new jms prose & crusade scripts
Jms at B5
I'm pleased to announce that I've signed a contract to have some of my prose
work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site which
will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers available for
reading online *without charge* to readers.
These include the following items, which will be rolled out in roughly this
order over the coming days and weeks....
My brand new non-B5 short story, COLD TYPE, and in a little while, a reprint of
my novelette WE KILLED THEM IN THE RATINGS, which originally appeared in a
major mystery anthology. COLD TYPE is a contemporary dark fantasy story in
the TWILIGHT ZONE mold.
Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced CRUSADE scripts
that were written specifically to crank up the overall story arc: "To the Ends
of the Earth," which was to be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of
Shadows," and the *season finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were
written but never filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the
rest of the season and where it was going...this is it.
AND...biggest of all....
In a few weeks, as a thank-you to all the B5 fans who've stayed with us over
the years, instead of taking my new novel to auction, through Bookface I'm
making it avaiable *free* for online reading. TRIBULATIONS will be serialized
on the Bookface site over a period of about a month.
So head on over...I think you'll like what you see.
jms
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com
(all message content (c) 2000 by
synthetic worlds, ltd., permission
to reprint specifically denied to
SFX Magazine)
flet...@post.queensu.ca
> I'm pleased to announce that I've signed a contract to have some of my prose
> work appear online at www.bookface.com
well, one thing at a time I guess.
> my two unproduced CRUSADE scripts that were written specifically to
> crank up the overall story arc: "To the Ends of the Earth," which was to
> be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of Shadows," and the
> *season finale* "End of the Line."
Read these two today, and I have to say -- I'm _glad_ that these didn't
get filmed (and then the show cancelled). I would have been _really_
pissed at that point.
Is there any chance of more Crusade stuff ever being done to follow up on
the nasty 'To Be Continued...' at the end of the second episode? Or
should we wait impatiently to see if production ever picks up on the show
again?
Ae.
Tim Skirvin
>I'm pleased to announce that I've signed a contract to have some of my prose
>work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site which
>will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers available for
>reading online *without charge* to readers.
Can't we just pay or something, instead of playing with Java?
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
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Chris Lawrence
> Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced
> CRUSADE scripts that were written specifically to crank up the
> overall story arc: "To the Ends of the Earth," which was to be that
> season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of Shadows," and the *season
> filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the rest of
> the season and where it was going...this is it.
That does it, I'm now firmly convinced jms is evil ;-)
Spoilers follow.
So, Earthforce is up to its eyeballs yet again in shadow tech.
Great... I guess the thing that strikes me is that EF seems to spend
most of its time wrapped up in operations where it's covering its own
ass: the soldiers they experimented on, the whole involvement with the
shadows. However, it seems like Earth has/had independent groups
fooling with shadow tech: the Psi Corps on Mars, plus EF on Ganymede
(the ship they destroyed with the White Star during B5 S3) and EF out
in the boonies here. And of course the technomages. Are they ever
going to learn their lesson?
OTOH, (speculation here) these EF black project bozos could stumble
onto the cure for the plague themselves (but then they'd have to
explain how they got it). Nasty business.
As someone else said, definitely more new questions than old answers
(except for "Who killed the Cerberus?", which silly me always just
assumed was the Shadows ;-).
Chris
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10 of 10321
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000604032326...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
> For those who have wanted to see some new stuff from me....
>
prose
> work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site
which
> will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers available
for
> reading online *without charge* to readers.
>
this
> order over the coming days and weeks....
>
> My brand new non-B5 short story, COLD TYPE, and in a little while, a
reprint of
> my novelette WE KILLED THEM IN THE RATINGS, which originally appeared in a
> major mystery anthology. COLD TYPE is a contemporary dark fantasy story
in
> the TWILIGHT ZONE mold.
>
scripts
> that were written specifically to crank up the overall story arc: "To the
Ends
> of the Earth," which was to be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming
of
> Shadows," and the *season finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were
> written but never filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for
the
> rest of the season and where it was going...this is it.
>
>
> In a few weeks, as a thank-you to all the B5 fans who've stayed with us
over
> the years, instead of taking my new novel to auction, through Bookface I'm
> making it avaiable *free* for online reading. TRIBULATIONS will be
serialized
> on the Bookface site over a period of about a month.
>
> So head on over...I think you'll like what you see.
>
> jms
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> B5 Official Fan Club at:
> http://www.thestation.com
> (all message content (c) 2000 by
> synthetic worlds, ltd., permission
> to reprint specifically denied to
> SFX Magazine)
>
Wow. So many emotions at once, having just read the two scripts...
(SPOILERS)
Joy: At being able to read such masterpeices.
Glee:At watching them hunt down the ship.
Fear:Of a rift between Galen and Gideon
Horror and Bewilderment: At the last scene of the second script.
Rage: At the MASSIVE to be continued...
Is there still hope for a SciFi Channel production of Crusade? I want to see
these scripts on film! (But more Importantly, I want to see what happens!)
>
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>
Michael J Wise
> For those who have wanted to see some new stuff from me....
Mememememe!
> My brand new non-B5 short story, COLD TYPE,
Nasty. Interesting solution.
> and in a little while, a reprint of my novelette WE KILLED THEM IN THE
> RATINGS, which originally appeared in a major mystery anthology.
Interesting story. Might re-read it to catch a few more details....
> Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced CRUSADE scripts
> that were written specifically to crank up the overall story arc: "To the Ends
> of the Earth," which was to be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of
> Shadows," and the *season finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were
> written but never filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the
> rest of the season and where it was going...this is it.
O U C H.
It would have been interesting to see a picture of the Girl. Not QUITE
what I was expecting (based on some earlier speculation), but close.
Nasty. Fits in with other things that had happened in the B5 world.
> AND...biggest of all....
Dunno, I'd be VERY HAPPY to see some more Crusade scripts of that stile.
Quite a rush.
> In a few weeks, as a thank-you to all the B5 fans who've stayed with us over
> the years, instead of taking my new novel to auction, through Bookface I'm
> making it avaiable *free* for online reading. TRIBULATIONS will be serialized
> on the Bookface site over a period of about a month.
Are you making any money thru this? Or is this a test to see if it can
make money? Looks interesting.
> So head on over...I think you'll like what you see.
The first time I visited, it went straight to the site, but now they have
a banner, and a pointer to a "Beta Site", but still... Interesting
concept. I hope you're seeing some money from it.
Aloha mai Nai`a!
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Simon Paquet
>Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced CRUSADE scripts
>that were written specifically to crank up the overall story arc: "To the Ends
>of the Earth," which was to be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of
>Shadows," and the *season finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were
>written but never filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the
>rest of the season and where it was going...this is it.
First of all, this is really great news and I have already read one of
those scripts (the one with the cliffhanger at the end, I guess that must
be the season-finale).
But after all, one question remains:
After publishing those scripts, is there any chance that we will ever see
CRUSADE again on the TV screen, or is CRUSADE dead and you wouldn't revive
it, even if you would get a call from a network? If you would do CRUSADE
again, if you had the chance, will we see those scripts going into
production?
Ciao
Simon
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not for fame, for one person in the dark, where no one will ever know
or see." (Babylon 5 - Comes The Inquisitor)
lcou...@stetson.edu
my prose
> work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site
which
> will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers
available for
> reading online *without charge* to readers.
>
> These include the following items, which will be rolled out in
roughly this
> order over the coming days and weeks....
>
reprint of
> my novelette WE KILLED THEM IN THE RATINGS, which originally appeared
in a
story in
> the TWILIGHT ZONE mold.
>
CRUSADE scripts
> that were written specifically to crank up the overall story arc: "To
the Ends
> of the Earth," which was to be that season's arc jumper a la "The
Coming of
> Shadows," and the *season finale* "End of the Line." These episodes
were
> written but never filmed. For those who want to know what was
planned for the
> rest of the season and where it was going...this is it.
