--
Kathy R.
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galaxies, you will not find another.
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Kathy Routliffe
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> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > I just saw it for the second time last night, and was able to pay more
> > attention to details this time -- partly because I'd seen it once
> > already, but also because of the threads here that had pointed out some
> > of the interesting ones.
>
> Just got back from seeing it for the 2nd time and had much the same
> experience.
I need to get to my second viewing. I truly enjoyed the first viewing.
(snip)
>
> What I noticed about my noticing, so to speak, is that I don't tend to
> see things. I have a hard time tearing my eyes away from faces. Even
> when I'm aware of it and trying to.
> >
> > I agree with the two most common criticisms: the wizard duel looked
> > silly, and Lothlorien was too compressed.
At first I saw the duel as silly looking. Then I decided that, since I
haven't seen a wizards' duel lately, I'd have to take it on faith. The
way Lothlorien looked seemed both exactly right and exactly wrong. The
trees and the elves themselves (with the exception of Haldir, who looked
simpy compared to the other elves) were great. But the shadowy darkness
didn't seem right at all to me. I'd always thought of Lothlorien as
golden and bright - even at night.
> >
> > The only bit of casting I didn't like was Hugo Weaving as Elrond. To me
> > he seemed stiff and wooden, and detracted from the scenes he was in.
> > Much more so in the Rivendell scenes than in the flashbacks to the Last
> > Alliance; he made a good warrior but a lousy patriarch.
>
> Oh. I rather liked him, but I still think he'd have made a better
> Strider and Viggo Mortenson a better Elrond.
Because I'm a fan of Sean Bean, I'd have liked him as Strider, and
Mortenson as Boromir.
> >
> > And one more small detail, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere, and
> > I only noticed on second viewing: When Galadriel says "I pass the test",
> > I'll swear there was a note of surprise in her voice.
I had always read the test as a no-brainer from the git-go. I was
surprised at the surprise, then thought it was a great touch. No wise
and powerful person in Middle Earth could reasonably know ahead of time
whether they could resist the Ring.
Kathy Routliffe
> How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
It wouldn't be bad at all. Still, I came to like the Strider we got.
(snip again)
> That's a known and noted oops. The other is that Boromir blinks
> as Aragorn leans in to kiss his dead
I didn't regard that as an oops. I thought he had closed his eyes to
die, but had a moment of remaining consciousness still left when Aragorn
kissed him.
Kathy Routliffe
No, no, *no*, I must have my Sean Bean!
Alison Hopkins
"David G. Bell" wrote in message
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> <3c3f32ce$0$8512$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>
> fn...@dial.pipex.com "Alison Hopkins" wrote:
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>> Diane Duane wrote in message ...
>> >On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:30:39 -0500, Chris Clayton <ccla...@ford.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>My only problem with Gimli is the fact that Rhys-Davies
>> >>has a very distinctive voice. I kept expecting him
>> >>to say something like "Look, Indy! The Walls of Moria!"
>> >
>> >Peter adds a possible line in the same voice: "Oh, Frodo, I'm so glad
>> you're
>> >not dead!"
>> >
>>
>>
>> And remembers the bar at the Raddy, yes? :)
>
>[*]
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>
>Or was it that you need a password to get in?
>
Nah, I refer to the con I ran a couple of years back, at which Peter, Diane
and JRD were honoured and delightful guests, and a blast was had by all.
JRD, bless him, kept buying assorted congoers drinks in the Radisson bar,
which was very noble of him, considering how expensive it is. He inisisted
on the Sunday morning that he had been kidnapped by aliens who had forced
him to drink brandy till four a.m. <snicker>
Ali
Lucy Kemnitzer
<kat...@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>brigidnelson wrote:
>>
>> Trinker wrote:
>> > How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
>> >
>>
>> Really yummy......I'll bring the wine. But seriously it would have made
>> Boromir look less pretty by comparison. I was bothered to distraction
>> by his prettiness because in my mind's eye Boromir was much more rugged
>> - do not read handsome - and for some reason I expected to see a beard.
>> Upon further reflextion I didn't like Boromir at all. Let's just take
>> that guy out, give the role to Viggo, and add DD-L as Aragorn, then we
>> can take all the sword of Isildur bits and re-insert them. While we're
>> at it...
>
>No, no, *no*, I must have my Sean Bean!
>
I can't imagine why anybody would even begin to wonder who could have
done Aragorn better: of all the characters in that movie, that was the
one perfect match to my imagination -- Gandalf was second up.
I was immensely privileged to watch the movie next to my father: he
was obviously having a wonderful time relating to Gandalf as a role
model (he looks a lot like that, except instead of wizard robes and
pointy hat he wears political t shirts and a Greek fisherman's cap and
he has earrings and multiple, small, tattoos)
But that was _my_ Strider up there.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Diane
wrote:
>
>I can't imagine why anybody would even begin to wonder who could have
>done Aragorn better: of all the characters in that movie, that was the
>one perfect match to my imagination -- Gandalf was second up.
