Lemme explain, 'cause this stuff just saved my ass.
Flumadine has to be taken within 48 hours of contracting the flu, which I just
recently got. (After you've had pneumonia, as I did about a year and a half
ago, it makes you much more susceptible to flu and upper respiratory infections
and the like...and I'm susceptible to begin with, you can set your flu-calendar
by me).
What does it do? It's a prescription drug that produces an enzyme that blocks
reproduction of the virus. So what you have in the first 48 hours is all you
have, and those die off in time. The result is that your symptoms are cut by
about 50%, and the duration can be similalry cut.
It's only been out for about a year, so most folks don't know about it...even
most of the staff at the medical center didn't know about it, though the doctor
was familiar with it. I figured, having gotten the flu, I didn't have anything
to lose by taking a shot.
And sonuvagun...it worked.
So I commend it to you heartily. Just remember, though: if you think you're
getting the flu, you *have* to get it within the first 48 hours or it won't be
effective.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com
And you may feel like s**t for 24 hours, but it's worth it. Now, the
pneumovaccine *really* makes you feel rough for 48 hours, but it beats six
weeks pneumonia!
Ali
With my Sweetie's advice, anyone working in close proximity (i.e. Tech
Suppoort) should get flu and cold virus protection. You can pick it up
*SO* easily.
--
To...@Fred.Net http://www.fred.net/tomr
* "Faith Manages...... But Willow is in Tech Support"
Mary Kay Bergman 1961-1999
Tammy
In article <19991127021430...@ng-ba1.aol.com>,
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
> Flumadine. You've never heard of flumadine?
> Lemme explain, 'cause this stuff just saved my ass.
> Flumadine has to be taken within 48 hours of contracting the flu, which I just
> recently got. (After you've had pneumonia, as I did about a year and a half
> ago, it makes you much more susceptible to flu and upper respiratory
infections
> and the like...and I'm susceptible to begin with, you can set your
flu-calendar
> by me).
[...]
> And sonuvagun...it worked.
> So I commend it to you heartily.
Thanks, it sounds good. My recommendation is to get annual flu shots. I've
found them to be very helpful when one works with the public. (I kept
getting colds each time I worked in a certain library's children's
section, and learned to wash my hands a few times during my work day.
Let's not even get into the case of the kid who barfed on the circulation
desk!) It also might be wise to get a long-lasting pneumonia vaccine.
Respiratory problems can eventually turn into asthma. This is disturbing
me lately with particular force, because a friend died of a massive asthma
attack, and my mother's lung problems from pneumonia and other sicknesses
have worsened with age, and now she's developed asthma (or chronic
breathlessness that seems like asthma).
Lately, the American Lung Association's motto, "When (If?) You Can't
Breathe, Nothing Else Matters", has had special meaning for me.
So, Joe, *take care* of yourself, man, and stop scaring us...
For those in the beyond 48 hours zone Iain recommends about 1/4-1/2 a bottle
of The Macallan, you still get the symptoms but you don't care anymore :)
Whoa... thanks for the recommendation, but... if it helps any, try to get
annual flu shots. That's what I've done, for years, because I work with the
public. (I have this disgruntled memory of getting colds *every* time I
handled a lot of children's books in a certain library -- yes, I learned to
wash my hands regularly during my work hours after that. I shouldn't even
mention incidents like a child barfing on the circulation desk--!)
Pneumonia and flu and all these assaults on the respiratory system can turn
into asthma, and a friend died of a massive asthma attack. My mother's
developed severe lung problems as she's aged; bouts of pneumonia and the
like have turned into asthma. So just *take care* of yourself, man, and
don't be scaring us regularly... :-/
I get a flu shot every year and that never happens -- I do get the sore
arm, but really it's not *that* sore and it is only for a day or two.
--
David Goldfarb <*>| "When the cat calls at midnight, your shorts
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | will ignite."
aste...@slip.net |
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- J. Michael Straczynski
It seems to vary like mad - my parents have no reaction at all. <shrug>
Ali
Ja>>So I commend it to you heartily. Just remember, though: if you
Ja>>think you're getting the flu, you *have* to get it within the first
Ja>>48 hours or it won't be effective.
