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DANIEL MORRIS

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Dec 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/2/99
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Hi, Joe. To start with, thanks for the stories.

I do not visit SFC's site myself, but I received an e-mail pointing me to a
neat little B5 section on their site. It's no Lurker's guide, but I see it
as promising. Perhaps SFC is considering the addition of B5 to it's lineup?
Perhaps testing us to see how many hits on the site? Any words of wisdom?
Insider information? Please?

Just in case the URL is...
http://www.scifi.com/babylon5/index.html

Danny


Tammy Smith

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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I checked it out, thinking it might be the UK SFC site, since they had
B5 at one time (I'm not sure if they still air it). As far as I can
tell, it's the US site. Interesting. I hope they are doing this
because they plan to pick B5 up (& maybe even Crusade). I hate that
timeslot on TNT--I hardly see B5 anymore! I hope SFC will put it on at
a better time so I can watch the reruns again.

Tammy

Ryan Bloom

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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On 2 Dec 1999 23:28:00 -0700, "DANIEL MORRIS" <PUTE...@prodigy.net>
wrote:

That's the UK's Sci-fi Babylon 5 site, not the United States'

Unfortunately, B5 is still gonna be on TNT for a while :-)

JMiles1005

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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>From: gka...@webtv.net (Tammy Smith)

The UK site is still there. It is interesting that SciFi would devote two
seperate sites to B5, when they only air the show on their European feed.

Miles


Brian Stinson

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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Judging from references in the FAQ section, this appears to be relevant only
to SCI-FI Europe. Sorry to deliver bad news, I was pretty excited by this
post myself.

DANIEL MORRIS <PUTE...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Tammy Smith

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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Well, there goes that bit of hope. Oh, well. :(

Tammy

Angela Hays

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Dec 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/3/99
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I think the UK suggestion is probably accurate. The site has a downloadable
Claudia Christian promo there. I've never seen it before but it promotes
"Uncut" B-5 episodes starting "3rd August". Considering they put the day
before the month (instead of "August 3rd"), I'm inclined to believe it's for
the other side of the pond too.

Angela


DANIEL MORRIS

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Dec 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/4/99
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<SNIP>

> Judging from references in the FAQ section, this appears to be relevant
only
> to SCI-FI Europe. Sorry to deliver bad news, I was pretty excited by this
> post myself.
<SNIP>

Duh! Sorry, folks for getting everyone's hopes up for naught... Should've
looked at the whole site before posting here. Many apologies.

Danny


Andrew Wendel

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Dec 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/8/99
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Ryan Bloom <rbl...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> On 2 Dec 1999 23:28:00 -0700, "DANIEL MORRIS" <PUTE...@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> That's the UK's Sci-fi Babylon 5 site, not the United States'
>
> Unfortunately, B5 is still gonna be on TNT for a while :-)

Why? TNT broke contract by not finishing the season. Why does it have to stay
on their network?

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bev1...@ecn.ab.ca

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Dec 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/11/99
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Andrew Wendel (blind...@iname.com) wrote:

: Ryan Bloom <rbl...@erols.com> wrote in message


: news:3847c35f...@news.erols.com...
: > On 2 Dec 1999 23:28:00 -0700, "DANIEL MORRIS" <PUTE...@prodigy.net>
: > wrote:
: >
: > That's the UK's Sci-fi Babylon 5 site, not the United States'
: >
: > Unfortunately, B5 is still gonna be on TNT for a while :-)

: Why? TNT broke contract by not finishing the season. Why does it have to stay
: on their network?

Production of *Crusade* was stopped mid-season, not B5. Babylon 5 was
completed, and TNT has the rerun rights until 2001. They have the right to
broadcast it till then.

Bev
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Andrew Wendel

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Dec 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/11/99
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<bev1...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:38520...@ecn.ab.ca...

> Andrew Wendel (blind...@iname.com) wrote:
>
> : Ryan Bloom <rbl...@erols.com> wrote in message
> : news:3847c35f...@news.erols.com...
> : > On 2 Dec 1999 23:28:00 -0700, "DANIEL MORRIS" <PUTE...@prodigy.net>
> : > wrote:
> : >
> : > That's the UK's Sci-fi Babylon 5 site, not the United States'
> : >
> : > Unfortunately, B5 is still gonna be on TNT for a while :-)
>
> : Why? TNT broke contract by not finishing the season. Why does it have to
stay
> : on their network?
>
> Production of *Crusade* was stopped mid-season, not B5. Babylon 5 was
> completed, and TNT has the rerun rights until 2001. They have the right to
> broadcast it till then.
>
> Bev

Yes, but stopping Crusade was a breach of contract with WB. Why doesn't WB yank
B5? The shows might be different, but the owner and broadcaster are the same.

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Mark Maher

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Dec 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/11/99
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Andrew Wendel wrote in message ...

