VorCon
Joss O'Kelly
I saw this interesting snippet on rastb5m:
"Stephen Furst asked me to mention that a huge portion of the B5 cast
who attended VorCon here were stiffed for the bulk of their fees.
Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik, Mira, Bill, Pat, Jeffrey and others
were never paid what they were promised.
That the cast nonetheless came out and peformed and did their all for
the fans in spite of this says a lot for them, I think.
jms"
Joss
Adam Bruce
person, uk.media.tv.sf.babylon5 the right place and Mon, 25 Jan 1999
20:48:42 GMT the right time, history records:
Speaking as one who was there, I can certainly understand WHY there
would be a wage problem!!!
So long & thanks for all the flarn ....
Adam.
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>
>I saw this interesting snippet on rastb5m:
I've heard similar stories from several sources, but it would have been
a breach of confidence to mention them here.
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accuracy....
> "Stephen Furst asked me to mention that a huge portion of the B5 cast
>who attended VorCon here were stiffed for the bulk of their fees.
>Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik, Mira, Bill, Pat, Jeffrey and others
>were never paid what they were promised.
That list is in error. I forgot to include Jerry Doyle, who according to Peter
was also stiffed.
Peter has also indicated that he was invited, after being stiffed, to do
*another* Cooney con, and when he reminded said individual about not being paid
for the *last* one, was told, as if speaking for all British fans, that B5 was
not a quality show and the British fans didn't care for the show and he didn't
deserve any more than what he was getting.
I hope someone will alert other potential guests at these conventions that
guests are not being paid.
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
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http://www.thestation.com
Ben
(Jms at B5) writes:
> I was alerted to this being crossposted here, so just for purposes of
> accuracy....
>
> > "Stephen Furst asked me to mention that a huge portion of the B5 cast
> >who attended VorCon here were stiffed for the bulk of their fees.
> >Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik, Mira, Bill, Pat, Jeffrey and others
> >were never paid what they were promised.
>
> That list is in error. I forgot to include Jerry Doyle, who according to Peter
> was also stiffed.
I don't believe that adding another name will do any greater harm to Mr
Cooney's reputation at this point. But thanks for coming on here to prove
this is for real.
> Peter has also indicated that he was invited, after being stiffed, to do
> *another* Cooney con, and when he reminded said individual about not being paid
> for the *last* one, was told, as if speaking for all British fans, that B5 was
> not a quality show and the British fans didn't care for the show and he didn't
> deserve any more than what he was getting.
"...didn't deserve any more than he was getting"? "Not a quality show."?
This man is not a fan. This man is not even a science fiction fan. Hell,
he's not even a polite person from what you've detailed here. You don't
organise a convention and then insult the guests. It's just not done.
Brian (it is Brian, isn't it?) Cooney does not speak for anyone else in
this group, let alone anyone else I can think of who watche{s,d} the show.
Apologies for his behaviour come from everyone here and we hope you'll
still feel like taking part in one or two British fan conventions in the
future.
> I hope someone will alert other potential guests at these conventions that
> guests are not being paid.
Believe me. If I moved on those circles I would do. However, if any fan
asks me for an opinion on a Cooney Con, I'll point her/him to these
archived messages.
Thanks for coming here and laying it out for us, Joe. Apologies once
again.
Ben
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Iain Rae
>I was alerted to this being crossposted here, so just for purposes of
>accuracy....
>
>> "Stephen Furst asked me to mention that a huge portion of the B5 cast
>>who attended VorCon here were stiffed for the bulk of their fees.
>>Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik, Mira, Bill, Pat, Jeffrey and others
>>were never paid what they were promised.
>
>That list is in error. I forgot to include Jerry Doyle, who according to Peter
>was also stiffed.
>
>Peter has also indicated that he was invited, after being stiffed, to do
>*another* Cooney con, and when he reminded said individual about not being paid
>for the *last* one, was told, as if speaking for all British fans, that B5 was
>not a quality show and the British fans didn't care for the show and he didn't
>deserve any more than what he was getting.
>
I don't suppose Peter's got any of Londo's two element poison left
lying around anywhere? :)
>I hope someone will alert other potential guests at these conventions that
>guests are not being paid.
>
Equally I hope that this will not put guests off coming to
conventions/meetings in the UK and Europe I'm not normally a
convention goer (conventioneer?) I'd half intended to go to the wrap
party but pressures of work....etc...etc... I'd hate not to get to
meet some of the people involved because all us Brits get tainted by
the actions of one individual or organisation.
And if British fans don't care for the show how does he explain the
recent edition of Right to Reply?
I'm sure it's been asked before but does Mr Cooney frequent usenet and
if so what are his responses?
Barry Dorrans
>And if British fans don't care for the show how does he explain the
>recent edition of Right to Reply?
or the watch *grin*
Barry Dorrans
>if so what are his responses?
Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
starts to get slagged.
Barry
Barry O'Neill
> recent edition of Right to Reply?
>
> if so what are his responses?
He may lurk, but prefers to use stooges to post as "impartial
individuals". Look for anoymous .hotmail or .aol addresses.
regards,
Barry
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Alison Hopkins
Barry Dorrans wrote in message <36aeac85...@news.alt.net>...
>>if so what are his responses?
>
>
>starts to get slagged.
>
>Barry
>
Oh joy. Do I have to killfile things again, I wonder? :)
Ali
xSaBx
REMOVE.barry...@connect-2.co.uk.ANDTHIS (Barry Dorrans) wrote:
][ Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
][ starts to get slagged.
...all from the same person, as I seem to recall.
Whatever happened to them, I wonder?
xSaBx
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xSaBx
<ba...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
][ Iain Rae wrote:
][ > I'm sure it's been asked before but does Mr Cooney frequent usenet and
][ > if so what are his responses?
][
][ He may lurk, but prefers to use stooges to post as "impartial
][ individuals". Look for anoymous .hotmail or .aol addresses.
Could the Starfury Conventions people tell us if he's got anything to do with
their get-together in March...?
Alison Hopkins
xSaBx wrote in message <36ae10d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:53:09 GMT,
>REMOVE.barry...@connect-2.co.uk.ANDTHIS (Barry Dorrans) wrote:
>
>][ Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
>][ starts to get slagged.
>
>...all from the same person, as I seem to recall.
>
>Whatever happened to them, I wonder?
>
>
Oh, I'll bet they'll surface.
