Believers in a Soul Hunter?
Dr Nancy's Sweetie
[ Spoiler space, just in case. ]
After "Believers" went off last night, I got to thinking about how the
episode was similar to "Soul Hunter". To the Soul Hunter, the Minbari are
just supersititious, and stopped them from saving Dukat because of their
belief in reincarnation. To the Minbari, storing souls in little glass
balls is a horrible thing.
But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5. He could, if the
kid's spirit left him during surgery, save it and then put it back (hmmm:
not sure if that machine has a reversing switch). In any case, given that
we have posited the existence of people who really *can* say whether or not
the kid's soul has left his body, I'm not sure it is true that there's no
way to know who was right. JMS says, in the _Lurker's Guide_ (the page is
at <http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/010.html>):
You say the boy was okay at the end...the parents didn't think
so. Who's to say if there was or wasn't a soul inside?
But the Soul Hunters have been portrayed as having this ability, an ability
which appears to accepted by everyone who knows about them, and which is
shown as genuine in more than one story.
Alternatively, a Soul Hunter could presumably go to their homeworld, wait
around for someone to get a chest injury, and then determine if the guy's
soul really left his body. Note that it apparently has to be serious chest
injury to invoke the "his soul is gone, let's kill the body" rule. JMS
specifies on the above page that "The area that cannot be opened is the
chest area, primarily; a nick or cut or scratch really doesn't count; it's
puncturing to the body cavity wherein the soul is housed."
Anything else wouldn't make sense, of course. Little kids are always
bumping into things and scratching themselves, and people cut themselves
with knives all the time. They mentioned food animals, so they have
butchers and (one suspects) lots of knives in their kitchens and at their
dinner tables and so on. It seems odd to me that a society could develop
in which any puncture/piercing/break of the skin means you have to kill the
injured party. Such a society wouldn't last long enough to make it as far
as developing space travel.
But chest punctures tend to be fatal anyway, and are carefully avoided by
most people. So I can sorta see that. Still, you have to wonder if
somebody on this planet who gets a chest injury and survives doesn't make a
careful point of hiding the injury from everybody else.
Darren F Provine ! kil...@copland.rowan.edu ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"I believe television is going to be the test of the modern world, and that
in this new opportunity to see beyond the range of our vision, we shall
discover a new and unbearable disturbance of the modern peace, or a saving
radiance in the sky. We shall stand or fall by television -- of that I am
quite sure." -- E.B. White
Jms at B5
>cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5.
They don't exactly make house calls by request....
jms
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Shaz
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> After "Believers" went off last night, I got to thinking about how the
> episode was similar to "Soul Hunter". To the Soul Hunter, the Minbari are
> just supersititious, and stopped them from saving Dukat because of their
> belief in reincarnation. To the Minbari, storing souls in little glass
> balls is a horrible thing.
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> kid's spirit left him during surgery, save it and then put it back (hmmm:
> not sure if that machine has a reversing switch). In any case, given that
> we have posited the existence of people who really *can* say whether or
not
> the kid's soul has left his body, I'm not sure it is true that there's no
> way to know who was right. JMS says, in the _Lurker's Guide_ (the page is
> at <http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/010.html>):
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it was) of belief by having a weird guy with a stone in his forehead stand
there and go "Nope. Can't see a soul." Why should they believe what HE
defines as the soul is what THEY define as the soul? How do they know he
isn't lying? Belief ends where you have proof, and this is a matter of
faith, not something that demands proof. To quote Hitchikers (more or less,
this is from memory):
"I refuse to prove that I exist, says God, for proof denies faith and
without faith I am nothing. Ahh, says man, but the Babel fish is a dead
giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist, therefore you don't. QED. Oh, I
hadn't thought of that, says God, and promptly disappears in a puff of
logic."
The Children of the Egg wouldn't listen to a Soul Hunter or anyone else in
matters of faith.
Shaz
Laura Appelbaum
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> episode was similar to "Soul Hunter". To the Soul Hunter, the Minbari are
> just supersititious, and stopped them from saving Dukat because of their
> belief in reincarnation. To the Minbari, storing souls in little glass
> balls is a horrible thing.