>
For me Gandalf was first. In fact I'm convinced that it was Ian
McKellen in my head the first time I read the book. I just didn't
recognize him. The others matched fairly close to my imagined
characters, but didn't quite track, with the exception of Sean Bean,
who looked nothing like I'd imagined Boromir to look. His, IMO,
exceptional performance however erased any doubts I had.
>
>But that was _my_ Strider up there.
>
I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
Diane
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dla...@no.spam.here.uwo.ca "Diane" wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I can't imagine why anybody would even begin to wonder who could have
> >done Aragorn better: of all the characters in that movie, that was the
> >one perfect match to my imagination -- Gandalf was second up.
> >
>
> For me Gandalf was first. In fact I'm convinced that it was Ian
> McKellen in my head the first time I read the book. I just didn't
> recognize him. The others matched fairly close to my imagined
> characters, but didn't quite track, with the exception of Sean Bean,
> who looked nothing like I'd imagined Boromir to look. His, IMO,
> exceptional performance however erased any doubts I had.
If I had to give an idea of how I thought Boromir looked, I would have
pointed at Russell Crowe in "Gladiator". Not the costuming, but the
physicality. Sean Bean seems a little too lean and wirey.
Trinker
Diane wrote:
>
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> wrote:
> >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> >
>
> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
mind...
--Trinker
Alison Hopkins
Trinker wrote in message <3C41C978...@yahoo.com>...
just does not ring my bell. :)
Ali
Joel Rosenberg
I was thinking that a more creative choice would have been somebody
like Dennis Franz, but . . .
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Well, you know, he could look awfully old and that line would still be
accurate. And there is the other piece of textual evidence: that in
Lothlorien (remembering Arwen, of course), Strider suddenly looks
younger and more carefree, and the years of hard travel were
momentarily wiped away.
I don't know that I ever had a very clear idea of how old Strider
looked; the first time I read the books, 30 would have sounded old! I
suppose now I'd imagine that most of the time he looks middle aged and
beat up.
Margaret Young
On the other hand, I always struggled with Boromir in the book - and
Sean Bean looked exactly as I imagined Boromir AND was able to really
nail the character in a way that made me like him.
Margaret
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Alison Scott
>T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
>just does not ring my bell. :)
Hmm. I've always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen will do just
fine, thanks. Really extraordinarily scrummy. Except that I'm
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Margaret Young
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I really like him scruffy. Certain men should be scruffy. I like men
with beards. My SO has a beard. I want to keep the beard.
(breath---frequently)
Mike Scott
<ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
Isildur was bearded in the prologue, so shaving is evidently not a
requirement for the kingship of Gondor.
(Yes, I finally saw the movie this afternoon.)
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Lucy Kemnitzer
<fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
I am sorry for you. I had a thing for Strider too, and my Strider was
exactly that Strider: so I guess I was lucky.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Kate Nepveu
I don't have a thing for the book Aragorn, so the movie Aragorn was
a nice surprise.
Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
is going to be very interesting.
Kate
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Diane
wrote:
>
>
>Diane wrote:
>>
>> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>
>
>I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
>Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
>mind...
>
No not really. Actually older might be the wrong phrase for what I
mean. More like a little more worn and world weary. That doesn't
necessarily mean older but it often tracks.
But let me reiterate, I did like Mortensen's portrayal.
David Goldfarb
Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
>is going to be very interesting.
Tolkien says that Faramir and Boromir had a close resemblance, so a
very interesting thing to do would be to have Sean Bean again. But
according to a website, they've cast someone named David Wenham.
You can see a headshot of him at
<http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
Right next to him is Brian Sergent as Ted Sandyman, which suggests that
the Scouring of the Shire is not going to be entirely cut.
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Lucy Kemnitzer
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:43 -0000, "Alison Hopkins"
><fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Trinker wrote in message <3C41C978...@yahoo.com>...
>>>
>>>
>>>Diane wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>>>
>>>
>>>I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
>>>Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
>>>mind...
>>>
>>>
>>T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
>>just does not ring my bell. :)
>>
>>Ali
>>
> On the other hand, I always struggled with Boromir in the book - and
>Sean Bean looked exactly as I imagined Boromir AND was able to really
>nail the character in a way that made me like him.
>
The way they did Boromir resolved some irritations I had had about
him, too.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Kate Nepveu
> In article <a1srve$4ea$1...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
> Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>>Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
>>is going to be very interesting.
> Tolkien says that Faramir and Boromir had a close resemblance, so a
> very interesting thing to do would be to have Sean Bean again. But
> according to a website, they've cast someone named David Wenham.
> You can see a headshot of him at
> <http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
Yup; so glad the rumored Ethan Hawke/Uma Thurman thing did not
come off.
> Right next to him is Brian Sergent as Ted Sandyman, which suggests that
> the Scouring of the Shire is not going to be entirely cut.
I didn't expect it would be; I know the Mirror sequence was supposed to
be what-may-be, but it seemed to me to be going in that direction all
the same.