Ali
WhyBird
Alison Hopkins wrote in message <78l5cs$gsn$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
Alison Hopkins
WhyBird wrote in message <78l9l9$2jn$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
>>
>Gee, hope I haven't missed anything yet. Chocolate, Ali...?
>
>
Bird! My darling one! Welcome back... and such good timing.
Mega smoochy kisses, Ali
Shaun Gerrans
<fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>xSaBx wrote in message <36ae10d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:53:09 GMT,
>>REMOVE.barry...@connect-2.co.uk.ANDTHIS (Barry Dorrans) wrote:
>>
>>][ Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
>>][ starts to get slagged.
>>
>>...all from the same person, as I seem to recall.
>>
>>Whatever happened to them, I wonder?
>>
>>
>
>Oh, I'll bet they'll surface.
>
Any bets on how long it'll take.
Shaun
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Alison Hopkins
Shaun Gerrans wrote in message <36ae2d06...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>Oh, I'll bet they'll surface.
>>
>
>Any bets on how long it'll take.
>
10- 9- 8- 7- 6- ....... <g>
Ali
Phil Wheatley
>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:53:09 GMT,
>REMOVE.barry...@connect-2.co.uk.ANDTHIS (Barry Dorrans) wrote:
>
>][ Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
>][ starts to get slagged.
>
>...all from the same person, as I seem to recall.
>
>Whatever happened to them, I wonder?
Do you really?
How quaint. :-)
"Live fast, Die young, Leave clean Underwear"
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Jms at B5
British fans for this...the British fans have perennially been our best and
warmest friends, and the first to really support the show. That is not easily
or quickly forgotten.
All is absolutely well on that count, and I know that they/we plan on many
other visits to the UK in future.
Despite the restraining orders....
Iain Rae
<fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>xSaBx wrote in message <36ae10d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:53:09 GMT,
>>REMOVE.barry...@connect-2.co.uk.ANDTHIS (Barry Dorrans) wrote:
>>
>>][ Well we do have those anonymous hate mails from AOL every time he
>>][ starts to get slagged.
>>
>>...all from the same person, as I seem to recall.
>>
>>Whatever happened to them, I wonder?
>>
>>
>
>Oh, I'll bet they'll surface.
>
<silly mood>
"Action Stations , Action Stations, gun action, anonymous hate mailer
surfacing on the port beam."
<ting ting....ting ting>
"All turrets report closed up and ready for action"
"Broadsides....shoot"
</silly mood>
Think I'm a bit late with my morning coffee today.
>Ali
>
Iain Rae
>To Iain and Ben and others...I don't believe that anyone in the cast blames the
>British fans for this...the British fans have perennially been our best and
>warmest friends, and the first to really support the show. That is not easily
>or quickly forgotten.
>
I didn't think we'd be blamed ,it was more the "honest" convention
organisers I was worried about, thanks for the reassurance though.
If anyone had doubts about a particular con they could ask here,
they'd be guaranteed a frank answer.
Can't make any claims about bias though ;)
>All is absolutely well on that count, and I know that they/we plan on many
>other visits to the UK in future.
>
I'll got some beers in then
>Despite the restraining orders....
>
I now have a mental picture of Peter and Andreas in full makeup in the
customs hall at Heathrow and a very puzzled customs officer wondering
how to classify G'Kar and whether he'll have to go into quarantine :)
Iain Rae
bugger that's wrong, it should be more like
"All turrets report closed up and ready for action"
"you may fire when ready"
"Broadsides"
<ting ting....ting ting>
"shoot"
<Loud Bang>
>Think I'm a bit late with my morning coffee today.
definitely need morning coffee.
Paul Harper
>I was alerted to this being crossposted here, so just for purposes of
>accuracy....
>
>> "Stephen Furst asked me to mention that a huge portion of the B5 cast
>>who attended VorCon here were stiffed for the bulk of their fees.
>>Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik, Mira, Bill, Pat, Jeffrey and others
>>were never paid what they were promised.
>
>That list is in error. I forgot to include Jerry Doyle, who according to Peter
>was also stiffed.
>
>Peter has also indicated that he was invited, after being stiffed, to do
>*another* Cooney con, and when he reminded said individual about not being paid
>for the *last* one, was told, as if speaking for all British fans, that B5 was
>not a quality show and the British fans didn't care for the show and he didn't
>deserve any more than what he was getting.
>
>I hope someone will alert other potential guests at these conventions that
>guests are not being paid.
[copy sent via email as well]
Joe,
Thanks for posting this message - it confirms what many people over here
have known for a long time - that the man's a crook, and an incompetant one
at that.
Since you are far closer to the cast than we are over here (and if you're
not, then Stephen will be) is there any way at all that the actors
concerned can pool their grievances and en masse launch a legal action
against Cooney?
The Horsemen Group over here have been watching this man's activities for
some time, but until he does something legally provable, there's nothing
that can be done to stop him. What it needs is for someone, or a group of
people, to take a stand and say in the strongest possible terms that they
are not going to allow this kind of bullshit to happen any more.
He is the worst possible abuser of trust. He takes an actor up a hill of
expectation by praising and promising, then when they've out-lived their
usefulness drops them flat on their arse, out of pocket.
Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
being kept happy as well. The rest have been totally shafted and are
dismissed as irrelevant now. I can't beleieve that Bruce would be dealing
with this person if he knew how the others were being treated.
Joe - if there's anything you can do to persuade these people to take
action to recover their losses, UK fandom would be most grateful, I'm sure.
I sincerely hope that this hasn't soured any feeling you or the cast and
crew might have for this country. Believe me, we're not all bastards like
this.
Paul.
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Paul Harper
>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:10:12 +0000, Barry O'Neill
><ba...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>][ Iain Rae wrote:
>][ > I'm sure it's been asked before but does Mr Cooney frequent usenet and
>][ > if so what are his responses?
>][
>][ He may lurk, but prefers to use stooges to post as "impartial
>][ individuals". Look for anoymous .hotmail or .aol addresses.
>
>Could the Starfury Conventions people tell us if he's got anything to do with
>their get-together in March...?
What - the people for whom the phrase "joined at the hip" was invented?
Paul Harper
anthony
then salute ,
and while they kiss their bottoms goodbye,
say nothing personnal,
but see ya
Iain Rae wrote in message <36c3ec79....@news.hw.ac.uk>...
Robbie
>All is absolutely well on that count, and I know that they/we plan on many
>other visits to the UK in future.
>Despite the restraining orders....