><bev1...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:38520...@ecn.ab.ca...
>> Andrew Wendel (blind...@iname.com) wrote:
>>
>> : Ryan Bloom <rbl...@erols.com> wrote in message
>> : news:3847c35f...@news.erols.com...
>> : > On 2 Dec 1999 23:28:00 -0700, "DANIEL MORRIS" <PUTE...@prodigy.net>
>> : > wrote:
>> : >
>> : > That's the UK's Sci-fi Babylon 5 site, not the United States'
>> : >
>> : > Unfortunately, B5 is still gonna be on TNT for a while :-)
>>
>> : Why? TNT broke contract by not finishing the season. Why does it have to
>stay
>> : on their network?
>>
>> Production of *Crusade* was stopped mid-season, not B5. Babylon 5 was
>> completed, and TNT has the rerun rights until 2001. They have the right to
>> broadcast it till then.
>>
>> Bev
>
>Yes, but stopping Crusade was a breach of contract with WB. Why doesn't WB
yank
>B5? The shows might be different, but the owner and broadcaster are the same.
>


Actually they are not one and the same. They are on opposite sides of the merger
deal between Turner and Time-Warner. TNT will retain the broadcast rights for
the same reason that they got away with breaking the contract in the first
place - Ted Turner is the top stockholder in Time-Warner. Warner Brothers
Domestic Television isn't about to pull back Babylon 5 any more than they would
risk suing TNT for breach of contract. JMS himself posted that there a huge
power struggle going on between Turner and WB over control and *no one* wants to
be on the wrong side when the smoke clears.

__!_!__
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Jms at B5

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Dec 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/11/99
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>Yes, but stopping Crusade was a breach of contract with WB. Why doesn't WB
>yank
>B5? The shows might be different, but the owner and broadcaster are the
>same.

You can't apply one situation against another; their license on B5 is solid and
by contract until the end of 2001 or thereabouts. To pull B5 would breach WB's
contract with TNT, and they would be liable.

jms

(jms...@aol.com)
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http://www.thestation.com

Shane D. Killian

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Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
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In article <19991211205040...@ng-bh1.aol.com>,

jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>
> You can't apply one situation against another; their license on B5 is
> solid and by contract until the end of 2001 or thereabouts. To pull
> B5 would breach WB's contract with TNT, and they would be liable.
>
> jms
>
Well, I think legally since TNT broke their contract with Crusade, WB
might be able to use as a legal argument that they no longer have a
good faith relationship, but this would probably entail suing TNT first
for breaking the Crusade contract, *then* trying to nullify the B5
contract. It'd be long, messy, and expensive, and would probably last
past 2001 anyway.

Much cheaper and easier to just wait until the contract ends, methinks.

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Daniel Morris

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Dec 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/12/99
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<Snip>

> Yes, but stopping Crusade was a breach of contract with WB. Why doesn't
WB yank
> B5? The shows might be different, but the owner and broadcaster are the
same.
<Snip>

We're back to the problem of Warners not wanting to sue itself...

TNT is part of Time-Warner, so is Warner Brothers televison. Thus the
breach of conrtact would require two arms of the same company to sue each
other. No one wants to pay that many lawyers for that much time over one
show that is still making money in the 'family' so to speak. As JMS said,
it is a disfunctional family at best.

Danny


Diane K De

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Dec 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/13/99
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>From: "Shane D. Killian" <sha...@vnet.net>
>Date: Sun, 12 December 1999 11:00 AM
>In article <19991211205040...@ng-bh1.aol.com>,
> jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>>
>> You can't apply one situation against another; their license on B5 is
>> solid and by contract until the end of 2001 or thereabouts. To pull
>> B5 would breach WB's contract with TNT, and they would be liable.
>>
>> jms
>>
>Well, I think legally since TNT broke their contract with Crusade, WB
>might be able to use as a legal argument that they no longer have a
>good faith relationship, but this would probably entail suing TNT first
>for breaking the Crusade contract, *then* trying to nullify the B5
>contract. It'd be long, messy, and expensive, and would probably last
>past 2001 anyway.
>
>Much cheaper and easier to just wait until the contract ends, methinks.
>
>--
>Shane D. Killian

When a network purchases the rights to a show, they pay a license fee. If TNT
is paid up or staying on schedule for these payments for B5 (I don't know how
the payments are worked out), I still don't see any legal grounds for them to
stand on.

They are still two seperate contracts.

Besides, WB is trying to sell new programs to TNT. Regardless of their
corporate siblinghood, what good would it be to anger a potential buyer of your
future programs?

What's the phrase in retailing and the restaurant business? "The customer's
always right." Even if the customer IS wrong.

DD


Justin Bacon

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Dec 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/13/99
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In article <s54ssd...@corp.supernews.com>, "Andrew Wendel"
<blind...@iname.com> writes:

>Yes, but stopping Crusade was a breach of contract with WB. Why doesn't WB
>yank
>B5? The shows might be different, but the owner and broadcaster are the same.

1. You assume that WB has something to do with those rerun rights (i.e., that
someone else is interested in rerunning the show). I don't know if that's a
particularly safe assumption.
2. You assume that TNT *did* breach their contract (I haven't actually seen the
contract, so I'm not in a position to judge) and that, further, that gives WB a
legal right to breach a completely separate contract.
3. WB and TNT are both part of the same corporate heirarchy. There's really no
motivation to sueing yourself.

Justin Bacon
tr...@prairie.lakes.com


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