Who will co-sign this? (Request to de-peer Telstra.net.)
Lysander Spooner
digex
ne...@digex.net
newsfeed.berkeley.edu
use...@agate.berkeley.edu
newsfeed.cwix.com
ne...@cw.net
worldfeed.news.gte.net
ne...@gte.net
bofh.vszbr.cz
use...@news.inet.tele.dk
newsfeed.dacom.co.kr
ne...@bora.net
newspeer.monmouth.com
sysa...@shell.monmouth.com
Dear Usenet Administrator;
We the undersigned (news admins, despammers, newsgroup moderators and
concerned netizens) respectfully request that you terminate your
news-peering arrangement with Telstra Corporation Limited
(telstra.net.)
Telstra's servers have been the leading source of Usenet spam for
months. Many people have tried to contact them about the problem,
many times. Telstra does not reply, and the spam flood continues.
According to the daily statistics from the Spam Hippo:
Date Rank Server Total Spam %Spam
981121 8 *.telstra.net 3692 3665 99
981122 6 *.telstra.net 3396 3369 99
981123 15 *.telstra.net 1509 1474 98
981124 9 *.telstra.net 2008 1964 98
981125 7 *.telstra.net 3364 3321 99
981126 3 *.telstra.net 4750 4684 99
981127 2 *.telstra.net 11551 11509 100
981128 4 *.telstra.net 3126 3096 99
981129 3 *.telstra.net 4815 4626 96
981130 5 *.telstra.net 3234 3204 99
981201 42 *.telstra.net 534 505 95
981202 4 *.telstra.net 4700 4672 99
981203 3 *.telstra.net 6319 6319 100
981204 2 *.telstra.net 8728 8728 100
981205 2 *.telstra.net 10026 10026 100
981206 1 *.telstra.net 12804 12804 100
981207 8 *.telstra.net 3846 3846 100
981208 2 *.telstra.net 8981 8981 100
981209 1 *.telstra.net 7676 7676 100
981210 1 *.telstra.net 8454 8454 100
981211 9 *.telstra.net 1289 1247 97
981213 2 *.telstra.net 8337 8337 100
981214 1 *.telstra.net 8112 8112 100
981215 8 *.telstra.net 1396 1328 95
981216 1 *.telstra.net 8338 8338 100
There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
Telstra. Many major news-sites refuse any article that has a Telstra
server in the path. It's time to evict Telstra from Usenet once and
for all.
De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
-- Signed --
Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Henrietta K. Thomas
buch...@cybernex.net (Lysander Spooner) wrote:
<well done>
>De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
>
>Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Henrietta K. Thomas (usa...@wwa.com)
Arjan Hulsebos
Lysander Spooner <buch...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>
>De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
>
>Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
--
Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998!
Arjan Hulsebos -- arj...@cs.vu.nl
For more info (last updated October 22,1998): finger -l arj...@top.cs.vu.nl
Douglas Mackall
Hash: SHA1
In article <367ab4e9...@209.242.64.104>, Lysander Spooner
buch...@cybernex.net says...
> De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
>
> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Douglas Mackall <spam...@pacbell.net>
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: >Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
: Henrietta K. Thomas (usa...@wwa.com)
Howard Knight (how...@connectnet.com)
uni...@sputum.com
Spooner) wrote:
:TO: Peers of Telstra.net
:
:digex
: ne...@digex.net
:newsfeed.berkeley.edu
: use...@agate.berkeley.edu
:newsfeed.cwix.com
: ne...@cw.net
:worldfeed.news.gte.net
: ne...@gte.net
:bofh.vszbr.cz
: use...@news.inet.tele.dk
:newsfeed.dacom.co.kr
: ne...@bora.net
:newspeer.monmouth.com
: sysa...@shell.monmouth.com
:
:CC: newsm...@nico.telstra.net
:
:
:Dear Usenet Administrator;
:
:We the undersigned (news admins, despammers, newsgroup moderators and
:concerned netizens) respectfully request that you terminate your
:news-peering arrangement with Telstra Corporation Limited
:(telstra.net.)
<clip chart>
:There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
:Telstra. Many major news-sites refuse any article that has a Telstra
:server in the path. It's time to evict Telstra from Usenet once and
:for all.