?
tell us more - if you are allowed
robbie
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gerard...@my-dejanews.com
pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
> Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
> cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
> being kept happy as well.
The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
"being kept happy"...
cheers
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Iain Rae
<ant...@antman.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>as regards the broadside it should be time on target eye fire.
> then salute ,
>and while they kiss their bottoms goodbye,
> say nothing personnal,
> but see ya
Na, it's a snap shot on a flat trajectory at close range so you don't
need/want to spend time calculating ballistics, just keep blasting
away with your 4.5"/5"/6"/8" as appropriate.
Shaz
anthony wrote in message ...
>as regards the broadside it should be time on target eye fire.
> then salute ,
Ahh, excellent. Someone has just posted that odd piece of naval idiom that's
been confusing the heck out of me.
What on earth does 'time on target' mean? Is it 'aye' rather that 'eye' I
remember Ivanova using this phrase and I'm blowed if I can work out what it
means (and, from the way she said it, I'm not convinced she knew what she
was talking about either).
Shaz
Barry O'Neill
> The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
> Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
> "being kept happy"...
You're late. We expected you several posts ago...
WhyBird
Paul Harper wrote in message <36b2edd1....@news.demon.co.uk>...
>"Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> said :
>
>
>Where been, bitch?!
>
>Paul.
>--
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out of the darkness, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) spoke:
>All is absolutely well on that count, and I know that they/we plan on many
>other visits to the UK in future.
Ohhhh goody! :)
>Despite the restraining orders....
On you, them,... or us...?
Wonx ;)
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Alison Hopkins
Paul Harper wrote in message <36b1ed94....@news.demon.co.uk>...
>sarah@gubbinsdotnet (xSaBx) said :
>
>>On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:10:12 +0000, Barry O'Neill
>><ba...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>][ Iain Rae wrote:
>>][ > I'm sure it's been asked before but does Mr Cooney frequent usenet
and
>>][ > if so what are his responses?
>>][
>>][ He may lurk, but prefers to use stooges to post as "impartial
>>][ individuals". Look for anoymous .hotmail or .aol addresses.
>>
>>Could the Starfury Conventions people tell us if he's got anything to do with
>>their get-together in March...?
>
>What - the people for whom the phrase "joined at the hip" was invented?
>
>Paul.
>--
And who are now publishing the "5 Times" I gather.
Ali
Alison Hopkins
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It's been a poorly bird, poor thing. You better, dear?
Ali
Laurie S
VOR?
Thanks.
Iain Rae wrote in message <36c0e249....@news.hw.ac.uk>...
On 27 Jan 1999 04:56:05 GMT, jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>To Iain and Ben and others...I don't believe that anyone in the cast
blames the
>British fans for this...the British fans have perennially been our
best and
>warmest friends, and the first to really support the show. That is
not easily
>or quickly forgotten.
>
I didn't think we'd be blamed ,it was more the "honest" convention
organisers I was worried about, thanks for the reassurance though.
If anyone had doubts about a particular con they could ask here,
they'd be guaranteed a frank answer.
Can't make any claims about bias though ;)
>All is absolutely well on that count, and I know that they/we plan on
many
>other visits to the UK in future.
>
I'll got some beers in then
Khianna
>
>Ahh, excellent. Someone has just posted that odd piece of naval idiom that's
>been confusing the heck out of me.
>
>What on earth does 'time on target' mean? Is it 'aye' rather that 'eye' I
>remember Ivanova using this phrase and I'm blowed if I can work out what it
>means (and, from the way she said it, I'm not convinced she knew what she
>was talking about either).
I asked this ages ago - IIRC the answer was it means timing the guns'
firing rates so that the projectiles from all the guns hit the target
at the same time, thus effectively making one very big hit. As opposed
to each gun firing on its own as fast as it can, making lots of little
hits.
--
Khianna (:
Shaun Gerrans
>In article <36b0e9eb....@news.demon.co.uk>,
> pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
>
>
>> Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
>> cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
>> being kept happy as well.
>
>The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
>Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
>"being kept happy"...
>
And so it begins.
Iain Rae
wrote:
>
>anthony wrote in message ...
>>as regards the broadside it should be time on target eye fire.
>> then salute ,
>
>
>Ahh, excellent. Someone has just posted that odd piece of naval idiom that's
>been confusing the heck out of me.
>
>What on earth does 'time on target' mean? Is it 'aye' rather that 'eye'
Umm. can't remember exactly. Time on Target relates to the aiming
mechanism used in (Battle)Cruiser and Battleship guns. which could
engage other ships at such a range that there could be up to 3 shells
from an individual gun in flight at any one time (one leaving the gun
barrel, one in ballistic flight and one ermm "landing"on the target
vessel)
The mechanics of targeting a moving ship at such ranges was
complicated enough that they needed mechanical computers to work out
where to aim, with inputs from thermometers, barometers, the ships
head and speed, range finders etc. One of the indicators was a "time
on target" indicator but I can't remember if this relates to hold long
a range finder was designating a particular target or the time taken
for the current shell to land. The latter is more important than you'd
think as it's important to know which shell you're correcting for.
Hence you usually fire in broadsides, partly because the slight
differences will spread the shells over a slightly larger area, but
mostly because you want to be able to observe your fall of shot.
The Iowa class battleships, recently retired from the USN (again)
would fire a single shell which was packed with radio altimeter,
barometer etc and would relay all this data back to the ship, this in
conjunction with a radar trace of the flight would be fed into the
targeting computers.
That said Warspite's 15" guns were accurate enough that during D-Day
they were knocking out individual tanks with one or two shells at a
distance of 10 miles.
Time to dig out my "Great Naval battles of WWII" game instructions
again :)
The "eye" is almost certainly an "Aye" (Affirmative response to a
command)
> I
>remember Ivanova using this phrase and I'm blowed if I can work out what it
>means (and, from the way she said it, I'm not convinced she knew what she
>was talking about either).
>
It sounded suspiciously like Star Treks "bearing 106 mark 4"
gibberish.
I've never been able to work out if it's supposed to be 106.4 (in
which case 106 decimal 4 would be correct, or even 106 point 4) or
they've seen an old WWII war film and got confused by the usual
"continuous bearings" scene.
you know... PO sings 101,101,102,102,103,103,104,104,105...... over
which the captain moves the periscope and says "Bearing.....Mark",
meaning "I'm about to take a bearing to this aircraft carrier, for
f**k's sake someone write down what the other guy says when I say
mark"
>Shaz
>
>
xSaBx
wrote:
][ It's been a poorly bird, poor thing. You better, dear?
