ATTN JMS (or his Spousal Overunit): Encore!
Yavar
another B5 novel? In my opinion, To Dream in the City of Sorrows is one
of the best books ever written, B5 or otherwise. She did such a
wonderful job tying in all of those loose plotlines I thought could not
be remedied (Sakai, etc.)
I'm sure that if another novel was to be penned by her, it would be a
best seller. Many people regard TDITCOS as the best B5 book, even
including the Centauri Prime and Psi Corps Trilogies.
Yavar (who, for his first post to JMS, wanted to do something else
besides praising JMS for all of the awesome work he has done, as he has
probably had too much of that by now ;)
Jms at B5
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
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Craig Meyer
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typing stories on his computer?
Paul McElligott
"Craig Meyer" <craig...@home.com> wrote:
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> Wow! I didn't know JMS was married. What did he do, say "I do" while
still
> typing stories on his computer?
>
>
His agent handled the negotiations....
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Before you buy.
ArsenicMan
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> "Yavar" <boba...@nctimes.net> wrote in message
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> > JMS, I was just wondering: does your wife seem at all inclined to write
> > another B5 novel? In my opinion, To Dream in the City of Sorrows is one
> > of the best books ever written, B5 or otherwise. She did such a
> > wonderful job tying in all of those loose plotlines I thought could not
> > be remedied (Sakai, etc.)
> > I'm sure that if another novel was to be penned by her, it would be a
> > best seller. Many people regard TDITCOS as the best B5 book, even
> > including the Centauri Prime and Psi Corps Trilogies.
> >
> > Yavar (who, for his first post to JMS, wanted to do something else
> > besides praising JMS for all of the awesome work he has done, as he has
> > probably had too much of that by now ;)
> >
> >
still
> typing stories on his computer?
>
>
Necessary" :)
Seriously, though... No thanks to B&N.com, I don't have a copy of Book #9,
so I haven't read it. Given Ms. Drennan's excellent work in "By Any Means",
though... I really, *really* want to read it.
Anyone know where I can get an unused (or used in virtually new condition)
copy?
ArsenicMan
==================================================
It's our last best hope for peace? We're *so* screwed.
Yavar
most horrible piece of work on the planet (note that I did not say it WAS
really). If you have every wondered what really happened to Sinclair, Sakai,
and the backstory of Marcus, READ THIS BOOK! It even ties in the comics, so
they stay canon!
Yavar
akea
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> ArsenicMan wrote:
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> > "Craig Meyer" <craig...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:TrIO5.103920$td5.15...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
> > >
> > > "Yavar" <boba...@nctimes.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3A0B3DCA...@nctimes.net...
> > > > JMS, I was just wondering: does your wife seem at all inclined to write
> > > > another B5 novel? In my opinion, To Dream in the City of Sorrows is one
> > > > of the best books ever written, B5 or otherwise. She did such a
> > > > wonderful job tying in all of those loose plotlines I thought could not
> > > > be remedied (Sakai, etc.)
> > > > I'm sure that if another novel was to be penned by her, it would be a
> > > > best seller. Many people regard TDITCOS as the best B5 book, even
> > > > including the Centauri Prime and Psi Corps Trilogies.
> > > >
>
> > Seriously, though... No thanks to B&N.com, I don't have a copy of Book #9,
> > so I haven't read it. Given Ms. Drennan's excellent work in "By Any Means",
> > though... I really, *really* want to read it.
> >
> > Anyone know where I can get an unused (or used in virtually new condition)
> > copy?
> >
> > ArsenicMan
>
Let's see... I've read "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" at least 4 times now. I
lost count. That's how hot that book is. And I cry every--single--time! As for the
Psi Corps trilogy, I've read those at least 3 times now. I can always picture Walter
Koenig as Bester *lol*. It never fails. I even cried at the end of that trilogy book
too. I have yet to read the third of the Centauri books. I don't find them as good
as the aforementioned ones. That's just my opinion.
- GaribaldisUniform -
Jeffrey Gustafson
"I have yet to read the third of the Centauri books. I don't find them
as good as the aforementioned ones. That's just my opinion."
The first book was rather inconsistent and mildly... bad. It served to
explain some stuff here and there, introduce a character that would give
Londo something to look forward to (other than Shiv'kala), and set up
the second book.
The second book was so much better. That one is mainly intended to
highlight Vir's development from fool to hero. It proves JMS's thoughts
that Vir is one of B5's most underappreciated (sp?), underestimated, and
misunderstood characters. I loved this book for it's character
development and it's wonderfully dark tone.
