ATTN: jms: Is there hope?
Tim Fleming
I am deeply disappointed by what has happened with "Crusade ".
I have already written the
Sci-Fi channel and TNT in support of the show. I really appreciate the
story you told with B5.
My hopes were high for another great ride.
I guess my question is do we have a realistic shot at keeping
"Crusade" going.
-Tim
John W Kennedy
Warner Bros. ordered a fold&store on the sets. That means they're
willing to spend money on the chance, and that means that there is a
chance.
However, despite wishful thinking by a distressingly large number of
fans, there is no chance whatsoever of any of the following:
1) Changing TNT's mind by a petition.
2) Changing Warner Bros.' mind, which we don't want to change anyway.
3) Changing the Sci-Fi Channel's fiscal 1999 budget by a petition.
What we, as fans, should be working on is increasing public knowledge of
B5 and of "Crusade", until we get ratings for "Crusade" that are either
so great that the gene-pool pollutants at TNT are sloughed off (nice,
but unlikely) or at least so good that the Sci-Fi Channel is sure to put
the money into its 2000 budget.
--
-John W. Kennedy
-rri...@ibm.net
Compact is becoming contract
Man only earns and pays. -- Charles Williams
Jms at B5
kill yet." -- Galen.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
B5 Official Fan Club at:
http://www.thestation.com
Diane K De
>B5 and of "Crusade", until we get ratings for "Crusade" that are either
>so great that the gene-pool pollutants at TNT are sloughed off (nice,
>but unlikely) or at least so good that the Sci-Fi Channel is sure to put
>the money into its 2000 budget.
>
increase public knowledge of B5 or Crusade? Practically everone I know tried
B5 at least once. It's not my fault they didn't like it.
2.) Re: "Gene-pool pollutants". Have you ever even met anyone in the
programming department of TNT? Please describe this meeting and what about
them causes you to call them this. Did they dribble in their martini's, slur
their words, what?
3.) Re: Sci-Fi's budget. This seems to be a complicated piece fo work. In
reports of TNT's announcement that they had picked up the re-run rights to the
Pretender this week, the Sci-Fi channel was listed as a competitor for the
bidding. The price TNT got it for was $500M an episode or $33.5 Million in
total for the 77 episodes. I wonder what Sci-Fi offered.
Crusade's biggest chance for salvation is not in the hands of the common fans.
It's in the hands of the show. It has to be good and compelling and get people
to keep watching. It would also help if a few influentual TV reviewers were
blown of their couches by it (Matt Roush of TV Guide showed Sci-Fi saavy in his
reviews of Farscape and First Wave this week. I'm sure he'll have an open mind
on Crusade).
Either you have confidence that the show is THAT good or you don't.
DD
John David Watker
The quote I was thinking of was: "There is always hope. At least that
is what I tell myself when I awaken in the middle of the night, and the only
sound I can hear is the beating of my own desperate heart." --Warleader
G'Sten
(The next quote I'm thinking of is Londo saying: "You have what the
Earthers would call a 'negative personality'" :-) )
--
John David Watker
e-mail: jdwa...@cybercomm.net
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair.
Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all
the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve
them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe." -Ranger Marcus Cole, "Babylon 5"
NukeMarine
>
>"There's always hope, because it's the one thing nobody's figured out how to
>kill yet." -- Galen.
> jms
jms uses faith and hope alot. They seem similar enough. Anybody have their
own opinion (besides Webster's definition) on what they (faith and hope) are?
Who are you? - I am Life
What do you want? - Death
Why are you here? - To live
Where are you going? - To die
When? - Exactly
Matthew B. Vincent
> I am deeply disappointed by what has happened with "Crusade ".
>I have already written the
>Sci-Fi channel and TNT in support of the show. I really appreciate the
>story you told with B5. My hopes were high for another great ride.
I feel the same way - B5 has been a wonderful story, and I will cherish the
opportunity to watch whatever episodes of Crusade that manage to get out. You
know, it's interesting... when I saw the title of this thread, I assumed that
you were talking about whether there is hope for the future of humans. In
either case, I guess the answer is that there's always hope, but hope is all
we have. The future is undetermined, a spectrum of probabilities spreading out
from the present moment... probabilities which are no more than a metaphor
until they are caused to happen.
Hmmmm, I guess you weren't looking for a particularly deep answer to your
question :P but it seemed apt nonetheless. I hope like anything that Crusade
can go ahead as much as possible.