Alison Hopkins
Margaret Young wrote in message ...
>On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:43 -0000, "Alison Hopkins"
><fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Trinker wrote in message <3C41C978...@yahoo.com>...
>>>
>>>
>>>Diane wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>>>
>>>
>>>I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
>>>Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
>>>mind...
>>>
>>>
>>T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
>>just does not ring my bell. :)
>>
>>Ali
>>
> On the other hand, I always struggled with Boromir in the book - and
>Sean Bean looked exactly as I imagined Boromir AND was able to really
>nail the character in a way that made me like him.
>
You and me both, and that's despite the fact that I dislike Sean Bean.
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Lucy Kemnitzer wrote in message <3c41eaa1...@cnews.newsguy.com>...
I'm not entirely sure which actor *is* my Strider, but nonetheless I did
like the film one, despite the fact that he wasn't mine! I am looking
forward to the next films to see that happens to him.
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Margaret Young wrote in message
Mine doesn't, bless him, but I am rather partial to shaggy unkempt chaps. :)
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Diane wrote in message ...
>On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:52:56 -0800, Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Diane wrote:
>>>
>>> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>>
>>
>>I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
>>Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
>>mind...
>>
>
>No not really. Actually older might be the wrong phrase for what I
>mean. More like a little more worn and world weary. That doesn't
>necessarily mean older but it often tracks.
>But let me reiterate, I did like Mortensen's portrayal.
>
Oh, so did I, I just didn't lust after him. <g> I need to ponder on the
matter of who is a suitable actor to fit my Aragorn. Neeson might suit.
Ali
David Goldfarb
Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>David Goldfarb <gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> Right next to him is Brian Sergent as Ted Sandyman, which suggests that
>> the Scouring of the Shire is not going to be entirely cut.
>
>I didn't expect it would be; I know the Mirror sequence was supposed to
>be what-may-be, but it seemed to me to be going in that direction all
>the same.
I've seen at least one person here assert that they weren't going
to do the Scouring at all, which would be a pity if so.
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Kate Nepveu
> In article <a1t09a$7ts$1...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
> Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>>David Goldfarb <gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>> Right next to him is Brian Sergent as Ted Sandyman, which suggests that
>>> the Scouring of the Shire is not going to be entirely cut.
>>I didn't expect it would be; I know the Mirror sequence was supposed to
>>be what-may-be, but it seemed to me to be going in that direction all
>>the same.
> I've seen at least one person here assert that they weren't going
> to do the Scouring at all, which would be a pity if so.
Indeed. It would make it harder to explain Frodo going into the West.
And it would be good to really see Merry & Pippin all grown up.
Ian McDowell
db...@zhochaka.org.uk wrote:
>If I had to give an idea of how I thought Boromir looked, I would have
>pointed at Russell Crowe in "Gladiator". Not the costuming, but the
>physicality. Sean Bean seems a little too lean and wirey.
Interesting. Bean struck me as bigger an blockier than Crowe. Of course,
one's impression of such things can be so utterly subjective. Today I saw
(and loved) THE ROYAL TENNENBAUMS. While I'm familiar with both Owen and
Luke Wilson, it took me a while to be sure which was which (yes, I know
they're credited at the beginning), as I think of Luke as being tall and
studly and Owen as being wiry and goofy. With his scruffy beard, Luke
Wilson looked _smaller_ somehow, and while I figured out it was him long
before he shaved, when he finally did he appeared to grow a good two
inches and put on fifteen pounds, all because he exposed that manly-man
jawline.
Ian McDowell
ali...@kittywompus.com wrote:
Hmm, maybe, but one interesting thing about the scruffy beard is that
somehow made him look seedy (in a charismatic way, but slightly sinister)
yet also Christ-like, like a Sergio Leone Jesus.
Margaret Young
wrote:
Just wanted to enjoy that last line publicly.
Trinker
Alison Hopkins wrote:
> T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
> just does not ring my bell. :)
Well. There's no arguing with that sort of assertion!
--Trinker
Joel Rosenberg
Sure there is: "she's lying. She really does have the hots for
Mortensen, and won't admit it."
Or is that abuse?
Trinker
Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>
> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Alison Hopkins wrote:
> >
> > > T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
> > > just does not ring my bell. :)
> >
> > Well. There's no arguing with that sort of assertion!
>
> Sure there is: "she's lying. She really does have the hots for
> Mortensen, and won't admit it."
>
> Or is that abuse?
I think it's contradiction. ;)
--Trinker
Margaret Young
wrote:
>Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Alison Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> > T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
>> > just does not ring my bell. :)
>>
>>
>> Well. There's no arguing with that sort of assertion!
>>
>>
>> --Trinker
>
>Sure there is: "she's lying. She really does have the hots for
>Mortensen, and won't admit it."
>
>Or is that abuse?
Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
As to admitting it, well that is a different matter.
Alison Hopkins
Joel Rosenberg wrote in message ...
>Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Alison Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> > T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and
Mortensen
>> > just does not ring my bell. :)
>>
>>
>> Well. There's no arguing with that sort of assertion!
>>
>>
>> --Trinker
>
>Sure there is: "she's lying. She really does have the hots for
>Mortensen, and won't admit it."
>
>Or is that abuse?
Ok, you are *both* Bad People. <snicker>
Ali
Priscilla Ballou
gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote:
> <http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
Oh, goodie! Brother Edward is playing Wormtongue!
Priscilla
--
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antimatter, but I'm fairly sure it's not good."
-- Graydon Saunders in rasff
David Goldfarb
Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <a1t05h$1ekl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>
>> <http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
>
>Oh, goodie! Brother Edward is playing Wormtongue!
Unfortunately perhaps for me, my strongest association by far is Saavedro,
the antagonist in "Myst III: Exile". If that doesn't make me a geek I
don't know what does.
--
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| -- Douglas Adams
Margaret Young
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <a1t05h$1ekl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>
>> <http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
>
>Oh, goodie! Brother Edward is playing Wormtongue!
>
>Priscilla
Something inevitable about that isn't there?
Sheila Strickland
Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote in article
<3e444u8qdq4r4n3r1...@4ax.com>...
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:00:43 GMT, Joel Rosenberg <jo...@ellegon.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> >> Alison Hopkins wrote:
> >>
> >> > T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and
Mortensen
> >> > just does not ring my bell. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Well. There's no arguing with that sort of assertion!
> >>
> >>
> >> --Trinker
> >
> >Sure there is: "she's lying. She really does have the hots for
> >Mortensen, and won't admit it."
> >
> >Or is that abuse?
>
> Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
> great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
> often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
> look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
> one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
Or more than one. I'm leaning toward Aragorn, but Legolas is
a close second. And a nice age range, too. I'm sure there are
some women lusting for Frodo/Elijah Wood, but if he's too young
for your tastes, there are some slighter older, then some a lot
older (3000-year-old elf anyone?) and just about all of them very
good looking men.
--
Sheila
Kevin J. Maroney
wrote:
>For me Gandalf was first. In fact I'm convinced that it was Ian
>McKellen in my head the first time I read the book. I just didn't
>recognize him.
As I was re-reading _Fellowship_ last month (before seeing the film,
but after seeing some stills), I still had trouble picturing Gandalf
as McKellen. I thought about this for a while and concluded that my
mental image of Gandalf is almost indistinguishable from Getafix (aka
Panoramix) the Druid. When I realized that, I decided that almost any
half-decent movie of _Lord of the Rings_ was going to be more
satisfying than the visuals in my head.
--
Kevin J. Maroney | k...@panix.com
Games are my entire waking life.
Kevin J. Maroney
>Yup; so glad the rumored Ethan Hawke/Uma Thurman thing did not
>come off.
Which rumor was that?
Incidentally, Bernadette and I both spontaneously decided that Uma
Thurman would have been a much better Galadriel than Cate Blanchette.
And she doesn't even need makeup to look elfin.
Kip Williams
>
> On 13 Jan 2002 22:39:09 GMT, ian...@mindspring.com (Ian McDowell)
> wrote:
> >Hmm, maybe, but one interesting thing about the scruffy beard is that
> >somehow made him look seedy (in a charismatic way, but slightly sinister)
> >yet also Christ-like, like a Sergio Leone Jesus.
>
> Just wanted to enjoy that last line publicly.
_A Fistful of Silver_?
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Trinker
Kip Williams wrote:
>
> Margaret Young wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2002 22:39:09 GMT, ian...@mindspring.com (Ian McDowell)
> > wrote:
> > >Hmm, maybe, but one interesting thing about the scruffy beard is that
> > >somehow made him look seedy (in a charismatic way, but slightly sinister)
> > >yet also Christ-like, like a Sergio Leone Jesus.
> >
> > Just wanted to enjoy that last line publicly.
>
> _A Fistful of Silver_?
...mithril?
--Trinker
Kate Nepveu
> On 13 Jan 2002 22:04:26 GMT, Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>>Yup; so glad the rumored Ethan Hawke/Uma Thurman thing did not
>>come off.
> Which rumor was that?
I believe that he would be Faramir & she would be Eowyn.
Ugggh.
> Incidentally, Bernadette and I both spontaneously decided that Uma
> Thurman would have been a much better Galadriel than Cate Blanchette.
> And she doesn't even need makeup to look elfin.
Cate Blanchett was a fine Galadriel IMO, the film just portrayed her
badly. And I really can't see Uma Thurman with the gravity necessary;
even worse that the _Matrix_ flashes with Elrond.
Kathy Routliffe
>
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:01:09 -0600, Kathy Routliffe
> <kat...@rcnchicago.com> wrote:
>
> >brigidnelson wrote:
> >>
> >> Trinker wrote:
> >> > How does the idea of Daniel Day-Lewis as Strider sound to you?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Really yummy......I'll bring the wine. But seriously it would have made
> >> Boromir look less pretty by comparison. I was bothered to distraction
> >> by his prettiness because in my mind's eye Boromir was much more rugged
> >> - do not read handsome - and for some reason I expected to see a beard.