But the third book.... the third book is PERFECT. Everything comes
together. *Everything.* Sure, you may have an idea as to what may
happen, but it goes through everything, leaving no stone unturned. It
is magnificent and dark and beautiful and fulfilling and... well, as I
said, it is Perfect.
You'd be missing out big time if you didn't read this book.
-The Jeff
Sheridan:"So how did you find out all of this?"
Bester:"I'm a telepath. Work it out." <*>
Jeff Walther
akea wrote:
> As for the
> Psi Corps trilogy, I've read those at least 3 times now. I can always
> picture Walter Koenig as Bester *lol*. It never fails.
Heh, heh. Me too, but it had the interesting effect, that for the young
Bester, I pictured a still shorter Walter Koenig, with Bester's 50
year-old face pasted on. Sort of like some of the South Park
treatments... The imagination is a terrible place to waste.
Jeff Walther
Jeffrey Gustafson wrote:
Spoilers for "Out of the Darkness"
> But the third book.... the third book is PERFECT. Everything comes
> together. *Everything.* Sure, you may have an idea as to what may
> happen, but it goes through everything, leaving no stone unturned.
Except, did Sheridan and Delenn and Garibaldi never read Marcus's and
Franklin's report on the Keeper on Captain Jack? They never evince any
evidence whatsoever (at least with about 70 pages to go to the end) that
they are familiar with the thing.
It bothered me in the TV show and it bothers me (mildly) in the novels.
Here you have one of the most insidious threats imaginable. A difficult
to detect phenomena that can turn your people to the enemy's cause, and
no-one cares to remember or take precautions. Or think where it might
be used.
Jeffrey Gustafson
"Except, did Sheridan and Delenn and Garibaldi never read Marcus's and
to detect phenomena that can turn your people to the enemy's cause, and
no-one cares to remember or take precautions. Or think where it might be
used."
Franklin at the time did not know too terribly much about the keepers,
how (exactly) they worked, etc. Sure Sheridan and Delenn may have been
aware that Capt. Jack had something on him that screwed him up, but if
you were in their shoes, after over a decade how is one supposed to
correlate the two, especially with all the other happy horseshit that
was going on that they had to worry about. And if they took every
little thing that they saw as a threat and put precautions up against
it, then nothing would get done; they'd be living in a damn bubble!
Seriously, if you read a report that came on your desk during the
biggest time of your life about some thing that happened while you were
being tortured that has no significance to you and that has no real
explanation, you would pass it off, forget about it, etc. Even if they
were to pay close attention to this (at the time insignificant) and find
methods of defense or try to use their lack of knowledge in identifying
it (which is pretty much impossible because it should be noted -you
mentioned it yourself-), it would be "difficult to detect" still very
unknown and a million et ceteras.
Jakhel
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>> But the third book.... the third book is PERFECT. Everything comes
>> together. *Everything.* Sure, you may have an idea as to what may
>> happen, but it goes through everything, leaving no stone unturned.
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>evidence whatsoever (at least with about 70 pages to go to the end) that
>they are familiar with the thing.
>
Actually, I read the subtext of their reactions as more "oh, crap, another one
of *those* damn' things!" Yes, the implications for their use are fascinating
and arguably underused, but there are so *many* threads going in the B5
timeline-cluster that some of them are necessarily going to get short shrift,
in terms of "surfacing" where the audience can see them.
Like Lennier, for example. Or everybody that got off B4, or Lou Welch, who was
at least lucky enough to pop up long enough to get scragged.
AEC.
John R Stobo
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> Jeffrey Gustafson wrote:
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> > But the third book.... the third book is PERFECT. Everything comes
> > together. *Everything.* Sure, you may have an idea as to what may
> > happen, but it goes through everything, leaving no stone unturned.
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> Except, did Sheridan and Delenn and Garibaldi never read Marcus's and
> Franklin's report on the Keeper on Captain Jack? They never evince any
> evidence whatsoever (at least with about 70 pages to go to the end) that
> they are familiar with the thing.
>
> It bothered me in the TV show and it bothers me (mildly) in the novels.
>
> Here you have one of the most insidious threats imaginable. A difficult
> to detect phenomena that can turn your people to the enemy's cause, and
> no-one cares to remember or take precautions. Or think where it might
> be used.
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Or that Sheridan the moment he got back from the evacuation of Babylon 4
did not sit, stand, or however he does it, and make an official report
of everything he experienced during that trip, or not scan the present
Mollari gave him and Delenn for David's 16th birthday.
