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Jms at B5

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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Invariably, whenever I show up at a convention flying the colors, the #1
question I get is about the B5 cast and crew jacket. "Where can we get one of
those?" Up until now, the answer has always been the same: you can't.

For JUST this month, that will change: we are making a limited number (only
about 200) of these same jackets available on www.thestation.com. These are
identical to the crew jackets, made by the same manufacturer, same materials,
same detailed embroidery, the whole thing. On ebay these jackets have gone
from anywhere from $400-$1000, which is kind of obscene, but these are
available here for a hell of a lot less.

Also: we stopped taking orders for The Gathering script, which is now out of
print until some point in the distant future. We're doing one per month, so
for those who missed out...it's too late. This month it's the script for the
first B5 episode, "Midnight on the Firing Line." Orders will be taken for this
month, and that's it.

Just to keep folks informed, especially in the case of the jackets, because I
think they're going to go fast.

jms

(jms...@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com

Dan Wallach

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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JMS writes:

> Also: we stopped taking orders for The Gathering script, which is now
> out of print until some point in the distant future. We're doing one
> per month, so for those who missed out...it's too late. This month
> it's the script for the first B5 episode, "Midnight on the Firing
> Line." Orders will be taken for this month, and that's it.

While I'm very interested in reading the scripts, I'm not particularly excited
to have five seasons * 22 episodes of scripts weighing down a bookshelf. I
would like to encourage JMS and the fan club to offer a CD-ROM (or two) with
all the scripts available in some convenient format (e.g., PDF or HTML). I
imagine the production and shipping costs would be dramatically lower than for
paper, allowing a wider audience to read and enjoy the "Unabridged B5".

An interesting side possibility would be including the Lurker's Guide on the
same CD-ROM, giving it a degree of archival permanence (and citability) lacking
from normal Web sites.

(In ten years, you'll likely be able to include all five seasons of B5 plus
Crusade on a single super-DVD disc, but I'd rather not wait that long...)

--
Dan Wallach
Rice University


Jms at B5

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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>While I'm very interested in reading the scripts, I'm not particularly
>excited
>to have five seasons * 22 episodes of scripts weighing down a bookshelf. I
>would like to encourage JMS and the fan club to offer a CD-ROM (or two) with
>all the scripts available in some convenient format (e.g., PDF or HTML).

Only problem with that is that it makes it very easy to print up and sell
copies, or to send them out on the internet.

BTW...I'm an idiot. I meant to say Crusade jackets in my prior message, not
the B5 jackets. (And I'm told they'll keep taking Gathering orders until the
8th because the system was down for a bit.)

Von Bruno

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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<<BTW...I'm an idiot. I meant to say Crusade jackets in my prior message, not
the B5 jackets. (And I'm told they'll keep taking Gathering orders until the
8th because the system was down for a bit.)>> jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)

That's okay Joe. Many here consider your misrepresentations and misstatements
of fact to be an integral part of your charm. :)

-Von Bruno-


Kim A. Sommer

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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In article <19991006140136...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,

That's okay Von Bruno. Many here consider your attempts at character
assassination and twisting of fact to be an integral part of your charm.


Kim

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Steve Brinich

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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Von Bruno wrote:

> That's okay Joe. Many here consider your misrepresentations and
> misstatements of fact to be an integral part of your charm. :)


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Mac Breck

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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Well said!

Mac


Kim A. Sommer wrote in message <7tg45m$c0v$1...@sherrill.kiva.net>...


>That's okay Von Bruno. Many here consider your attempts at character

>assassination and twisting of fact to be an integral part of your charm.


Dwight Williams

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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Kim A. Sommer wrote:
>
> In article <19991006140136...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> Von Bruno <vonb...@aol.com> wrote:
> ><<BTW...I'm an idiot. I meant to say Crusade jackets in my prior message, not
> >the B5 jackets. (And I'm told they'll keep taking Gathering orders until the
> >8th because the system was down for a bit.)>> jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
> >
> >That's okay Joe. Many here consider your misrepresentations and misstatements
> >of fact to be an integral part of your charm. :)

>
> That's okay Von Bruno. Many here consider your attempts at character
> assassination and twisting of fact to be an integral part of your charm.

What charm?
--
Dwight Williams(ad...@freenet.carleton.ca) -- Orleans, Ontario, Canada
Maintainer/Founder - DEOList for _Chase_ Fandom
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Kim A. Sommer

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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In article <37FCA2B4...@freenet.carleton.ca>,

Dwight Williams <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>Kim A. Sommer wrote:
>>
>> In article <19991006140136...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
>> Von Bruno <vonb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> ><<BTW...I'm an idiot. I meant to say Crusade jackets in my prior message, not
>> >the B5 jackets. (And I'm told they'll keep taking Gathering orders until the
>> >8th because the system was down for a bit.)>> jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
>> >
>> >That's okay Joe. Many here consider your misrepresentations and misstatements
>> >of fact to be an integral part of your charm. :)
>>
>> That's okay Von Bruno. Many here consider your attempts at character
>> assassination and twisting of fact to be an integral part of your charm.
>
>What charm?


Exactly. That's the point.

Sarcasm, irony, and lots of decimated marshmallow peeps went into that
post.

Kim - (trying to figure out if death of personality can be given to a
person without one. Psychological counterpart to how to kill an
invulnerable person re: Rising Stars #2)

Kerry Casey

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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JMS,

Jms at B5 wrote in message <19991005183922...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...