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> But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
> cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5
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> But the Soul Hunters have been portrayed as having this ability, an
ability
> which appears to accepted by everyone who knows about them
This is simply not the case. The Minbari and several other unnamed groups
of non-Humans believe the Soul Hunters can capture souls, but this alleged
ability is most definitely *not* "accepted by everyone who knows about
them." Most significantly for your argument, Dr. Franklin most *definitely*
does not believe in souls or that the Soul Hunters can capture souls --
"patent superstition" he calls it. Sinclair initially tells the Soul Hunter
he doesn't believe they can do what they claim either, but because he
respects Delenn and the other aliens who do believe it, he decides it's in
the best interests of peace aboard the Station for him to leave. Later,
after he's actually seen the Soul Hunter's machinery at work, he's not quite
so skeptical. And when Franklin presses him about what he saw, Sinclair
expresses that change in view by saying he's "not sure; I don't know if I'll
ever be sure ..." Note that while Sinclair's opinon on the souls issue has
changed, Franklin's remains exactly the same -- "talk like that will get you
sent off on a long trip," he warns. He still thinks it's nuts.
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> Alternatively, a Soul Hunter could presumably go to their homeworld, wait
> around for someone to get a chest injury, and then determine if the guy's
> soul really left his body.
Again, your idea is not in keeping with the "facts" as we know them from the
series. In this case, the detail you've missed or forgotten (imagine that,
the High Priestess of Sinclair says to herself; someone *not* having all the
first season episodes committed to memory, line for line? <VBG> ;D) is that
the Soul Hunters are not interested in saving just anyone's souls -- only
certain souls, particularly Minbari ones according to Delenn, and as I
believe the Soul Hunter put it, the souls of "leaders, thinkers, poets,
dreamers and blessed lunatics." They could care less what happens to most
people when they die (although they apparently get off on "listening in" to
their deaths). Also, the point of saving these souls is *not* so they can
be reincarnated or reborn or returned to their bodies (indeed, this is the
basis of the Minbari/Soul Hunter conflict -- the Minbari believe in
reincarnation while the Soul Hunters insist that without their intervention,
souls die with the bodies they came out of), but for them to be able to
"enshrine" those souls for their own collections and conversations. Thus
Dr. Franklin would have no part of such an experiment as you suggest,
because he thinks the whole idea is ridiculous and the Soul Hunters would
have no interest in it either as they are only interested in preserving
exceptional souls.
However you *are* quite correct that both of these episodes deal with
interesting questions about religion and the soul in really interesting
ways. The moment in "Believers" when "Soul Hunter" comes most to mind for
me is when Sinclair is talking to Franklin about whether or not he'll sign
the order and says "who should I believe -- you, because we share the same
beliefs -- or do we?" Clearly, as the events in "Soul Hunter" demonstrate,
Sinclair and Franklin do *not* have the same beliefs about religion, souls,
what's right, what's wrong. Sinclair recognizes this fact and Franklin
doesn't. Shon's parents make that same mistake earlier when they condemn
Sinclair in advance, saying "Earth people always stick together" -- and
that's a delicious irony, isn't it -- that even tho' they are on opposite
sides about the surgery, the Children of the Egg and Franklin are both in
concurrence when they predict the decision Sinclair will make -- and they're
both wrong about it.
LMA
Mike Vanpelt
Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@copland.rowan.edu> wrote:
>But chest punctures tend to be fatal anyway, and are carefully
>avoided by most people. So I can sorta see that. Still, you have
>to wonder if somebody on this planet who gets a chest injury and
>survives doesn't make a careful point of hiding the injury from
>everybody else.
>From the some of the things Franklin said, I kind of suspect
that chest punctures would be more "non-survivable" for
Shonn's people than for humans without modern medical care.
Franklin talked about having to "re-inflate the air sac"
after the surgery.
That's probably where the belief came from initially,
the observation that any puncture of the chest wall means
you die, period. I wouldn't be surprised if not all of Shonn's
people believed that, since they do know, in principal, how
to do chest surgery, and do it on animals. It's even possible
Shonn's parents are members of a minority religion, like the JWs
and transfusions.