Matthew
Tom Maddox
"Where are we going?"
"Planet 10!"
"When?"
"Real soon!"
Sorry.
Anyway, I typically define faith as being an intense belief, frequently
without rational reason.
Hope is the desire for things to get better.
"Those you cannot teach to fly, teach to fall faster." -- Nietzsche
<mailto:tma...@dnai.com> | I'd use a spam trap, but I have enough.
Assimiltr
most effective way would be to watch the show and then join in on the snail
mail campaign! We have two form letters ready to go!
Visit "Crusade - The Quest for Life" at
http://babylon5.acmecity.com/lurker/2/crusade.htm
NukeMarine
>(Hey, they helped me, & I had the job from HELL!)
>
>Tammy
Guinea Pig for Preperation A-G?
Toilet brush taste tester?
Bulgaria Bikini team Waxer?
Help us out here!
---------------------------------------
Till we find out how Stackpole got the buffalo in the biplane.
Laura M. Appelbaum
>
> >From: gka...@webtv.net (Tammy Smith)
>
> >(Hey, they helped me, & I had the job from HELL!)
> >
> >Tammy
>
> Guinea Pig for Preperation A-G?
> Toilet brush taste tester?
> Bulgaria Bikini team Waxer?
>
> Help us out here!
>
of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
along. Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
The workers get The Ball.
The Ball is an enormous, solid-wood construction about two stories high
dating back to at least the time of the French Revolution. The Ball is
lowered into the sewers by crane, but from there, Human manpower is
required. The Ball is rolled along the passageways by the World's
Sorriest Workers. (Here comes the humorously [assuming you aren't one
of the "Frogmen" in question] disgusting part) When they reach the point
where the obstruction occurs, their job is to push The Ball over a ledge
and LEAP BACK as fast as they can to avoid the enormous, foul SPLASH as
The Ball falls into the liquified Human waste below. Gravity takes over
from there as The Ball moves inexorably down the rest of the passageway
and eventually squashes or pushes the obstruction out of the system.
And THAT, my friends, is the story of the people with THE World's Worst
Job. You may now return to your lunches and snacks, assuming you dare.
;D
LMA
Sham Gardner
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Laura M. Appelbaum (l-app...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
: of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
: In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
: they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
: this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
: upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
: wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
: City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
: along.
They have a visitor centre I once went to on a school trip to Paris. They
didn't give me the impression that they considered it the world's worst job
;) (not that I would agree with them.)
: Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
: solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
: up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
: The workers get The Ball.
<snip>
: and LEAP BACK as fast as they can to avoid the enormous, foul SPLASH as
: The Ball falls into the liquified Human waste below.
Hmmmmm they never mentioned that part, although one of the enormous balls in
question was on display.
Wes Struebing
<l-app...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
>of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
>
>In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
>they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
>this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
>upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
>wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
>City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
>along. Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
>solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
>up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
>
>The workers get The Ball.
Gee, thank you sharing with us, Laura.
<G>
Take care; faith manages!
Wes Struebing
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Philip R. Columbus
<l-app...@mindspring.com> expressed the opinion that:
# Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
# of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
#
# In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
# they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
# this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
# upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
# wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
# City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
# along. Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
# solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
# up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
#
# The workers get The Ball.
#
# The Ball is an enormous, solid-wood construction about two stories high
# dating back to at least the time of the French Revolution. The Ball is
# lowered into the sewers by crane, but from there, Human manpower is
# required. The Ball is rolled along the passageways by the World's
# Sorriest Workers. (Here comes the humorously [assuming you aren't one
# of the "Frogmen" in question] disgusting part) When they reach the point
# where the obstruction occurs, their job is to push The Ball over a ledge
# and LEAP BACK as fast as they can to avoid the enormous, foul SPLASH as
# The Ball falls into the liquified Human waste below. Gravity takes over
# from there as The Ball moves inexorably down the rest of the passageway
# and eventually squashes or pushes the obstruction out of the system.
#
# And THAT, my friends, is the story of the people with THE World's Worst
# Job. You may now return to your lunches and snacks, assuming you dare.
# ;D
#
# LMA
#
Laura,
Saw the same and you're right. Worst job I've seen. However, the Paris
sewer system was an engineering marvel for its time. Considering how bad
it was before the system was built, it was a major step forward.
