What's that Irish Poem again? (No Compromises on TNT)
To...@fred.net
able to tell the difference?
Unless I missed it, TNT cut the "We Are One" scene.
*sigh*
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Damien Ryan
> .... about knowing what can ge changed and what cannot be changed and being
> able to tell the difference?
God grant me the courage to change what can be changed,
The serenety to accept what cannot,
And the wisdom the know the difference.
I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
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Shaz
"Damien Ryan" <dr...@iona.com> wrote in message
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> To...@Fred.Net wrote:
>
> > .... about knowing what can ge changed and what cannot be changed and
being
> > able to tell the difference?
>
> God grant me the courage to change what can be changed,
> The serenety to accept what cannot,
> And the wisdom the know the difference.
>
> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
It's called The Serenity Prayer:
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
And the wisdom to know the difference.
(And no, I'm not an alcoholic. Appearances to the contrary at conventions
notwithstanding!)
Shaz
Jms at B5
>
>It's called The Serenity Prayer:
>
>
And it never appeared in the show.
jms
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Shaz
"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> >
> >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> >
> >
>
> And it never appeared in the show.
>jms
I must admit that when I replied I didn't actually take note of the title of
the post, merely the question within that I was able to answer. Maybe I
ought to re-watch the episode to see where the questioner was coming from.
Now you've said that, however, I guess it says something about Garibaldi.
Serenity about those aspects of his fate he cannot change is hardly
something he had in spades. In fact, serenity in that regard is something
none of the characters possess. And time and again they find out that what
many may have deemed unchangeable can be changed if you're determined
enough. I guess it's a matter of spotting what can be changed. Apparently,
the answer seems to be anything you put your mind to.
Large measure of Sartre's existentialist philosophy in there, I think.
Shaz <whose knowledge of the serenity prayer never came from TV, though
that's certainly a more pleasant way by which to learn it.>
Iain Rae
> "Damien Ryan" <dr...@iona.com> wrote in message
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>> To...@Fred.Net wrote:
>>
>> > .... about knowing what can ge changed and what cannot be changed and
> being
>> > able to tell the difference?
>>
>> God grant me the courage to change what can be changed,
>> The serenety to accept what cannot,
>> And the wisdom the know the difference.
>>
>> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
> Courage to change the things I can
> And the wisdom to know the difference.
And of course the tech support version:
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I cannot accept
and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill today
because they pissed me off
and also help me to be careful of the toes I step on today
as they may be connected to the ass that I may have to kiss tomorrow.
M.E. Tonkin
Jms at B5 wrote:
> >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> >
> >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> >
> >
>
> And it never appeared in the show.
>
And it's not Irish, either. It was written by Reinhold Niebuhr,
not exactly a Gaelic name. :-)
MET
Alyson L. Abramowitz
Jms at B5 wrote:
>
> >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> >
> >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> >
> >
>
> And it never appeared in the show.
I always thought it was a Christian psalm or prayer. AA certainly did
not write it. The second stanza, which is not typically used at AA
meetings, is fairly Christian in nature. This prayer is actually one of
the reasons why non-Christians sometimes have problems with AA.
While the Serenity Prayer is not associated with B5, I've always
associated it with ST. I vaguely seem to remember it was a favorite of
Roddenberry's though I don't recall it ever being in a ST episode. I'm
pretty sure that is where I heard it as a kid.
Best,
Alyson
Matthew B. Vincent
>I always thought it was a Christian psalm or prayer.
(Re: the serenity prayer).
I thought it came from ancient China, like in the time of Confucius. He also
wrote that "the essence of knowledge is having it to apply it".
>AA certainly did not write it.
Yeah, AA is pretty recent, since about 1930 or so IIRC.
>The second stanza, which is not typically used at AA
>meetings, is fairly Christian in nature. This prayer is actually one of
>the reasons why non-Christians sometimes have problems with AA.
>From what I've heard of AA meetings, the whole twelve step program is also
too structured and narrow to provide someone with a model for their recovery.
It's best function seems to be as something to cling onto for someone who
feels that their life is a mess at present. The rigid nature of the program
seems to almost be replacing a physical addiction with a spiritual or
psychological one.