Franklin said that when he made the incision, there would be an
escape of air, since the air sac is under pressure. That probably
reinforces their belief - you can see and hear the "spirit" leaving
the body.
Now, if Franklin had been a bit more inclined to treat the
parents' belief with respect, and try to find a way to
actually work within it rather than run roughshod over it,
it might have been possible to do the surgery arthroscopically,
while maintaining an air-tight seal. Let the parents watch
so that they could see for themselves that "the spirit"
didn't escape. Or catch the air in a balloon and use that
air to reinflate the air sac after surgery.
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It's been far too long. -- Gene Cernan | KE6BVH
Reid Morris
important enough for a Soul Hunter to involved? No.
I don't think the station would openly invite another Soul Hunter after the
previous incident plus the amount of chaos and panic it caused in the other
alien races.
> But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
> cryostasis ....
I could see the shock and horror on the parents faces when they see their
kid frozen stiff!
"What the chosen of God!?! Frozen!" (insert fight scene: Father attacks Dr.
Franklin)
I think they would rather perform the Lambada (sic?) and send him on his
great uh.., journey.
Reidm
Mac Breck
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From: "Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Believers in a Soul Hunter?
> >But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
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...and they only capture "important" souls. It's not likely that the kid
would be deemed "important" enough to warrant a soul hunter.
Mac
LK
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>That's probably where the belief came from initially,
>the observation that any puncture of the chest wall means
>you die, period. I wouldn't be surprised if not all of Shonn's
>people believed that, since they do know, in principal, how
>to do chest surgery, and do it on animals. It's even possible
>Shonn's parents are members of a minority religion, like the JWs
>and transfusions.
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>Franklin said that when he made the incision, there would be an
>escape of air, since the air sac is under pressure. That probably
>reinforces their belief - you can see and hear the "spirit" leaving
>the body.
In human and animal death air frequently escapes from the lungs and
can can sound like a gasping after the heart stops beating. (I'm
thankful the vet took the time to explain what would happen.) So
asigning that breath or that sound as one's spirit is somewhat
understandable.
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>Now, if Franklin had been a bit more inclined to treat the
>parents' belief with respect, and try to find a way to
>actually work within it rather than run roughshod over it,
>it might have been possible to do the surgery arthroscopically,
>while maintaining an air-tight seal. Let the parents watch
>so that they could see for themselves that "the spirit"
>didn't escape. Or catch the air in a balloon and use that
>air to reinflate the air sac after surgery.
I've also thought of asking for relinquishing of parental rights,
like allowing the child to be adopted after the surgery by another
race.
And I've thought of asking the boy to make the choice for himself and
chose if he would want to try with another family or chose to remain
with "the chosen." The accusation of demon by one's parents can be a
soul killer. Yet, here and now in India and some other countries
women and girl are regularly killed and/or mutilated as witches and
accused of endangering their neighbors. Even killed in their beds by
members of their own families when spells are suspected to be the
cause of illness or misfortune. (I've wondered if some dowry or other
fortune or marriage prospect may be more reason.)
LK
Asbjörn Nejman
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> Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kil...@copland.rowan.edu> wrote in message
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> Question to moderators -- we don't REALLY have to start putting 25 lines of
> spoiler space in on episodes that originally aired six years ago, do we?
You're absolutely right. Since B5 has aired in all countries on Earth,
everybody has seen all episodes. Not to mention the growing up
generation.
If they were to young to watch (or simply care) then, then they don't
mind
being spoiled now either.
Having said this, I'll continue by stating that belivevers was the worst
episode ever of B5 and no one could be sorry being spoiled about it.
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> > episode was similar to "Soul Hunter". To the Soul Hunter, the Minbari are
> > just supersititious, and stopped them from saving Dukat because of their
> > belief in reincarnation. To the Minbari, storing souls in little glass
> > balls is a horrible thing.
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> > But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
> > cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5
I found this an interesting idea. Having read JMSs answer above, I don't
think it would be viable but who knows - maybe they, for a fee, could be
persuaded to act as "life guards", i.e. they could be at Medlab to state
if someone was alive or not. This could possibly mean a lot to believers
and to the staff at Medlab.
