I am still around
Dr. A.E. Feliciano, Jr.
answer any of your questions.
Dr. Antonio Espinosa Feliciano, Jr.
Dr Bogus
> This is just to let you know that I am
> still around and still willing to
> answer any of your questions.
1) Why did you claim 100% cure rates, when you knew
that to be utterly false?
2) What is the outcome of the court action against
your father? (Hey, I'm interested!)
3) Is it true you struggled to pass your basic
medical exams, and had to write them 3 times,
as your father claims?
4) What makes you think you have anything at all
to offer the CP population - anything we
can't already get from proper urologists
like Dr Shoskes who are educated enough
to find any number of possible urological
conditions you'd never dream of?
Oh, welcome back, by the way!
Bruce
>4) What makes you think you have anything at all
> to offer the CP population - anything we
> can't already get from proper urologists?
I've had five "proper urologists" over 20 years time. If they had so much
more to offer, what am I still doing here?
Bruce
Gretchen Anonymous Remailer
I agree with you, Bruce. Urologists have a dismal record on CP, and don't we
all know it! But research is underway, and guess who's performing the
research? Why yes, it's "proper urologists"! With them does our hope lie,
not with one-trick ponies with iffy credentials from far-flung
third-worldish islands.
The point I'm making here is that young Dr Feliciano has nothing to offer us
that we cannot already get on better authority from our own specialist
urologists. The various uros who have posted here over the last year or two
have been at pains to point out that if the only tool you have is a hammer,
every problem starts to look like a nail. There are many conditions that can
plague the male pelvic region, and urologists have spent many years learning
to diagnose them, not struggling to pass their basic final exams in medicine
(as happened with the Filipino general practitioner under discussion).
Elsewhere someone pointed out how heavily and generously Dr ANF, the father,
has contributed to this group - "far more than any other doctor" was the
phrase, I think. Well, speaking personally, I find the sparse but telling
contributions from the urologists we have monitoring this group infinitely
preferable to the logorrheic, monomaniacal and repetitive harangues we
suffered from Dr ANF. It's a case of quality being preferred to quantity.
Bruce
>> If they had so much more to offer, what am I still doing here?
>
>I agree with you, Bruce. Urologists have a dismal record on CP, and don't
we
>all know it! But research is underway, and guess who's performing the
>research? Why yes, it's "proper urologists"! With them does our hope lie,
>not with one-trick ponies with iffy credentials from far-flung
>third-worldish islands.
>
Additional research will undoubtedly reveal more and better treatment
options. In my view that's the easy part once more money starts to flow. I
think the harder part will be to get rank-and-file urologists at the patient
care level to pay attention to and buy into what the research reveals.
For years I've been wondered why urologists seemed to me to be a very
different breed in terms of 'bedside manner' as compared to the various
internists, allergists, fampracs, pediatricians, cardiologists and
neurologists I have encountered when there were treating me or family
members. Then a few months ago I became a patient of a new internist in
town while I was in the middle of an acute prostatitis bout. I was impressed
with her and on a follow-up visit I asked her to take over treatment of the
ongoing prostate difficulties.
Her answer (no) and her explanation surpassed me. I had assumed that
internists routinely shared with urologists the same kind of complimentary
team roles that they and other medical (diagnosis and non-surgical)
subspecialties do with many other types of surgeons. For example
cardiologists & cardiac surgeons; neurologists & neurosurgeons and in
particular internists as 'generalized' specialists in tandem with
potentially most surgical specialties.
What she told me was that this traditional medical/surgical teaming was not
traditionally followed regarding uro-genital disorders. In this area (and
maybe a few others) the urologists handled both the medical and the
surgical treatment of the same patient. (Although strangely enough, kidneys
are fair game for internists. Go figure)
Then it hit me. The reason urologists seem so often seem ill at ease and
distant in the exam room is that, unlike the internists and other
specialists I'd routinely seen for office visits, their training (and
probably their professional identity) was largely in the operating room, not
the examining room except for limited-term surgical follow-ups.
One reason why surgeons go that route in the first place is that their
personalities and preferences make them move toward working in an area
relatively light in long-term personal patient contact. Yet here they were,
"stuck" with treating chronic medical patients like us whom they can't fix
with surgery, unschooled and relatively inexperienced in patient
schmoozing in the way that internists, etc. are. Maybe somewhat lacking in
the empathy that would all them to understand that pain is something to be
treated and cured if possible, and not just an unavoidable but necessary
factor as it is for surgical patients,
Bruce
dctest Anonymous Remailer
> I think the harder part will be to get rank-and-file
> urologists at the patient care level to pay attention
> to and buy into what the research reveals.
Yes, a lot of them do seem to be out of touch with recent research. Dr
Shoskes, inter alia, is an exception of course, as are the other uros who
post here, and many ordinary practising uros who take the time to read the
journals to which they (hopefully) subscribe.
> For years I've been wondered why urologists seemed to me
> to be a very different breed in terms of 'bedside manner'
> as compared to the various internists, allergists, etc
It's the emphasis on surgery, undoubtedly. I also had a strange comment from
a close personal friend of mine, a medical specialist in another field, who
said that urologists are considered to be at the bottom of the medical
hierarchy. I don't know what he meant and never explored it further. It
could mean that, *in general terms*, a lower calibre of person is attracted
to the specialty. Training places in the more desirable specialties are
quickly snapped up by the better qualified candidates. This is a general
statement, and of course there is an elite in the urological field as well.
