(off-topic) Who is Jay Denebeim?
David Buxton
I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys can offer.
It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim? Is the Jay Denebeim
referenced in newsgroups such as alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a
contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
Or is this character totally unrelated to the Babylon 5 'community'. I
thought he might be related to you guys because of an article I found on
the Web which discusses JMS in the context of his interaction with his
newsgroups fans, and Jay Denebeim is mentioned as one poster in that
article.
I am just curious. I would be grateful if any answers could be sent
directly to my email.
Many thanks,
David Buxton.
David Stinson
:Hello,
:
:I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys can offer.
:
:It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim? Is the Jay Denebeim
:referenced in newsgroups such as alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a
:contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
Jay is a moderator of this newsgroup, and the newsgroup's moderation is run
off of his servers. He is also one of the original proponents of the RFD for
this newsgroup's creation (as was I). As to the other newsgroup you mentioned,
it was created mostly because of Jay's participation in news.groups, where he
has been involved in some controversy mostly having to do with attitudes about
moderation, net.kooks, etc. By and large, Jay is a fairly okay guy (YMMV).
:
:Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
Best bet would be to read Deja News for news.groups.
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David Buxton wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys can offer.
>
> It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim? Is the Jay Denebeim
> referenced in newsgroups such as alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a
> contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
>
> Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
He's not really real, it comes from that old Denebeim Slime Devil
line in Star Trek - TOS.
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__________________________________________________WWS_____________
It may be that your sole purpose in life is
simply to serve as a warning to others.
Jay Denebeim
Jay
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* Jay Denebeim Moderator rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated *
* newsgroup submission address: b5...@deepthot.org *
* moderator contact address: b5mod-...@deepthot.org *
* personal contact address: dene...@deepthot.org *
Michael J Wise
> It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim?
One of the moderators of the newsgroup.
> Is the Jay Denebeim referenced in newsgroups such as
> alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
You could say that.
> Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
Because he's trying to clean up some areas of UseNet, and some people
are peeved off at the ways he is choosing to do it.
Have you considered emailing him?
Have you considered looking at his homepage?
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Simon Paquet
>I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys can offer.
>
>It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim? Is the Jay Denebeim
>referenced in newsgroups such as alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a
>contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
>
>Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
>
>Or is this character totally unrelated to the Babylon 5 'community'. I
>thought he might be related to you guys because of an article I found on
>the Web which discusses JMS in the context of his interaction with his
>newsgroups fans, and Jay Denebeim is mentioned as one poster in that
>article.
>
>I am just curious. I would be grateful if any answers could be sent
>directly to my email.
Jay Denebeim is one of the moderators of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated.
He's also a regular of alt.config and one of those people, who responds to
all those silly newgroup-games for some bogus groups with rmgroups.
Because of that he is the object of massive flaming.
Ciao
Simon
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not for fame, for one person in the dark, where no one will ever know
or see." (Babylon 5 - Comes The Inquisitor)
J. Potts
He use to work craft services at the Babylon 5 stage making hot dogs.
Now folks are complaining that he's just a big wiener.
--
JRP
"How many slime-trailing, sleepless, slimy, slobbering things do you know
that will *run and hide* from your Eveready?"
--Maureen Birnbaum, Barbarian Swordsperson
Gharlane of Eddore
In <davidbuxton-87EE...@newnews.dircon.co.uk>
David Buxton <david...@mac.com> writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys
> can offer.
>
Newbies are, ipso facto, beyond help; but we'll try.
>
> It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim?
> Is the Jay Denebeim referenced in newsgroups such as
> alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a contributor to the
> Babylon 5 groups?
>
Jay Denebeim is the illegitimate son of Lord Greystoke and La of Opar,
an unfortunate comcomitant of a liaison which occurred while Lord
Greystoke was suffering a temporary lapse of memory.
As a child, it was his wont to spend many happy hours in the middle
of the Sahara Desert, where he used a pointed stick to create huge
symbols in the sand. Most of these symbols were placed in his
febrile imagination by a Bent Eldil seeking to destroy this planet.
