Racing the Night - it all makes sense now
Emmanuel Goldstein
figured out who all those characters were and how they related to each
other based on this episode. It was all too confusing! Which one was
the doctor? Was it the one they referred to as the "resident thief"?
Or was it that guy looking for artifacts? So many people to figure out
in an hour. I doubt anyone realized who the technomage was. Maybe
next time JMS will take the network's advice and stick some nametags
on these people so we can follow the story like the intelligent viewers
TNT takes us for.
Oh and the fact that the first commercial break didn't come on a crisis
but rather a resolution really threw me. I wonder how many people wandered
away thinking the episode was over.
Crusade has taught me *so* much about network TV.
</sarcasm>
Let's hope what could have been can still somehow be. If SciFi would only
give this show one year to prove itself, they would likely have a hit on
their hands. I hope they use "Racing the Night" to help make their decision.
One question a friend of mine asked upon seeing the "graveyard" - who
belongs to the round flying saucer style ships seen there and on B5?
emmanuel
Jms at B5
>belongs to the round flying saucer style ships seen there and on B5?
>
Them's is Vree saucers.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com
Patriarch
Spoiler Space....
Emmanuel Goldstein wrote:
> I have to say, TNT really got it right. There's NO WAY I could have
> figured out who all those characters were and how they related to each
> other based on this episode. It was all too confusing! Which one was
> the doctor? Was it the one they referred to as the "resident thief"?
> Or was it that guy looking for artifacts? So many people to figure out
> in an hour. I doubt anyone realized who the technomage was. Maybe
> next time JMS will take the network's advice and stick some nametags
> on these people so we can follow the story like the intelligent viewers
> TNT takes us for.
>
> Oh and the fact that the first commercial break didn't come on a crisis
> but rather a resolution really threw me. I wonder how many people wandered
> away thinking the episode was over.
>
> Crusade has taught me *so* much about network TV.
>
> </sarcasm>
>
> Let's hope what could have been can still somehow be. If SciFi would only
> give this show one year to prove itself, they would likely have a hit on
> their hands. I hope they use "Racing the Night" to help make their decision.
>
> One question a friend of mine asked upon seeing the "graveyard" - who
> belongs to the round flying saucer style ships seen there and on B5?
>
That would be the Vree.
>
> emmanuel
Chibi-Light
>
>Them's is Vree saucers.
>
> jms
Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
CL
Cassius81
>Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
>where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
>which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
I think they're the ones in Grail, at the trial in the beginning.
Could be wrong, though.
Curt
The Vree are in the backround throughout B5. I think that they were
mostly silent. They appear in a season 1 episode where a Vree is
brought before the Ombuds by a human who was suing for damages
due to the abduction of his ancestor. The Vree responds with a
pictograph. I think it was GRAIL although it could be the
QUALITY OF MERCY.
The Vree are stereotypical little green men. Almond shaped
eyes and pointy chins on an angular jaw. They are the aliens
described in Communion and were very similar to the Greys
on the X-Files.
curt
Curt
Chibi-Light wrote:
>
> On 8 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0600, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>
> >
> >Them's is Vree saucers.
> >
> > jms
>
> Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
>
The Vree are the Communion Aliens. Bald round heads with Almond shaped
eyes. Somewhere in season one of B5 one a Vree is sued for the kidnapping of
the plaintiff's grandfather.
They are the stereotypical alien form from the X-Files.
Curt
Simon B. Paquet
>>Them's is Vree saucers.
>Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
>where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
>which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
Somewhere in season 1 there's a small scene in the B5 courtroom, where
a Vree is accused by a human, for kidnapping his
great-...-great-grandfather some 100 years ago.
John W. Kennedy
>
> On 8 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0600, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>
> >
> >Them's is Vree saucers.
> >
>
> Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
They're the classic little-grey-men-with-big-eyes aliens. We see them
occasionally, most notably in one of the S1 episodes where they are
being sued by a human who claims that they abducted his grandfather.