>Invariably, whenever I show up at a convention flying the colors, the #1
>question I get is about the B5 cast and crew jacket. "Where can we get one
of
>those?" Up until now, the answer has always been the same: you can't.
>
>For JUST this month, that will change: we are making a limited number (only
>about 200) of these same jackets available on www.thestation.com. These
are
>identical to the crew jackets, made by the same manufacturer, same
materials,
>same detailed embroidery, the whole thing. On ebay these jackets have gone
>from anywhere from $400-$1000, which is kind of obscene, but these are
>available here for a hell of a lot less.


Would it be possible some time in the future to get a B5 jacket (ie Ranger
patch, sword and shield patch on the arms, B5 logo on the front, B5 station
embroidery on the back). Much as I am enjoying Crusade, it's a B5 jacket I
want, not a Crusade jacket (or rather, I'd like both, but I can't afford
it, and would rather keep the money for a B5 jacket)

Kerry

Kerry Casey

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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JMS,

I just read the message I posted below for the third time (as I do re-read
messages before I post) and realise it sounds ungrateful. ;-) I did not
mean it to be, and I thank you and the fan club for being responsive to
fan's requests in the matter of merchandise.


Kerry

Tamara Metz

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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> For JUST this month, that will change: we are making a limited number (only
> about 200) of these same jackets available on www.thestation.com. These are
> identical to the crew jackets, made by the same manufacturer, same materials,
> same detailed embroidery, the whole thing. On ebay these jackets have gone
> from anywhere from $400-$1000, which is kind of obscene, but these are
> available here for a hell of a lot less.

I'm confused; are these *B5* crew jackets or *Crusade* crew jackets?
Thestation says Crusade.

The Reverend Jacob Corbin

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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Von Bruno wrote:

> That's okay Joe. Many here consider your misrepresentations and misstatements
> of fact to be an integral part of your charm. :)

Pot, meet kettle.

Reverend Jake

Dan Wallach

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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JMS writes about the piracy issues with digital distribution of B5 scripts:

> Only problem with that is that it makes it very easy to print up and
> sell copies, or to send them out on the internet.

Agreed, it's a real issue. There are three theories on how to work around this
problem.

The law enforcement theory is to somehow lock down the software to enforce the
publisher's digital rights. The record companies (via SDMI) are busily duking
it out over how to do this with with digital music. The problem for paper
documents is precisely the same. Adobe Acrobat already includes a cheesy
version of this, where you can ship documents that Acrobat will let you view
on-screen but will refuse to print on paper. Adobe recently announced some
kind of deal with InterTrust to soup this up to support "eBooks" [1].

The economic theory is that you have to make your costs lower than the pirate's
cost. If I can buy 110 scripts on a legit CD-ROM for $29.95, I'm not very
likely to pay some shady dealer $10 each for paper scripts. If somebody posts
them on the net or tries to commercially reproduce the disc, the WB's lawyers
generate an unpleasant cease-and-desist letter, just like they already do with
video tapes and everything else.

And finally, there's the stick-with-dead-trees theory. The production costs
are higher, of course, but photocopy machines are ubiquitous, and somebody
could well digitize the paper copies, reducing this to a previously unsolved
problem.


Somewhere in here is a nice Vorlon vs. Shadow, Order vs. Chaos dichotomy, and
it's entirely unclear what the correct answer should be. I'm just glad that
you're putting the scripts out at all. Maybe I could convince the university's
library to buy a complete set...

[1] http://www.intertrust.com/news/part_adobe_index.html

Mac Breck

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991006015827...@ng-fp1.aol.com...

snip

> Only problem with that is that it makes it very easy to print up and sell
> copies, or to send them out on the internet.

snip

> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> B5 Official Fan Club at:
> http://www.thestation.com

Other than the lower cost and the smaller required physical space needed to
store the stuff, the nice thing about being on CD-ROM in text format is the
ability to do word search.

Mac


DelennJohn

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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>
That's okay Von Bruno. Many here consider your attempts at character
assassination and twisting of fact to be an integral part of your charm.


Kim
>

Might I say this, I was a J - O - K - E. It wasn't meant to bash JMS, it was
suppose to be funny (though it was a bit lame on your part, Bruno)

>
>>What charm?


Exactly. That's the point.

Sarcasm, irony, and lots of decimated marshmallow peeps went into that
post.
>


And the problem with that being...?

God - it was a joke for the sake of it...he's not flaming (or not trying to)


drago


"The Babylon 5 Crusade Long Lost Sector Zero"
http://babylon5.itgo.com/


"In my hand I held the universe,
So tightly so that none may escape;
I opened my fist and stared at my palm,
Nothing was there to contain."

"And if you asked me to dance in the stars;
Take the shine of their light,
A hail would ring of the heavens in hate;
The stars are theirs to hold."

Justin Bacon

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Oct 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/14/99
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In article <19991007225453...@ng-fk1.aol.com>, delen...@aol.com
(DelennJohn) writes:

>Might I say this, I was a J - O - K - E. It wasn't meant to bash JMS, it was
>suppose to be funny (though it was a bit lame on your part, Bruno)

Oh, please. That's like saying Hitler was just joking around when he said that
the only good Jew was a dead Jew. Bruno has a history of bashing JMS.

Justin Bacon
tr...@prairie.lakes.com


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