Attn JMS: simple question
Bureau 13
back in time to fight the Shadows?
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>back in time to fight the Shadows?
>
No.
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Jeffrey MacHott
Bureau 13 wrote in message <7uqh6t$ere$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Do Humans evolve into Vorlons at the end of Deconstruction and then go
>back in time to fight the Shadows?
>
eh? Now I'm confused :*) Something to think about though... Terrans, as
they are represented in Babylon 5, are not the best choice to evolve into
Vorlonesque creatures, as they tend more towards Shadow type stuff. The
Minbarri, OTOH, would be very likely to evolve into Vorloney type people.
So... is it possible that the Human race combined with the Minbarri
alltogether, for whatever reason that would present itself over 1,000,000
years, and then evolved into the Vorlon-lookin-guy? After all, he was bald,
IIRC :*)
BTW, now that I've thought about bald-headed fellows... has anyone noticed
how Patric Stewart has been making a number of TNT movies lately? If
Crusade were still being paid for by TNT, what do you think the chances are
that Pat Stewart would end up being cast as a Technomage (PURE SPECULATION,
as Stewart fits a number of the requirements for technomaginess, such as
being bald, having Shakespearian experience, etc. etc. :*)
--Ragu Leader
"Unfortunately you have reached tech support" --Electronic Arts Tech Support
Jacob Corbin
> Do Humans evolve into Vorlons at the end of Deconstruction and then go
>
> back in time to fight the Shadows?
"Mr. Shatner, in episode #24, 'This Side of Paradise', what was the
combination of the safe in your room?"
(Jesus H. Christ. Questions like this make me want to run away and
cry like a little girl with a skinned knee. But for the sake of the
greater good, I'll put a clotheshanger over my nose and descend into the
pit anyway...)
Think about it for a second. This is one million years after the
Shadows left the galaxy for good. Why would these humans give a rat's
ass about some "evil" (no more evil than the Vorlons, anyway) race from
the primordial past? Do you even remember the Shadows doing all that
much to the humans during the course of the show? They never blew up
our planet...they hardly even killed any of us. Why in God's name would
anyone that far in the future care?
This insane desire to find connections in every little thing drives
me up a wall sometimes. At one time I thought that the end of
"Deconstruction" was clear as crystal. I now see that I was making the
classic mistake of watching it with people capable of logical thinking.
Silly me...here, I'll go mortify myself with curtain rods so as to never
make *that* mistake again.
Jacob
Ryan Nock
they could evolve into humans and fight the Shadows?
Alpe97
without giving it ALL away. Right, JMS?
Andy
Derek Beebe
> At the end of Into the Fire, did Vorlons go back in time and settle Earth so
> they could evolve into humans and fight the Shadows?
No, at the end of "Into the Fire" the Vorlons left the Galaxy to live in the
vast space in between, or maybe to travel to another galaxy. In others words
they left. That's it!
WWS
Ryan Nock wrote:
>
> At the end of Into the Fire, did Vorlons go back in time and settle
> Earth so they could evolve into humans and fight the Shadows?
Now you're just being silly.
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JMiles1005
>>back in time to fight the Shadows?
>>
>
>
> jms
I have to wonder, that if this question was worded a little differently, would
the answer be the same?
Joe obviously felt it was necessary to answer this question, but didn't he tell
us that half a truth is worse than a lie? Time travel backwards was never going
to be a plot device, other than the events in War Without End. So the answer to
the question was correct.
But, what if the question becomes one that asks about curved time and space?
Was G'Kar correct when he said that the infinite eventually bends back upon
itself until it ends up where it began? Would the answer still be no?
Miles
Mark Maher
<19991025133236...@ng-fu1.news.cs.com>...
I just don't get it. Why is it so difficult to accept the story as it has been
told at face value and leave it at that? I know that JMS wrote a multi-leveled
story with a lot of plot threads, many of which where left unanswered (at least
to date - the following novels will fill in some of the gaps), but this kind of
wild speculation is ridiculously far off the beaten path of the Babylon 5
storyline and really has no relevance to that story.