--
-John W. Kennedy
-rri...@ibm.net
Compact is becoming contract
Man only earns and pays. -- Charles Williams
Mark D. McKean
(Chibi-Light) wrote:
>Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
>where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
>which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
I believe the alien being sued at the beginning of "Grail" is a Vree. But
I can't seem to remember or locate where I got that impression from.
--
Mark D. McKean - The Quantum Panda - qpa...@iwaynet.net
Highlander-Christians <>< Christian-Leapers <>< Babylon 5-Christians
Serious comments and questions will be handled appropriately.
Flames will be laughed at and routed to /dev/null.
[ NOTE: You got that impression by seeing a bazillion people say that
on this newsgroup. Only problem is IRC jms has said the Vree
have *never* been on screen, it's kinda an in joke. - JAD ]
Alex Thorpe
>Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
>where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
>which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
Aside from their ships, we only see them in "Grail" during Season One.
One of them is on trial because his grandfather "abducted" the plantif's
grandfather and ruined his life.
--
-Alex
"Common Sense Ain't"
Patriarch
Chibi-Light wrote:
> On 8 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0600, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>
> >
> >Them's is Vree saucers.
> >
> > jms
>
> Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
>
> CL
Yeah, I mean, I'm emberrassed to admit it, but I ain't never have either.
I mean, one guy told me that the Vree were seen in the first season (TKO
or Grail, I can't remember) that they were the pop icon "grey" aliens that
are supposed to be abducting people today. That's prolly not it, I guess
I'll have to check out the Lurker's Guide or something. *shrugs* annybody
know?
Curt
Chibi-Light wrote:
>
> On 8 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0600, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>
> >
> >Them's is Vree saucers.
> >
> > jms
>
> Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
>
The Vree are the ones that look like the Grey's from the X-files and
the aliens from Communion. Pale skin with triangular shaped heads pointed
toward the chin and big almond shaped eyes. The stereotypical little
green man.
There was a bit in the first season where a human was suing a Vree for
abducting his ancestor.
Curt
Dianne Heins
>
>
> Chibi-Light wrote:
>
> > On 8 Aug 1999 17:03:36 -0600, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Them's is Vree saucers.
> > >
> > > jms
> >
> > Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> > where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> > which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
> >
>
> Yeah, I mean, I'm emberrassed to admit it, but I ain't never have either.
> I mean, one guy told me that the Vree were seen in the first season (TKO
> or Grail, I can't remember) that they were the pop icon "grey" aliens that
> are supposed to be abducting people today. That's prolly not it, I guess
> I'll have to check out the Lurker's Guide or something. *shrugs* annybody
> know?
Well, considering this has been an ongoing question: "have we seen
the Vree?" I kinda doubt that they're the "grays."
Dianne
Mark D. McKean
In article <qpanda-1008...@iport346.iwaynet.net>,
qpa...@iwaynet.net (Mark D. McKean) wrote:
>I believe the alien being sued at the beginning of "Grail" is a Vree. But
>I can't seem to remember or locate where I got that impression from.
>
>[ NOTE: You got that impression by seeing a bazillion people say that
> on this newsgroup. Only problem is IRC jms has said the Vree
> have *never* been on screen, it's kinda an in joke. - JAD ]
Finally an authoritative answer! :-)
And I posted my response before any of the other responses on this
particular thread came to my newsserver, so it wasn't from this thread
that I got that impression. And I don't recall it having been discussed
around here previously since I started reading this newsgroup (which was
only about a year ago).
John W. Kennedy
>
> Sheesh--replying to myself. What kind of bad habits am I getting into here? :-)
>
> In article <qpanda-1008...@iport346.iwaynet.net>,
> qpa...@iwaynet.net (Mark D. McKean) wrote:
>
> >I believe the alien being sued at the beginning of "Grail" is a Vree. But
> >I can't seem to remember or locate where I got that impression from.
> >
> >[ NOTE: You got that impression by seeing a bazillion people say that
> > on this newsgroup. Only problem is IRC jms has said the Vree
> > have *never* been on screen, it's kinda an in joke. - JAD ]
>
> Finally an authoritative answer! :-)
>
> And I posted my response before any of the other responses on this
> particular thread came to my newsserver, so it wasn't from this thread
> that I got that impression. And I don't recall it having been discussed
> around here previously since I started reading this newsgroup (which was
> only about a year ago).