>
>
> In a few weeks, as a thank-you to all the B5 fans who've stayed with
us over
> the years, instead of taking my new novel to auction, through
Bookface I'm
> making it avaiable *free* for online reading. TRIBULATIONS will be
serialized
> on the Bookface site over a period of about a month.
>
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> B5 Official Fan Club at:
> http://www.thestation.com
> (all message content (c) 2000 by
> synthetic worlds, ltd., permission
> to reprint specifically denied to
> SFX Magazine)
>
>
Thanks! I do hope you are making something out of this. So far I've
only read Cold Type - excellent!
Lisa Coulter
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kurtz
"Simon Paquet" <simon.s...@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:8hgi04.3...@babylon5.fu-berlin.de...
> After publishing those scripts, is there any chance that we will ever see
> CRUSADE again on the TV screen, or is CRUSADE dead and you wouldn't revive
> it, even if you would get a call from a network? If you would do CRUSADE
> again, if you had the chance, will we see those scripts going into
> production?
>
I didn't care a whole lot for the short story, but the two scripts look
very good. I'm now disappointed that Crusade didn't take off - I can
see how the whole story could have launched in a different direction
away from the plague thing.
I could easily be drawn to watch a new Crusade, even if it meant
starting over completely from scratch. It wouldn't even have to be
closely related to B5 to keep my interest.
Stephen C. Smith
By the way, the Bookface.com interface seems a bit pokey, and I'm using a cable
modem. Clicking the double-down arrow to scroll down takes a while to load; it might
be better if it just sent the entire file rather than waiting for a mouse click to
load the next section -- but that's not your department ...
Stephen
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Kathryn Shapero
<flet...@post.queensu.ca> wrote in message
news:8he8gu$qn8$1...@knot.queensu.ca...
> In a general mishmash of dark brown bytes, Jms at wrote:
prose
> This is great news, but I'm a little miffed at the need for Java. Ah
> well, one thing at a time I guess.
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> > crank up the overall story arc: "To the Ends of the Earth," which was to
> > be that season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of Shadows," and the
> > *season finale* "End of the Line."
> get filmed (and then the show cancelled). I would have been _really_
> pissed at that point.
I'd like to have seen them filmed actually - I doubt I'd have been much more
ticked off at TNT than I am now after rading the script of the first... The
implications are... impressive...
>
> Is there any chance of more Crusade stuff ever being done to follow up on
> the nasty 'To Be Continued...' at the end of the second episode? Or
> should we wait impatiently to see if production ever picks up on the show
> again?
Second the request...
John Steiner
> On 4 Jun 2000 12:10:40 -0600, Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced
> > CRUSADE scripts that were written specifically to crank up the
> > overall story arc: "To the Ends of the Earth," which was to be that
> > season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of Shadows," and the *season
> > finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were written but never
> > filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the rest of
> > the season and where it was going...this is it.
>
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Joe, I've read both scripts and enjoyed both. But, is there any chance you
can finish what you started in the episode "End of the Line"? Curious minds
want to know.....
Thanks...
John
Timothy A. McDaniel
case ...
Are you sure there were any "Kennedy silver half-dollar"s? Ah
... http://www.usmint.gov/facts/composition.cfm implies you
barely sqeaked by. The first Kennedy half dollars were 1964.
Silver was removed from quarters and dimes in 1965; however,
Kennedys were 40% silver from 1965 to 1970. I would not call 40%
silver coins "silver" (like I don't call something 15% juice
"juice"), but the coin referred to could be a 1964.
"without any casualties": wrong. "Casualty" means "a military
person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment,
or capture or through being missing in action", says M-W's
on-line dictionary (www.m-w.com). I've seen it used to mean
exclusively "injured or dead".
--
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tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
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up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)
Tim Fleming
If you want to see what happens next then you must help support the effort
to resurrect Crusade. For information go to
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~fleming/
(currently down, will be up again by June 5)
-Tim
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Simon Paquet <simon.s...@gmx.de> kirjoitteli:
: But after all, one question remains:
And yet another... Is there any change to have them published on
printed media? I would prefere paying for them once than than paying
the local telephone company every time I wish to have a look on them
and then wait and wait and wait and... wait for the java to load the
pages.
Well, publishing in web is far better than nothing. Thank you!
--
Riitta Niemistö "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards,
p. 365 3863 t. for they are subtle and quick to anger."
261 7273 k. -- Gildor to Frodo in The Lord of the Rings
by J. R. R. Tolkien
Matt Maurano
"Straczynski". Both Crusade scripts are titled identically, "Crusade".
Also, if the ad at the top distracts you, view the source of the page
(In Netscape, CTRL+U), and copy the name of the page for body (after
'<frame name="body" src='). It should look like
"body.html;$sessionid$" followed by longish string (eg
body.html;$sessionid$SRFWUYQAABKVHUIK1PHSFEB). Close the source, and
look at the URL at the top. Replace everything starting with
'index.html$' with the string you got from the source. Go to the new
URL, of the form
http://reader.bookface.com/book/1080/body.html;$sessionid$SRFWUYQAABKVHUIK1PHSFEB,
but with your sessionid, not this fake one. (1080 for EoL, 1081 for
ttEoE)
Frank J. Perricone
> >I'm pleased to announce that I've signed a contract to have some of my prose
> >work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site which
> >will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers available for
> >reading online *without charge* to readers.
>
> Can't we just pay or something, instead of playing with Java?
It's not the Java that bugs me nearly so much as being unable to copy it
onto my Palm so I can read it somewhere else. My computer time is rarely
the same as my reading time. ::sigh:: I can understand that if I could
copy it, I could email it to someone who could read it without Bookface
getting its hit count, but I wish there were a better solution than this.
--
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"Timothy A. McDaniel" <tm...@jump.net> wrote in message
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> Silver was removed from quarters and dimes in 1965; however,
> Kennedys were 40% silver from 1965 to 1970. I would not call 40%
> silver coins "silver" (like I don't call something 15% juice
> "juice"), but the coin referred to could be a 1964.
I've got one. Dunno why, but for some bizarre reason my mother acquired one
many years ago and we still have it. 1964 would be the correct date.
> "without any casualties": wrong. "Casualty" means "a military
> person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment,
> or capture or through being missing in action", says M-W's
> on-line dictionary (www.m-w.com). I've seen it used to mean
> exclusively "injured or dead".
It has to be military? News to me. We had causalities from the Blitz in WW2,
and they weren't military.
Shaz
Iain Rae
I believe in UK forces it refers to anyone requiring medical attention, this
could range from anything from a nosebleed to a bullet wound to the head,
whether anyone appears on casualty lists and on what list they appear depends
on the severity of the problem, I don't think it's reserved for those not able
to continue fighting.
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> and they weren't military.
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I believe the term now being used is "collateral damage" if it's your ordinance
that's involved and anything ranging rom "Innocent women and children" to
"Nuns, virgins, saints and nobel laureates" if it's the oppositions.
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Maagic
group to figger out how to spell "Straczynski" after 5 unsuccessful
attempts :) Wish we could just search for "JMS" :)
Great Crusade scripts, Joe! Thanks muchly!
--
-Maagic
aka Bryan Foster
Webmaster of the Rick and Bubba Audio Page
http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/bfoster/bubba.htm
Kurt Reisler
>
>work appear online at www.bookface.com, a brand new and exciting site which
>will make a wide range of well-known authors and best-sellers available for
>reading online *without charge* to readers.
>
>order over the coming days and weeks....
>
[*snip*]
Joe, while I do appreciate the fact that the scripts and your new
stories are available on www.bookface.com, I would still rather be able
to get hard copies of them. I just do not like the on-line book
experience. Even with my T3 connection (at the office), I am having a
hard time connecting to bookface.com, much less logging in. When
reading "on-line" I am captive of my workstation. I can't curl up in my
favorite comfy chair and read. And, when I can get to bookface.com, I
find the strobing ads at the top of the screen annoying (I know, the ads
are what pay for the service). Call me old-fashioned, but I really do
prefer printed materials.