>Thanks Joe! I'll remember that.
>Meanwhile, I recommend flu shots to the populace at large, but if you get
>one be sure you're not alergic to egg whites, because they culture them in
>eggs. (Which is why my daughter can't have 'em.) Warning; your arm will
>probably be sore for a couple of days.
>
You must also make sure that you are not allergic/intolerant with
Thimerosol. (sp?) I tried a flu shot back in 1994 and spent nearly a
week in bed due to an allergic/intolerant reaction. Thimerosol is also
used in many contact solutions, which thankfully, I didn't have to find out
about the hard way.
"Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite.
Zathras is finite. This.. is wrong tool." -Zathras
>Flumadine. You've never heard of flumadine?
Joe, you wouldn't have the US generic name for that, would you?
Best! -- Diane
Diane Duane / The Owl Springs Partnership
County Wicklow, Ireland
http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~owls/index2.html
In Australia there is also "Symmetrel", generic name "Amantadine" for
Influenza A prophylaxis (& Parkinsonism); don't know how effective it is,
however.
My wife & I have yearly inflenza "shots".
--
David Barnett
:
I think this is known in Australia as "Relenza" (brand name, the generic
name being "Zanamivir") $62.50 a pack (Australian dollars).
--
David Barnett
--
Take Care,
Sandra
"Nothing happens in contradiction of nature only in contradiction to what we
know of it." - Scully, Herrenvolk
"But the heart does not recognize boundaries on a map, or wars, or political
policies. The heart does as the heart does." - Delenn, The Illusion of
Truth, Babylon 5
<To...@Fred.Net> wrote in message news:L4x04.195$kU6.1...@news.abs.net...
Tell that to the millions who died in the great flu epidemic that over-ran
europe after WW2. Real 'flu (as opposed to a severe head cold which people
tend to call 'flu) can kill. It can certainly do severe damage as
temperatures soar to over 105 F (110 and you're usually dead). Brain damage
is certainly a strong possibility.
I had the real 'flu once in my life with a temperature maxing out at *just*
over 105. I never want to feel that level of pain again. Any sensory input,
be it light, sound or touch (even from lying on the bed) hurt like hell. One
day of near delirium and then it broke (thank god!). I'll take the flu
jabs, thanks.
Now bad colds are a pain and they leave you feeling pretty rotten, but
they're not real influenza. And there I agree with you. Better to build up
the antibodies on the whole.
> immune system. I'm not doctor or biologists but I do know we have
natural
> defenses to virus which get they are and the less susceptible you become
to
> the flu. That's not to say flu shots shouldn't be used at all but I think
> in special cases like with older people where a flu is far more serious
than
> for most of us. But for the rest of use I suggest more natural ways such
as
> garlic either loading up when you feel the onset of one or generally
> inducing it in your diet or in pill form is very good for staving of the
> flu. I suppose I shouldn't talk because I don't get the flu that often
and
> usually not a serious case I went through 5 years of university living in
> dorms without ever having to miss a class for the flu. I did have it a
> couple times but my biggest problem was trouble sleeping at night due to
> stuffed up nose when sleep is just what i needed but I was well enough to
> continue going to class. Then again I am not the type to stay out of
class
> unless I was pretty darn sick even if the class was relatively unimportant
> but that wasn't the case. Mostly just some annoying congestion and a
touch
> more tired than usual.
That's a cold. You've never had the 'flu, trust me!
Shaz
Shaz wrote:
> "Sandra Bursey" <sandra...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:38597...@209.128.1.3...
> > Well I seem to be in a minority but personally I find use of flu shots for
> > the general population overreacting. Flu generally won't kill you and
> what
> > doesn't kill you makes you stronger so to speak I think this applies to
> our
>
> Tell that to the millions who died in the great flu epidemic that over-ran
> europe after WW2. Real 'flu (as opposed to a severe head cold which people
> tend to call 'flu) can kill. It can certainly do severe damage as
> temperatures soar to over 105 F (110 and you're usually dead). Brain damage
> is certainly a strong possibility.
