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SWCOMIC5

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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When Shariden was talking to Franklin and said that Delenn was grey
concil in training if not in fact what did he mean? She had been a member of
the grey concil many years ago. Second at the end of the show when they showed
Vir signing something with a Ranger was the Ranger Zack Allen? It looked like
him. Did he become a Ranger too?


Jms at B5

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>When Shariden was talking to Franklin and said that Delenn was grey
>concil in training if not in fact what did he mean?

That she had been trained as Grey Council, and that even though she was no
longer a member of the Council, hence not a member in fact anymore, that
training was still much in evidence.

>Vir signing something with a Ranger was the Ranger Zack Allen?

It was Zack but he wasn't a Ranger, he was an advisor/counselor to the throne.

jms

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Steve Brinich

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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SWCOMIC5 wrote:

> Second at the end of the show when they showed Vir signing


> something with a Ranger was the Ranger Zack Allen? It looked like
> him. Did he become a Ranger too?

The implication is that Zack is some sort of court advisor (not a
Ranger, though -- an easy mistake, since he seems to be wearing *some*
sort of pin on the left breast, but if you look closely you'll see that
it's not a Ranger insignia).

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Kevin Spencer

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Dec 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/21/99
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Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >When Shariden was talking to Franklin and said that Delenn was grey
> >concil in training if not in fact what did he mean?
>
> That she had been trained as Grey Council, and that even though she was no
> longer a member of the Council, hence not a member in fact anymore, that
> training was still much in evidence.

Did Delenn ever tell him of the full extent of her involvement in the
Earth-Minbar war?

Thanks,
Kevin


Shaz

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Dec 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/22/99
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"Kevin Spencer" <kspe...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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I can't remember the title of the original reply to this, so you'll have to
forgive my paraphrasing, but I think it went something like this:

*******************************
'I went out and got the cat cleaned, and sent Lennier for some more candles,
you know how we're always running out, oh and by the way, did I tell you I
was responsible for killing several thousand of your best friends and
companions? Pass the sugar.'

She'll never tell him, because what would be the point? Apart from to ruin
what they have.

********************************

If anyone can find the original post I'd be grateful, but that was pretty
well how it went from jms. Personally, I think there ARE ways the story
could be told, and while I'm sure Sheridan would be upset at first, it would
probably be no more than she'd be upset when he tried to explain that piece
of the Black Star Ivanova gave him as a present. She was caught up in events
and feelings over which, at the start, she had no control. Humans tend to
react in the same way when someone hurts something they love for
(apparently) no reason, and I'm sure he could work out that there's a
certain inertia that kicks in after a while that would be hard to stop. Yet
stop it they did, eventually, and in the face of those who would have
finished it in a far more devastating manner. In any case, when the man
you're married to is the President and you, yourself, have no small place on
your homeworld, there's bound to be some news hungry tabloid jerk or
blackmailer who would seek out the truth and present it to them in the hopes
of stirring up trouble. In twenty years I find it hard to believe no one
ever did that because I'm sure one or both of them would have annoyed
someone sufficiently to have that raked up and slammed in their faces.
Delenn might not have told him, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised to
find out that he knew.

Shaz


Kerry Casey

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Dec 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/30/99
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Shaz wrote in message <83pssh$3rh$1...@lure.pipex.net>...

>
>I can't remember the title of the original reply to this, so you'll have to
>forgive my paraphrasing, but I think it went something like this:
>
>*******************************
>'I went out and got the cat cleaned, and sent Lennier for some more
candles,
>you know how we're always running out, oh and by the way, did I tell you I
>was responsible for killing several thousand of your best friends and
>companions? Pass the sugar.'
>
>She'll never tell him, because what would be the point? Apart from to ruin
>what they have.
>
>********************************
>
>If anyone can find the original post I'd be grateful, but that was pretty
>well how it went from jms.

The Lurker's Guide for the season four episode "Atonement" at
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/075.html has:

Won't Sheridan be upset when he finds out Delenn ordered the war?
"Listen, honey, while you were out I went to the store and I bought some new
candles, you know how we're always running out, and Lennier took the cat in
to be cleaned, and oh, did I mention I was directly responsible for the
deaths of two hundred and fifty thousand of your best friends and fellow
officers? Pass the sugar."
She'll never tell him.

Because it's over...what would be the point, except to ruin what they have
now.


A search on the site for store and cat gives:

JMS CompuServe postings
An index of jms's daily postings to CompuServe
Delenn and the Truth (10 Mar 1997 16:25:30 -0700)
Score: 1000 Size: 1086

Delenn and the Truth
Date: 10 Mar 1997 16:25:30 -0700
Scott Baker <76072...@compuserve.com> asks:
> Why didn't Delenn tell John the truth about her trip to Minbar,
> and won't John be slightly ticked off when he finds out the
> truth?

"Listen, honey, while you were out I went to the store and I
bought some new candles, you know how we're always running out, and
Lennier took the cat in to be cleaned, and oh, did I mention I was
directly responsible for the deaths of two hundred and fifty thousand
of your best friends and fellow officers? Pass the sugar."

She'll never tell him.

Because it's over...what would be the point, except to ruin what
they have now.

jms


Does this help?

Kerry

Kerry Casey
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Email: kca...@bom.gov.au


Moyra J. Bligh

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Dec 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/30/99
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On 20 Dec 1999 19:47:58 -0700, swco...@aol.com (SWCOMIC5) wrote:

> When Shariden was talking to Franklin and said that Delenn was grey

>concil in training if not in fact what did he mean? She had been a member of
>the grey concil many years ago.

That although she was no longer actually a member of the grey council,
she had all of her grey council training to fall back on.

>Second at the end of the show when they showed
>Vir signing something with a Ranger was the Ranger Zack Allen? It looked like
>him. Did he become a Ranger too?

I didn't think that was Ranger attire. But I do think that Zack was
definitely working with or for Vir by that time.

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Jon Niehof

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Dec 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/30/99
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> When Shariden was talking to Franklin and said
> that Delenn was grey concil in training if not in fact
> what did he mean?
"Despite the fact that she is no longer technically a member
of the grey council, she still possesses the strength of
will one would expect from a member of that group, due to
her training for that position."

> Second at the end of the show when they showed Vir
> signing something with a Ranger was the Ranger Zack
> Allen? It looked like him. Did he become a Ranger too?

>From the episode guide at Midwinter:
(http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/110.html)
Zack retired from the military and went back to Earth. Then,
years later, he re-upped and returned to the station,
where he stayed until its demise. Afterward, he joined
Vir (now Emperor of the Centauri) on Centauri Prime.

It would appear that Zack joined the Rangers after the
destruction of the station and was assigned as counsel o Vir
on Centauri Prime.

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ATN082268

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Gharlane of Eddore

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jms signed a post thus:
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In <19991227205255...@ng-fi1.aol.com>


atn0...@aol.com (ATN082268) writes:
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> Why is permission specifically denied to SFX magazine?
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Ah. Therein lies a tale.

Perhaps it would be better to merely bear in mind that JMS does not
care to be quoted in, discussed by, or referenced by, that publication?

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