SiL to SiL
Vince Bagusauskas
We shall miss the Light.
Jms at B5
with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title after
the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
supposed to go right into the next scene).
I think it did much to hurt the overall feel of the thing, and felt folks
should know what the intended structure was.
jms
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Ian Davis
> ...and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
> supposed to go right into the next scene).
This bit was particularly obvious with the flow of the scene and the
music. I didn't notice the rest. It is interesting to have
confirmation that these things do occur as we have long suspected.
Ian.
Jon Smillie
Thanks for this info - JMS. I've often wondered what right stations have
to cut, chop, and change episodes of programs as they see fit - usually
it just seems to be to allow the station to cram more ads in. I've often
watched programs broadcast by local TV stations, then watched the same
episode either on video release or as taped from an American broadcast, and
noticed substantial changes - such as scenes being trimmed short (presumably
to allow time for more ads), or cuts to ads occuring in places where there
clearly shouldn't be - even in a character's mid-sentance sometimes.
Is there some aspect of copyright law whereby the makers of a program
retain some right to control how the program is broadcast? Or do TV stations
have the right to cut and chop a program however they like before broadcasting
it? Is there any pressure a show's producer can apply on TV stations to do the
right thing? (I'd like to see some stations here sued back to the stone age
for their frequent shabby treatment of quality productions...)
I generally regard the commercial broadcasts as "teasers" for a show, and
really look forward to the video release where I can watch the show without
ads, in my own time, and (hopefully) in it's entirety... especially something
like B5 which benefits from repeat viewings.
Oh, if you're still listening, JMS - Thank you for B5 - really thank you.
Jon
In article <19990909214915...@ng-fj1.aol.com>, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) writes:
|> A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they screwed
|> with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title after
|> the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
|> every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
|> supposed to go right into the next scene).
|>
Chuen Chan
Jms at B5 wrote in message <19990909214915...@ng-fj1.aol.com>...
>A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they screwed
>with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title
after
>the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
>every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
>supposed to go right into the next scene).
>
>I think it did much to hurt the overall feel of the thing, and felt folks
>should know what the intended structure was.
I thought it was quite a bit shorter than usual, with more and longer ad
breaks. Thanks for the info.
Chuen Chan c.c...@uq.net.au
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Chris Severn
>A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they screwed
>with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title after
>the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
>every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
>supposed to go right into the next scene).
>I think it did much to hurt the overall feel of the thing, and felt folks
>should know what the intended structure was.
I said in a previous post that I thought SiL was a bit boring, not what I
expected and didn't move me too much.
I rewatched it last night, without adds, all in one go. I've changed my mind.
It was a great end to the show, and it moved me heaps. The fact it had no
adds, and didn't split act 2 up is probably a large part of this.
Thankyou JMS for this show. It has been a great joy in my life for the past
few years.
And thanks for dropping by. It's just a pity you're not able to go to every
city in Australia. If you're coming to Perth, you'd let us know right ?
Chris Severn
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Richard Muirden
>A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they screwed
>with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title after
>the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
>every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
>supposed to go right into the next scene).
Thanks for posting that JMS. I noticed this from when you showed your
copy at aussiecon3 and was appaled. I just hope the video release isn't
done in the same way *fingers crossed*
thanks for dropping by our little group.
cheers,
richard
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brett sargeant
>
> A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they screwed
> with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title after
> the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
> every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
> supposed to go right into the next scene).
>
> should know what the intended structure was.
>
welcome to Australia and channel nine :)
and thankyou
b
Ochran Industries
No no no no no! We don't want to scare him. Welcome to australia, yes.
Welcome to channel 9 - *never*. Channel 9's programming is probably
used by executives at other stations to scare children into doing the
right thing - "Johnny, if you don't clean up your room now, the
channel nine programmers will come around and arrange your life" <g>
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Richard Muirden
>right thing - "Johnny, if you don't clean up your room now, the
>channel nine programmers will come around and arrange your life" <g>
Now we know who runs Channel 9! :-)
"They have always been here" (well that is a play on 'still the one' right?)
:)
this is mostly a comment thinking of JMS's own throwaway gag at aussiecon
regarding who obviously runs TNT/WB :)
-richard
Stuart Park
> Is there some aspect of copyright law whereby the makers of a program
> retain some right to control how the program is broadcast? Or do TV stations
> have the right to cut and chop a program however they like before
> broadcasting it? Is there any pressure a show's producer can apply on TV
> stations to do the right thing? (I'd like to see some stations here sued
> back to the stone age for their frequent shabby treatment of quality
> productions...)