Fortunately, sandstorms covered them as rapidly as they were created,
or our world leaders would long since have been in touch with the
Malign Elder Gods, and sold us all to Great Cthulhu as Purina
Thing Chow. When his return to Opar was prevented by the presence
of Erwin Rommel's troops in an inopportune portion of the Sahara, he
spent too much time in the sun and forgot his way home. ( This kind
of long-term sun damage is also seen in California surf bums, who after
years of exposure to unfiltered sunshine become completely disabled
and incapable of speech, food-gathering, or organized locomotion;
and begin to vote "Democrat." )
Denebeim was discovered, early in the 1960's, still scratching in the
sand, by a desert research group which had been lost since their
exploration tour during the "International Geophysical Year" in
the late 1950's. They presumed he was a hitherto-unknown variant
on classic primate stock, somewhere on the evolutionary path between
homo habilis and homo rudolphensis, and brought him back with them
when they eventually discovered the Atlantic Ocean in the early
'70's. By this time they had accustomed him to concepts endemic
to modern civilization: bathing, shaving, walking upright; but his
verbal communication still left much to be desired, as his most
advanced language capacity was still hugely primitive, comprised
primarily of grunts, snorts, and Italian.
Once the researchers at Harvard Medical School had finished their
evaluation, he was identified as largely of modern stock, mostly
Cro-Magnon in origin, and most likely of primarily European
extraction. An early prototype CAT scanner established that
the low-browed conical shape of his brain case was attributable
to early childhood trauma, most likely originating in butting
contests with ostriches and the occasional camel bite.
While his language skills never developed above the level of
the average U.S. high-school graduate, and he is consequently
unable to find work requiring communication ability, he did
prove to have a trainable knack for programming, and was taken
on by the same Nevada group which had taught chimpanzees to use
sign language. While his intelligence was less than that of
the average chimpanzee, and he was considerably less social
and tractable, a system of rewards ( fresh bananas and the
occasional girlie magazine ) and punishments ( electrical shock
and suspension of his TV privileges so he couldn't watch
"GILLIGAN'S ISLAND" ) resulted in his being able to write
code at level competitive with most professional programmers;
aside from his habitual insistence on inserting comments like
" */ Ginger --- mmmmmmmm /* " of course.
Some years agone, during the heyday of the on-line riots and
ugliness over "BABYLON 5," wherein a couple of habitual psycho
stalkers were making anything resembling coherent discussion
possible, it was decided to create a "Moderated" "BABYLON 5"
discussion topic. This would allow a modicum of leavening
to be applied to postings, with particular attention paid to
folks whose primary goal appeared to be hounding and harassing
JMS to the point of wasting all his on-line time and what
little good humor he'd managed to achieve. ( See above comments
concerning sunshine, and reflect that JMS moved to California
early in his life, and spent far too much time outdoors;
fortunately, he became a Net-Addicted Midnight Troglodyte in
time to save the last ragged vestiges of his sun-fried cortex
from complete solar desiccation, but his temper is akin to
that of a testosterone-poisoned orang-outang with hemorrhoids. )
Since Denebeim was widely known to be a pointy-headed primate
with delusions of grandeur and major communications disabilities
( rooted in his inability to carry on a conversation in the
presence of an unfolded centerfold ), there was massive hue
and cry when he volunteered to spear-head the creation of a
moderated topic. He side-stepped this volley of barbs and
elderly vegetables by getting a GROUP together and hashing out
one of the most debated and tweaked sets of Topic Charter Rules
ever seen on the Net; to this day, it's used as a model by other
groups with similar problems. They set up the topic with
*multiple* moderators, in order to spread the load, and also
provide multiple avenues for griping and obtaining compensatory
action when there was a disagreement over the appropriateness
or acceptability of a posting.
The original moderators' group was dubbed "The Gray Council."
You can find a list of them somewhere in the FAQs and
information files. Several of them are still active; one,
Dr. Schilling, has done yeoman labor over the years on both
the software and the diplomacy fronts. Others, such as CLM
and a lady who's no longer active, Pat Swann, have also
fritzed away thousands of person-hours trying to make this
discussion topic a salubrious place, even in the face of my
continued presence. ( And you should only *see* the file
I've saved of all my postings that they've rejected. )
A conservative estimate of the amount of life-span invested by
the moderators was made a few years back; I've forgotten the
exact number, but it was *dozens* of person-years.