Well, if he has what I've got it'll need more than one trip...
:-<
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xSaBx
][ The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
][ Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
][ "being kept happy"...
Hello Gerard!
(Oh, as Barry says, you're late...)
It's not a theory, and it certainly isn't fantasy. Brian's done this, and the
body of evidence (I'm afraid) really is too large to ignore this time....
Brian has shown himself, without exception, to be an expert in manipulation. I
see no reason to doubt what Paul has said to be a good representation of the
facts (and if you use your brain it doesn't take Einstein to work out that there
are personalities at play here, not just numbers, and THAT'S why what Paul says
is so plausible) The fact that Joe himself comes here to confirm the situation
rather makes it look like gospel, if truth be told.
And that's the point really: Joe posts for himself. He's not bothered about what
people will think, he allows his words to speak for him, right or wrong.
For that fact alone I have respect for Joe, and no respect for Brian (or indeed
anyone who tries to defend him) Now, more than ever before, it doesn't matter
who speaks for each side. It's the leaders who'll make the
difference...certainly in this battle.
Brian's perfectly capable of speaking for himself, isn't he? Well, I think it's
high tme we actually heard his version of events...don't you? Hell, I've heard
everyone else's version, after all...
Alison Hopkins
xSaBx wrote in message <36b0923f...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:43:17 -0000, "Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com>
>wrote:
>
>][ It's been a poorly bird, poor thing. You better, dear?
>
>Well, if he has what I've got it'll need more than one trip...
>
>:-<
>
Extremely nasty flu, and I really do hope you didn't have it. If you did,
then please feel better soon.
Ali
Joss O'Kelly
(Shaun Gerrans) wrote:
>
>And so it begins.
>
>Shaun
Well I never expected all this response. (Well OK, I did wonder if
the usual suspects would come out of the woodwork with the usual
excuses!) Good to hear that jms and the cast aren't blaming all us
Brits for the dubious activities of a few and aren't ruling out
further visits to our fair shores. And I hope that as Paul suggests,
appropriate legal action can put an end to this once and for all.
Joss
Joss O'Kelly
wrote:
>Could someone direct me to or send me the original post from JMS on
>VOR?
I quoted the whole thing at the top of the thread, but if you want
where I cut'n'pasted it from, go to rastb5m and look for "2 jms
quickies". The other one was something about a show on MTV.
>Thanks.
No problem
Joss
Gerard Keating
Barry O'Neill wrote in message
<36AF63CC...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk>...
>You're late. We expected you several posts ago...
>
Yeah, I noticed your post.
Gerard "stooge" Keating....
Simon Hopper
>On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:46:56 GMT, gerard...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>In article <36b0e9eb....@news.demon.co.uk>,
>> pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
>>> cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
>>> being kept happy as well.
>>
>>The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
>>Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
>>"being kept happy"...
>>
>And so it begins.
I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else. What
about that group that Sarah RFD'ed, uk.media.sf.fans was it? Either that or
.social please.
Simon
Phil Wheatley
wrote:
>
>anthony wrote in message ...
>>as regards the broadside it should be time on target eye fire.
>> then salute ,
>
>
>Ahh, excellent. Someone has just posted that odd piece of naval idiom that's
>been confusing the heck out of me.
>
>What on earth does 'time on target' mean? Is it 'aye' rather that 'eye' I
>remember Ivanova using this phrase and I'm blowed if I can work out what it
>means (and, from the way she said it, I'm not convinced she knew what she
>was talking about either).
>
Well I also don't know what I'm talking about
(or so I'm frequently told <g>), so I'll have a go
Working from memory of the last time this topic aired, 'Time on
Target' has something to do with coordinating the various types of
ordnance and weapons fire that are being let loose by assorted ships
so that, basically, everything arrives at the target in a sustained
bombardment, thus putting the enemy 'on the back foot' so to speak,
as regards effective counter-measures.
Since there are a range of optimum trajectories for various calibres
of ordnance, and different velocities at which that ordnance will
travel, it is necessary to perform calculations to determine the
firing order of the gun positions to achieve the desired result.
Or something. (Don't all, ahem, shoot me down at once<g>)
I presume the principle is the same for the army Artillery divisions,
but whether the actual phrase 'time on target' is used I wouldn't know
I'm sure someone more familiar with military matters will be along in
a minute. :-)
"Live fast, Die young, Leave clean Underwear"
Phil Wheatley mailto:ph...@world5.demon.co.uk
ICQ 8498646 URL: http://www.world5.demon.co.uk
Jms at B5
>
It was a joke.
Shaz
Jms at B5 wrote in message <19990127194603...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>>>Despite the restraining orders....
>>
>
>It was a joke.
>
>
> jms
I think the reply was as well. That dead, dry English sense of humour, it
gets you every time <g>
Thanks for the heads up, though. Things should get interesting from here on.
Shaz
Chris Hatt
>
[snip]
> The mechanics of targeting a moving ship at such ranges was
> complicated enough that they needed mechanical computers to work out
> where to aim, with inputs from thermometers, barometers, the ships
> head and speed, range finders etc.
<pedant>
I think you meant "ships heading" not "ships head". The later is
something entirely different!
</pedant>
[snip]
--
Chris Hatt
USER ERROR: Replace user and press any key to continue...
Chris Hatt
]
] On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:35:06 -0000, "Shaz" <gf...@dial.pipex.com>
It may also be used to coordinate several shells from the same gun
arriving on target at the same time. Fire one high and slow, one medium
trajectory and somewhat faster and then another flat and fast to all
arrive on target simultaneously.
Paul Harper
>And who are now publishing the "5 Times" I gather.
Oooh colour me purple! It's Sean Harry - ably helped out by his lovely
assistant Mr Cooney!
Or is that the other way around? ;-}
Prediction: Cover price increases, circulation decreases, goes bust in 6
months or less.
Paul.
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Paul Harper
>
>Paul Harper wrote in message <36b2edd1....@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>Where been, bitch?!
>>
>Pharmacist.
>
That's on the North Devon coast, isn't it? :-)
Paul Harper
>In article <36b0e9eb....@news.demon.co.uk>,
> pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
>
>
>> Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
>> cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
>> being kept happy as well.
>
>The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
>Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
>"being kept happy"...
JMS doesn't necessarily know everything. He doesn't claim to either.
Paul Harper
>And I hope that as Paul suggests,
>appropriate legal action can put an end to this once and for all.