> >> Upon further reflextion I didn't like Boromir at all. Let's just take
> >> that guy out, give the role to Viggo, and add DD-L as Aragorn, then we
> >> can take all the sword of Isildur bits and re-insert them. While we're
> >> at it...
> >
> >No, no, *no*, I must have my Sean Bean!
> >
>
> I can't imagine why anybody would even begin to wonder who could have
> done Aragorn better: of all the characters in that movie, that was the
> one perfect match to my imagination -- Gandalf was second up.
>
> I was immensely privileged to watch the movie next to my father: he
> was obviously having a wonderful time relating to Gandalf as a role
> model (he looks a lot like that, except instead of wizard robes and
> pointy hat he wears political t shirts and a Greek fisherman's cap and
> he has earrings and multiple, small, tattoos)
>
> But that was _my_ Strider up there.
I soon warmed to him, because he was a good actor. It's just that I have
a faunch for Sean Bean, going all the way back to his role in Sharpe's
Rifles.
--
Kathy R.
---------------------------
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galaxies, you will not find another.
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Kathy Routliffe
>
> On Sunday, in article
> <rp434uc06bqjos67k...@4ax.com>
> dla...@no.spam.here.uwo.ca "Diane" wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >done Aragorn better: of all the characters in that movie, that was the
> > >one perfect match to my imagination -- Gandalf was second up.
> > >
> >
> > McKellen in my head the first time I read the book. I just didn't
> > characters, but didn't quite track, with the exception of Sean Bean,
> > who looked nothing like I'd imagined Boromir to look. His, IMO,
> > exceptional performance however erased any doubts I had.
>
> If I had to give an idea of how I thought Boromir looked, I would have
> pointed at Russell Crowe in "Gladiator". Not the costuming, but the
> physicality. Sean Bean seems a little too lean and wirey.
It's funny that people have been describing him as lean and wiry. He
normally is, but he didn't seem so to me in LOTR. Bulkier than Aragorn,
certainly.
Trinker
Kathy Routliffe wrote:
>
> "David G. Bell" wrote:
> > Sean Bean seems a little too lean and wirey.
>
> It's funny that people have been describing him as lean and wiry. He
> normally is, but he didn't seem so to me in LOTR. Bulkier than Aragorn,
> certainly.
It's his face. People assume the body goes with the face.
--Trinker
Kathy Routliffe
>
> Lucy Kemnitzer <rit...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:43 -0000, "Alison Hopkins"
>
> >>T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
> >>just does not ring my bell. :)
>
> > exactly that Strider: so I guess I was lucky.
>
> a nice surprise.
>
> Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
> is going to be very interesting.
I was thinking of that this afternoon. Since he's supposed to resemble
Boromir a great deal, if they want to be reasonably faithful -- as I
think they've tried to be so far, with varying degrees of success --
they'll have to find someone who resembles Bean.
David Dyer-Bennet
> Diane wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> > wrote:
>
> > >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> > >
> >
> > I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>
>
> I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
> Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
> mind...
It's precisely based on that evidence that I think he looked older
than he was showed in the movie. He was actually about 90. I thought
he looked 40. He sure didn't look 40 in the movie.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, dd...@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries
Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Trinker
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Diane wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
> >
> >
> > I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
> > Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
> > mind...
>
> It's precisely based on that evidence that I think he looked older
> than he was showed in the movie. He was actually about 90. I thought
> he looked 40. He sure didn't look 40 in the movie.
What does 40 look like, given that Viggo Mortenson *is* 40?
(Now 43, if IMDB is right.)
--Trinker
admittedly touchy on this subject, being mistaken for a teenager
quite often, and expecting to be mistaken for a teenager well into
her late 30s.
The Blue Rose
(David Goldfarb) scribed in cyber virtuality
>In article <a1srve$4ea$1...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
>Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
>>Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
>>is going to be very interesting.
>
>Tolkien says that Faramir and Boromir had a close resemblance, so a
>very interesting thing to do would be to have Sean Bean again. But
>according to a website, they've cast someone named David Wenham.
>You can see a headshot of him at
><http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
>
*snip*
FWIW David Wenham is a HUNK!!! He starred in a wonderfully quirky
australian tv series called Seachange and I lusted after him something
chronic. He is a great actor, and apparently has been in something
quite dark and violent, so has a good range, but his comedic timing is
impeccable
URL for seachange
http://www.abc.net.au/seachange/homehtm.htm
He was Diver Dan in the first series, and left after that.
Stacey
--
Stacey Hill "on the other hand, you have different fingers"
http://www.geocities.com/terragenblue for TERRAGEN and XENODREAM images
David G. Bell
kate....@yale.edu "Kate Nepveu" wrote:
> Lucy Kemnitzer <rit...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:32:43 -0000, "Alison Hopkins"
> > <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >>T problem I have is that I always had a thing for Aragorn, and Mortensen
> >>just does not ring my bell. :)
>
> > I am sorry for you. I had a thing for Strider too, and my Strider was
> > exactly that Strider: so I guess I was lucky.