Asbjorn
http://www.babcon.org/
Andrew Swallow
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>Now, if Franklin had been a bit more inclined to treat the
>parents' belief with respect, and try to find a way to
>actually work within it rather than run roughshod over it,
>it might have been possible to do the surgery arthroscopically,
>while maintaining an air-tight seal. Let the parents watch
>so that they could see for themselves that "the spirit"
>didn't escape. Or catch the air in a balloon and use that
>air to reinflate the air sac after surgery.
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Or possibly something weird like using acid to burn the blockage away.
Although great care would have to be taken to prevent anything else from being
burnt.
Andrew Swallow
Mac Breck
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From: "Asbjörn Nejman" <nej...@swipnet.se>
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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Believers in a Soul Hunter?
> Laura Appelbaum wrote:
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> > Question to moderators -- we don't REALLY have to start putting 25 lines
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> You're absolutely right. Since B5 has aired in all countries on Earth,
> everybody has seen all episodes. Not to mention the growing up
> generation.
> If they were to young to watch (or simply care) then, then they don't
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> being spoiled now either.
...or not dedicated enough to watch due to short attention span, laziness,
etc. Still, spoiler space is a good idea.
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> Having said this, I'll continue by stating that belivevers was the worst
> episode ever of B5 and no one could be sorry being spoiled about it.
Well, I've got to agree with you on that last point. I can't stand the kid
or his parents.
Mac
Jon Niehof
> everybody has seen all episodes. Not to mention the growing up
> generation. If they were to young to watch (or simply care) then, then
> they don't mind being spoiled now either.
in new viewers. In that case, it's only polite to give spoiler warnings for
episodes that have yet to air on SF. It's not a great welcome to the new
folks to tell them "if you didn't want spoilers, you should've watched from
day 1."
--Jon, N9RUJ jnie...@calvin.edu www.calvin.edu/~jnieho38
Cthulu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?
LK
wrote:
Can't some forms of laser surgery be done thru the skin? Or am I
thinking of sonic surgery like in the breaking up of of kidney stones.
A mass that large, as in the boy's condition, may have left too many
large size fragments for the body to deal with. And tissue mass, a
tumor, even if starved by severing and cauterizing the bloodvessels,
may be so attatched that it interferes with other organs. The decay
inside the body of such a tumor could put toxins into the body and
posion the healthy tissue by overloading the body's defense and
"clean-up" systems. (White cells?) So cutting the body open is most
efficent and fewer lethal side effects. And, for that matter, the boy
was so far gone, he probably wouldn't have survived the time needed to
recover from a non-invasive treatment even if it worked.
LK
Steve Elliott
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> > You're absolutely right. Since B5 has aired in all countries on Earth,
> > everybody has seen all episodes. Not to mention the growing up
> > generation. If they were to young to watch (or simply care) then, then
> > they don't mind being spoiled now either.
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> I thought most people on this NG hoped that the Sci-Fi airings would bring
> in new viewers. In that case, it's only polite to give spoiler warnings for
> episodes that have yet to air on SF. It's not a great welcome to the new
> folks to tell them "if you didn't want spoilers, you should've watched from
> day 1."
But isn't there a group for B5 newbies where spoilers are *not* allowed (goes
off and checks...)
yes..
:: The B5 Newbie mailing list
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:: The B5 Newbie mailing list is a place for those new to Babylon 5 to discuss
the show without fear of spoilers. :: Once episodes aired in the US and the UK,
posts about those episodes were no longer moderated for spoilers on
:: rastb5m.
With regard to the use of spoilers...
:: Spoilers are information contained in a show that has not been broadcast in
both the U.S. and the U.K. It has
:: been agreed that after the last day of broadcast in both countries' first
run, spoiler protection is no longer
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(from the rastb5m Moderation FAQ)
So this *should* mean that spoiler protection is no longer required on *any* B5
shows, as they have all been broadcast both in the US and the UK.
Steve
Cheryl Martin
Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
that's just okie dokie.
Cheryl
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Laura M. Appelbaum
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> Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
> both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
> that's just okie dokie.
Thanks for the confirmation, Cheryl -- that's what I thought we'd decided,
oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above decided to show
up.