If it is at all possible, I would love to see these made available either
through the B5-Emporium, or through the pubs from the loft site, as
Fiona's scripts are.
Thanks
--
Kurt Reisler (UNIX SIG Folded Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
Only a guest at k...@umbc.edu
<*> Moderation is for monks, and some news groups <*>
lcou...@stetson.edu
Great scripts! Especially the season finale - you are cruel jms!
I enjoyed reading them online and hope that we see them in print as
well!
lcou...@stetson.edu
Carl N. Hoff
Thank you so much for putting those two Crusade scripts at
www.bookface.com. I'd love to be able to print them out and
put them with the other scripts I've gotten through www.thestation.com
but I can understand the reason why I can't.
I remember several years ago (maybe 4 or 5) that you posted the
first several acts of a "V" script that you had written but never got
to produce. I've got what you posted back then filed away someplace
but it would take me a while to dig it up. I've always wanted to be
able to read/see the rest of it. Any chance you could put this up at
www.bookface.com as well?
Second, since you are now making these Crusade scripts available,
does that say anything at all about the chance of the SciFi channel
maybe picking up Crusades and producing new episodes? On one
hand, I can see this creating some excitement about the potential of
Crusades both among the fans and maybe a few intelligent people
at the SciFi channel itself. On the other hand, I would think that if
the SciFi channel were considering ever producing these episodes
they wouldn't want the scripts to be publicly available before hand.
Can you say rather of not if the people at the SciFi channel have
already seen these scripts? I'm guessing this is the sort of stuff
you'd show them when you thought there was a chance they might
pick it up last year.
Thanks again,
Carl
Paul D. Shocklee
[...]
> favorite comfy chair and read. And, when I can get to bookface.com, I
> find the strobing ads at the top of the screen annoying (I know, the ads
> are what pay for the service). Call me old-fashioned, but I really do
> prefer printed materials.
I really can't stand those flashing ads. They're incredibly distracting.
If I can't stop them, I end up covering them up with an xterm window.
--
Paul Shocklee
Graduate Student, Department of Physics, Princeton University
Researcher, Science Institute, Dunhaga 3, 107 Reykjavik, Iceland
Phone: +354-525-4429
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times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again
honestly, till they take root in our personal experience."
- Goethe
LK
Shocklee) wrote:
>I really can't stand those flashing ads. They're incredibly distracting.
>If I can't stop them, I end up covering them up with an xterm window.
After a few minutes I was able, amazingly ,to ignore them and the rock
music on the radio and _still hear_ the actors' voices and visualize
much of the CGI. (In one place it helps to remember a dream of
Garibaldli's.) Even have a sense of Chen?/Chan's? music.
Now this is due to me regularly listening rather than watching my
home video copies of the episodes. (Our cable provider connection--at
the time--to TNT wasn't that great last summer and even in VHS SP mode
the pictures are grainy.)
And it helped to know other people were having slow downloads and it
wasn't just my Netscape crashing, again. (Actually had to uninstall
it over the weekend and do a clean install to stop the crashings.)
LK
Tammy Smith
Crusade, too! :)
Tammy
Timothy A. McDaniel
>"Timothy A. McDaniel" <tm...@jump.net> wrote in message
>news:8hf7v2$o5q$1...@news.jump.net...
>> wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through
>> being missing in action", says M-W's on-line dictionary
>> (www.m-w.com). I've seen it used to mean exclusively "injured
>> or dead".
>
>Blitz in WW2, and they weren't military.
Hey, I just cut-and-pasted one dictionary's definition. In fact,
I said I didn't agree with it. The usages I've seen agree with
yours, that "casualty" (in a military context) refers to any
people (not just "military person") who are killed or injured due
to military action. ("Due to" is the real gray area; how
indirect do you go? Fortunately, the question does not arise in
the instant case.)
Michael W. Daniels
<8hjhkv$gid$1...@cnn.Princeton.EDU>:
>Kurt Reisler (k...@umbc.edu) wrote:
>[...]
>> favorite comfy chair and read. And, when I can get to
>> bookface.com, I find the strobing ads at the top of the screen
>> annoying (I know, the ads are what pay for the service). Call me
>> old-fashioned, but I really do prefer printed materials.
>
>I really can't stand those flashing ads. They're incredibly
>distracting. If I can't stop them, I end up covering them up with an
>xterm window.
Take a look at something like www.webwasher.com. I've been using it for
a few weeks, and it's worked wonderfully.
--
Michael W. Daniels | "But the evil is that they hold for
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Paul D. Shocklee
> Take a look at something like www.webwasher.com. I've been using it for
> a few weeks, and it's worked wonderfully.
Doesn't seem to be available for Linux yet, unfortunately.
B Poulton
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And it helped to know other people were having slow downloads and it
wasn't just my Netscape crashing, again. (Actually had to uninstall
it over the weekend and do a clean install to stop the crashings.)
LK
What version of Netscape are you using? I'm using 4.08 (16 bit - full
install) and it stops loading the book saying I'm it can't find a Java
file. If it was any writer other than JMS I wouldn't bother but...
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All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed.
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nav...@lucent.com
>What version of Netscape are you using? I'm using 4.08 (16 bit - full
>install) and it stops loading the book saying I'm it can't find a Java
>file. If it was any writer other than JMS I wouldn't bother but...
I am using Netscape Communicator 4.6 for Win95 (the 32-bit version). I
don't know that the 16-bit version of 4.08 has Java capabilities. In fact,
I don't know that even the 32-bit versions of 4.08 were Java equipped. You
could check the properties of your Netscape to see if it gives you the
option of having the Java activated or not. If you don't see it anywhere,
then it means your version of Netscape doesn't have the capability at all.
J. Potts
--
JRP
"How many slime-trailing, sleepless, slimy, slobbering things do you know
that will *run and hide* from your Eveready?"
--Maureen Birnbaum, Barbarian Swordsperson
Kurt Reisler
>wasn't just my Netscape crashing, again. (Actually had to uninstall
>it over the weekend and do a clean install to stop the crashings.)
>
>LK
>
>install) and it stops loading the book saying I'm it can't find a Java
>file. If it was any writer other than JMS I wouldn't bother but...
>
I am using Netscape 4.73 on a T3. The speed problems seem to be both
the load on the web site, and the reliance on Java to prevent you from
getting a copy of the script in cache.
And I agree, if it was any other then JMS, I would not have bothered.
LK
>In article <fYbP5AEH...@vcn.bc.ca>, B Poulton <bpou...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>And it helped to know other people were having slow downloads and it
>>wasn't just my Netscape crashing, again. (Actually had to uninstall
>>it over the weekend and do a clean install to stop the crashings.)
>>
>>LK
>>
>>What version of Netscape are you using? I'm using 4.08 (16 bit - full
>>install) and it stops loading the book saying I'm it can't find a Java
>>file. If it was any writer other than JMS I wouldn't bother but...
>>
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>I am using Netscape 4.73 on a T3. The speed problems seem to be both
>the load on the web site, and the reliance on Java to prevent you from
>getting a copy of the script in cache.
>
>And I agree, if it was any other then JMS, I would not have bothered.
Ditto. I've got Netscape 4.7 plus latest whatevers. And many times
I've had to disable the Java. I didn't even notice it was Java until
I looked the messages at the of the Netscape screen.
Since the clean install I've had no problems with Java. And several
people, after I've recomended JMS' work have come grumbling to me
about the Java problems. I forget it isn't a part of others online
software access. (Spouse is network tech so we have to have the
latest of whatever he's working on. Learning curves. <sigh>)
LK
John W. Kennedy
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> In article <fYbP5AEH...@vcn.bc.ca>, B Poulton <bpou...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
> >What version of Netscape are you using? I'm using 4.08 (16 bit - full
> >install) and it stops loading the book saying I'm it can't find a Java
> >file. If it was any writer other than JMS I wouldn't bother but...
>
> don't know that the 16-bit version of 4.08 has Java capabilities. In fact,
> I don't know that even the 32-bit versions of 4.08 were Java equipped. You
> could check the properties of your Netscape to see if it gives you the
> option of having the Java activated or not. If you don't see it anywhere,
> then it means your version of Netscape doesn't have the capability at all.