>
> I don't have a thing for the book Aragorn, so the movie Aragorn was
> a nice surprise.
>
> Now what they do with _Faramir_--who I have always had a thing for--
> is going to be very interesting.
There wasn't enough of Rosie Cotton.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
Mr. Punch's Advice to a Young Man About to Become a Farmer:
"Marry, instead."
Alison Scott
>Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
--
Alison Scott ali...@kittywompus.com & www.kittywompus.com
The Plokta News Network -- News and Views for SF Fans
www.plokta.com/pnn
Margaret Young
<ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
>Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>>Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>>great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>>often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>>look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>>one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>
>It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
Somewhere out there, right now, the slash fic is being written.
Trinker
Alison Scott wrote:
>
> Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> >Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
> >great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
> >often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
> >look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
> >one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>
> It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
To a determined mind, *everything* is extraordinarily slashy. ;)
--Trinker
who finds the thought of LOTR slash to be unsettling, though.
Kate Nepveu
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:43:29 +0000, Alison Scott
> <ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
>>It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
> Somewhere out there, right now, the slash fic is being written.
Slash meets--eek!--Bridget Jones' Diary (I think; I haven't read, it,
but I did live in a room over the summer which had the sequel, so I
flipping through it and recognize the writing style):
http://www.livejournal.com/users/cassieclaire/
Start with Dec. 30 (can you not bookmark LiveJournal entries? Bah.).
Trinker
Kate Nepveu wrote:
> (can you not bookmark LiveJournal entries? Bah.).
use the "link" feature on each entry.
--Trinker
Kate Nepveu
... if that user puts them in, which this one has apparently not.
But thanks.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <vze23t8n-C3E4DA...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>,
> Priscilla Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>In article <a1t05h$1ekl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>> gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>>
>>> <http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
>>
>>Oh, goodie! Brother Edward is playing Wormtongue!
> Unfortunately perhaps for me, my strongest association by far is Saavedro,
> the antagonist in "Myst III: Exile". If that doesn't make me a geek I
> don't know what does.
More of a geek than the people who recognize him from B5, Voyager, the
_Dune_ movie, and -- like me -- nowhere else?
(I played Myst 3, but I think I've blocked out Dourif's performance.
All I remember is mocking the dialogue mercilessly. (The script, not
what he did with it. Nothing he did with it could have improved it,
believe me.))
--Z
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
* Make your vote count. Get your vote counted.
David Dyer-Bennet
> On 13 Jan 2002 23:17:47 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
> scripsit:
> > Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> Diane wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy
> >> > Kemnitzer) wrote:
> >> > >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> >> >
> >> > I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
> >>
> >> I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
> >> Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
> >> mind...
> >
> > It's precisely based on that evidence that I think he looked older
> > than he was showed in the movie. He was actually about 90. I thought
> > he looked 40. He sure didn't look 40 in the movie.
>
> Mortensen _is_ 40. (well, 42. So is Bean.)
But actors tend to look much younger than their age at that age.
> Doesn't look to me like they did any youth makeup, and he does not have
> a young man's hands. Not sure what else they could have done.
He sure didn't look battered from long hard traveling, as the real
Strider was described.
Trinker
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> Graydon Saunders <gra...@dsl.ca> writes:
>
> > On 13 Jan 2002 23:17:47 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
> > scripsit:
> > > Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > >> Diane wrote:
> > >> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy
> > >> > Kemnitzer) wrote:
> > >> > >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> > >> >
> > >> > I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
> > >>
> > >> I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
> > >> Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
> > >> mind...
> > >
> > > It's precisely based on that evidence that I think he looked older
> > > than he was showed in the movie. He was actually about 90. I thought
> > > he looked 40. He sure didn't look 40 in the movie.
> >
> > Mortensen _is_ 40. (well, 42. So is Bean.)
>
> But actors tend to look much younger than their age at that age.
>
> > Doesn't look to me like they did any youth makeup, and he does not have
> > a young man's hands. Not sure what else they could have done.
>
> He sure didn't look battered from long hard traveling, as the real
> Strider was described.
Let's attack this from another angle. What actors *do* look 40,
or "battered from long hard travelling", to you?
--Trinker
Alison Hopkins
Margaret Young wrote in message ...
>On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:19:10 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
><vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <a1t05h$1ekl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>> gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>>
>>>
<http://lordoftheringsmovie.com/index.php3?article=casting/casting.shtml>
>>
>>Oh, goodie! Brother Edward is playing Wormtongue!
>>
>>Priscilla
>
>Something inevitable about that isn't there?
>
He will be fabulous. I'll lay money on it.
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Margaret Young wrote in message ...
><ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
>
>>Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>>>great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>>>often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>>>look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>>>one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>>
>>It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
>
>Somewhere out there, right now, the slash fic is being written.