I really wish they would - it would put an end to all this once and for
all.
Paul.
WhiteStar13
--
Khianna wrote in message <9AKr2.1449$vq5.1...@news.tcp.co.uk>...
>Shaz intoned these words...
>>
>>Ahh, excellent. Someone has just posted that odd piece of naval idiom
that's
>>been confusing the heck out of me.
>>
>>What on earth does 'time on target' mean? Is it 'aye' rather that 'eye' I
>>remember Ivanova using this phrase and I'm blowed if I can work out what
it
>>means (and, from the way she said it, I'm not convinced she knew what she
>>was talking about either).
>
>I asked this ages ago - IIRC the answer was it means timing the guns'
>firing rates so that the projectiles from all the guns hit the target
>at the same time, thus effectively making one very big hit. As opposed
>to each gun firing on its own as fast as it can, making lots of little
>hits.
>
>--
>Khianna (:
You are right about the 'Time on target', this means that, when all the
shots hit the target at once, the shock and pressure from the combined power
of the shots will hopefully destroy the target.
As for the aye/eye issue, it is 'aye'. This comes from the weapons officer
on a ship responding to the captains order of 'Time on target' by saying
'Targeting, aye Captain', but the 'Captain' part was left out.
By the way, I see that JMS has started to post here, and at the
rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated newsgroup. This means that we will have to
behave ourselves, what with the Great Maker watching our every move :)
Joe, if you read this, maybe you would like to visit the Channel 4 Forum,
just to see the happenings on the B5 thread. It is at
http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html under the red Babylon5 topic at
the very top. And don't be misled by the tiny figure of 300-odd posts,
Channel 4 keep a limit on the number of posts available on the recent
display, just click on the show all articles link for the previous 1000-odd
since the thread was restarted in December after C4 lost the old thread
containing 8000+ posts.
I will hopefully see you there.
--
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Commander Liam McVicker, Commander of White Star 13.
Iain Rae
<itd...@its.hants.gov.uk> wrote:
>Iain Rae wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>> The mechanics of targeting a moving ship at such ranges was
>> complicated enough that they needed mechanical computers to work out
>> where to aim, with inputs from thermometers, barometers, the ships
>> head and speed, range finders etc.
>
><pedant>
>I think you meant "ships heading" not "ships head". The later is
>something entirely different!
></pedant>
No, I know what "heads" are, as they say "been there done that".
what I meant was the orientation of the ship, which is not necessarily
the same as the direction of travel.
>
>[snip]
Paul Harper
>And so it begins.
Not really, Shaun. I let Keating out of my killfile to see if he'd grown a
brain stem yet.
He'll be back in there before too much longer, I recon !! :-)
Paul Harper
>I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else. What
>about that group that Sarah RFD'ed, uk.media.sf.fans was it? Either that or
>.social please.
Given that it's more on-topic than the current "I got a BBC B/ZX81/Spekky"
thread, perhaps that one should move first?
Paul Harper
>Hell, I've heard everyone else's version, after all...
****
You are JMS and I claim my five ponds !! :-)
WhyBird
Alison Hopkins wrote in message <78nr3d$jq5$4...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
>
You better, dear?
>
>Ali
>
No. Bugger off.
WhyBird
>
>Paul.
>--
WhyBird
Paul Harper wrote in message <36b32ab3....@news.demon.co.uk>...
>I really wish they would - it would put an end to all this once and for
>all.
>
>Paul.
Seems to me that things would be better all 'round if someone took
'appropriate action' to put an end to Cooney ("Ah yes, Smitherssss").
Paul Harper
>Seems to me that things would be better all 'round if someone took
>'appropriate action' to put an end to Cooney ("Ah yes, Smitherssss").
You may think that. Others may think that.
I on the other hand ... Would agree entirely. :-)
Alison Hopkins
WhyBird wrote in message <78q4pe$85i$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
<g> He's such a *good* patient. <snerk> Never mind, we love you anyhow!
Ali
Simon Hopper
>"Simon Hopper" <si...@westmythREMOVE.freeserve.co.uk> said :
>>I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else. What
>>about that group that Sarah RFD'ed, uk.media.sf.fans was it? Either that
>>or
>>.social please.
>Given that it's more on-topic than the current "I got a BBC B/ZX81/Spekky"
>thread, perhaps that one should move first?
>Paul.
You're probably right, but the computer thread seems, well, so much more
fluffy...
Simon
xSaBx
<si...@westmythREMOVE.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
][ I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else.
Actually, so would I. But this bloke refuses to go away, wherever he's
discussed....
Smile Simon, it won't be around for long...
:->
xSaBx
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http://www.gubbins.net
Remove the "dot" and add a dot to reply...
xSaBx
][ You are JMS and I claim my five ponds !! :-)
No, but I do have a restraining order...
Alex Glennie
wrote:
>"Simon Hopper" <si...@westmythREMOVE.freeserve.co.uk> said :
>
>>I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else. What
>>about that group that Sarah RFD'ed, uk.media.sf.fans was it? Either that or
>>.social please.
>
>Given that it's more on-topic than the current "I got a BBC B/ZX81/Spekky"
>thread, perhaps that one should move first?
Oi! That thread has moved entirely away from it's origins as a
serious scientific investigation.....which was totally OT as well.
Bugger.
I'll get me anorak.
Cheers
Alex
--
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in the Enterprise.
Martin Hardgrave
<pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet> writes
>gerard...@my-dejanews.com said :
>
>>In article <36b0e9eb....@news.demon.co.uk>,
>> pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Bruce is currently in favour - he is still seen by Cooney as a potential
>>> cash cow. Jerry, being friends with Bruce, is seen as a gateway, so he's
>>> being kept happy as well.
>>
>>The problem with your theory/fantasy is that according to JMS's posting.
>>Jerry Doyle was also shafted, is does this fall within your definition of
>>"being kept happy"...
>
>JMS doesn't necessarily know everything. He doesn't claim to either.
>
--
Martin Hardgrave
Paul Harper
>I do have a restraining order...
Ooooh! Kinky :-)
Paul.
Chris Hatt
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:40:58 GMT, pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet (Paul Harper) wrote:
>
> ][ You are JMS and I claim my five ponds !! :-)
>
>
> :->
Is that like the one Lyta was wearing in OiM/OaR?
8o
<OffThread>
Just why was Lyta in physical restraints while under arrest? It's not
as if they were frightened of her using her fists.
