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Ubiquitous

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Sep 23, 2002, 5:07:02 PM9/23/02
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In article <3Jv39.14530$cI.11...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
dgla...@earthlink.net wrote:

>As a seventh grade student, Claire Nelson learned that di(ethylhexyl)adepate
>(DEHA), considered a carcinogen, is found in plastic wrap. She also learned
>that the FDA had never studied the effect of microwave cooking on
>plastic-wrapped food. Claire began to wonder: "Can cancer-causing particles
>seep into food covered with household plastic wrap while it is being micro
>waved?" Three years later, with encouragement from her high school science
>teacher, Claire set out to test what the FDA had not.
>Although she had an idea for studying the effect of microwave radiation on
>plastic wrapped food, she did not have the equipment. Eventually, Jon
>Wilkes at the National Center for Toxicological Research in Jefferson,
>Arkansas, agreed to help her. The research center, which is affiliated with
>the FDA, let her use its facilities to perform her experiments, which
>involved micro waving plastic wrap in virgin olive oil.

Why would a federal lab allow a little girl to use their facilities?
This sounds fishy...

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Sep 24, 2002, 8:30:18 AM9/24/02
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Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/plastic.html for a real look at
this story...It's really only partial true...As always never believe what
you see on the net without doing further research...GG

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Peter Feger

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Sep 24, 2002, 9:59:38 AM9/24/02
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Tis part real, part lie (urban Ledgend material) Hats off to you For
looking at the story and being critical about its content. If more Folks
did this imagine what the net would be come.

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ladysycamore

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Sep 24, 2002, 1:53:58 PM9/24/02
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Claim: Microwaving foods in plastic containers releases cancer-causing
agents into the foods.
Status: Undetermined.

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/plastic.htm


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Sep 24, 2002, 3:02:14 PM9/24/02
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Sighting in the wild.....

The exact email described on Snopes was sent to me this
afternoon by my mother-in-law...

TeaLady

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Sep 24, 2002, 3:52:16 PM9/24/02
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ladysycamore <lady...@nevermind.com> wrote in
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> http://www.snopes.com/toxins/plastic.htm

Heh. I have more. Way more.

www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Polystyrene-Foods-Styrene-Monomer.htm
has a very technical study on what is in the yogurt cup and what
comes out of it under various circumstances.
DEHA is ruled out as a problem in food plastics used in Microwaves.
See the article at http://www.plasticsinfo.org/media/softpalstic-
wsj.html
The FDA has a microwave safety tips and information page at
http://www.foodsafety.gov/~fsg/fs-mwave.html

There are studies that claim DEHA is not so safe and may be a
problem in large amounts. As DEHA is what seems to be the chemical
leaching the most out of plastic and into foodstuffs, it must be
said that using the wrong plastics could cause harm. Others say
there is no harm unless really large amounts are consumed very
often over a long time span, so DEHA shouldn't hurt you. This is
an area I feel is still in dispute.

Basically, if you heat food in the wrong thing, you might get a
mouthful of chemicals, which might hurt you, if you eat enough.
This applies to non-nuked foods and cookery as well - lead frying
pans would be a no-no and a no-brainer, but somewhere out there
someone will use a lead frying pan and complain when he/she/it
comes down with lead poisoning and a ruint meal.

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Richard Casady

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Sep 24, 2002, 4:02:26 PM9/24/02
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On 24 Sep 2002 19:52:16 GMT, TeaLady <spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>This applies to non-nuked foods and cookery as well - lead frying
>pans would be a no-no and a no-brainer, but somewhere out there
>someone will use a lead frying pan and complain when he/she/it
>comes down with lead poisoning and a ruint meal.

Ruint stove is closer. Lead has a low melting point, and is totally
unsuited for use as cookware.
Casady

R H Draney

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Sep 24, 2002, 7:01:08 PM9/24/02
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In article <3d95c4c7....@news.earthlink.net>, richar...@earthlink.net
says...