I've finished the Centauri trilogy and enjoyed it, but the whole role of
David somehow seemed seemed unfinished, and basically a plot device to get
Sheridan and Delenn to go to Centauri Prime so they can be captured.
Hell, it's not even mentioned how two experienced leaders knowing it was a
trap, still so easily got caught. One moment, they're on Minbar, the
next, they're in a Centauri prison.
But all in all, it was a good read, helped fill in all those blanks, and
really brought home just why "Babylon 5," the show, had to end where it
did. And I did like that Delenn had the presence of mind to ask John
after the past-John had left the body of the then-John whether or not he
had gone to Z'ha'dum.
--jack
Gizmo_Goddard
>On 13 Nov 2000, Jeff Walther wrote:
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>Or that Sheridan the moment he got back from the evacuation of
Babylon 4
>did not sit, stand, or however he does it, and make an official
report
>of everything he experienced during that trip, or not scan the
present
>Mollari gave him and Delenn for David's 16th birthday.
>
>I've finished the Centauri trilogy and enjoyed it, but the
whole role of
>David somehow seemed seemed unfinished, and basically a plot
device to get
>Sheridan and Delenn to go to Centauri Prime so they can be
captured.
>Hell, it's not even mentioned how two experienced leaders
knowing it was a
>trap, still so easily got caught. One moment, they're on
Minbar, the
>next, they're in a Centauri prison.
Well, it seems that they have both have a history of doing
things a bit abruptly when they were wronged or felt an overdose
of massive indignation.
Delenn at the Prometheus incident, shouting "Kill them! All of
them! No Mercy!"
Sheridan going off to Z'ha'dum after Anna showed up, knowing
full well it's a trap and knowing full well that he's going to
make them pay for what they did to her.
Delenn going back after the Drakh in "Lines of Communicatrion".
Sheridan going off hell-bent to Mars after finding out that they
had his father.
I can see them one or both of them heading out, hell-bent, to
Centauri Prime, without a second thought.
>But all in all, it was a good read, helped fill in all those
blanks, and
>really brought home just why "Babylon 5," the show, had to end
where it
>did. And I did like that Delenn had the presence of mind to
ask John
>after the past-John had left the body of the then-John whether
or not he
>had gone to Z'ha'dum.
Yeah, I thought that was well done. She had blurted out her most
heartfelt warning and after the fact, found out that the
universe has a way of preserving destiny.
__!_!__
Gizmo
akea
Jeff Walther wrote:
*lol* I pictured Bester's 50-year-old face too, but managed to give him a
younger appearance. Poor little Alfie. He had an evil streek even as a young
child. That sent chills up my spine *brrrr*
After some analysis of Bester's character when I finished the trilogy, I
found him to be very much like his Grandfather, Kevin Vacit. Don't you
think? He had so many of his traits, it was creepy.
- GaribaldisUniform-
Tammy Smith
(please, please!), I would want JMS' wife to write it. I loved "To
Dream...". She is very good at writing for Sinclair.
Tammy
lisa_c...@my-deja.com
100...@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>,
John R Stobo <jr...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2000, Jeff Walther wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey Gustafson wrote:
> >
> > Spoilers for "Out of the Darkness"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
comes
> > > together. *Everything.* Sure, you may have an idea as to what
may
> > > happen, but it goes through everything, leaving no stone
unturned.
> >
> > Except, did Sheridan and Delenn and Garibaldi never read Marcus's
and
> > Franklin's report on the Keeper on Captain Jack? They never evince
any
> > evidence whatsoever (at least with about 70 pages to go to the end)
that
> > they are familiar with the thing.
> >
> > It bothered me in the TV show and it bothers me (mildly) in the
novels.
> >
> > Here you have one of the most insidious threats imaginable. A
difficult
> > to detect phenomena that can turn your people to the enemy's cause,
and
> > no-one cares to remember or take precautions. Or think where it
might
> > be used.
> >
> >
> >
>
I agree with what Jeff said - to many things happen in the interim (a
Drakh plague on Earth and a Psi Corps war among them, remember? They
wouldn't have a clue.
> Or that Sheridan the moment he got back from the evacuation of
Babylon 4
> did not sit, stand, or however he does it, and make an official report
> of everything he experienced during that trip, or not scan the present
> Mollari gave him and Delenn for David's 16th birthday.