:
:De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
:
: -- Signed --
:
:Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Eric Guy (unit24) uni...@sputum.com
lsimo...@my-dejanews.com
As much as I hate to criticize one of the few on-topic threads on
nanau these days -
Wouldn't we be better served with a web site where we could
sign on or an address Using voting software to capture names and
address?
--
Leo Simonetta
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Andrew Gierth
Lysander> TO: Peers of Telstra.net
[...]
Lysander> Dear Usenet Administrator;
Lysander> We the undersigned (news admins, despammers, newsgroup
Lysander> moderators and concerned netizens) respectfully request
Lysander> that you terminate your news-peering arrangement with
Lysander> Telstra Corporation Limited (telstra.net.)
[...]
Lysander> -- Signed --
Lysander> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Andrew Gierth <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>
--
Andrew.
Lysander Spooner
Spooner) wrote:
Just to update, I've also gotten some co-signers by email (hey!
lurkers support me in email!).
I'll be appending the sigs to the original message and sending it off
about noon tomorrow (Saturday). So it's not too late to add your
voice to the request.
I figure on BCC'ing a copy to all signatories. Is that okay with
everybody? If not let me know.
-- Rick
------------
** De-Peer Telstra! **
Scarlett, the spam fighting cat
Henrietta K. Thomas wrote:
>
> In news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, on Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:53:51 GMT,
> buch...@cybernex.net (Lysander Spooner) wrote:
>
> <well done>
>
> >De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
> >
> > -- Signed --
> >
> >Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
> Henrietta K. Thomas (usa...@wwa.com)
Charles Demas
Lysander Spooner <buch...@cybernex.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:53:51 GMT, buch...@cybernex.net (Lysander
>Spooner) wrote:
>
>Just to update, I've also gotten some co-signers by email (hey!
>lurkers support me in email!).
>
>I'll be appending the sigs to the original message and sending it off
>about noon tomorrow (Saturday). So it's not too late to add your
>voice to the request.
>
>I figure on BCC'ing a copy to all signatories. Is that okay with
>everybody? If not let me know.
>
>-- Rick
>------------
>** De-Peer Telstra! **
Hey, I'll sign, not that it will mean much, since I'm just a vocal
user.
Chuck Demas
Needham, Mass.
[posted and emailed]
--
Eat Healthy | _ _ | Nothing would be done at all,
Stay Fit | @ @ | If a man waited to do it so well,
Die Anyway | v | That no one could find fault with it.
de...@tiac.net | \___/ | http://www.tiac.net/users/demas
Unknown News Administrator
>There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
>Telstra. Many major news-sites refuse any article that has a Telstra
>server in the path. It's time to evict Telstra from Usenet once and
>for all.
>De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
I'm a-signin'.
I've aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net here for over a week now.
--
J. Porter Clark, d/b/a
+--+
|oo| The Unknown News Administrator
| | ne...@news.msfc.nasa.gov
`^^'
Holmey
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Stephanie Smith
(Lysander Spooner) wrote:
> -- Signed --
>
> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Stephanie Smith (mspo...@mtcc.com)
--
Stephanie Smith ------------------------- mspo...@mtcc.com
"It just goes to show: travel's the thing." - Candide
Nate Shockey
<snip>
> De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
>
> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Nate Shockey (unde...@flash.net)
--
Nate Shockey
Chief Systems Administrator - FlashNet Communications
David Ritz
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:53:51 GMT, Lysander Spooner wrote:
: TO: Peers of Telstra.net
:
: digex
: ne...@digex.net
: newsfeed.berkeley.edu
: use...@agate.berkeley.edu
: newsfeed.cwix.com
: ne...@cw.net
: worldfeed.news.gte.net
: ne...@gte.net
: bofh.vszbr.cz
: use...@news.inet.tele.dk
: newsfeed.dacom.co.kr
: ne...@bora.net
: newspeer.monmouth.com
: sysa...@shell.monmouth.com
:
: CC: newsm...@nico.telstra.net
:
:
: Dear Usenet Administrator;
:
: We the undersigned (news admins, despammers, newsgroup moderators and
: concerned netizens) respectfully request that you terminate your
: news-peering arrangement with Telstra Corporation Limited
: (telstra.net.)
:
: Telstra's servers have been the leading source of Usenet spam for
: months. Many people have tried to contact them about the problem,
: many times. Telstra does not reply, and the spam flood continues.