Philip R. Columbus
philipc...@home.com
http://members.home.com/philipcolumbus/
AOL IM: mr1492
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Mac Breck
Laura,
Isn't being nibbled to death by ducks, worse? I seem to recall Londo saying
something like that. That's the method they use where I work, only the
ducks are Dilbert Pointy Haired Bosses, and the nibbling is their stupid
ideas (based on absolutely zero thinking or knowledge) that the nibblee (not
a word but you get my meaning) has to carry out. The wellspring of
incredibly stupid ideas flows endlessly. It's torture.
Mac
Laura M. Appelbaum wrote in message <36F130...@mindspring.com>...
>In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
>they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system.....
Laura M. Appelbaum
Wes Struebing wrote:
>
> On 18 Mar 1999 19:48:23 -0700, "Laura M. Appelbaum"
> <l-app...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> <G>
Made you feel a lot better while you sat at your nice clean computer in
your nice, sewage-free office while the sun shone just out of reach
outside, tho' didn't it? ;D
LMA
Laura M. Appelbaum
Sham Gardner wrote:
>
> Laura M. Appelbaum (l-app...@mindspring.com) wrote:
> : Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
> : of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
>
> : In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
> : they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
> : this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
> : upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
> : wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
> : City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
> : along.
>
Waitaminit here ... your SCHOOL took you on a field trip to the Parisian
Sewer System??? Who's in charge -- Principal Skinner and Mrs. Crabapple?
<G>
They
> didn't give me the impression that they considered it the world's worst job
> ;) (not that I would agree with them.)
Can you imagine what other jobs they must have applied for before they
accepted THAT one?
>
> : Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
> : solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
> : up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
>
> : The workers get The Ball.
>
> <snip>
>
> : and LEAP BACK as fast as they can to avoid the enormous, foul SPLASH as
> : The Ball falls into the liquified Human waste below.
>
> Hmmmmm they never mentioned that part,
Can't imagine why! LOL!
although one of the enormous balls in
> question was on display.
One of the Seven Wonders of the French World! ;D
LMA
Aubrey W. Adkins
Honestly, posts like this from a warped perspective, justify my
subscription to an internet service. Humor like this can't be made up.
Aubrey
Laura M. Appelbaum
>
> Laura,
>
> Isn't being nibbled to death by ducks, worse? I seem to recall Londo saying
> something like that.
That's only because by the twenty-third century, the Parisians have
FINALLY updated their sewer system and no longer employ Humans OR The
Ball. <G>
LMA
fcc...@my-dejanews.com
l-app...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Sham Gardner wrote:
> >
> > Laura M. Appelbaum (l-app...@mindspring.com) wrote:
> > : Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
> > : of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
> >
> > : In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
> > : they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
> > : this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
> > : upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
> > : wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
> > : City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
> > : along.
> >
> > They have a visitor centre I once went to on a school trip to Paris.
>
> Waitaminit here ... your SCHOOL took you on a field trip to the Parisian
> Sewer System??? Who's in charge -- Principal Skinner and Mrs. Crabapple?
> <G>
Lunch lady Doris ran out of spaghetti sauce... <VBG>
<snip>
>
> LMA
>
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Laura M. Appelbaum
>
> Laura,
> Honestly, posts like this from a warped perspective, justify my
> subscription to an internet service. Humor like this can't be made up.
> Aubrey
>
LMA
NukeMarine
>Mac Breck wrote:
>> Laura,
>>
>> Isn't being nibbled to death by ducks, worse? I seem to recall Londo
>saying
>> something like that.
Sorry Mac, although he was thinking about a d*ck he said he was being nibbled
to death by cats. Of course I see nothing horrible about a job being like
bitten to
death by pussies now and then. <G> (Laura, you said that meant grin, right?)
>That's only because by the twenty-third century, the Parisians have
>FINALLY updated their sewer system and no longer employ Humans OR The
>Ball. <G>
>
>LMA
Not if you believe Garibaldi's thought on the methane toilets. Of course since
we're on the subject of toilets. Isn't nice to know B5 had had unisex
bathrooms on TV 5 years before Ally McBeal. That B5 had the decency not to
have good dialogue take place in the restrooms is up for grabs (fasten/zip
anybody?)
==========================
~Violence is always an option -Orlanth
~There is always another way - Ernald
>From "The Wooing of Ernalda" by Greg Stafford
ImRastro
>Isn't being nibbled to death by ducks, worse? I seem to recall Londo saying
>something like that. That's the method they use where I work, only the
>ducks are Dilbert Pointy Haired Bosses, and the nibbling is their stupid
>ideas (based on absolutely zero thinking or knowledge) that the nibblee (not
>a word but you get my meaning) has to carry out. The wellspring of
>incredibly stupid ideas flows endlessly. It's torture.