It is important to try to be treated by these 'top' people if you have a
difficult condition like CP. Or, like me, just abandon urologists and rely
on your own intelligence to maintain your health.
Re your female internist - she may have been gently getting rid of you. It
is not unethical to disencumber yourself of a patient who or whose condition
you do not wish to treat. Just a possiblity.
Nobody
dctest Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>> I think the harder part will be to get rank-and-file
>> urologists at the patient care level to pay attention
>> to and buy into what the research reveals.
> Yes, a lot of them do seem to be out of touch with recent research. Dr
> Shoskes, inter alia, is an exception of course, as are the other uros who
> post here, and many ordinary practising uros who take the time to read the
> journals to which they (hopefully) subscribe.
How to get a sly smile on your face: When I first saw my urologist,
I walked into his office and noticed an article he had been reading,
laid out on his table. The article was written by Dr. Shoskes and
someone else (I forget the other person)! Needless to say,
the first impression was positive.
The downside: he's booked four weeks into the future for appointments,
so its a good thing I'm not in any pain (i.e., I can wait the four
weeks). I guess the four-week wait may very well be diagnostic of
the guy's talent. Overall, though, I'd have to agree that his
social skills were below the median with other physicians I
deal with.
Drew
Dave Trissel
<pros...@MNL.SEQUEL.NET> wrote:
>This is just to let you know that I am still around and still willing to
>answer any of your questions.
>
>Dr. Antonio Espinosa Feliciano, Jr.
The mailing headers on the above post show it to be an obvious forgery
in that it tries to look like it came from Dr. A. E. Feliciano. One of
the dead giveaways is this header line from the post:
Message-ID: <B0001...@mail.qinet.net>
showing it originated from the same Internet Service Provider used by
Dr. A. N. Fecliciano. Dr. A. E. Feliciano uses sequal.net but the
message originated from qinet.net.
Squizzly
one trick more than the highly vaunted "Medical Community" had before he came
along. What's more, Dr. Feliciano's technique is probably close to 100%
effective in ridding the prostate of bacteria. I think after the prostate is
cleared out, almost all the symptoms come from the seminal vesicles. Two recent
studies, one by Turkish urologists and one by Dr. Alexander, as well as the
older stuff from Dr. Tarfusser illustrate how vulnerable these organs are to
chronic problems. Discovering a way to clear infection out of the prostate is
no small achievement. Thank you Dr. Feliciano!!!
dctest Anonymous Remailer
Isn't it about time these people took their fucking family quarrel
permanently off this board?
If Dr ANF has fallen so low that he is prepared to forge posts then he
shouldn't be handing out advice on Usenet to sick people, he should be
seeing a psychiatrist. He should also be disbarred by the Phillipines
Medical Board - someone please report him. Maybe I will.
This demented behaviour on his part justifies all the harshly negative
things I have said about him in the past. May I say: I told you so.
It is also a terrible blow to his theories, which were weakly copied by his
son. If the theories held any real water, he would never be forced to stoop
so low and blacken his name in this way.
Thank you, Dave, for pointing out this forgery. I should have seen it - I
must have been half asleep.
Let me stand on my anonymous soapbox and shout:
HEY, LISTEN UP!
DON'T SPEND MONEY PURSUING THE BOGUS MASSAGE AND ANTIBIOTIC "CURE"
DON'T BOTHER READING POSTS BY THE FELICIANOS
DON'T GO NEAR TUCSON - IT'S MORE OF THE SAME JUJU MAGIC
DON'T SWALLOW ALL YOU READ AT PROSTATE.ORG - IT'S MORE OF THE SAME, ALBEIT
WELL-MEANT
ANTIBIOTICS CAN ACT AS ANTI-INFLAMMATORIES, SO WHEN THEY MAKE YOU
FEEL BETTER FOR A WHILE IT'S NOT THEIR ANTIBACTERIAL ACTION
http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=371551315
THERE ARE NO CURES FOR CHRONIC PROSTATITIS, ONLY MANAGEMENT PROTOCOLS
dctest Anonymous Remailer
Nancy <jew...@ix.netcom.com> wrote ...
>
> Hmmmmmm...........Well I was told that there were
> no "cures" for Interstitial Cystitis yet here I am
> cured.
And yet you still haunt Usenet medical groups ...hmmmm ..
strange behaviour for a "cured" person. In Dr Laura's words,
why don't you "go take on the day"? Or maybe you aren't as
cured as you'd have us think?
> And geesh, antibiotics were an important part of making
> that happen. Gee I guess I must have done something wrong.
Abx can powerfully de-inflame - as I've been at pains to
demonstrate in numerous posts and references. Too bad you
can't seem to join the dots.
> If I had just listened to posts like this I could
> still be sick and suffering. Goodness what can I
> do to get back to my sick and "feel like I'm dying"
> old self?
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
>
> "The time when you need to do something is when no
> one else is willing to do it, when people are saying
> that it can't be done." --- Mary Frances Berry
Isn't it time you changed this tired .sig file?
Fergus McClelland
>Nancy wrote:
>
>
>For info I did not repost this. An anonymous poster well known for
>harassment is making feeble attempts to discourage any discourse from me
>on both this newsgroup and an IC newsgroup.
>
>Nancy
>
Ignore him as well as you can Nancy. Those who know you, and have been
helped by you will do likewise.