:
: According to the daily statistics from the Spam Hippo:
Within the past 5 weeks, of 159536 Usenet posts, not one from any
MERLIN.NET.AU IP address has not been EMP spam, as indicated in
the following summary.
========================================================================
Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
<http://www.spamhippo.com>
Date n/100 Source Total Spam %spam KBytes
========================================================================
1998.11.10 36 203.20.229.0 330 330 100 402
1998.11.12 2 203.20.229.0 3216 3216 100 4005
1998.11.12 13 203.20.228.0 1036 1036 100 1280
1998.11.13 5 203.20.228.0 1385 1385 100 1763
1998.11.14 3 203.20.228.0 3195 3195 100 3957
1998.11.15 3 203.20.228.0 2633 2633 100 3226
1998.11.15 11 203.20.229.0 1278 1278 100 1571
1998.11.16 3 203.20.228.0 3148 3148 100 3966
1998.11.16 6 203.20.229.0 1917 1917 100 2387
1998.11.17 6 203.20.229.0 1916 1916 100 2380
1998.11.17 10 203.20.228.0 1196 1196 100 1495
1998.11.18 8 203.20.228.0 1537 1537 100 1943
1998.11.19 5 203.20.229.0 4821 4821 100 6119
1998.11.20 8 203.20.228.0 2088 2088 100 2608
1998.11.21 8 203.20.229.0 1913 1913 100 2394
1998.11.21 11 203.20.228.0 1752 1752 100 2166
1998.11.22 7 203.20.228.0 2764 2764 100 3284
1998.11.22 36 203.20.229.0 605 605 100 757
1998.11.23 15 203.20.228.0 1273 1273 100 1584
1998.11.23 78 203.20.229.0 201 201 100 247
1998.11.24 7 203.20.228.0 1964 1964 100 2461
1998.11.25 7 203.20.229.0 3320 3320 100 4172
1998.11.26 6 203.20.229.0 3185 3185 100 4004
1998.11.27 13 203.20.229.0 1271 1271 100 1593
1998.11.28 22 203.20.229.0 634 634 100 797
1998.11.29 3 203.20.229.0 4625 4625 100 5749
1998.11.30 2 203.20.229.0 3203 3203 100 4048
1998.12.01 33 203.20.229.0 504 504 100 641
1998.12.02 3 203.20.229.0 4672 4672 100 5820
1998.12.03 3 203.20.229.0 6289 6289 100 7769
1998.12.04 2 203.20.229.0 8727 8727 100 10896
1998.12.05 2 203.20.229.0 10025 10025 100 12383
1998.12.06 1 203.20.229.0 12802 12802 100 15642
1998.12.07 9 203.20.229.0 1954 1954 100 2401
1998.12.07 10 203.20.228.0 1892 1892 100 2305
1998.12.08 2 203.20.229.0 8933 8933 100 11030
1998.12.09 1 203.20.229.0 7676 7676 100 3938
1998.12.10 1 203.20.229.0 8427 8427 100 44
1998.12.11 9 203.20.229.0 1246 1246 100 3
1998.12.13 2 203.20.229.0 4494 4494 100 27
1998.12.13 4 203.20.228.0 3843 3843 100 14
1998.12.14 1 203.20.229.0 8102 8102 100 37
1998.12.15 5 203.20.229.0 1323 1323 100 6
1998.12.16 1 203.20.229.0 8325 8325 100 19
1998.12.17 3 203.20.229.0 3896 3896 100 14
========================================================================
Total: 159536 159536 143347
Average: 9 3545 3545 100 3185
========================================================================
As the spam flowing from MERLIN.NET.AU, spamming MERLIN.NET.AU
hosted sites, makes up nearly 100% of the all posts to
VIC.NNTP.TELSTRA.NET, nearly 100% of all articles being propagated
from this server are also nearly 100% EMP spam.
