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consumer report on Dr AEF, Feb 1999

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Alan Horowitz

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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He's now asking for 4000 pesos for a simple consultation and drainage. No
lab work is included for that amount

I know for a fact that Manila doctors typically charge their Filipino
customers, about 200-400 for this level of effort and amount of time. The
concept of "ability to pay" doesn't bother me in principal, but to ask a
foreigner for *ten times* as much, really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Knowing the Philippines scene pretty well, I will use another provider
next time.

His research is scheduled to appear in a foreign, legitmate, peer-reviewed
medical journal. He showed me the proof sheet of the cover page. Knowing
the principal of non-disclosure before publication that academic journals
insist on, I declined his offer to look at the text on the computer.
Anyway, it's nothing shockingly new to those who have followed this
newsgroup for a long time. Anyway, the proof is, as they say, in the
pudding. As I told Dr AEF, the urologists are using his methods, but
saying bad things about him personally. It's actually not a new phenomenon
in medicine or in science in general.

He states that Dr Polacheck of the Tucson clinic is nowadays, (apparently)
following a different school of thought about AB regimes; and he doesn't
want to be held responsible for Polacheck's current results. Fair enough.

The locals seem to think his method works - he's opened a succesful second
clinic in Cebu City, the economic capital of the southern half of the
country.

I like him personally, but he's getting pricey for my budget. I'll try to
start using Dr Castro, his former assistant, who now has his own clinic up
in the northern provinces.

--
Alan Horowitz al...@widomaker.com

Inspector Clouseau

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Alan Horowitz wrote:

> He's now asking for 4000 pesos for a simple consultation
> and drainage. No lab work is included for that amount.

What do you expect? He knows any Westerner who comes to see him has
probably already travelled half-way around the world, and a little thing
like an exorbitant fee is not going to stop him at that point.

> Knowing the Philippines scene pretty well, I will use
> another provider next time.

If you're so keen on this sort of treatment, why not go to Dr Shoskes
locally? At least with him you get the added benefit of other modalities
too. And your medical insurance may cover it.

> He showed me the proof sheet of the cover page.

And I've got a nice bridge I want to sell you.

> As I told Dr AEF, the urologists are using his methods,
> but saying bad things about him personally. It's actually
> not a new phenomenon in medicine or in science in general.

How many urologists are following his methods? About 0.00001%

> He states that Dr Polacheck of the Tucson clinic is nowadays,
> (apparently) following a different school of thought about AB
> regimes; and he doesn't want to be held responsible for
> Polacheck's current results. Fair enough.

A falling out amongst thieves. And one less urologist "following his
methods", which leaves about 1 or 2.

> The locals seem to think his method works - he's opened a

> succesful second clinic in Cebu City...

Of course they think it works -- they all have STDs! When will the penny
drop with you guys that the Filipinos are a completely dissimilar
patient cohort?


Curt M. Breneman

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Alan Horowitz wrote:
>
> He's now asking for 4000 pesos for a simple consultation and drainage. No
> lab work is included for that amount
>
> I know for a fact that Manila doctors typically charge their Filipino
> customers, about 200-400 for this level of effort and amount of time. The
> concept of "ability to pay" doesn't bother me in principal, but to ask a
> foreigner for *ten times* as much, really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
> Knowing the Philippines scene pretty well, I will use another provider
> next time.
>
> His research is scheduled to appear in a foreign, legitmate, peer-reviewed
> medical journal. He showed me the proof sheet of the cover page. Knowing
> the principal of non-disclosure before publication that academic journals
> insist on, I declined his offer to look at the text on the computer.
> Anyway, it's nothing shockingly new to those who have followed this
> newsgroup for a long time. Anyway, the proof is, as they say, in the
> pudding. As I told Dr AEF, the urologists are using his methods, but

> saying bad things about him personally. It's actually not a new phenomenon
> in medicine or in science in general.
>
> He states that Dr Polacheck of the Tucson clinic is nowadays, (apparently)
> following a different school of thought about AB regimes; and he doesn't
> want to be held responsible for Polacheck's current results. Fair enough.
>
> The locals seem to think his method works - he's opened a succesful second
> clinic in Cebu City, the economic capital of the southern half of the
> country.
>
> I like him personally, but he's getting pricey for my budget. I'll try to
> start using Dr Castro, his former assistant, who now has his own clinic up
> in the northern provinces.
>
> --
> Alan Horowitz al...@widomaker.com

Alan,

How much is 4000 pesos in USD? Have you tried the Encino group?

Curt Breneman

Ed Mathews

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Your post, with phrases like, "I will use another provider NEXT TIME", and
"I'll try to START USING Dr. Castro", indicates to me that you have done
this before and intend to do it again. I thought the Manila protocol was
(for those who believe) supposed to be a "cure"? If so, then why the
additional trips?

Thanks for reading.
Ed
Send e-mail to it...@erols.com

Alan Horowitz

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Feb 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/22/99
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Cures last forever, if there is no re-exposure. I'm not married nor
monogomous at this point in my life. Furthermore, I've never had any
relapse nearly as bad as the original problems.

Sport goes on, even if there be the occassional mild sports injury.
--
Alan Horowitz al...@widomaker.com

Alan Horowitz

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Feb 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/23/99
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My insurance reimbursed me 80% of the charges paid to AEF.
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Alan Horowitz al...@widomaker.com

Curt M. Breneman

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Feb 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/23/99
to Alan Horowitz

Did you have independent insurance or an HMO? I am in the HMO
situation, and I don't think that they will be easy to convince. By the
way, what course of treatment (length and type) did you undergo with
AEF? Can you be more specific?

Curt Breneman

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