>
It was at the end of World War I that the flu pandemic occurred, I think
killing more people than the war did. Shaz, I agree with your posting;
Ms Bursey has apparently never had genuine flu.
MET
>Tell that to the millions who died in the great flu epidemic that over-ran
>europe after WW2. Real 'flu (as opposed to a severe head cold which people
>tend to call 'flu) can kill. It can certainly do severe damage as
>temperatures soar to over 105 F (110 and you're usually dead). Brain damage
>is certainly a strong possibility.
And pneumonia, which I developed after flu in 1992. Off work for six weeks,
lousy for a further three and left with long term lung damage. That, btw,
was with 2000 mcg of Tetracycline a day for a month. My best friend has no
spleen, and pneumonia, even with antibiotics would almost certainly be
fatal. She has shots.
>
>I had the real 'flu once in my life with a temperature maxing out at *just*
>over 105. I never want to feel that level of pain again. Any sensory input,
>be it light, sound or touch (even from lying on the bed) hurt like hell.
One
>day of near delirium and then it broke (thank god!). I'll take the flu
>jabs, thanks.
>
That was a short one! :) You can't eat, either.
>
>That's a cold. You've never had the 'flu, trust me!
>
Yup.
Ali
Yep. My grandfather's first wife and her children died in that one.
Ali
>
>"Sandra Bursey" <sandra...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:38597...@209.128.1.3...
>> Well I seem to be in a minority but personally I find use of flu shots for
>> the general population overreacting. Flu generally won't kill you and
>what
>> doesn't kill you makes you stronger so to speak I think this applies to
>our
>
>Tell that to the millions who died in the great flu epidemic that over-ran
>europe after WW2. Real 'flu (as opposed to a severe head cold which people
>tend to call 'flu) can kill. It can certainly do severe damage as
>temperatures soar to over 105 F (110 and you're usually dead). Brain damage
>is certainly a strong possibility.
>
Actually (as has been pointed out, it was after WWI, during which
millions died.
No offense intended to Ms Bursey, but from the tenor of the post, she
seems to think flu is flu is flu...
Not so; each strain is different, and each requires the body to
immunize for the specific virus (one of the reasons that there is no
*cure for the common cold*). The flu shots, designed for that
specific virus, give your boddy a leg up on developing those necessary
antibodies.
I *hate* taking meds (being asthmatic, that sometimes puts my mind at
odds with the rest of my body <snicker>), but I don't shirk on flu
shots.
But I just wanted to point out that the flu shot one (doesn't) get(s)
today is NOT the same one that one (didn't) get last year...
>I *hate* taking meds (being asthmatic, that sometimes puts my mind at
>odds with the rest of my body <snicker>), but I don't shirk on flu
>shots.
Sympathy. I have the inhalers. <g>
>
>But I just wanted to point out that the flu shot one (doesn't) get(s)
>today is NOT the same one that one (didn't) get last year...
>
Too right, and sometimes you get unlucky and STILL get the damned flu!
Ali
Diane, I think it's Relenza over here? There's been rows about whether the
NHS can afford it.
Ali
Speaking of viruses... can anyone tell me whether it's true that cold weather
causes viruses and sickness and stuff? I recently had a long and pointless
debate about this with my mother, whose reasoning was, shall I say, less than
solid. So, if there are any biologists around, please tell me The Truth and
maybe point me to a couple of studies. Pretty please?
Cassius' Quote of the Day:
Orson Scott Card: "Only one rabbi dared to expect of us such a perfect balance
that we could preserve the law and still forgive the deviation. So, of course,
we killed him."
Shaz wrote:
>
> "Sandra Bursey" <sandra...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:38597...@209.128.1.3...