========================================================================
Top 100 Sites identified by Ultra/Spam Hippo Despam
<http://www.spamhippo.com>
Date n/100 Source Total Spam %spam KBytes
========================================================================
1998.11.10 55 vic.nntp.telstra.net 383 330 86 402
1998.11.12 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 4306 4252 99 5286
1998.11.13 11 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1417 1385 98 1763
1998.11.14 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3235 3195 99 3957
1998.11.15 4 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3947 3911 99 4797
1998.11.16 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 5238 5074 97 6354
1998.11.17 3 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3220 3130 97 3899
1998.11.18 11 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1584 1538 97 1944
1998.11.19 5 vic.nntp.telstra.net 5027 4969 99 6307
1998.11.20 14 vic.nntp.telstra.net 2115 2089 99 2610
1998.11.21 9 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3692 3665 99 4560
1998.11.22 7 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3396 3369 99 4041
1998.11.23 16 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1509 1474 98 1832
1998.11.24 9 vic.nntp.telstra.net 2008 1964 98 2461
1998.11.25 6 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3364 3321 99 4173
1998.11.26 4 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3230 3185 99 4004
1998.11.27 17 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1314 1272 97 1594
1998.11.28 28 vic.nntp.telstra.net 657 634 96 797
1998.11.29 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 4815 4626 96 5750
1998.11.30 5 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3234 3204 99 4050
1998.12.01 44 vic.nntp.telstra.net 534 505 95 642
1998.12.02 4 vic.nntp.telstra.net 4700 4672 99 5820
1998.12.03 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 6319 6319 100 7788
1998.12.04 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8728 8728 100 10897
1998.12.05 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 10026 10026 100 12384
1998.12.06 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 12804 12804 100 15646
1998.12.07 8 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3846 3846 100 4706
1998.12.08 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8981 8981 100 12112
1998.12.09 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 7676 7676 100 3938
1998.12.10 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8454 8454 100 44
1998.12.11 9 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1289 1247 97 3
1998.12.13 2 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8337 8337 100 41
1998.12.14 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8112 8112 100 37
1998.12.15 8 vic.nntp.telstra.net 1396 1328 95 8
1998.12.16 1 vic.nntp.telstra.net 8338 8338 100 19
1998.12.17 3 vic.nntp.telstra.net 3899 3899 100 18
========================================================================
Total: 161130 159859 144684
Average: 8 4476 4441 99 4019
========================================================================
: De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
:
: -- Signed --
:
: Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
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Nate Shockey
<snip>
> De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
>
> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Nate Shockey (unde...@flash.net)
--
Nate Shockey
Chief Systems Administrator - FlashNet Communications
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From: Nate Shockey <unde...@flash.net>
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.slack,alt.religion.scientology,soc.culture.jewish,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: cmsg cancel <367ADA2E...@flash.net>
Control: cancel <367ADA2E...@flash.net>
Date: 19 Dec 1998 13:23:40 GMT
Organization: Czech Pedophiles in Denmark
Lines: 2
Approved: pedop...@vszbr.cz
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-43-99.tus.primenet.com
X-Complaints-To: ab...@globalcenter.net
X-Posted-By: @206.165.43.99 (mmpitts)
X-No-Archive: Pedophiles
Pedophile: Barry Bouwsma
Pedophiles: Barry Bouwsma & Friends
BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!
Stephanie Smith
> -- Signed --
>
> Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Stephanie Smith (mspo...@mtcc.com)
--
Stephanie Smith ------------------------- mspo...@mtcc.com
"It just goes to show: travel's the thing." - Candide
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.slack,alt.religion.scientology,soc.culture.jewish,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: cmsg cancel <mspompom-ya0240800...@news.portal.ca>
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Date: 19 Dec 1998 13:23:54 GMT
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Holmey
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From: fap...@cdmnet.com (Holmey)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.slack,alt.religion.scientology,soc.culture.jewish,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
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BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL
> concerned netizens) respectfully request that you terminate your
> news-peering arrangement with Telstra Corporation Limited
> According to the daily statistics from the Spam Hippo:
>
> Date Rank Server Total Spam %Spam
> 981121 8 *.telstra.net 3692 3665 99
Aieee!@ Tab damage! Three thousand percent spam, yow! carry on...
> 981215 8 *.telstra.net 1396 1328 95
> 981216 1 *.telstra.net 8338 8338 100
>
> There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
> Telstra.
Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
just like Tele danmarQ Internet, with your typical attitude of "We're
the phone company, we don't have to care", just like Tele danmarQ
Internet, but at least the last few days of Hippo reports have only
shown the Victoria news swerver. Perhaps the percentage of non-spam
posts from their other machines is somewhat higher? Anyone with an
idea about this? I also see what appear at least superficially to be
a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
before leaving for a holiday some two weeks ago, and I've gone ahead
and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
unless I find evidence that would affect a significant number of valid
posts that would be spared by simply dropping Victoria on the floor.
> De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
Hey, think of all the bandwidth I'd save! I mean, it's not as if
Australia is next door or anything...
(Disclaimer: I'm not the one who set up this peering, and there are
other people with access to the news swerver whose peering philosophies
differ radically from mine, such that I have taken actions in direct
opposition to their plans, and they to mine.)
Jim Rusling
>TO: Peers of Telstra.net
>
jrus...@mindspring.com
Jim Rusling
Mustang Information Services
Mustang, OK
Lysander Spooner
<pedop...@vszbr.cz> wrote:
>> There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
>> Telstra.
>
>Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
>just like Tele danmarQ Internet, with your typical attitude of "We're
>the phone company, we don't have to care", just like Tele danmarQ
>Internet, but at least the last few days of Hippo reports have only
>shown the Victoria news swerver. Perhaps the percentage of non-spam
>posts from their other machines is somewhat higher?
Maybe losing all their peers will motivate the guys who run those
other machimes to "educate" the guy who runs the Victoria machine.
(I'm thinking of the kind of "education" that requires introducing Mr.
Vice-grips to Mr. Testicles.)
>Anyone with an
>idea about this? I also see what appear at least superficially to be
>a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
No problem. The people on that list of peers should pair off and peer
with each other. After all, that transit traffic is coming from the
other guys on that list. Just cut out the middleman -- one that
insists on being a mega-spam-injection-point.
>Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
>before leaving for a holiday some two weeks ago,
Are you sure? From where I was looking yesteday, you were the
primary conduit for the vic.nntp spam. Lots and lots. YMMV.
>and I've gone ahead
>and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
>unless I find evidence that would affect a significant number of valid
>posts that would be spared by simply dropping Victoria on the floor.
Sounds good. Keep us posted.
-- Rick
Christopher Biow
>... De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
>
> -- Signed --
Christopher Biow (bi...@ezmort.com)
misc.kids.moderated robomoderator admin and co-moderator
Jim Manson
>TO: Peers of Telstra.net
>
>
> -- Signed --
>
>Rick "Lysander Spooner" Buchanan (buch...@cybernex.net)
Jim Manson jma...@visi.com
BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL
> >Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
>
> (I'm thinking of the kind of "education" that requires introducing Mr.
> Vice-grips to Mr. Testicles.)
Whoo! Sounds like MY kind of FUN! Can I join? Will you ``educate'' me?
PLEEEEEEEEEASE? Purty pwease wid' sugar on top an' all that? Huh? Huh?
> >a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
>
> No problem. The people on that list of peers should pair off and peer
> with each other. After all, that transit traffic is coming from the
> other guys on that list. Just cut out the middleman -- one that
Uh, no, I meant what look superficially to be a large number of transit
posts from Australian sites. I'm actually already peering with everyone
on the list of Telstra peers. Now, my observations were just made on a
few dozen entries in the news logfile, and are based on the message IDs
of the messages our transit server took from Telstra. It could well be
that their spa*AHEM*customer (don't want to offend anyone, you know,
nudge nudge wink wank WONK) is forging many different domains, as I'm
not sure where to look to find evidence of this Victoria spam on the
transit machine pseudo-spool, unlike some other abuse which stares me
straight in the face.
That's another reason why I'm somewhat hesitant where other sites are
affected, as Australia is one of these backwater third world countries
like Europe, where they have to pay per-byte charges for international
traffic, last I heard, with the result being that all my peerings with
Australian sites apart from Telstra are for feeds of negligible size.
As a result, you have very much a funnel effect where incoming and outgoing
news gets sent over very few connections. I don't remember, but it could
be that everyone has to pay Telstra for transit traffic, so it's far more
effective to keep the news local and let Telstra gateway it. There are
other Australian universities, I know, so someone please educatify me
about the sordid details about connectivity. (I recall that if I dig
around in the Monastery far enough, I'll find a few rants on Telstra.)
> >Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
>
> Are you sure? From where I was looking yesteday, you were the
> primary conduit for the vic.nntp spam. Lots and lots. YMMV.