LMA
Wesley Struebing
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>Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
>both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
>that's just okie dokie.
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...and it's nice that there is still a place where courtesy (at least
sometimes) holds sway.
(knew there was SOME reason I was still reading this list...<G>)
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> > both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
> > that's just okie dokie.
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> oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above decided to show
> up.
I hope that you're not including me with the "little kids"... personally, I
believe that spoiler protection should be present... it is common courtesy not
to spoil episodes that an individual may not have seen.
I was merely pointing out that technically, spoiler protection isn't necessary
anymore.
Steve
Jon Niehof
> > both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
> > that's just okie dokie.
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> Thanks for the confirmation, Cheryl -- that's what I thought we'd
> decided, oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above
> decided to show up.
courtesy to people entering the world of B5, I'm a "sarcastic little
kid?" I am well aware that the rules don't *require* it, but thought
*maybe* we'd want to be kind to newcomers?
--Jon, N9RUJ jnie...@calvin.edu www.calvin.edu/~jnieho38
The use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension
of the Blues Brothers has been approved.
Steve Brinich
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> issue has changed, Franklin's remains exactly the same -- "talk like
> that will get you sent off on a long trip," he warns. He still
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Franklin is a rather stiff-necked materialist. I recall one
fifth-season episode where a Pak'ma'ra tells him that they eat birds and
ground animals, but not "the fish of the sea". Franklin immediately
starts speculating out loud about Pak'ma'ra digestive physiology -- it
doesn't occur to him to ask if it's a religious or cultural taboo (which
is my first guess, if only because the stilted translation suggests an
old quote).
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Steve Brinich <ste...@Radix.Net> If the government wants us
http://www.Radix.Net/~steveb to respect the law
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Claudia Mastroianni
: "Cheryl Martin" <zof...@deepthot.org> wrote in message
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:> Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
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:> that's just okie dokie.
: Thanks for the confirmation, Cheryl -- that's what I thought we'd decided,
: oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above decided to show
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Seemed to me you were the one taking issue with someone else putting up
spoiler space. That it isn't mandatory doesn't mean it's not allowed.
Claudia (I think I've used up my negation allowance for the day)
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-- Ivanova, Points of Departure
Michael J. Hennebry
Mike Vanpelt <m...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
>Now, if Franklin had been a bit more inclined to treat the
>parents' belief with respect, and try to find a way to
>actually work within it rather than run roughshod over it,
>it might have been possible to do the surgery arthroscopically,
>while maintaining an air-tight seal. Let the parents watch
>so that they could see for themselves that "the spirit"
>didn't escape. Or catch the air in a balloon and use that
>air to reinflate the air sac after surgery.
Bing.
It seems that before the surgery, Franklin didn't study the
parents' religion at all, not even to look for loopholes.
Had he done so, he wouldn't have been surprised about the
"travelling clothes".
The surgery struck me as something that even with twentieth
century technology could possibly be done without puncturing
the skin. (Questions for Dr. Franklin: What counts as skin?
What counts as a puncture?)
If twenty-third century human technology was not up to the
task, Dr. Franklin could always have asked the Minbari.
Say, Delenn, got any ideas on how to make a really small
jump point inside someone you don't want to kill?
Presumably this would result in a reference to someone from
the worker caste.
--
Mike henn...@plains.NoDak.edu
Iluvatar is the better part of Valar.
Joseph Culbert
Michael J. Hennebry <henn...@plains.NoDak.edu> wrote:
>If twenty-third century human technology was not up to the
>task, Dr. Franklin could always have asked the Minbari.
>Say, Delenn, got any ideas on how to make a really small
>jump point inside someone you don't want to kill?
>Presumably this would result in a reference to someone from
>the worker caste.
I just had a horrible vision of Delenn and Sheridan
hopping into the White Star, which then shrinks and opens a
jumppoint inside the kid's body, and they go on a Fantastic
Voyage-style adventure as they try to shoot the evil obstruction!
(yes I know this was season 1 and not 3, screw off)
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Cheryl Martin
>"Cheryl Martin" <zof...@deepthot.org> wrote in message
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>>
>> Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
>> both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
>> that's just okie dokie.