> > the general population overreacting. Flu generally won't kill you and
> what
> > doesn't kill you makes you stronger so to speak I think this applies to
> our
>
> Tell that to the millions who died in the great flu epidemic that over-ran
> europe after WW2. Real 'flu (as opposed to a severe head cold which people
> tend to call 'flu) can kill. It can certainly do severe damage as
> temperatures soar to over 105 F (110 and you're usually dead). Brain damage
> is certainly a strong possibility.
Flu can kill and does so today. If you'd asked me 3 years ago I would
have utterly agreed with Sandra. In my mind, flu was something that
killed folks back in the early part of this century (including my
Grandmother). As far as I knew, no one died of flu any more.
Then I attended Corflu and three or four days later one of our members
(who was a 30something person who was not at all sick) was dead. Flu
killed him. Most of us who knew Seth (he was 1/2 of the Hugo
Administration for *years* and an active member of Bay Area fandom for a
long time) were floored. I still remember where I was and what I was
doing when the call came to tell me. The combination of being of similar
age and entirely healthy when I'd seen him only days before was enough
to stun me.
What I subsequently learned was that flu can still kill and kill
quickly. In Seth's case I think there was only 72 hours or so from
inception to death.
So beware. Flu can become serious, although it, typically, is just
annoying.
Best,
Alyson
>
>Speaking of viruses... can anyone tell me whether it's true that cold weather
>causes viruses and sickness and stuff? I recently had a long and pointless
>debate about this with my mother, whose reasoning was, shall I say, less than
>solid. So, if there are any biologists around, please tell me The Truth and
>maybe point me to a couple of studies. Pretty please?
>
Well, there was one study that I remember, done in Britain, in the
60's(I won't guarantee that period), I think, that showed there was NO
correlation between cold and exposure to cold, and catching a cold or
the flu.
That said, the best one could say after the study is that if one's
resistance was low (which could be caused by prolonged exposure to
cold) one had a greater chance of catching the bug...
> Speaking of viruses... can anyone tell me whether it's true that cold
> weather
> causes viruses and sickness and stuff? I recently had a long and
> pointless
> debate about this with my mother, whose reasoning was, shall I say, less
> than
> solid. So, if there are any biologists around, please tell me The Truth
> and
> maybe point me to a couple of studies. Pretty please?
>
>
Cold doesn't cause viruses. The increased frequency is due to a
combination of things:
* the lower humidity that comes with the cold weather makes the body's
defenses at the mucus membranes less effective
* cold will depress the immune system
* poor hygeine (not washing hands) and a higher density of people indoors
That said, people shouldn't get flu shots
indiscriminately. My gf almost convinced me to, until I
found out about the Thimersol (sp?) allergy thing. Wasn't
allergic until I used cheap saline once too often--now I'm
violently allergic.
On a similar note, my gf's allergic to silicone. You know
what they use for long-term IV's? They stuck it in--she
stopped breathing. They pulled it out--she didn't start
again. I believe she was legally dead for a few
moments. Never once did they mention this as a possible
danger.
Find out what's in anything that's going to be placed into
your body, and what its side effects could be.
--Jon, N9RUJ jnie...@calvin.edu www.calvin.edu/~jnieho38
The boy's pure dang-nasty evil! Everyone else
can sense it, why can't you?
--Star Wars, Episode II: The Menace Strikes Back
Or does it just destroy the viruses directly, or something?
> By the way, doesn't the flu shot act like a vaccine. As in, it creates the
> anti-bodies in you, so your body is ready to fight the flu? That's like the
> smallpox vaccine, right?
The standard flu shot (not Flumadine) is a vaccine, yes. It's generally
specific to two or three particular influenza viruses that they expect
to be popular that winter.
--
Daniel W. Johnson
pano...@iquest.net
http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W
.
Now if they could come up with something to at least dampen the effects of
this. I still have to go shopping for christmas gifts
Diane McCaslin
Constance
>Flumadine. You've never heard of flumadine?
>
>Lemme explain, 'cause this stuff just saved my ass.