>
>From Z'ha'dum and what he leaves for Delenn he did have some record of
that future, most likely via Draal. As jms has said, be careful not to
equate what happens to him with true knowledge of the future, he is out
of time, confused, doesn't even know if it will happen. There is no
indication he should check the urn, Delenn doesn't say nearly enough to
warrant that. And even if they had, there's every chance they would
have found nothing given what the Shadows and their minions seem to
have of invisibility and stealth.
> I've finished the Centauri trilogy and enjoyed it, but the whole role
of
> David somehow seemed seemed unfinished, and basically a plot device
to get
> Sheridan and Delenn to go to Centauri Prime so they can be captured.
> Hell, it's not even mentioned how two experienced leaders knowing it
was a
> trap, still so easily got caught. One moment, they're on Minbar, the
> next, they're in a Centauri prison.
>
?? This is incredibly well dealt with. Lione calls, says come or your
son dies, they argue, they both go. To them, it's a reasonable trade.
And perhaps they both think the Alliance is strong enough at that point
to survive.
Personally, I thought P. David and jms did an excellent job with David
Sheridan. Seems like a real (overly sheltered) kid.
> But all in all, it was a good read, helped fill in all those blanks,
and
> really brought home just why "Babylon 5," the show, had to end where
it
> did. And I did like that Delenn had the presence of mind to ask John
> after the past-John had left the body of the then-John whether or not
he
> had gone to Z'ha'dum.
>
> --jack
>
>
I thought it was superb.
Lisa
lisa_c...@my-deja.com
<Pine.GSO.4.10.100111...@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>,
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> did not sit, stand, or however he does it, and make an official report
> of everything he experienced during that trip, or not scan the present
> Mollari gave him and Delenn for David's 16th birthday.
>
He did record some of it (or Draal did and he had access to it) or else
he would not have been able to leave the message he left for Delenn in
Z'ha'dum. As for taking precautions, he didn't know this was the
future, he was hoping to prevent it. My guess re scanning the gift is
it wouldn't have worked, note the Shadows ability to be invisible when
necessary. If he and Delenn couldn't detect it when it was given to
them, I doubt anyone or thing in the galaxy would be able to. Also, they
do have their hands full in the time in between B4 and the incident on
CP. It would be reasonable to at least partially forget about it. How
much does each of us retain about events in our lives? And Sheridan is
shown to suffer a great deal due to the time travelling; losing part of
his memory on it would be a reasonable assumption to me.
> I've finished the Centauri trilogy and enjoyed it, but the whole role
of
> David somehow seemed seemed unfinished, and basically a plot device to
get
> Sheridan and Delenn to go to Centauri Prime so they can be captured.
> Hell, it's not even mentioned how two experienced leaders knowing it
was a
> trap, still so easily got caught. One moment, they're on Minbar, the
> next, they're in a Centauri prison.
>
> But all in all, it was a good read, helped fill in all those blanks,
and
> really brought home just why "Babylon 5," the show, had to end where
it
> did. And I did like that Delenn had the presence of mind to ask John
> after the past-John had left the body of the then-John whether or not
he
> had gone to Z'ha'dum.
>
> --jack
>
I guess I thought David was a well-realized character, who certainly
seemed to exude many of the characteristics I've seen in teens. As for
both of them going to CP, remember this is addressed as soon as we see
them there. Lione called and said if they didn't come, telling no one,
David would be killed. I would think going at that point would be a
natural response. As for Delenn's comment about Z'ha'dum, yes I'm glad
that was discussed as well. I've always wondered what she felt / said
and what he felt / said about this in response.
IMHO the book, and the whole trilogy, was superb.
Lisa Coulter
akea
Tammy Smith wrote:
You've got my vote on that one :) I would like to know how the Isil'zha
pin - the Ranger pin - went from having a Human and a Minbari symbols on
it, to 2 Minbari symbols, when Sinclair went back 1000 years. *heh*
--
"Nothing is more pure than the warm embrace of a dolphin." -
GaribaldisUniform
Shaz
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> Tammy Smith wrote:
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> > If a book about Valen & the first Shadow conflict is ever written
> > (please, please!), I would want JMS' wife to write it. I loved "To
> > Dream...". She is very good at writing for Sinclair.
> >
> > Tammy
>
> You've got my vote on that one :) I would like to know how the Isil'zha
> pin - the Ranger pin - went from having a Human and a Minbari symbols on
> it, to 2 Minbari symbols, when Sinclair went back 1000 years. *heh*
I think you'll find that's ONE Minbari. Take a look at Lenonn's pin in In
the Beginning.
Shaz
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