You mean *besides* the obvious?...r

Jon Miller

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Oct 2, 2002, 1:41:41 PM10/2/02
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Richard Casady wrote:

OTOH, it looks like pewter, so if there's a shortage of that, you can
always use it for tableware if the customer is willing to pay enough.

Jon Miller

Little Wooden Boy

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Oct 6, 2002, 7:19:40 PM10/6/02
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TeaLady wrote:

Everyone is going to die. If they live long enough they will die from
cancer.

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Crashj

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Oct 7, 2002, 9:35:54 AM10/7/02
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Little Wooden Boy <LittleW...@invalid.nomail> wrote in message news:<Xns929FBA9...@68.1.17.6>...

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> Everyone is going to die. If they live long enough they will die from
> cancer.

Unless they get run over by something that does not exist yet.

Crashj '!!' Johnson

David Wnsemius

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Oct 8, 2002, 8:21:41 AM10/8/02
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Little Wooden Boy <LittleW...@invalid.nomail> wrote in
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> Everyone is going to die.

T.


>If they live long enough they will die from
> cancer.
>

F. The proportion of deaths from cancer decreases at higher ages.

Robin Mitchell

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Oct 8, 2002, 5:55:17 PM10/8/02
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On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:21:41 GMT, David Wnsemius <dwin$emiu$@attbi.com.not>
wrote:

>Little Wooden Boy <LittleW...@invalid.nomail> wrote in
>news:Xns929FBA9...@68.1.17.6:
>
>> Everyone is going to die.
>T.

Tb.

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Lee Rudolph

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Oct 8, 2002, 6:59:35 PM10/8/02
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>-- Robin "predicting is difficult, especially about the future" Mitchell

Whoa! One good blast from the past deserves another.

--begin excerpt from a post to sci.skeptic in 1993--

In his essay on "Irreversibility" in _Surprises in Theoretical Physics_,
Sir Rudolf Peierls writes:

We may try to analyze the problem somewhat more deeply
by asking why it is that we can easily perform experiments
in which initial conditions have to be specified, but never
any requiring terminal conditions. This is the real
distinction between past and future. A little thought
shows that this is connected with the fact that we can
remember the past, and that we can make plans for the
future, but not vice versa. It is evident that these
statements are correct, but they do not follow from any
known laws of physics.
We could speculate that these facts have something to do
with the way our brain functions, but we have no way of
explaining the origin of this one-sidedness. We must not,
of course, try to attribute it to some thermodynamic
irreversibility in our brain cells, because this would
amount to invoking the Second Law in a study aimed at
understanding the origin of the Second Law, and we would
have a circular argument.

--end excerpt--

Lee "quick, my beloved, fill the cup that clears
today of future REgrets and past tears" Rudolph

David Wnsemius

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Oct 9, 2002, 7:16:13 AM10/9/02
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lrud...@panix.com (Lee Rudolph) wrote in
news:anvo0n$23p$1...@panix5.panix.com:

> We may try to analyze the problem somewhat more deeply
> by asking why it is that we can easily perform experiments
> in which initial conditions have to be specified, but never
> any requiring terminal conditions. This is the real
> distinction between past and future.

Although the full statement {experiment,initial, conditions, terminal
conditions} is indisputable and probably tautological, there are useful
statistical frameworks in which the sampling design specifies the
terminal conditions and then analyzes initial conditions. In
case-control studies, persons with a terminal event of interest, death
often qualifying as interesting, are sampled and then compared on other
initial aspects with a group of not-yet-decedents. The surprising
symmetry of cross products of 2 x 2 tables makes
exposure_odds_ratios_given_disease turn out to be equal to
disease_odds_ratios_given_exposure. They are not experimental studies,
again by definition, but the time orientation is reversed. The
observer/analyst gathers a set of events and non-events and then looks at
aspects of their starting conditions.

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David "quasi-experimental" Winsemius

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