>
There was a fair bit before the film.
Ali
Alison Hopkins
Alison Scott wrote in message ...
>Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>>Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>>great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>>often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>>look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>>one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>
>It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
>
Oh, ain't it just. I'm surprised that comment has only just been made. :)
Ali
Alison Scott
>Alison Scott wrote:
>>
>> Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>> >great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>> >often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>> >look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>> >one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>>
>> It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
>
>
>To a determined mind, *everything* is extraordinarily slashy. ;)
While this is true, few things are as slashy as the LOTR movie. "Many
positive depictions of male bonding", I think Steven said.
Julie Watkins
>
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy Kemnitzer)
> wrote:
>
> >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
> >
>
> I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
He's not (yet) my Strider, but he's very close to my Estle -- the
younger Aragorn in the process of winning Arwen's love. Which is
where movie-Aragorn is, seeing as Jackson is apparently folding in
the beginning part of "Tale of A&A" from the appendicies. So I'm
alright with him now. Trouble is, I'm not sure if he's going to work
in the next films where he needs to get "larger". Hopefully there
was holding back going on to let Boromir shine.
(I've been rereading bits & pieces out of order from the text and
<vague spoilers> just got Legolas' description of what happens in
the long rush to the ships and ... god, that's spooky nightmare
material. And Aragorn has certain things he has to do right on film
or it won't go. In the text we get it second hand, so Legolas can
show it through lots of emotional filters & I'm wondering what the
film equivalants will be.)
Anyway, in recent years "my" strider/Aragorn has been whoever the
actor was playing Duke Leto in the theatrical Dune film. Something
about how Leto was yelling about not leaving anyone behind (a worm
strike about to happen). Devinately an older looking face, but
regal. Mortensen may replace him. He's got high marks so far.
Julie Watkins
Urbana IL
Priscilla Ballou
: Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>Alison Scott wrote:
:>>
:>> Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
:>>
:>> >Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
:>> >great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
:>> >often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
:>> >look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
:>> >one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
:>>
:>> It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
:>
:>
:>To a determined mind, *everything* is extraordinarily slashy. ;)
: While this is true, few things are as slashy as the LOTR movie. "Many
: positive depictions of male bonding", I think Steven said.
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The kiss on the forehead! *wail*
Gentle warrior men! *noise of nose blowing*
OK, OK, I'll be fine if you give me a minute. *sniff*
Priscilla, who was glad she'd taken plenty of kleenex to the movie
--
"I'm Al Gore. I used to be the next president of the United States.
Hey, you win some, you lose some, then there's that little-known
third category." - Al Gore
Trinker
Alison Scott wrote:
>
> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Alison Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
> >> >great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
> >> >often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
> >> >look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
> >> >one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
> >>
> >> It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
> >
> >
> >To a determined mind, *everything* is extraordinarily slashy. ;)
>
> While this is true, few things are as slashy as the LOTR movie. "Many
> positive depictions of male bonding", I think Steven said.
<grin> I dunno about "slashy" on a quantitative scale, but
"opportunities for slashy pairings", well, I guess so. But
then, I have a problem seeing the slashiness in classic Trek,
and really have been spoiled by the nudge-nudge wink-wink in
the Highlander TV series.
--Trinker
Lydia Nickerson
>On 13 Jan 2002 23:17:47 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
>scripsit:
>> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> Diane wrote:
>>> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:34:07 GMT, rit...@cruzio.com (Lucy
>>> > Kemnitzer) wrote:
>>> > >But that was _my_ Strider up there.
>>> >
>>> > I liked Mortensen in the role but my Strider was a little older.
>>>
>>> I suppose no amount of textual evidence, like Strider telling the
>>> Hobbits "I am older than I look" will change the Strider in your
>>> mind...
>>
>> It's precisely based on that evidence that I think he looked older
>> than he was showed in the movie. He was actually about 90. I thought
>> he looked 40. He sure didn't look 40 in the movie.
>
>Mortensen _is_ 40. (well, 42. So is Bean.)
>
>Doesn't look to me like they did any youth makeup, and he does not have
>a young man's hands. Not sure what else they could have done.
Heh. Looked 40 to me, too, and exactly right. To quote Gloria Steinem,
"This is what 40 looks like. We've been lying so long, who'd know?"
The point at which Aragorn broke my heart, though, was when he faced the
orcs after Boromir had fallen, saluted them, and _smiled_. That smile was
everything that Aragorn is. Though in truth, if I have a crush on any of
the characters, it's Gandalf. Christ, what a beautiful man.
--
----
Lydia Nickerson ly...@demesne.com ly...@dd-b.net
Del Cotter
Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> said:
>David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> He sure didn't look battered from long hard traveling, as the real
>> Strider was described.
>
>Let's attack this from another angle. What actors *do* look 40,
>or "battered from long hard travelling", to you?
Harrison Ford.
Yes, I know he's considerably older than 40. This is a common feature
of Hollywood male actors, that they invariably play men three-quarters
their age.