32-bit Netscape has had Java for years, since Version 2 or so. 16-bit
Netscape didn't, because there was no Java for 16-bit Windows at all,
except for a version created and briefly supported by IBM.
--
-John W. Kennedy
-jwk...@attglobal.net
Compact is becoming contract
Man only earns and pays. -- Charles Williams
Paul Coen
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> Since the clean install I've had no problems with Java. And several
> people, after I've recomended JMS' work have come grumbling to me
> about the Java problems. I forget it isn't a part of others online
I've had good luck with the scripts -- but I'm using Netscape 4.61
under OS/2 using IBM's 1.1.8 version of Java. Works great, it's
pretty fast (Pentium 200MMX with 48 megabytes of RAM, not exactly
a powerhouse) and I have a 56kbps modem that never connects at
much over 40kbps due to the crummy phone lines.
In other words, it's pretty platform-neutral Java, which is a huge
improvement over the usual Windows-only dreck such sites tend to
push. I've got to give them a lot of credit for trying.
Andy Hock
>
> Hello JMS,
>
> Thank you so much for putting those two Crusade scripts at
> www.bookface.com. I'd love to be able to print them out and
> put them with the other scripts I've gotten through www.thestation.com
> but I can understand the reason why I can't.
Yes, it would have been nice to have read the scripts curled
up in an easy chair, instead of hunched at the computer. Then,
again, they were free and the access immediate.
> Second, since you are now making these Crusade scripts available,
> does that say anything at all about the chance of the SciFi channel
> maybe picking up Crusades and producing new episodes? On one
> hand, I can see this creating some excitement about the potential of
> Crusades both among the fans and maybe a few intelligent people
> at the SciFi channel itself. On the other hand, I would think that if
> the SciFi channel were considering ever producing these episodes
> they wouldn't want the scripts to be publicly available before hand.
> Can you say rather of not if the people at the SciFi channel have
> already seen these scripts? I'm guessing this is the sort of stuff
> you'd show them when you thought there was a chance they might
> pick it up last year.
The thought also occurred to me that this might be a sign that
JMS had concluded that Crusade would definitely not go forward.
At this point, assembling the requisite actors would be well-
nigh impossible. Well . . . at least we'll probably see a lot
of it in the Technomage trilogy.
Andy Hock
Lorrie Wood
Paul D. Shocklee <shoc...@Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>Michael W. Daniels (dan...@ling.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>> Take a look at something like www.webwasher.com. I've been using it for
>> a few weeks, and it's worked wonderfully.
>
>Doesn't seem to be available for Linux yet, unfortunately.
www.junkbuster.com -- only go to the site linked from there
where a guy hacked it up to do 1x1 transparent gifs, because as-is
it will give you broken images instead. The modified version is even
available as a RedHat RPM, if that's your dist of choice.
It runs as a proxy server, and can be configured to do many many
things to protect you from noxious ads. You can compile from source for
any platform you like. You can have one copy serve as proxy server for
a whole network, or it can run through a proxy itself.
There. Now go and have fun. 8-)
-- Lorrie
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I believe in everything; nothing is sacred.
I believe in nothing; everything is sacred.
-- Tom Robbins, _Even_Cowgirls_Get_the-Blues_
Iain Clark
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> episodes, BTW - a tribute not just to the writing but also the actors'
> strong performances in the few episodes that were made) I'm more annoyed
> than ever that the series will never continue!
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> Actually it's interesting to look back on the rest of the series now.
Many
> people have said that in early Crusade eps there was none of the subtlety
> and foreshadowing that (we know now, looking back) was present in the
first
> Season on B5. It was all just linear storytelling. But reading these
> scripts I've been thinking that there is a *lot* in those early episodes
> which becomes much clearer (more spoilers
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> EarthForce's "ends justify the means" attitude was foreshadowed very
nicely
> in The Long Road, and more specifically with the soldiers in "Patterns of
> the Soul." Gideon's willingness to deceive his superiors is also very
> pertinent. (Who do you serve and who do you trust?)
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> The references to the Technomages' flight from known space during the
Shadow
> War, the reason Galen left their refuge, and the references to his and
> Isabelle's betrayal by their own kind - all these seem now much more than
> mere backstory.
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> The theme of insanity and misuse of technomage arts in The Memory of War,
> and the reason that their tech was able to yield a shield against a plague
> created by Shadow technology. (Not to mention the glimpses of Galen's
> implants and the ability of his ship to navigate off-beacon in
hyperspace.)
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> The flashbacks to the destruction of the Cerberus and the real reason for
> Earth Force's cover up, which now takes on a much bigger meaning than just
> the SOP of Clarke's regime.
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> Galen's seemingly throwaway promise to Gideon in the Path of Sorrows that
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significant.
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> The Apocalypse Box's pronouncement that Galen could not be trusted is now
> proven true (and also, typically, not what it seemed!)
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> That's all I can think of at the moment but I'm sure there are others.
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> the justification for the Excalibur's mission, the search for ancient
> technology to find a cure, is suddenly mirrored in a darker light. And,
> really, the justification is no different for the two projects. Once
again
> the overall theme that emerges (as shown in Racing the Night) is how far
are
> you prepared to go to save your world? When do the ends justify the
means;
> and what are you prepared to sacrifice to achieve them?
>
Iain
"Signs, portents, dreams...next thing
we'll be reading tea leaves and chicken entrails."
Pål Are Nordal
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> Ok I'm gonna come out and admit it... I had to come back here to the
> group to figger out how to spell "Straczynski" after 5 unsuccessful
> attempts :) Wish we could just search for "JMS" :)
It's easy... just try to remember it in three parts: Stac-zyn-ski.
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Pål Are Nordal
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> Also, if the ad at the top distracts you, view the source of the page
> (In Netscape, CTRL+U), and copy the name of the page for body (after
> '<frame name="body" src=').
You really shouldn't do that. Ads are what pays for the service, and I
for one wouldn't feel comfortable cheating jms out of his money.
Pål Are Nordal
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> At this point, assembling the requisite actors would be well-
> nigh impossible. Well . . . at least we'll probably see a lot
> of it in the Technomage trilogy.
Actually, none of the actors except Marjean Holden have any long-term
engagements that keep them from returning. All of them except Gary Cole
(who's said nothing) have expressed a wish to return.
Andrew Swallow
<a_b...@bigfoot.com> writes:
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>> Ok I'm gonna come out and admit it... I had to come back here to the
>> group to figger out how to spell "Straczynski" after 5 unsuccessful
>> attempts :) Wish we could just search for "JMS" :)
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>It's easy... just try to remember it in three parts: Stac-zyn-ski.
>
An advert for Straczynski's novel was on the right hand side of the home page.
Andrew Swallow
Jane E. Nicholson
>On 4 Jun 2000 12:10:40 -0600, Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Of special interest to B5 and Crusade fans...my two unproduced
>> CRUSADE scripts that were written specifically to crank up the
>> overall story arc: "To the Ends of the Earth," which was to be that
>> season's arc jumper a la "The Coming of Shadows," and the *season
>> finale* "End of the Line." These episodes were written but never
>> filmed. For those who want to know what was planned for the rest of
>> the season and where it was going...this is it.
>
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>Great... I guess the thing that strikes me is that EF seems to spend
>most of its time wrapped up in operations where it's covering its own
>ass: the soldiers they experimented on, the whole involvement with the
>shadows. However, it seems like Earth has/had independent groups
>fooling with shadow tech: the Psi Corps on Mars, plus EF on Ganymede
>(the ship they destroyed with the White Star during B5 S3) and EF out
>in the boonies here. And of course the technomages. Are they ever
>going to learn their lesson?
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>OTOH, (speculation here) these EF black project bozos could stumble
>onto the cure for the plague themselves (but then they'd have to
>explain how they got it). Nasty business.