>
>Flumadine has to be taken within 48 hours of contracting the flu, which I
just
>recently got. (After you've had pneumonia, as I did about a year and a
half
>ago, it makes you much more susceptible to flu and upper respiratory
infections
>and the like...and I'm susceptible to begin with, you can set your
flu-calendar
>by me).
>
>What does it do? It's a prescription drug that produces an enzyme that
blocks
>reproduction of the virus. So what you have in the first 48 hours is all
you
>have, and those die off in time. The result is that your symptoms are cut
by
>about 50%, and the duration can be similalry cut.
>
>It's only been out for about a year, so most folks don't know about
it...even
>most of the staff at the medical center didn't know about it, though the
doctor
>was familiar with it. I figured, having gotten the flu, I didn't have
anything
>to lose by taking a shot.
>
>And sonuvagun...it worked.
>
>So I commend it to you heartily. Just remember, though: if you think
you're
>getting the flu, you *have* to get it within the first 48 hours or it won't
be
>effective.
>
> jms
>
>(jms...@aol.com)
>B5 Official Fan Club at:
>http://www.thestation.com
>
>
>
>
>The standard flu shot (not Flumadine) is a vaccine, yes. It's generally
>specific to two or three particular influenza viruses that they expect
>to be popular that winter.
>
Gives a whole new meaning to the word "popular". <g>
Ali
Oh.
So if I go outside, then my immune system won't work as well and I'll get sick.
But if I stay inside, then all of my kin will give me *their* viruses and I'll
get sick.
Great. I guess this proves that Murphy was right...
Cassius' Quote of the Day:
Miss Ayumi, English Teacher: "When the poet says, 'O! To substantialize this
supposititious ontelogical quitity,' I think you'll agree that he is expressing
something that is central to most people's lives..."
>> >It was at the end of World War I that the flu pandemic occurred, I think
>> >killing more people than the war did. Shaz, I agree with your posting;
>> >Ms Bursey has apparently never had genuine flu.
>>
>> Yep. My grandfather's first wife and her children died in that one.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>One of my great uncles was sent to Fort Snelling (Saint Paul, Minnesota)
>prior to being sent to Europe in WW1, but never left Fort Snelling alive. I
>recently read an article that compared the world wide death toll of that
>epidemic to the Black Death in Europe. Men in excellent physical health
>died incredibly quickly.
>
Greetings:
There's a good program on the History Channel about this.
The Flu Pandemic pretty much ended WW-1.
It probably killed 20% of the world population.
It first was seen in the US, faded out, and came back
hard on troop ships headed for Europe. By the end of
the war it was killing more soldiers than combat.
The Medical types just recently recovered samples of the
Virus. (The U.S. Army has tissue samples from combat
casualties from the Civil War on.)(also found in a body buried
up north.)(Alaska?)
Very Scary.
I get the shots every year.
I do NOT like flu.
Thanks for listening,
Gary G.
--
Gary Grossoehme - GaryG4430 "at" aol "dot" com
Oregon Electronics - 503-239-5293
935 NE Couch St. - Computer Cable Specialists
Portland, Oregon - Member: AfterBurner Fan Club.
snippage
>Speaking of viruses... can anyone tell me whether it's true that cold weather
>causes viruses and sickness and stuff? I recently had a long and pointless
>debate about this with my mother, whose reasoning was, shall I say, less than
>solid. So, if there are any biologists around, please tell me The Truth and
>maybe point me to a couple of studies. Pretty please?
No, it doesn't cause anything. It simply reduces your ability to withstand
bugs, due to increased breathing rates and increased mucus production. This
is especially true if you breath in through your mouth whilst out in cold
weather. In our area, we lost a beloved news anchor due to the fact that he
was out in bitter cold, breathing through his mouth, which set off a heart
attack due the the chilling of the air in his lungs.
Money doesn't buy love, but it helps in shopping for it.
There are other factors as well. The dry indoors of the winter helps to retard
the spread. However, in the winter we spend a lot of time in close quarters,
which more than makes up for the dryness.
--
Andy
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