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Gizmo
Ryan Nock
falls on a Minbari mime and there's no one around to hear it except Zathras,
does anyone care?
David C.
>>>
>>> Do Humans evolve into Vorlons at the end of Deconstruction and then go
>>> back in time to fight the Shadows?
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> jms
>
>
> I have to wonder, that if this question was worded a little
> differently, would the answer be the same?
>
> Joe obviously felt it was necessary to answer this question, but
> didn't he tell us that half a truth is worse than a lie? Time travel
> backwards was never going to be a plot device, other than the events
> in War Without End. So the answer to the question was correct.
>
> But, what if the question becomes one that asks about curved time and
> space? Was G'Kar correct when he said that the infinite eventually
> bends back upon itself until it ends up where it began? Would the
> answer still be no?
Still no.
In the B5 universe, it is a known fact that lots of races eventually
evolve into beings of pure energy. Not just the Vorlons. The Shadows.
Lorien's race. Probably all of the other First Ones. The race that was
imprisoned by the soul hunters in "River Of Souls". Probably others
that we never saw as well. (Maybe even Captain Sheridan....)
It stands to reason that in a million years, humans (and possibly
others, like the Minbari) would also evolve beyond their physical
bodies. Which is what we saw at the end of Deconstruction - a human
that has evolved into an energy being.
-- David
Jon Niehof
> and settle Earth so they could evolve into humans and
> fight the Shadows?
and didn't see the subliminal messages printed in the
carpeting of the White Star, but I'm pretty sure that the
Vorlons passed beyond the rim with Lorien and the Shadows.
And that the Vorlons and Shadows are separate races from us.
Incidentally, I don't think that there's evidence that the
Vorlons have time travel--the Great Machine is the only sign
of that which we've seen (although Delenn's words in WWE
indicate that perhaps the Minbari have some rudimentary
abilities). And the GM is a massive enigma.
--Jon, N9RUJ jnie...@calvin.edu www.calvin.edu/~jnieho38
This is Linux country. On a clear night, you can hear Windows reboot.
JMiles1005
>
>I just don't get it. Why is it so difficult to accept the story as it has
>been
>told at face value and leave it at that? I know that JMS wrote a
>multi-leveled
>story with a lot of plot threads, many of which where left unanswered (at
>least
>to date - the following novels will fill in some of the gaps), but this kind
>of
>wild speculation is ridiculously far off the beaten path of the Babylon 5
>storyline and really has no relevance to that story.
>
>Gizmo
Wild speculation, only because you don't see it?? The conclusion I reached
answers a great many questions. A conclusion, by the way, that was based solely
on information presented within the show.
Curved time and space was referenced, on the show, by two of the major
characters. G'Kar and Delenn. It would also explain one of the most mysterious
lines ever spoken by Kosh, "I have always been here". It would also explain
this other line from Kosh, spoken to Sheridan, "You have always been here". I
never believed those lines to be simple metaphor. Tie this into the fact that
the species evolves into a race that is very Vorlon like, and eventually
migrates to the Vorlon homeworld, and well ...
A line from Marcus about how it is said the Vorlons are moving backward through
time, knowing the future because they have already lived it. Some have
theorized that this may be one of the ways curved time works.
There is so much more, within the confines of the show, that led to this
conclusion. So, as far as ridiculous speculation, that ain't the case.
Miles
Mark Maher
JMiles1005 wrote in message
<19991027151219...@ng-cj1.news.cs.com>...
>Wild speculation, only because you don't see it??
<SNIP>
Believe what you will. Just don't expect anybody else to follow.
I'm done with this thread.
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Gizmo
Ryan Nock
paradoxes.
Assume that once you're energy, you no longer age, and thus cannot die.
Next, assume that Sinclair was always supposed to be on B5 and not be
replaced by Sheridan. Then, consider what it would mean if Jeffery Sinclair
went back in time to Babylon 4 with one "Ambassador Kosh" at his side.
Sinclair would have "always been here," would have always existed, and Kosh
would have done that even more so. Perhaps, in that instance, Kosh was
never born. He simply appeared as a full being and lived for 1000 years.
Wierd. What a paradox.