>
>Thanks for the confirmation, Cheryl -- that's what I thought we'd decided,
>oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above decided to show
>up.
>
Um. I don't see any "sarcastic little kids". Anyways, there is
nothing wrong with extending courtesy to those who are just now
getting B5.
Anthony Nance
surrounding Kosh 1 and Kosh 2.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 PM
>Subject: Re: Believers in a Soul Hunter?
>
>
>> >But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid in
>> >cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5.
>>
>> They don't exactly make house calls by request....
>>
>> jms
>>
>> (jms...@aol.com)
>> (all message content (c) 2000 by
>> synthetic worlds, ltd., permission
>> to reprint specifically denied to
>> SFX Magazine)
>>
>
>...and they only capture "important" souls. It's not likely that the kid
>would be deemed "important" enough to warrant a soul hunter.
>
>Mac
I've always wondered why soul hunters didn't show up when
Kosh died (either one, either time for Kosh 1).
Tony
Laura M. Appelbaum
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They didn't have a globe big enough. <G>
LMA
Pelzo63
>I guess there are spoilers below for 4th season >events
>surrounding Kosh 1 and Kosh 2.
space
>I've always wondered why soul hunters didn't show up >when
>Kosh died (either one, either time for Kosh 1).
my guess is that they learned their lesson long ago, if the minbar could stop
them, i'm sure the vorlons could handle them too. much quicker probably.
...Chris
Asbjörn Nejman
>
> "Cheryl Martin" <zof...@deepthot.org> wrote in message
> news:8s7u8v$qc5$1...@dent.deepthot.org...
> >
> > Spoiler protection hasn't been required since B5 completed its run in
> > both the US and the UK. However, if folks want to do it as a courtesy,
> > that's just okie dokie.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation, Cheryl -- that's what I thought we'd decided,
> oh, about three years before the sarcastic little kids above decided to show
> up.
I guess I am the sarcastic little kid... Not a nice thing to say to
someone who is older than oneself.. ;-)
I know that I didn't read this newsgroup until season 5 was finished
here IN SWEDEN (obviously according to the above it doesn't matter if
we are spoilt or not. B5 HAS completed its run in both the US and the
UK...) which was about a year ago, because I couldn't even read the
subjects due to spoilers (like "Why did Marcus ...", "Vorlon attacks"
and stuff).
So why not a small spoiler space? Think of your friends in Nigeria, or
wherever the show may be sent for the first time right now...
Asbjorn
Mac Breck
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Believers in a Soul Hunter?
> I guess there are spoilers below for 4th season events
> surrounding Kosh 1 and Kosh 2.
>
>
>
> In article <00a401c03434$d7aa9b80$18d2...@cobweb.net>,
> Mac Breck <macb...@access995.com> wrote:
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com>
> >Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: Believers in a Soul Hunter?
> >
> >
> >> >But then I had another thought: Dr Franklin should have frozen the kid
in
> >> >cryostasis and tried to find a Soul Hunter to come to B5.
> >>
> >> They don't exactly make house calls by request....
> >>
> >> jms
> >>
> >> (jms...@aol.com)
> >> (all message content (c) 2000 by
> >> synthetic worlds, ltd., permission
> >> to reprint specifically denied to
> >> SFX Magazine)
> >>
> >
> >...and they only capture "important" souls. It's not likely that the kid
> >would be deemed "important" enough to warrant a soul hunter.
> >
> >Mac
>
> I've always wondered why soul hunters didn't show up when
> Kosh died (either one, either time for Kosh 1).
If you were a Soul Hunter, would you want to get the Vorlons pissed off at
you? Really not a good idea.
Mac
Mark Maher
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>
>I've always wondered why soul hunters didn't show up when
>Kosh died (either one, either time for Kosh 1).
>
In answer to your question, jms posted this reply:
(this is from the Lurker's Guide, a place where many such
questions are answered)
===========
Q: Why wasn't a Soul Hunter present at Kosh's death?
A: Because it was very sudden, and they learned the hard way to
leave Vorlons alone.
Q: Could the Soul Hunters sense Kosh's death?
A: It's not that easy a question, or that straightforward a
situation, as you'll see soon enough.
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Gizmo