</OffThread>
IMD
and secondly, Bruce is being advertised as appearing at Wolf again this
year. Souldn't someone tell him what's going on.
D.E. Majer (a very concerned Fan and Convention attendee)
Barry O'Neill
>
> Barry O'Neill wrote in message
> <36AF63CC...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk>...
>
> >You're late. We expected you several posts ago...
> >
>
> Yeah, I noticed your post.
>
> Gerard "stooge" Keating....
Kiss my encounter-suited butt.
Barry
--
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Who needs Micro$lop?
gerard...@my-dejanews.com
pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
>
> JMS doesn't necessarily know everything. He doesn't claim to either.
>
True, he's been wrong before on related matters.
So you reckon he is wrong about some of the actors he lists in his posting...
cheers
gerard
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xSaBx
<ev9...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Paul just a couple of points, first, what or who are The Horseman Group,
> and secondly, Bruce is being advertised as appearing at Wolf again this
> year. Souldn't someone tell him what's going on.
Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong: Bruce is
appearing at Wolf this year (which Brian is only a part of,
or at least this was the case the last time I attended a
Wolf Con) and is, at the moment the only guest...is this
correct?
Oh yeah, and who ARE the Horsemen...?
xSaBx
--
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Iain Rae
>On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:04:53 -0800, IMD
><ev9...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul just a couple of points, first, what or who are The Horseman Group,
>> and secondly, Bruce is being advertised as appearing at Wolf again this
>> year. Souldn't someone tell him what's going on.
>
>Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong: Bruce is
>appearing at Wolf this year (which Brian is only a part of,
>or at least this was the case the last time I attended a
>Wolf Con) and is, at the moment the only guest...is this
>correct?
>
>Oh yeah, and who ARE the Horsemen...?
>
well there's pestilence, famine..
EXCUSE ME
<gulp>......yes????
I SEEM TO BE LOST COULD YOU DIRECT ME TO A.F.P.
ermm.....third newsgroup on the left after alt.binaries...
THANK YOU.....
<phew> Got to stop taking the piss out of Mr D.
:)
>
>xSaBx
Paul Harper
>Paul just a couple of points, first, what or who are The Horseman Group
Now that would be telling!! The Horsemen Group monitor, listen, read,
gather and generally accumulate information on the nefarious activities of
Brian Cooney. Where necessary, they tip off interested parties.
Some are close to him, some are not. The group uses his weakness for
blowing his own trumpet, bragging and exageration to collect stuff first
hand. Other information is collected via injured "other parties" on a
confidential basis for use as required later.
All is documented.
As to who the group are - obviously members cannot be named otherwise their
effectiveness is ended. Sorry !
>and secondly, Bruce is being advertised as appearing at Wolf again this
>year. Souldn't someone tell him what's going on.
Indeed - and that's why he's being kept sweet. Someone should indeed tell
him what's going on. Hopefully this will come from Steven Furst or JMS
since they will have rather more credibility than most.
You haven't actually *paid* for Wolf yet, have you?
Paul Harper
>So you reckon he is wrong about some of the actors he lists in his posting...
Which part of the posting didn't you understand, Gerard? I will try to
rephrase it using fewer sylables if you like.
Paul Harper
>Oh yeah, and who ARE the Horsemen...?
Collectors, gatherers, collators and monitors.
Patient people with a long term aim. Waiting to strike.
Lars Haugseth
pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet (Paul Harper) writes:
> sarah@gubbinsdotnet (xSaBx) said :
>
> >Oh yeah, and who ARE the Horsemen...?
>
> Collectors, gatherers, collators and monitors.
>
> Patient people with a long term aim. Waiting to strike.
"Now we await the passage of years."
"Years?"
"We are very patient."
They are the Drakh, and I claim my five ponds!
--
Lars Haugseth
Stephen Shevlin
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:42:48 GMT, pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet (Paul Harper)
> wrote:
>
> >"Simon Hopper" <si...@westmythREMOVE.freeserve.co.uk> said :
> >
> >>I'd be kept happy if this type of thread was moved somewhere else. What
> >>about that group that Sarah RFD'ed, uk.media.sf.fans was it? Either that or
> >>.social please.
> >
> >Given that it's more on-topic than the current "I got a BBC B/ZX81/Spekky"
> >thread, perhaps that one should move first?
>
> Oi! That thread has moved entirely away from it's origins as a
> serious scientific investigation.....which was totally OT as well.
> Bugger.
Speaking of which, what are your conclusions on this potentially Noble
prize winning survey, are we all speccies or is some vast conspiracy
perpertrated by the likes of Dolland & Atchison & Vision Express?. The
public demands the truth!.
Stephen Shevlin
gerard...@my-dejanews.com
Barry O'Neill <ba...@oneillb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Kiss my encounter-suited butt.
>
nahh, there's been enough brown-nosing in this thread so far.
Gerard
Paul Harper
>They are the Drakh, and I claim my five ponds!
The group are the Drakh's nightmare, but you can have five ponds anyway,
with my compliments! :-)
xSaBx
gerard...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> So you reckon he is wrong about some of the actors he lists in his posting...
No, he's not, is he?
You should know, after all...
Alex Glennie
<s.sh...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> Speaking of which, what are your conclusions on this potentially Noble
>prize winning survey, are we all speccies or is some vast conspiracy
>perpertrated by the likes of Dolland & Atchison & Vision Express?. The
>public demands the truth!.
The anwers will be analysed next week - honest. :)
Cheers
Alex
--
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in Excel 97 that the whole of an Amiga probably couldn't have
simulated. The world's gone mad!
Still, kinda cool, huh? :)
Paul Harper
>As proved by his ITB posting.
Indeed. Also, however, like this posting, his ITB note was mostly correct.
The UK fans *were* being ripped off, it *was* illegal to charge entry for
this, and it *was* an organisational disaster - he was off-target in
attributing the blame. The essential facts were correct.
Paul Harper
>nahh, there's been enough brown-nosing in this thread so far.
Well done Gerard - I knew you'd make me laugh today.
Ta
Lars Haugseth
pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet (Paul Harper) writes:
> Lars Haugseth <lar...@trym.candleweb.no> said :
>
> >They are the Drakh, and I claim my five ponds!
>
> The group are the Drakh's nightmare, but you can have five ponds anyway,
> with my compliments! :-)
Oh well then I'll settle for a pint, if that's fine with you. :)
--
Lars Haugseth
Angus Manwaring
>pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet (Paul Harper) writes:
>> sarah@gubbinsdotnet (xSaBx) said :
>>
>> >Oh yeah, and who ARE the Horsemen...?