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Nah - they'd just release the cure into the atmosphere (or however you have to
deliver it) and then put out a massive propaganda campaign to say that there
never was a plague in the first place; it was all a plot to discredit the Earth
government and discourage tourism.
Jane
Corun MacAnndra
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> ... http://www.usmint.gov/facts/composition.cfm implies you
> barely sqeaked by. The first Kennedy half dollars were 1964.
> Silver was removed from quarters and dimes in 1965; however,
> Kennedys were 40% silver from 1965 to 1970. I would not call 40%
> silver coins "silver" (like I don't call something 15% juice
> "juice"), but the coin referred to could be a 1964.
Then it most likely was, since I own ten dollars worth of silver Kennedy
halves, given to me as a gift when I was a young teen, and can attest to
there actually being silver Kennedy halves. However, for the record, no
coing minted is 99.9% silver, what is called Fine Silver. They are all
alloys of some sort or another. It's just that the gov't decided to
devalue the coins by electroplating silver over copper cores back in the
mid 60s. They're doing the same now to the "gold" Sakegawea dollars. The
electroplating process is much cheaper on these coins and the gold wears
off and tarnishes too easily. I understand they're being recalled and new
ones with better gold plate are being issued.
Oh, and as for silver, whenever silver is cut with another metal, it's
that metal that causes the silver to tarnish. That's why sterling silver
turns black and needs polishing. Fine silver doesn't tarnish.
Corun
John W. Kennedy
They're doing the same now to the "gold" Sakegawea dollars. The
> electroplating process is much cheaper on these coins and the gold wears
> off and tarnishes too easily. I understand they're being recalled and new
> ones with better gold plate are being issued.
(Sigh!) There is _no_ gold on the Sacajawea dollars, nor is there
supposed to be, and the recall story is an urban myth.
Dave Platt
Corun MacAnndra <co...@clark.net> wrote:
>Then it most likely was, since I own ten dollars worth of silver Kennedy
>halves, given to me as a gift when I was a young teen, and can attest to
>there actually being silver Kennedy halves. However, for the record, no
>coing minted is 99.9% silver, what is called Fine Silver. They are all
>alloys of some sort or another. It's just that the gov't decided to
>devalue the coins by electroplating silver over copper cores back in the
>mid 60s. They're doing the same now to the "gold" Sakegawea dollars. The
>electroplating process is much cheaper on these coins and the gold wears
>off and tarnishes too easily. I understand they're being recalled and new
>ones with better gold plate are being issued.
According to an article I read recently, the "gold" dollar coins have
no gold in them at all. They're a rather complex alloy which (IIRC)
contains nickel, tin, copper, and manganese.
There were some interesting constraints on this alloy. It had to have
a suitably gold-ish color. It had to be reasonably hard and
wear-resistant. And (most difficult of all) it had to have the same
density, and electrical properties as the copper-nickel "sandwich"
construction used in the Susan B. Anthony dollar coins, so that the
new coin would be accepted by vending machines set up for the older
dollar coin.
They had to formulate and test a _lot_ of different alloys before they
got one which worked.
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In <Pine.SOL.4.10.100062...@clark.net>,
Corun MacAnndra <co...@clark.net> wrote:
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> Then it most likely was, since I own ten dollars worth of silver Kennedy
> halves, given to me as a gift when I was a young teen, and can attest to
> there actually being silver Kennedy halves. However, for the record, no
> coing minted is 99.9% silver, what is called Fine Silver. They are all
> alloys of some sort or another. It's just that the gov't decided to
> devalue the coins by electroplating silver over copper cores back in the
> mid 60s. They're doing the same now to the "gold" Sakegawea dollars. The
> electroplating process is much cheaper on these coins and the gold wears
> off and tarnishes too easily. I understand they're being recalled and new
> ones with better gold plate are being issued.
>
Not true; to the best of my knowledge, no "sandwich" coins were made
using any silver alloys. That "silver" stuff slapped on the faces
of the coins is just a cupro-nickel alloy.
U.S. "money" hasn't contained silver ( except for special-run silver
mintings ) since 1963.
Note that the legislation that cut our money loose from direct specie
backing, allowing runaway ( and highly profitable, for the *government* )
inflation dates from the middle of the Kennedy administration, and went
into full effect after LBJ took over.
( The previous gutting of U.S. currency dates from the FDR administration,
when they nationalized gold, and made gold "hoarding" *ILLEGAL*, in
order to get complete control of our nation's specie metal, never mind
that it's none of a government's business to determine what citizens
can and cannot own..... )
Note that, although these attempts to remove untraceable, untaxable specie
currency from the hands of the people came during "Democrat" administrations,
they were supported by enough "Republicans" to get passed into law.
When "money" has no intrinsic, stable value, the only thing that governs
its worth is the amount in circulation; the people who own the printing
presses determine the inflation rate. Thus, the U.S. "Mint" can
increase the amount of currency in circulation, spend the excess before
prices drop, --- and then, when the people discover that prices have
risen and income hasn't, rely on the stupidity of the populace to keep
them from realizing they've just paid Yet Another Tax.... a highly
illegal one.
In <skvbrpk...@corp.supernews.com> dpl...@radagast.org (Dave Platt) writes:
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> According to an article I read recently, the "gold" dollar coins
> have no gold in them at all. They're a rather complex alloy which
> (IIRC) contains nickel, tin, copper, and manganese.
>
Not that complex. And the main consideration has been the *cost* of
the alloy; the U.S. Mint can't afford to mint coins that cost more
than a fraction of a cent, so it has to stay cheap. ( Think of the
zinc pennies with a copper wash on the surface, which became standard
in the early '70's, when the value of copper rose to the point where
they lost money every time they made a "copper" cent. )
If you make money out of SPECIE metal instead of cheap pot metal,
you end up with a stable currency that has a beneficial effect on
society.
But as soon as some politician starts spouting about how, in the
XXth century, money no longer has to be real, you can use that as
a real reliable clue that socialization and confiscation lie close
ahead, and that this is not a politician with any concern for the
rights of the individual.
Remember, the best that Hilly and Billy could propose to let the
government get its hands on more of your money, to pay off the
charge-account lifestyle they'd achieved by inflating our
currency like mad.... was a NEW TAX, the FIFTEEN-PERCENT "HEALTH
TAX" to support an organizations of lawyers and accountants the
nation didn't need and had no use for. ( If you want health
insurance, BUY it. If you don't buy it, and get sick, turn to
charity. But don't expect *ME* to pay for your medical needs via
an organization that will tax me and slurp up 90% of the cash flow
as "operating expenses." We've SEEN Canada's "health service." )
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> There were some interesting constraints on this alloy. It had to
> have a suitably gold-ish color. It had to be reasonably hard and
> wear-resistant. And (most difficult of all) it had to have the same
> density, and electrical properties as the copper-nickel "sandwich"
> construction used in the Susan B. Anthony dollar coins, so that the
> new coin would be accepted by vending machines set up for the older
> dollar coin.
>
And don't forget, after a couple of our "Senators" went ballistic,
they also had to come up with an obverse engraving that was "less
demeaning to the image of American Womanhood" than Lady Liberty.
( I'm not clear on how standing or striding "Liberty" was somehow
"demeaning" to "American Womanhood," but that was the justification
used for deep-sixing some lovely designs. )
I regard the *size* and alloy of the Susan B. Anthony dollar as
an insult to American history, American womanhood, and probably
to Susie B. herself.
( One unsupported source asserts that the size of the SusieBuck was
determined almost solely by the need to facilitate design of
vending machines to recognize and accept SusieBucks. )
I'm not much offended by Sacagawea's appearance on a phony-gold coin;
I'm old enough that I can remember when nickels had Indians on them,
pennies had Indians on them, and no one was bothered by wooden
Indians standing in front of stores. Of course, in those days,
the coins had some actual intrinsic worth.
But it's been a few years, and apparently it's now politically correct
to put heroes and heroines on worthless money.