Eeep. Brain fart. They (along with about a dozen other pure spam sites)
are aliased out in my feed to the reader box here, but not in all the
hundred-odd outgoing feeds. (There's a reason I put no hosts in the
ME line of the transfer box, two reasons actually, one being that the
articles get tossed on the floor only after transfer, so there's no
savings apart from not needing to add the offensive site to every
outgoing feed as the bandwidth has already been wasted, but more
importantly, I want to be able to find everything in a full feed on
the transit server to help in researching articles that I drop on the
way to the reader.)
> >and I've gone ahead
> >and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
*BLAAT* another brane fart, in that I didn't complete the thought...
the missing words would be on the order of that this configuration
change would take effect next time I reload the hosts.nntp access file,
or next time the machine panics and reboots, whichever comes first, with
the latter happening depressingly often like twice yesterday within an
hour of each other. So while the change has not taken effect yet, it
is certain to within a day or two. When I'm sleeping, guaranteed. I
really hate computers.
In any case, I'll debate whether I'll go ahead and shun the telstra
machines on all outgoing feeds as well, or lay on the floor studying
the latest hipcrime vandalism while trying to wake up my brain which
seems to be dripping out my nose into an ever-increasing pile of tissues
towering above the monitor.
Blagh. Anyone care to lend me a functioning brane?
Jim Manson
>TO: Peers of Telstra.net
>
Jim Manson jma...@visi.com
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Lysander Spooner
<pedop...@vszbr.cz> wrote:
>> There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
>> Telstra.
>
>Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
>just like Tele danmarQ Internet, with your typical attitude of "We're
>the phone company, we don't have to care", just like Tele danmarQ
>Internet, but at least the last few days of Hippo reports have only
>shown the Victoria news swerver. Perhaps the percentage of non-spam
>posts from their other machines is somewhat higher?
Maybe losing all their peers will motivate the guys who run those
other machimes to "educate" the guy who runs the Victoria machine.
(I'm thinking of the kind of "education" that requires introducing Mr.
Vice-grips to Mr. Testicles.)
>Anyone with an
>idea about this? I also see what appear at least superficially to be
>a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
No problem. The people on that list of peers should pair off and peer
with each other. After all, that transit traffic is coming from the
other guys on that list. Just cut out the middleman -- one that
insists on being a mega-spam-injection-point.
>Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
>before leaving for a holiday some two weeks ago,
Are you sure? From where I was looking yesteday, you were the
primary conduit for the vic.nntp spam. Lots and lots. YMMV.
>and I've gone ahead
>and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
>unless I find evidence that would affect a significant number of valid
>posts that would be spared by simply dropping Victoria on the floor.
Sounds good. Keep us posted.
-- Rick
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From: buch...@cybernex.net (Lysander Spooner)
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Subject: cmsg cancel <3686144c....@209.242.64.104>
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Jim Rusling
>TO: Peers of Telstra.net
>
Jim Rusling
Mustang Information Services
Mustang, OK
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BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL
> >Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
>
> (I'm thinking of the kind of "education" that requires introducing Mr.
> Vice-grips to Mr. Testicles.)
Whoo! Sounds like MY kind of FUN! Can I join? Will you ``educate'' me?
PLEEEEEEEEEASE? Purty pwease wid' sugar on top an' all that? Huh? Huh?
> >a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
>
> No problem. The people on that list of peers should pair off and peer
> with each other. After all, that transit traffic is coming from the
> other guys on that list. Just cut out the middleman -- one that
Uh, no, I meant what look superficially to be a large number of transit
posts from Australian sites. I'm actually already peering with everyone
on the list of Telstra peers. Now, my observations were just made on a
few dozen entries in the news logfile, and are based on the message IDs
of the messages our transit server took from Telstra. It could well be
that their spa*AHEM*customer (don't want to offend anyone, you know,
nudge nudge wink wank WONK) is forging many different domains, as I'm
not sure where to look to find evidence of this Victoria spam on the
transit machine pseudo-spool, unlike some other abuse which stares me
straight in the face.
That's another reason why I'm somewhat hesitant where other sites are
affected, as Australia is one of these backwater third world countries
like Europe, where they have to pay per-byte charges for international
traffic, last I heard, with the result being that all my peerings with
Australian sites apart from Telstra are for feeds of negligible size.