(usually opposite actresses half their age)
--
. . . . Del Cotter d...@branta.demon.co.uk . . . .
Middle-Earth. Most of the people here live quiet lives, keeping to them-
selves. Elves write poetry, Dwarves dig mines, Hobbits eat six meals a
day. But every now and then somebody makes trouble. Somebody makes a magic
ring. That's when I go to work. I carry a staff. -- Jim Cambias on rasfw
Trinker
Del Cotter wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, in rec.arts.sf.fandom,
> Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> >David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> >> He sure didn't look battered from long hard traveling, as the real
> >> Strider was described.
> >
> >Let's attack this from another angle. What actors *do* look 40,
> >or "battered from long hard travelling", to you?
>
> Harrison Ford.
>
> Yes, I know he's considerably older than 40. This is a common feature
> of Hollywood male actors, that they invariably play men three-quarters
> their age.
I don't understand. Is that what 40 year olds look like in your
part of the world? Really? Like Harrison Ford looks, now?
<http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Publicity_Stills_III&image=pub14.jpg&img=&tt=>
<http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Publicity_Stills_III&image=pub10.jpg&img=&tt=>
Because Viggo Mortenson *is* what 40 year olds look like in my part
of the world. White male ones, even. Who go camping and ride
motorcycles and don't otherwise take care of their skin much.
And even smoke a little.
The other problem is that if your perception is that it takes
a sixty year old actor to portray Aragorn convincingly...it's
hard to get a human of that age to be as powerful physically
as Aragorn needs to be. Movie makeup and lighting magic makes
Harrison Ford appear much younger than he is, in some roles,
but his neck and his hands are certainly starting to show his
age. Even in this picture: <http://www.harrisonfordweb.com/>,
that isn't the neck of a 40 year old, is it?
--Trinker
Robert
>On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:43:29 +0000, Alison Scott
><ali...@kittywompus.com> wrote:
>
>>Margaret Young <mmy...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Is this the place for me to interject that in many ways LOTR is a
>>>great chick flick (assuming that is your gender interest)? Way too
>>>often in films the guys (or those so interested) have lots of women to
>>>look at and choose between. In LOTR there are a fine lot of men. If
>>>one doesn't ring your bell, chances are another will.
>>
>>It's an extraordinarily slashy movie, too.
>
>Somewhere out there, right now, the slash fic is being written.
It's been flooding into fanfiction.net ever since the film was
released, along with modern american joins the fellowship.
Naturally, most of it makes the 'Eye of Argon' look good,
but some of it isn't bad and, for those with the time to
sift through the sludge, the best is comparable with
SeaWasp's story.
--
Robert
Discover the price of the wish at
http:\\members.aol.com\fanfic28\cwishmain.html
Kathy Routliffe
>
> On 13 Jan 2002 22:04:26 GMT, Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> wrote:
> >Yup; so glad the rumored Ethan Hawke/Uma Thurman thing did not
> >come off.
>
> Which rumor was that?
>
> Incidentally, Bernadette and I both spontaneously decided that Uma
> Thurman would have been a much better Galadriel than Cate Blanchette.
> And she doesn't even need makeup to look elfin.
Actually, I thought Blanchette made a perfect Galadriel. You know how
people often say "Elves aren't cute, they're kind of dangerous?" Well,
she presented Galadriel as kind of dangerous. And more, as someone who
is kind, but who has had to *learn* to be kind. Since I abandoned the
idea of elves being six inches tall, I've thought they might very well
be like that.
Blanchette's Galadriel was wise, and kind, but very, "very" amused at
what her knowledge did to people. She was good, but not necessarily
nice. I liked that.
Mary Kay Kare
> The point at which Aragorn broke my heart, though, was when he faced the
> orcs after Boromir had fallen, saluted them, and _smiled_. That smile was
> everything that Aragorn is.
For me, it comes slightly earlier, when Frodo runs off and Aragorn turns
to confront the horde of orcs pouring out of the trees. As I said
before, *that's* how a king looks.
MKK
--
"Words are the hands of the mind"
Graydon Saunders on rec. arts.sf.fandom
Janice Gelb
>Lydia Nickerson <ly...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
>
>> The point at which Aragorn broke my heart, though, was when he faced the
>> orcs after Boromir had fallen, saluted them, and _smiled_. That smile was
>> everything that Aragorn is.
>
>For me, it comes slightly earlier, when Frodo runs off and Aragorn turns
>to confront the horde of orcs pouring out of the trees. As I said
>before, *that's* how a king looks.
>
I agree with you on the Aragorn end, but unfortunately, this
scene really bugged me for another reason. It was one of a
few scenes where the timing was just a little *too* perfect.
Just as Frodo and Aragorn finish their conversation, this
horde of orcs appears. It's almost as if the orcs were
politely waiting for them to conclude their chat before
attacking. There were a few other scenes like that, where
there was conveniently enough time to finish the dialogue
before something happened.
Mind you, I still really liked the movie, but this particular
scene struck both me and my companion in the same way.
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