I never supported putting Abe Lincoln on money, and regret the passing
of the lovely "Flying Eagle" designs that *used* to be on pennies
before the Indian Heads. ( Flying Eagles, 1856, 1857, 1858 (two
versions ) and then the "Indian Head" cents for half a century,
until the Lincoln Heads came in, in 1909. They changed from Wheatbacks
to the Lincoln Memorial Back, around fifty years later. ) I'd be
quite happy to see the Indian Head Cent come back; enough with Herr
Lincoln.
The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the early
1800's right on.
U.S. *PAPER* dollars *used* to say, "The U.S. Mint will pay to the
bearer on demand, one dollar in silver." ( Or something close to
that; it's been a while since I saw one! ) They were SILVER CERTIFICATES,
guaranteed exchangeable for specie metal. Needless to say, we stopped
printing silver certificates nearly four decades back, and opened the
door to double-digit inflation rates by so doing.
Paper money, money with no intrinsic value, is a tool of Great Evil.
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> They had to formulate and test a _lot_ of different alloys before they
> got one which worked.
>
And just think, how much easier it would have been to just coin MONEY
instead of fooling around with value-free colored pot metal.
*mutter*
John W. Kennedy
> U.S. "money" hasn't contained silver ( except for special-run silver
> mintings ) since 1963.
>From www.usmint.gov:
Minting from gold and silver continued well into
this century. It was not until 1933, during the Great
Depression, that the Mint ceased producing gold
coins. A silver crisis caused the replacement of
silver in quarters and dimes in 1965; however, the
half-dollar was composed of 40 percent silver from
1965 to 1970. These coins are now composed of
cupro-nickel clad, with a pure copper core, and an
outer layer of a 75 percent copper, 25 percent
nickel alloy.
I'm a little dubious about that "1965"; I suspect a typo. But the
half-dollar definitely continued in 40% silver for some years.
> Not that complex. And the main consideration has been the *cost* of
> the alloy; the U.S. Mint can't afford to mint coins that cost more
> than a fraction of a cent, so it has to stay cheap. ( Think of the
> zinc pennies with a copper wash on the surface, which became standard
> in the early '70's, when the value of copper rose to the point where
> they lost money every time they made a "copper" cent. )
1982.
> The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the early
> 1800's right on.
A) The exact amount varied from time to time.
B) It was approximately .77 ounce.
> U.S. *PAPER* dollars *used* to say, "The U.S. Mint will pay to the
> bearer on demand, one dollar in silver." ( Or something close to
> that; it's been a while since I saw one! ) They were SILVER CERTIFICATES,
> guaranteed exchangeable for specie metal.
At least from the 50's, Silver Certificates were very rare in
circulation except in the $1 denomination. $1 Federal Reserve Notes and
$1 US Notes also existed, and virtually all the currency in higher
denominations was Federal Reserve Notes.
Corun MacAnndra
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> Corun MacAnndra <co...@clark.net> wrote:
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> > Then it most likely was, since I own ten dollars worth of silver Kennedy
> > halves, given to me as a gift when I was a young teen, and can attest to
> > there actually being silver Kennedy halves. However, for the record, no
> > coing minted is 99.9% silver, what is called Fine Silver. They are all
> > alloys of some sort or another. It's just that the gov't decided to
> > devalue the coins by electroplating silver over copper cores back in the
> > mid 60s. They're doing the same now to the "gold" Sakegawea dollars. The
> > electroplating process is much cheaper on these coins and the gold wears
> > off and tarnishes too easily. I understand they're being recalled and new
> > ones with better gold plate are being issued.
>
> Not true; to the best of my knowledge, no "sandwich" coins were made
> using any silver alloys. That "silver" stuff slapped on the faces
> of the coins is just a cupro-nickel alloy.
Quite correct, my mistake (and probably the same one made by most of the
people in this country). In fact the cladding surrounding the dimes,
quarters and dollars (except Sacagawea) is cupro-nickel.
> U.S. "money" hasn't contained silver ( except for special-run silver
> mintings ) since 1963.
As in the '64 Kennedy halves that started off this conversation.
> > According to an article I read recently, the "gold" dollar coins
> > have no gold in them at all. They're a rather complex alloy which
> > (IIRC) contains nickel, tin, copper, and manganese.
>
> Not that complex.
And according to the US Mint, no tin either. Manganese-brass makes up the
cladding and the rest is copper and zinc. According to the coin
specifications put out by the Mint, the Sacagawea is 88.5% Cu, 6% Zn, 3.5%
Mn and 2% Ni.
> And the main consideration has been the *cost* of
> the alloy; the U.S. Mint can't afford to mint coins that cost more
> than a fraction of a cent, so it has to stay cheap. ( Think of the
> zinc pennies with a copper wash on the surface, which became standard
> in the early '70's, when the value of copper rose to the point where
> they lost money every time they made a "copper" cent. )
And that copper plating is just thick enough that you can hold the coin
over a bunsen burner and melt the Zn inside while only softening the
copper and have a little copper bag of molten zinc.
> If you make money out of SPECIE metal instead of cheap pot metal,
> you end up with a stable currency that has a beneficial effect on
> society.
I remember all those Italian and French coins my father brought back from
his tour of duty with the 488th Bombardment Squadron during WWII (the same
group Joseph Heller was in and about which he wrote Catch 22). I'm not
sure what metal was used, but it was light, making the coin weigh almost
nothing. I'd say aluminum, but that metal was being used in war production
and was hard enough to come by in large enough quatities for that, so it
seems unlikely that any country (especially Italy and France) during that
time would be making coins of it. Anyway, some of the coins were nearly as
large as a US silver dollar, but weighed less than a dime. Very weird.
> I regard the *size* and alloy of the Susan B. Anthony dollar as
> an insult to American history, American womanhood, and probably
> to Susie B. herself.
Agreed. It should have been left at the size of the old dollar coins. Or
at least have done what the Brits did with the Pound (I think it was the
Pound coin) and instead of implying seven sides to the coin, actually make
it seven sided.
Of course I'm vastly amused every time I get a Susie as change for a
dollar instead of a quarter. Nothing like making money on a purchase.
> I never supported putting Abe Lincoln on money, and regret the passing
> of the lovely "Flying Eagle" designs that *used* to be on pennies
> before the Indian Heads. ( Flying Eagles, 1856, 1857, 1858 (two
> versions ) and then the "Indian Head" cents for half a century,
> until the Lincoln Heads came in, in 1909. They changed from Wheatbacks
> to the Lincoln Memorial Back, around fifty years later. ) I'd be
> quite happy to see the Indian Head Cent come back; enough with Herr
> Lincoln.
Got a Wheatback in change not long ago. I always look.
> The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the early
> 1800's right on.
>
> U.S. *PAPER* dollars *used* to say, "The U.S. Mint will pay to the
> bearer on demand, one dollar in silver." ( Or something close to
> that; it's been a while since I saw one! ) They were SILVER CERTIFICATES,
> guaranteed exchangeable for specie metal. Needless to say, we stopped
> printing silver certificates nearly four decades back, and opened the
> door to double-digit inflation rates by so doing.
Got Dad's short snorter with the Silver Certificate signed by everyone he
served with when he finally rotated out after 64 missions. I have to get
that framed one of these days.
Corun
WWS
"John W. Kennedy" wrote:
>
> Gharlane of Eddore wrote:
>
> > U.S. "money" hasn't contained silver ( except for special-run silver
> > mintings ) since 1963.
>
> >From www.usmint.gov:
>
> Minting from gold and silver continued well into
> this century. It was not until 1933, during the Great
> Depression, that the Mint ceased producing gold
> coins. A silver crisis caused the replacement of
> silver in quarters and dimes in 1965; however, the
> half-dollar was composed of 40 percent silver from
> 1965 to 1970. These coins are now composed of
> cupro-nickel clad, with a pure copper core, and an
> outer layer of a 75 percent copper, 25 percent
> nickel alloy.
>
> I'm a little dubious about that "1965"; I suspect a typo. But the
> half-dollar definitely continued in 40% silver for some years.