>
> Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
>
He is vilified because any sort of "moderation" is a violation of
the classic open, free-for-all, laissez-faire libertarian style
unrestricted communication that represents all that is best in
the "News" system. A good many folks saw him as a bandwagon
leaper, an aggressive power-seeking fanboy who wanted to have
some importance in the world and couldn't achieve it any other
way; and they discussed this at length, with great disdain for
his feelings and sensibilities, on other topics.
Intriguingly, the vast majority of the griping was coming from
those self-same obsessive stalker-loons whose very existence had
created the need for a moderated topic.
Now, while Jay Denebeim is a pointy-headed protohominid with
delusions of sapience, limited verbal intelligence, and a
tendency to scratch behind his ear using his hind legs, he *DID*
burn the midnight oil, invest scads of money and huge quantities
of his time, and spend a *LOT* of time coding custom software
for the whole operation, probably about five man-years of time
by the time he was done and things had settled down to a dull
roar. He didn't do this to be able to order people around,
or be the Big Frog; he did it because he loved the show, and
wanted to be able to have a topic where people could wrangle,
argue, and discuss, without having to deal with cold-out crazed
loons whose only interest was blood-letting and psychological
assault..... and thought it was worth doing.
>
> Or is this character totally unrelated to the Babylon 5 'community'.
> I thought he might be related to you guys because of an article I
> found on the Web which discusses JMS in the context of his interaction
> with his newsgroups fans, and Jay Denebeim is mentioned as one poster
> in that article.
>
Yeah, he's been somewhat involved over the years. He doesn't really
post all that much, since the moderator "CLM" has to vet his his
postings for spelling, English grammar, and sentence structure,
and translate the grunts into standard terminology. Intriguingly,
for the proponents of Strong Whorfianism, most of his simplistic
utterances in Italian make more sense and are more easily translated
into English if they're first translated into Basque; a number of
scholarly research papers have appeared on this subject, despite
the fact that Jay appears to have eaten two members of the last
linguistics research team that attempted to interview him.
( We *TOLD* them to take a sack of Big Macs with them, in case
the Denebeim got hungry... but they just nodded, snotty-superior,
and didn't even notice we were all wearing tee-shirts that said
"Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Denebeim." There's a REASON for those
shirts... )
>
> I am just curious. I would be grateful if any answers could be sent
> directly to my email.
>
RTFG. ( "Read The Friendly Group." )
Now, as for:
>
> From: dene...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim)
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
> Subject: Re: (off-topic) Who is Jay Denebeim?
> Date: 5 Jun 2000 12:58:07 -0600
> Organization: Deep Thought
> Approved: b5mod <b5...@deepthot.org>
> Message-ID: <8hf9lj$7nj$1...@dent.deepthot.org>
> References: <davidbuxton-87EE...@newnews.dircon.co.uk>
>
> He's just this guy, you know?
>
> Jay
> --
> * Jay Denebeim Moderator rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated *
> * newsgroup submission address: b5...@deepthot.org *
> * moderator contact address: b5mod-...@deepthot.org *
> * personal contact address: dene...@deepthot.org *
>
Bad Denebeim, BAD Denebeim. No Ginger, no Mary Ann, for TWO weeks.
You *know* you're not supposed to do the Gag Halfrunt impression
in public without paying Doug. ( And you need to talk to the
dialog coach *again* about your accent. Remember, Gag is an
AUSTRIAN SHRINK, not a California Valley Boy. )
>
> Many thanks, David Buxton.
>
The bill is in the mail.
HTH and HAND.
Jms at B5
>Now folks are complaining that he's just a big wiener.
Don't be silly.
Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
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Wesley Struebing
>>He use to work craft services at the Babylon 5 stage making hot dogs.
>>Now folks are complaining that he's just a big wiener.
>
>Don't be silly.
>
>Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
>
> jms
>
(oh, I'm gonna relish this!)
I actually had the impression that he was just a big hot dog, and
couldn't cut the mustard anymore...