The B5 CD-ROM, an official production, expressly identifies the Vree as
being the "Gray" in "Grail". If JMS ever said we hadn't seen the Vree,
he must have changed his mind since saying it.
Kevin Tewart
wrote:
>>I believe the alien being sued at the beginning of "Grail" is a Vree. But
>>I can't seem to remember or locate where I got that impression from.
>>
>>[ NOTE: You got that impression by seeing a bazillion people say that
>> on this newsgroup. Only problem is IRC jms has said the Vree
>> have *never* been on screen, it's kinda an in joke. - JAD ]
>
>Finally an authoritative answer! :-)
Actually, Sierra's "The Official Guide to J. Michael Stracynski's
Babylon 5", which was co-written by JMS, makes it perfectly clear that
the "gray" alien in "Grail" is indeed a Vree.
-Kevin
Patriarch
Kevin Tewart wrote:
Yeah, I think the maybe what he meant was that though the Vree saucers are in
thousands of CGI shots over the years, that it seems like they've gone out of
their way to actually avoid seeing the Vree in person(Though appearantly you
see them once). Sort of like Wilson in Home Improvement, I surmise, the joke
was they never showed his full face.
Patriarch
the Vree are seen in "Grail" as the "Gays"), and the other that JAD quotes
saying that JMS said we never see them....
You could say that on IRC, jms was making a generalizing statement, when he
said we never seen the Vree. Sort of-- if someone in this group were to only
post once a year and then someone else made a joke about it("Hey Bill, glad
to see you're still alive!" and so forth), we could say that it was a running
joke that that guy *never* posts..
Ya see what I'm saying? The context may have been misintepreted. I mean, if
two different canon b5 sources say the same thing you can't dismiss it.
-Patriarch(Scott)
"Mark D. McKean" wrote:
> In article <37ae47fe...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, eryt...@hotmail.com
> (Chibi-Light) wrote:
>
> >Do we ever see the Vree in B5? I'm rewatching the whole thing (I'm to
> >where Thirdspace takes place in season 4) and I STILL have no idea
> >which ones are supposed to be the Vree.
>
> I believe the alien being sued at the beginning of "Grail" is a Vree. But
> I can't seem to remember or locate where I got that impression from.
>
> --
> Mark D. McKean - The Quantum Panda - qpa...@iwaynet.net
> Highlander-Christians <>< Christian-Leapers <>< Babylon 5-Christians
> Serious comments and questions will be handled appropriately.
> Flames will be laughed at and routed to /dev/null.
>
Mark D. McKean
>The B5 CD-ROM, an official production, expressly identifies the Vree as
>being the "Gray" in "Grail". If JMS ever said we hadn't seen the Vree,
>he must have changed his mind since saying it.
The CD-ROM has already been discredited numerous times as being
inconsistent with other sources that are known to be canonical (including,
IIRC, some things that actually appear on the show). So I'd be *very*
cautious about citing that source as authoritative.
If I had to give anyone the last word on this, it would be Fiona
Avery...but she'd probably give back what JMS said, so that's
authoritative enough to satisfy me.
Kevin Tewart
wrote:
>In article <37B9C588...@ibm.net>, rri...@ibm.net wrote:
>
>>The B5 CD-ROM, an official production, expressly identifies the Vree as
>>being the "Gray" in "Grail". If JMS ever said we hadn't seen the Vree,
>>he must have changed his mind since saying it.
>
>The CD-ROM has already been discredited numerous times as being
>inconsistent with other sources that are known to be canonical (including,
>IIRC, some things that actually appear on the show). So I'd be *very*
>cautious about citing that source as authoritative.
Umm... like what?
Since it was co-written by JMS, I would consider it fairly
authoritative.
And in all fairness, the show contradicts itself a fair amount, too.
:)
-Kevin