No, that is exactly correct. Silver coinage from 1964 and earlier is
worth about 3.5 x face, for their bulk silver value alone. (which is
why they all disappeared from circulation long ago) Kennedy halves
dated 1965 - 1970 are worth about 1.5 times face, which is why they
are pretty rare and hard to find these days as well. (these values
fluctuate with the silver market, of course, and are very rough figures)
>
> > Not that complex. And the main consideration has been the *cost* of
> > the alloy; the U.S. Mint can't afford to mint coins that cost more
> > than a fraction of a cent, so it has to stay cheap. ( Think of the
> > zinc pennies with a copper wash on the surface, which became standard
> > in the early '70's, when the value of copper rose to the point where
> > they lost money every time they made a "copper" cent. )
>
> 1982.
Correct again - and in response to one of the previous posters, the
mint has never made a "plated" coin, the clad coinage is actually
a mechanical joining of several different layers of metal with a
high pressure press. The penney is a little different, in that
the mint buys the zinc-copper blanks pre-made from private suppliers
and merely stamps them with it's design.
The mint under Diehl (who's gone on to Zales now) has confused the
issue rather deliberately with the "Golden Dollars", which is purely
a marketing term, and the reason why you will never see the term
"Gold Dollar" which would imply there was actually gold in it. There
is not the faintest scrap of gold anywhere in those, even though they're
quite pretty to look at. (One local woman on teevee when they first
came out was interviewed at the Walmart where she got it and said "Oh
look, Mary and Baby Jesus, how nice!" And some wag has said that the
obverse actually looks like the monster from the Tony Curtis movie
"MANITOU", which is true to a certain extent.)
if you haven't seen it, you can go here:
http://www.usmint.gov/goldendollar/default.htm
Anyway, truth in advertising would have mandated the use of the term
"BRASS BUCK" since that's what it is. They turn kind of a warm brown
with wear. They are fun to spend or use as tips, people always tend
to open their eyes a little. (And fast food checkout types go "I can't
take this cuz I don't have a slot in my drawer for it to fit")
>
> > The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the early
> > 1800's right on.
>
> A) The exact amount varied from time to time.
> B) It was approximately .77 ounce.
Old US standard was 90% silver, and the dollars were close to an oz,
but not quite. Your figure is correct. The trade dollar of the 1800's
was even stamped "420 grains, 900 fine". Someone else can remember
how many grains to the oz there are.
But as far as the comment that "No US silver coinage is done in Silver
anymore, or has ever been .999 fine" - I'm expecting any day now my
2000 silver proof set from the mint, in which the dime, the half, and
all 5 quarters for the year are rendered in 90% silver, the old standard.
Quite beautiful to look at.
And I have sitting on my desk a US coin dated 2000, $1 face value,
weighing 1 oz exactly, .999 fine. It's called an American Eagle,
and they've been made every year since 1986.
There's also been a $5, $10, $25, and $50 gold coins put out by the
mint every year for the last 15 years as well. (since 1986)
It'll cost you considerably more than that to put your hands on
one, though.
>
> > U.S. *PAPER* dollars *used* to say, "The U.S. Mint will pay to the
> > bearer on demand, one dollar in silver." ( Or something close to
> > that; it's been a while since I saw one! ) They were SILVER CERTIFICATES,
> > guaranteed exchangeable for specie metal.
>
> At least from the 50's, Silver Certificates were very rare in
> circulation except in the $1 denomination. $1 Federal Reserve Notes and
> $1 US Notes also existed, and virtually all the currency in higher
> denominations was Federal Reserve Notes.
>
--
_________________________________________________WWS_____________
It may be that your sole purpose in life is
simply to serve as a warning to others.
Simon Lipscomb
>
> Maagic wrote:
> >
> > Ok I'm gonna come out and admit it... I had to come back here to the
> > group to figger out how to spell "Straczynski" after 5 unsuccessful
> > attempts :) Wish we could just search for "JMS" :)
>
> It's easy... just try to remember it in three parts: Stac-zyn-ski.
Oohh, the irony of it all!
Si.
Pål Are Nordal
>
> Pål Are Nordal wrote:
> >
> > It's easy... just try to remember it in three parts: Stac-zyn-ski.
>
Dear Narn Bat Squad,
I hereby request a severe pummelling in light of my arrogance,
misinformation and insult to the great maker. Please give my humble
request a fair shake.
bryan klech
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Pål Are Nordal <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
: Matt Maurano wrote:
:> Also, if the ad at the top distracts you, view the source of the page
:> (In Netscape, CTRL+U), and copy the name of the page for body (after
:> '<frame name"body" src').
: You really shouldn't do that. Ads are what pays for the service, and I
: for one wouldn't feel comfortable cheating jms out of his money.
But, at that point, you've already loaded the advert to get the the page
source to skip the advert.
Besides, there are so many ways that web based advertising pays back that
unless you actually go buy whatever is being advertised, you really can't
be sure that anyone is counting it as a paying ad.
--
-- bryan klech
-- bkl...@goblin.punk.net Don't let the sky stop you!
John W. Kennedy
> No, that is exactly correct. Silver coinage from 1964 and earlier is
> worth about 3.5 x face, for their bulk silver value alone.
'sfunny -- I could have sword the change was in '64.
> (which is
> why they all disappeared from circulation long ago) Kennedy halves
> dated 1965 - 1970 are worth about 1.5 times face, which is why they
> are pretty rare and hard to find these days as well.
Yeah, well, in practice, _all_ Kennedy halves are rare and hard to find,
and always have been.
> > > The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the early
> > > 1800's right on.
> >
> > A) The exact amount varied from time to time.
> > B) It was approximately .77 ounce.
>
> Old US standard was 90% silver, and the dollars were close to an oz,
> but not quite. Your figure is correct. The trade dollar of the 1800's
> was even stamped "420 grains, 900 fine". Someone else can remember
> how many grains to the oz there are.
437.5 grains to the avoirdupois ounce. 480 for apothecaries or troy,
which last, of course, would be the appropriate figure.
John W. Kennedy
> Agreed. It should have been left at the size of the old dollar coins.
Not realistically. The "cartwheel" silver dollar was _never_ a truly
popular coin (popular as a lucky piece or as a gift, but that's not the
same thing), and would be completely impossible to sell to the public
nowadays, especially since the half dollar has practically vanished.
> Or
> at least have done what the Brits did with the Pound (I think it was the
> Pound coin) and instead of implying seven sides to the coin, actually make
> it seven sided.
Oh dear, no. The old pound coin ("sovereign") was always gold, and,
consequently, there had been none in circulation for decades. The 20p,
50p, 1L, and 2L pieces were all designed de-novo. (And the 5p and 10p
pieces, originally the same sizes as the equal-in-value pre-decimal
shilling and florin, have been shrunken in recent years.)
Yes, the Susie and the Sackie should have been seven-sided. Except
that, unfortunately, us 'murcans won't stand for none o' that there
furrin' Monopoly money.
-Valentine,G.J.
John W. Kennedy <jwke...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>WWS wrote:
>> No, that is exactly correct. Silver coinage from 1964 and earlier is
>> worth about 3.5 x face, for their bulk silver value alone.
>
>'sfunny -- I could have sword the change was in '64.
>
>> (which is
Funny, I ran into a silver quarter just the other day. I didn't notice, but
the machine I was trying to insert it into carefully defined it as a slug and
rejected it... Doesn't have the right electrical characteristics. I found it
quite amusing...
Gail Valentine
Timothy A. McDaniel
>to find, and always have been.
I call up my credit union and say "Can I get $200 [or whatever
amount] in half dollars?" and they say "sure" and have it two
days later. But my credit union is good and credit unions tend
to be more accomodating than banks, so, as they say, Your Mileage
May Vary.
--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
"To join the Clueless Club, send a followup to this message quoting everything
up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)
Gharlane of Eddore
About two weeks ago, there was some discussion about U.S. coinage,
wherein I lackwittedly asserted that the U.S. dollar properly
contains one ounce of silver.