>>
>> Collectors, gatherers, collators and monitors.
>>
>> Patient people with a long term aim. Waiting to strike.
> "Now we await the passage of years."
> "Years?"
> "We are very patient."
>They are the Drakh, and I claim my five ponds!
Lars, you've earnt it, take a lake. ;)
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
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john...@my-dejanews.com
through.... Interestingly enough
There is a name for what some posters have been saying here; it's called
slander. Unsurprisingly, those posts come from the same people who seem to
attack Wolf 359 in general and Mr Cooney in particular, any chance they get.
You would have thought some would refrain from such practice as their
behaviour is less than exemplary.
Without having to give any names, and to give two in example contributing to
the slander; didn't someone who now runs conventions used Wolf as a stepping
stone, stabbing a few people in the back along the way?
Is someone else still making and selling unlicensed B5 merchandising?
As for Mr Straczynski, it seems he is still feeding his personal grievances
with Mr Cooney whenever possible. I would have thought he was busy writing a
new series... Or did writer's block strike? Does anyone honestly think that
if the actors attending VOR had a problem with the mentioned payments, they
wouldn't speak out for themselves? Ask the few who haven't already been paid
in full if they didn't agree to deferred payments. It is also very unlikely
that they would have Mr Straczynski fight their battle for them, as he would
be the last person they would turn to for help; see how many of the original
B5 cast are willing to go near the man, after the way they have been treated.
This has so far been for public knowledge. Why do you think B5's creator
wasn't at VOR, apart from his version that he wouldn't have anything to do
with cons ran by anyone involved with Wolf 359? It was the case of a...
'choice' ; either he or the actors would be there. Who do you think the
attendees would rather see?
Now for those who are crying 'Wolf!' literally, unless they have physical
evidence of Wolf's unlawful behaviour, I would strongly suggest they shut up,
thus acting in a responsible way. Or is everybody intent on carrying on
slandering until being done for it?
Since someone brought up the ITB business; wasn't Warner Bros. Home Video UK
to blame for charging for tickets, as opposed to Wolf 359?
And before anyone makes any guesses about me; no, I'm not a stooge, nor am I
affiliated with any parties involved. Some people have a mind of their own,
and I am one of them. I am just a lurker 'coming out of the woodwork' making
comments after seeing so much nonsense.
Cheers
john
gerard...@my-dejanews.com
pa...@harper.NOSPAMnet wrote:
> Not really, Shaun. I let Keating out of my killfile to see if he'd grown a
> brain stem yet.
I keep trying to grow one, but Brian keeps taking it away, he sayes i don't
need one, and it will only confuse me..
Gerard
Gerard Keating
Paul Harper wrote in message <36b3eee3....@news.demon.co.uk>...
>gerard...@my-dejanews.com said :
>
>Well done Gerard - I knew you'd make me laugh today.
>
>Ta
>
my pleasure.
cheers
Gerard
Paul Harper
<gerard...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>my pleasure.
No - all mine, I assure you.
Paul.
Paul Harper
>Without having to give any names, and to give two in example contributing to
>the slander; didn't someone who now runs conventions used Wolf as a stepping
>stone, stabbing a few people in the back along the way?
>
>Is someone else still making and selling unlicensed B5 merchandising?
To both questions, the answer is "probably". However, no regular
posters to this group fit those descriptions. Certainly neither
description fits either Sarah or me, since she does not make B5
merchandise of any sort whatsoever, and neither of us run conventions.
If you're thinking of someone in particular, then name them. Don't
hide behind innuendo and supposition.
>Who do you think the attendees would rather see?
No contest. JMS every time. Attendances prove this (as witnessed by
the almost totally empty halls at VOR which he didn't attend)
>unless they have physical evidence of Wolf's unlawful behaviour, I would
>strongly suggest they shut up
Who mentioned Wolf? Cooney is not "Wolf". Cooney was VOR. Please get
your facts right.
>Since someone brought up the ITB business; wasn't Warner Bros. Home Video UK
>to blame for charging for tickets, as opposed to Wolf 359?
I believe that was clarified some time ago - which part don't you
understand?
>And before anyone makes any guesses about me
No guessing needed.
Paul.
Paul Harper
<lar...@trym.candleweb.no> wrote:
>Oh well then I'll settle for a pint, if that's fine with you. :)
It's in the post. :-)
Paul.
Mark Sinclair
> Just saw what this thread's about. Secon posting as first didn't come
> through.... Interestingly enough
>
> There is a name for what some posters have been saying here; it's called
> slander. Unsurprisingly, those posts come from the same people who seem to
> attack Wolf 359 in general and Mr Cooney in particular, any chance they get.
> You would have thought some would refrain from such practice as their
> behaviour is less than exemplary.
>
It is only slander when it isn't true. Do you know whether what has been
accused is true or not?
> Without having to give any names, and to give two in example contributing to
> the slander; didn't someone who now runs conventions used Wolf as a stepping
> stone, stabbing a few people in the back along the way?
>
> Is someone else still making and selling unlicensed B5 merchandising?
>
Why do feel you can't name names? Is this to avoid slander on your part?
> As for Mr Straczynski, it seems he is still feeding his personal grievances
> with Mr Cooney whenever possible. I would have thought he was busy writing a
> new series... Or did writer's block strike?
Looks to me that he was looking out for the actors if you ask me, and
making it known that British fandom might be getting itself a bad name.
That's how I read it, but you say he's lying and just bearing a grudge
against Mr Cooney.
> Does anyone honestly think that if the actors attending VOR had a problem
> with the mentioned payments, they wouldn't speak out for themselves?
I imagine they might not want to risk not ever getting paid. JMS has
little to lose by speaking out for them as he has a nice regular job
unlike most actors.
> Ask the few who haven't already been paid in full if they didn't agree to
> deferred payments. It is also very unlikely that they would have Mr
> Straczynski fight their battle for them, as he would be the last person
> they would turn to for help; see how many of the original
> B5 cast are willing to go near the man, after the way they have been treated.
I would assume deferred payment would be paid soon after the con? So if
they have yet to receive payment they have lost out. How has JMS badly
treated all the cast? This is obviously something I have missed, either
that or you're doing your own bit of slandering.
> This has so far been for public knowledge. Why do you think B5's creator
> wasn't at VOR, apart from his version that he wouldn't have anything to do
> with cons ran by anyone involved with Wolf 359? It was the case of a...