>
>Mac
>
Umm.....my job frequebtly falls into that category (shop stewards who call me
at home on the weekend every five minutes, members who can't understand why
they might be fired for missing 150 days of work in one year, employer
attorneys who turn every arbitration into a federal case because they are paid
by the hour, etc). Sometimes I feel like ripping the phone out of the wall.
But compared being nearly drowned in a huge wave of......well, you know, I'll
take the ducks! Thanks for the perspective laura.
Sham Gardner
: Waitaminit here ... your SCHOOL took you on a field trip to the Parisian
: Sewer System??? Who's in charge -- Principal Skinner and Mrs. Crabapple?
: <G>
The trip was to Paris in general, the visit to the sewer system was only a
small part of it.
Mac Breck
<19990321020547...@ng-cr1.aol.com>...
>Sorry Mac, although he was thinking about a d*ck he said he was being
nibbled
>to death by cats.
Ducks, cats, it's all the same. The idea is slow torture, as opposed to a
quick ending.
>Of course I see nothing horrible about a job being like bitten to death by
pussies now and >then.
Now, now, lets keep this as clean as possible (admittedly difficult after
the Parisian sewer system). ;-)
Mac
Mac Breck
trip to McDonalds???
Must have a strong stomach after hearing about "the ball" ! <G>
Mac
ImRastro wrote in message <19990321033409...@ng10.aol.com>...
>MacBreak asks:
>
>>Isn't being nibbled to death by ducks, worse? ....<snipped>
Janet Cone
<xazq...@norfolk.infi.net> wrote:
>Laura,
> Honestly, posts like this from a warped perspective, justify my
>subscription to an internet service. Humor like this can't be made up.
>Aubrey
The only problem is that I had abdominal surgery 4 days ago.... I'm
trying very hard not to burst my stitches. Maybe for the sake of my
health I better killfile this thread!
>Laura M. Appelbaum wrote:
>>
>> Sham Gardner wrote:
>> >
>> > Laura M. Appelbaum (l-app...@mindspring.com) wrote:
>> > : Actually, as my fellow B5MD members can attest, we've seen a documentary
>> > : of what IS TRULY the World's Worst Job over on The Learning Channel.
>> >
>> > : In part of a series about the "underground" workings around the world,
>> > : they explored, no joke, the Parisian sewer system. The whole thing is
>> > : this nasty, antiquated artesian system built ghod knows when and never
>> > : upgraded. Everyday, a team of Frenchmen with The World's Worst Jobs
>> > : wade up to their elbows (at least) into the untreated sludge beneath the
>> > : City of Lights and open various gates and sluices to send the waste
>> > : along.
>> >
>> > They have a visitor centre I once went to on a school trip to Paris.
>>
>> Waitaminit here ... your SCHOOL took you on a field trip to the Parisian
>> Sewer System??? Who's in charge -- Principal Skinner and Mrs. Crabapple?
>> <G>
>>
>> They
>> > didn't give me the impression that they considered it the world's worst job
>> > ;) (not that I would agree with them.)
>>
>> Can you imagine what other jobs they must have applied for before they
>> accepted THAT one?
>> >
>> > : Periodically (I SWEAR I'm NOT MAKING THIS UP), the uhm ...
>> > : solids ... suspended in these billions of gallons of human waste block
>> > : up the sewer tunnels. There is only one thing to be done.
>> >
>> > : The workers get The Ball.
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > : and LEAP BACK as fast as they can to avoid the enormous, foul SPLASH as
>> > : The Ball falls into the liquified Human waste below.
>> >
>> > Hmmmmm they never mentioned that part,
>>
>> Can't imagine why! LOL!
>>
>> although one of the enormous balls in
>> > question was on display.
>>
>> One of the Seven Wonders of the French World! ;D
>>
>> LMA
>
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Laura M. Appelbaum
>
> On 20 Mar 1999 19:19:07 -0700, "Aubrey W. Adkins"
> <xazq...@norfolk.infi.net> wrote:
>
> >Laura,
> > Honestly, posts like this from a warped perspective, justify my
> >subscription to an internet service. Humor like this can't be made up.
> >Aubrey
>
> The only problem is that I had abdominal surgery 4 days ago....
Oh no! It wasn't The Dreaded Gall Bladder, was it? ;D
Feel better soon!
LMA