This is *NOT* the case, and has been so only rarely; I was confused by
both my own stupidity and the historical pay scale wherein the U.S.
gummint has habitually ( although not always ) paid miners and smelters
a dollar for each ounce of fine silver; and then, as several folks
have pointed out to me, turned around and minted silver dollars
containing in the neighborhood of 3/4 of an ounce of actual silver.
I whacked out the following post on the 22nd of June, and got
interrupted by a major power failure; I'd thought this went out,
but recent checks of archive sites ( while looking for another of
my literary gems ) showed that it hadn't ever propagated.
So here's a copy, just so some concrete information is available
in the thread on the archive sites.
( Derived from information in several numismatic texts and the
on-line info available from the U.S. Mint. )
------ 22nd June '00 ------------
Blathering in full foam about the acute lack of specie metal
in U.S. coinage,
In <8ipbp7$b...@news.csus.edu>
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes:
>
> Not true; to the best of my knowledge, no "sandwich" coins were made
> using any silver alloys. That "silver" stuff slapped on the faces
> of the coins is just a cupro-nickel alloy.
> U.S. "money" hasn't contained silver ( except for special-run silver
> mintings ) since 1963.
> Note that the legislation that cut our money loose from direct specie
> backing, allowing runaway ( and highly profitable, for the *government* )
> inflation dates from the middle of the Kennedy administration, and went
> into full effect after LBJ took over.
> ( The previous gutting of U.S. currency dates from the FDR administration,
> when they nationalized gold, and made gold "hoarding" *ILLEGAL*, in
> order to get complete control of our nation's specie metal, never mind
> that it's none of a government's business to determine what citizens
> can and cannot own..... )
>
Just got this correction in e-mail, posted here with originator's
permission....
- From trail(atat)ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 05:51:05 PDT 2000
- From: Jeff Trestrail <trail(atat)ix.netcom.com>
- Subject: Re: Bab5 usenet coinage remarks
-
- The Kennedy halves from 1965-1970 were a sandwich composition
- containing app. 40% of the silver in the 1964 and prior coins.
I said:
- >
- > The U.S. Dollar stably contained ONE OUNCE OF SILVER, from the
- > early 1800's right on.
- >
In case it's not clear, when I made the above assertion, I was
*completely* out to lunch.
- From trail(atat)ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 05:51:05 PDT 2000
- From: Jeff Trestrail <trail(atat)ix.netcom.com>
- Subject: Re: Bab5 usenet coinage remarks
-
- The US dollar never contained one ounce of silver.
- The amount varied depending on the relative value of
- gold/silver until the US went on a bimetallic system
- in the late 1870's (to appease western mining and
- agricultural interests), when the value of silver
- was fixed at $1.29/oz. That meant that a silver dollar
- contained just over 3/4 oz silver.
-
( There have been a FEW special mintings containing an ounce, but
any silver dollar anyone's likely to encounter in the real world,
you betcha, about 3/4. )
Yep, mea maxima culpa; in actuality.....
In the 1700's, the Spanish Dollar, the then standard, contained
about 374.875 grains of silver.
On 8 Aug, 1786, the Continental Congress ordered that the U.S.
coinage standard should be a ratio of 11:1, specie metal to
alloying agents ( for both gold and silver. ); and that the
U.S. dollar would contain precisely 375.64 grains of silver.
On 2 Apr, 1792, the Mint Act "cheapened" the U.S. dollar by
cutting silver content back to 371.25 grains.
( It also opened a major can of worms by fixing the value
ratio of gold:silver at 1:15. )
They pretty much knocked off minting silver dollars from around
1806 to about 1837, since the overseas flow was huge ( they
were worth more than the Spanish dollars, higher silver content )
On 18 Jan, 1837, a new Act fixed the standard fineness of the
silver dollar at 9:1, silver to alloying agents, and set the
weight of the dollar to 412.5 grains. ( obviously, this meant
the dollar still contained precisely 371.25 grains of silver. )
They stopped minting standard silver dollars in 1873, and
came up with the "trade dollar" for overseas trade use; the
"trade dollar" was 420 grains, and I've been *told* silver
content varied, but have no references.
On 28 Feb, 1878, minting began again, at 412.5 grains total
weight, 371.25 grains silver content. This continued until
the infamous Sherman Act of 1890, which paved the way for
the issuance of "Treasury Notes" to be used in the purchase
of silver for coinage. ( Got that? They used PAPER money
to buy silver, which they minted into money and spent...
thus putting roughly approximately equal amounts of paper
money and silver coinage out, with only the silver money
having actual specie value. ) Fortunately, the purchase
authority was revoked by an Act of Congress, 1 Nov 1893, but
not quite soon enough to head off some inflation/depression
effects.
Post WWI, the Pittman Act ( 23 April 1919 ) authorized the
Mint to melt down about a 350 million bucks' worth of
silver dollars and use the output to make smaller silver
coins, or sell in bullion form. They contrived to peddle
about 275 million worth of the bullion to Great Britain
for ONE DOLLAR PER FINE OUNCE, i.e. per ounce of *silver*...
*plus* "mint charges." ( this was the first major exchange
locking one dollar to one ounce of silver; but not the last. )
The Pittman Act also authorized purchase of more domestic
silver to *replace* the transferred silver. ( Resulting
in another spate of paper money going out to pay for silver,
which was then minted and spent by the government as well.
Note: Market crash in 1929, major depression in the thirties
-- *snicker* ( Nota bene: I've always attributed the
Great Depression more to Income Tax and Prohibition. *grin* ) )
The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 made sure that all "Silver
Certificates" would be redeemed on demand by the Mint.
NOTE:
>From 1920 to 1933, the output of American silver mines
was purchased by the Mint at a rate of ONE DOLLAR PER
FINE OUNCE. ( Again, linkage of one dollar to one ounce
of silver. )
However, the COINAGE, for well over a century, had continued
at 371.25 grains of silver per silver dollar, which means
that one ounce of silver was actually worth about 1.2929+
dollars.... ( this is called "seiniorage," which translates
to "The government gets to counterfeit money, but no one else." )
( They slacked off on minting of silver dollars around '35,
and pretty much discontinued it, due to the depression and
the proliferation of paper money, "silver certificates." )
In 1963 and 1964, changes in the laws resulted in the Mint
deciding not to issue silver dollars any more, although
holders of silver certificates could get their money converted
to specie metal ( in granulated form, typically an envelope
containing gray powder ) at the Mint.
On 23 July 1965, Lyndon Johnson signed the bill removing
silver from the dime and the quarter, and cut way back in
the half dollar. ( It still contained 40% silver from
1965 to 1970. )
On 31 December 1970, Nixon signed the bill that removed all
silver from the dollar. ( It also provided for a "collector"
issue of a bunch of sandwich dollars "clad" in a 40% silver
alloy, apparently to get around all the gripes about silver-
free coins.)
At any rate, presuming you're talking about TROY ounces,
the U.S. dollar has contained close to .773437 ounces of
silver for a good many decades, no matter how much silver
the U.S. gummint expects to be able to *buy* with a dollar.
Figure 3/4 of an ounce of silver per gummint "silver dollar."
Figure I screwed up with my "one ounce" comments.
Just so we have that straight....
WWS
Gharlane of Eddore wrote:
>
>
> At any rate, presuming you're talking about TROY ounces,
> the U.S. dollar has contained close to .773437 ounces of
> silver for a good many decades, no matter how much silver
> the U.S. gummint expects to be able to *buy* with a dollar.
>
> Figure 3/4 of an ounce of silver per gummint "silver dollar."
>
> Figure I screwed up with my "one ounce" comments.
>
> Just so we have that straight....
Since we're setting the record straight here....
If you want to see a nice pic of a coin currently being
produced, you can see one on this page:
http://www.usmint.gov/bullion/silver_proof.cfm
Notice on the back it is stamped with
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
1 OZ FINE SILVER - ONE DOLLAR
And it is .999 fine, btw.
(there's some nice pics on e-bay you might want to lookup
while you're bidding on the Honus Wagner card this weekend)