> 'choice' ; either he or the actors would be there. Who do you think the
> attendees would rather see?
>
I think they would rather see them all. At the two Wolf359s I've attended,
1996 and 1997 JMS' talks were the most popular. I didn't go to the 1998
con because JMS wasn't there, but I do know that for the majority of fans
his presence wasn't as important.
> Now for those who are crying 'Wolf!' literally, unless they have physical
> evidence of Wolf's unlawful behaviour, I would strongly suggest they shut up,
> thus acting in a responsible way. Or is everybody intent on carrying on
> slandering until being done for it?
>
Is that some kind of threat, because I think that 'everybody' is going to
carry on.
> Since someone brought up the ITB business; wasn't Warner Bros. Home Video UK
> to blame for charging for tickets, as opposed to Wolf 359?
>
This was all played out here. When it came down to it, the only real
problem people here had with this was that Wolf did not make a public
announcement to the newsgroup explaining anything, even if it was only
to say that they couldn't say anything for legal reasons.
> And before anyone makes any guesses about me; no, I'm not a stooge, nor am I
> affiliated with any parties involved. Some people have a mind of their own,
> and I am one of them. I am just a lurker 'coming out of the woodwork' making
> comments after seeing so much nonsense.
>
So I assume we shall here more from you then. How do you know so much
about how things were run at Vorcon BTW?
--
Mark Sinclair
Phil Wheatley
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:12:08 GMT, john...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Just saw what this thread's about. Secon posting as first didn't come
>through.... Interestingly enough
>
Bollocks! Dejanews profiles you as having posted exactly once on any
subject at anytime ever.
You don't appear to have much to say do you?
( You appear to be a Demon account holder though. Their news server
not good enough for you, or is it the anonymity of Dejanews that you
seek?)
_If_ you made an earlier attempt (which I seriously doubt), it would
appear not to have left your keyboard.
Don't try and kid on. We've heard it all before.
>There is a name for what some posters have been saying here; it's called
>slander. Unsurprisingly, those posts come from the same people who seem to
>attack Wolf 359 in general and Mr Cooney in particular, any chance they get.
>You would have thought some would refrain from such practice as their
>behaviour is less than exemplary.
>
>Without having to give any names, and to give two in example contributing to
>the slander; didn't someone who now runs conventions used Wolf as a stepping
>stone, stabbing a few people in the back along the way?
Plonk! Congratulations, you have generously fallen into the kind of
behaviour you apparently abhor, so that we may be mightily amused at
your hypocrisy.
>
>Is someone else still making and selling unlicensed B5 merchandising?
>
Who did you have in mind? Remember, by your own argument you must be
able to categorically _prove_ copyright infringement with 'physical
evidence' before you name names, or your behaviour will be less than
exemplary.
>As for Mr Straczynski, it seems he is still feeding his personal grievances
>with Mr Cooney whenever possible. I would have thought he was busy writing a
>new series... Or did writer's block strike? Does anyone honestly think that
>if the actors attending VOR had a problem with the mentioned payments, they
>wouldn't speak out for themselves? Ask the few who haven't already been paid
>in full if they didn't agree to deferred payments. It is also very unlikely
>that they would have Mr Straczynski fight their battle for them, as he would
>be the last person they would turn to for help; see how many of the original
>B5 cast are willing to go near the man, after the way they have been treated.
>This has so far been for public knowledge. Why do you think B5's creator
>wasn't at VOR, apart from his version that he wouldn't have anything to do
>with cons ran by anyone involved with Wolf 359? It was the case of a...
>'choice' ; either he or the actors would be there. Who do you think the
>attendees would rather see?
>
You appear to be suffering from fevered ramblings. Please explain your
conncetion to the VOR organisation that gives you such insight into
the payment arrangements. Please also explain your comments about
actors shunning JMS in the light of the several who have guested, or
agreed to guest in Crusade.
>Now for those who are crying 'Wolf!' literally, unless they have physical
>evidence of Wolf's unlawful behaviour, I would strongly suggest they shut up,
>thus acting in a responsible way. Or is everybody intent on carrying on
>slandering until being done for it?
>
Patience dear boy, all in good time.
>Since someone brought up the ITB business; wasn't Warner Bros. Home Video UK
>to blame for charging for tickets, as opposed to Wolf 359?
<Springer> Don't even go there </Springer>
>
>And before anyone makes any guesses about me; no, I'm not a stooge, nor am I
>affiliated with any parties involved. Some people have a mind of their own,
>and I am one of them. I am just a lurker 'coming out of the woodwork' making
>comments after seeing so much nonsense.
>
>
And adding more of you own it seems. Why does someone with a mind of
their own never post anything to the newsgroups. Surely if you are
proud of this independance of thought you would wish to demonstrate it
by more frequent participation in discussions.
Or is your assertion of impartiality, like so much of your post, utter
crap?
--
"Every body is a book of blood; Wherever we're opened we're red."
- Clive Barker
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Alison Hopkins
Paul Harper wrote in message <36b3dbc...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:12:08 GMT, john...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>Without having to give any names, and to give two in example contributing
to
>>the slander; didn't someone who now runs conventions used Wolf as a
stepping
>>stone, stabbing a few people in the back along the way?
>>
>
>posters to this group fit those descriptions. Certainly neither
>description fits either Sarah or me, since she does not make B5
>merchandise of any sort whatsoever, and neither of us run conventions.
>
Well, I run cons and I'm a regular poster. :) But I don't think the
description is me, neither.
However, given that I've been doing this since 1982, when Brian was, I think
ten, I guess I can claim to have a little history on this. Kim, my
co-thingie, ran her first in 1980, and helped with them in the late 70's.
Our London Group has been going since 92, so that predates Wolf etc. too.
In fact, I've run or co-run about forty events, including being committee
for a Worldcon. Wolf, of course, predates Brian - it was set up by Janet
Lawn and chums in I think, 94 and I believe Brian's first involvement was in
95. Janet and many other Wolf people stewarded at our UFP and other cons,
and were other forms of staff as well. We believe in encouraging newcomer
and anyone interested to help at a con. Indeed, Brian himself sent a first
timers form back for our UFP 94, so that (according to his own record!) was
his first ever con that he attended. We (London Group) actually helped with
a couple of things with Wolf in the early days; when Michael O'Hare was at
the Connaught, we paid for him to come over, fee, fare and exes.
Ali