(ducking and running - he lives too close to me...<G>)
Michael J Wise
> He's just this guy, you know?
You are Dr. Halfgrunt (or whatever his name was), personal Brain-Care
specialist to Zaphod Bebblebrox, and I want my Pan-Galactic Gargle-
Blaster!
To...@fred.net
: Hello,
: I am a newbie here, and I would appreciate any help you guys can offer.
: It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim? Is the Jay Denebeim
: referenced in newsgroups such as alt.flame.jay-denebeim etc. a
: contributor to the Babylon 5 groups?
: Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
He suggested New Coke.
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Jay Denebeim
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
The Shadow, eh Joe? Who knows what evil *lurks* in the hearts of men?
Why little 'ole me, of course.
Jay (I feel a Jo Walton filk coming on)
Paul Bolchover
That's odd, 'cause for a long time I assumed that you were female :-)
Paul Bolchover
Jay Denebeim
Michael J Wise <mjw...@kapu.net> wrote:
>Jay Denebeim wrote:
>
>> He's just this guy, you know?
>
>specialist to Zaphod Bebblebrox, and I want my Pan-Galactic Gargle-
>Blaster!
Here, you'll have to come get it though.
Jay
Harry
>
> He's just this guy, you know?
>
Actually, he is just this guy I know.
Hi Jay,
Harry Kuhman
Joseph DeMartino
> Don't be silly.
>
> Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
>
>
Oh. I thought he was Kent Allard. <g>
Joe
Michael J. Hennebry
>This post on 4 Jun 2000 12:27:00 -0600 would probably sound more commanding if David Buxton wasn't wearing the Yummy Sushi Pajamas:
>
>He suggested New Coke.
Then why hasn't he been killed?
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"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >He use to work craft services at the Babylon 5 stage making hot dogs.
> >Now folks are complaining that he's just a big wiener.
>
> Don't be silly.
>
> Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
>
> jms
>
Gharlane of Eddore
In <8hf9lj$7nj$1...@dent.deepthot.org>,
In <8hihjq$ke3$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>
pb1...@cus.cam.ac.uk (Paul Bolchover) writes:
>
> That's odd, 'cause for a long time I assumed that you were female :-)
>
Well, he *USED* to be, but that was *before* the operation....
Steve Brinich
> Who is Jay Denebeim?
John Galt's evil twin.
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LK
Hennebry) wrote:
>In article <GrV_4.1733$JC.39...@news.abs.net>, <To...@Fred.Net> wrote:
>>This post on 4 Jun 2000 12:27:00 -0600 would probably sound more commanding if David Buxton wasn't wearing the Yummy Sushi Pajamas:
>>: Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
>>
>>He suggested New Coke.
>
>Then why hasn't he been killed?
Worse. He's still drinking the unbought supply.
LK
Jane E. Nicholson
>David Buxton wrote:
>
>> It is a very simple question: who is Jay Denebeim?
>
>Have you considered emailing him?
>Have you considered looking at his homepage?
>
Hey! you shouldn't say things like that without providing a link!
Jane
Gharlane of Eddore
>
> Why is Jay Denebeim vilified?
>
In <39401A7E...@bigfoot.com> a_b...@bigfoot.com writes:
>
> Because he's a bio-robot. I'm sure of it! Bloxy's said so!
>
BZZZZZT! Sorry, wrong answer.
Jay Denbeim is *actually* a Bennettian Fembot which went to Sweden
for an Operation. His *original* designation was "Jane 10-E-B-M."
( He had a recurring role on "BEYOND WESTWORLD," playing a robot
copy of Melinda Fee. )
Corun MacAnndra
>
> >He use to work craft services at the Babylon 5 stage making hot dogs.
> >Now folks are complaining that he's just a big wiener.
>
> Don't be silly.
>
> Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
Yes, but which one?
Corun
The Reverend Jacob Corbin
Corun MacAnndra wrote:
>
> > Everyone knows that Jay is really Lamont Cranston.
>
> Yes, but which one?
The one fronting the Lamont Cranston Blues Band, whose promotional T-shirt
is in my laundry even as I speak.
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