Matthew
Damien Ryan
> >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> >
> >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> >
> >
>
> And it never appeared in the show.
That never stopped something from being posted here before ;)
M.E. Tonkin
"Alyson L. Abramowitz" wrote:
> Jms at B5 wrote:
> >
> > >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> > >
> > >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > And it never appeared in the show.
>
> I always thought it was a Christian psalm or prayer. AA certainly did
> not write it. The second stanza, which is not typically used at AA
> meetings, is fairly Christian in nature. This prayer is actually one of
> the reasons why non-Christians sometimes have problems with AA.
Alyson and I got into an off list discussion about this, which led
to a web search that turned up the information that although both
Bartlett's and The Oxford Book of Prayer list Niebuhr as the author
of this prayer, it may be much older than that, originating with an
18th century German theologian. See the following urls for
more info on the Serenity Prayer, which Alyson suggested I
post.
http://open-mind.org/Serenity.htm
http://lalaland.cl.msu.edu/~vanhoose/quotes/0005.html
http://www.skdesigns.com/internet/articles/prose/serenity.html
MET
To...@fred.net
:>> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
:>
:>It's called The Serenity Prayer:
:>
:>
: And it never appeared in the show.
/me points to the well-earned welts from the Narn Bat Squad.
A quick check on the Lurker's Guide confirmed it, and it was there in
Paragon of Animals.
Mea culpa.
To...@fred.net
: Jms at B5 wrote:
:> >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
:> >
:> >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
:> >
:> >
:>
:> And it never appeared in the show.
: That never stopped something from being posted here before ;)
Oh, not the Serenity Prayer. It never made any B5 ep.
I was looking for Fundamental Declaration of Rights V. 2.0
(Of course 3.0 was better, John & Delenn -- it's backward compatible with
Win95 and MacOs)
Jerome
"Matthew B. Vincent" wrote:
> From what I've heard of AA meetings, the whole twelve step program is also
> too structured and narrow to provide someone with a model for their recovery.
> It's best function seems to be as something to cling onto for someone who
> feels that their life is a mess at present. The rigid nature of the program
> seems to almost be replacing a physical addiction with a spiritual or
> psychological one.
Define for us your vision of the problems with spiritual and/or phsychological addiction... especially in light of the ramifications of a physical one.
George Missonis
> Define for us your vision of the problems with spiritual and/or phsychological addiction... especially in light of the ramifications of a physical one.
Many people who have addictive personalities replace one addiction with another--
the people who give up smoking and then overeat. In the religious world, people who lose faith in one religion often become zealots of another. Or
children who rebel against their parents and become the negative image of them, rather than free. Or the addicts who become addicted to methadone
(addictive, just not fun).
Someone once said, "The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference."
religion1 --> religion2 OR agnostic
love --> hate OR indifference
radical --> conservative OR apolitical
substance addict --> 12-step addict OR find a life beyond addiction
Ken Mitchell
theologian.
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M.E. Tonkin <met...@erols.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Alyson L. Abramowitz" wrote:
>
> > Jms at B5 wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I'm paraphrasing it here but it's commonly a prayer for alcoholics.
> > > >
> > > >It's called The Serenity Prayer:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > And it never appeared in the show.
> >
Jerome
George Missonis wrote:
> Many people who have addictive personalities replace one addiction with another--
> the people who give up smoking and then overeat. In the religious world, people who lose faith in one religion often become zealots of another. Or
> children who rebel against their parents and become the negative image of them, rather than free. Or the addicts who become addicted to methadone
> (addictive, just not fun).
>
> Someone once said, "The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference."
You're right in what you say.
But offtimes I see that many "spiritual" and "psychological" addictions aren't all that harmful. Surely, they may not be the BEST way to live, but often the only difference between such addictions and adherence to "normal" values and lifestyles are that "normal" values are accepted. But often people are every bit as absorbed in their "normal" lives as the "addicts" are in their addictions. As long as the excesses are not HARMFUL excesses, who's to criticize?
d...@gradenko.housenet.org
In the epilogue, I think.
Dave