I strongly recommend reading a book called "Monty Python: The Case
Against"
by Robert Hewison. In it is mentioned a time when the BBC sold 6
episodes
of the Monty Python show to the ABC network in the U.S., who proceeded
to mash those 6 1/2 hour episodes into 2 90-minute specials which
included
24 minutes of ads - which basically meant cutting out 24 minutes of the
shows. The Monty Python team were not amused with this (especially as
it
destroyed the humour of a lot of the scenes) and proceeded to take the
ABC
network to court and obtain an injunction to prevent tranmission of the
modified version and seek $500,000 damages for mutilation of the
original work
and damaging their professional reputation.
They didn't win the injunction or the court case.. but after 4 years of
appeals and attempts to fight the huge ABC corporation, Monty Python
reached
an agreement with them and the BBC to have total control over the work
and the distribution from that point onwards.
Christian McNeill
Jms at B5 <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990909214915...@ng-fj1.aol.com...
> A caveat emptor to the group...I watched the last episode, and they
screwed
> with it in many ways...there should not have been an opening series title
after
> the teaser; they put the S2 bumper in where it didn't belong at the end of
> every act; and they sliced act 2 in half (the part where they go to bed is
> supposed to go right into the next scene).
Hmm... Channel Nine have always hat that S2 bumper at the end of each act.
That's probably because they bought the rights of B5 after Channel Seven had
aired the first season. Looks like they just snipped of the end of the S2
opening titles as the act ender. That make me wonder why they have to have
this "bumper" at all. I don't speak for everyone but I don't eed to be told
after each act what show I'm watching.. And if I did I'd just wait until
after the ad break where the show it a the bottom of the screen. Was there
a bumper made for each season of B5 or was it up the the station how it was
made? It looks like the latter but I recall seeing a S5 bumper of the
shield and the sword. (or at least that's what I thought it was the bumper)
As for the slicing of act 2.... Well I do recall that there were a lot of ad
breaks. It's typical for Nine to do this.
> I think it did much to hurt the overall feel of the thing, and felt folks
> should know what the intended structure was.
I'm suprised you didn't mentioned the time of the airing. Midnight is not a
reasonable time to watch TV esp. if you work. Only the people with no life
will watch the show at that time (Hey stop looking at me like that). The
rest will record it on tape and watch it the next day. The time didn't do
it justice. I was too tired to get fully emotional about the show. And to
that effect it didn't quite stir the kind of feeling I had when G'Kar said
goodbye to Delenn before he went to CP. That was a beautiful scene
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Mark Donohoe
>I'm suprised you didn't mentioned the time of the airing. Midnight is not a
>reasonable time to watch TV esp. if you work. Only the people with no life
>will watch the show at that time (Hey stop looking at me like that). The
>rest will record it on tape and watch it the next day. The time didn't do
>it justice. I was too tired to get fully emotional about the show. And to
>that effect it didn't quite stir the kind of feeling I had when G'Kar said
>goodbye to Delenn before he went to CP. That was a beautiful scene
This wasn't the biggest problem with the airing though. What was really
upsetting for me was that the episode aired after 12am - not that the time
was a problem, but the Advertisements that air after that time were, shall
we say, less than appropriate for the show. Lets just say that it is a
bit hard to enjoy an extremely emotional finale to 5 years of your
favourite television series when every 5 minutes you get another advert
for "call 1900-xx-xxxx" or "00 55 blah blah blah" for the "hottest phone
sex". This wrecked the viewing experience more than anything else.
Up yours, channel nein.
Mark D. (annoyed - but still moved by SIL).
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Jon Smillie
Like any ads are good.... I much prefer the SBS format. Ads only
shown *between* programs - never during...
As for the timeslot - for B5 I don't care in the least what the time
slot is - All I've ever asked is that the advertised timeslot and
the actual broadcast timeslot be the same. And I've almost never
got this...
Oh yeah - couldn't agree more with the "UP YOUR'S NEIN" sentiment. I'll
be watching B5 on tape from now on, I'll get Crusade direct from the
U.S., and the remainder of nein's pathetic lineup, being 90% "world's
funniest dog-turds et. al." will gaurantee I can remove them from the
presets in my VCR and TV - FOR GOOD!
Jon
Revenant
> Like any ads are good.... I much prefer the SBS format. Ads only
> shown *between* programs - never during...
Sure, you would (as would I). But that means less people watch the
ads. Would you eliminate in-program breaks if it meant you had to do
without your favourite programs?
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