As a result, you have very much a funnel effect where incoming and outgoing
news gets sent over very few connections. I don't remember, but it could
be that everyone has to pay Telstra for transit traffic, so it's far more
effective to keep the news local and let Telstra gateway it. There are
other Australian universities, I know, so someone please educatify me
about the sordid details about connectivity. (I recall that if I dig
around in the Monastery far enough, I'll find a few rants on Telstra.)
> >Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
>
> Are you sure? From where I was looking yesteday, you were the
> primary conduit for the vic.nntp spam. Lots and lots. YMMV.
Eeep. Brain fart. They (along with about a dozen other pure spam sites)
are aliased out in my feed to the reader box here, but not in all the
hundred-odd outgoing feeds. (There's a reason I put no hosts in the
ME line of the transfer box, two reasons actually, one being that the
articles get tossed on the floor only after transfer, so there's no
savings apart from not needing to add the offensive site to every
outgoing feed as the bandwidth has already been wasted, but more
importantly, I want to be able to find everything in a full feed on
the transit server to help in researching articles that I drop on the
way to the reader.)
> >and I've gone ahead
> >and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
*BLAAT* another brane fart, in that I didn't complete the thought...
the missing words would be on the order of that this configuration
change would take effect next time I reload the hosts.nntp access file,
or next time the machine panics and reboots, whichever comes first, with
the latter happening depressingly often like twice yesterday within an
hour of each other. So while the change has not taken effect yet, it
is certain to within a day or two. When I'm sleeping, guaranteed. I
really hate computers.
In any case, I'll debate whether I'll go ahead and shun the telstra
machines on all outgoing feeds as well, or lay on the floor studying
the latest hipcrime vandalism while trying to wake up my brain which
seems to be dripping out my nose into an ever-increasing pile of tissues
towering above the monitor.
Blagh. Anyone care to lend me a functioning brane?
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From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL <pedop...@vszbr.cz>
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Subject: cmsg cancel <Pine.LNX.4.00.98121...@coredump.int.tele.dk>
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BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL
> concerned netizens) respectfully request that you terminate your
> news-peering arrangement with Telstra Corporation Limited
> According to the daily statistics from the Spam Hippo:
>
> Date Rank Server Total Spam %Spam
> 981121 8 *.telstra.net 3692 3665 99
Aieee!@ Tab damage! Three thousand percent spam, yow! carry on...
> 981215 8 *.telstra.net 1396 1328 95
> 981216 1 *.telstra.net 8338 8338 100
>
> There are virtually _no_ legitimate (non-spam) posts coming from
> Telstra.
Now hang on a second. Telstra is your typical telephone company,
just like Tele danmarQ Internet, with your typical attitude of "We're
the phone company, we don't have to care", just like Tele danmarQ
Internet, but at least the last few days of Hippo reports have only
shown the Victoria news swerver. Perhaps the percentage of non-spam
posts from their other machines is somewhat higher? Anyone with an
idea about this? I also see what appear at least superficially to be
a large number of transit posts received from meganews.telstra.net.
Nevertheless, I had already aliased out vic.nntp.telstra.net just
before leaving for a holiday some two weeks ago, and I've gone ahead
and configured my machine to not accept connections from Telstra,
unless I find evidence that would affect a significant number of valid
posts that would be spared by simply dropping Victoria on the floor.
> De-Peer Telstra. You have nothing to lose but their spam.
Hey, think of all the bandwidth I'd save! I mean, it's not as if
Australia is next door or anything...
(Disclaimer: I'm not the one who set up this peering, and there are
other people with access to the news swerver whose peering philosophies
differ radically from mine, such that I have taken actions in direct
opposition to their plans, and they to mine.)
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From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PTERODACTYL <pedop...@vszbr.cz>
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wer...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
: TO: Peers of Telstra.net
: ne...@digex.net
: use...@agate.berkeley.edu
: ne...@cw.net
: ne...@gte.net
: use...@news.inet.tele.dk
: ne...@bora.net
: sysa...@shell.monmouth.com
: CC: newsm...@nico.telstra.net
when complaining to those addresses directly myself,
I've been asked "why" twice already.
Rather than wasting more time on this myself, I hope that the
joint request (consider me having co-signed) gets sent soonest!
--
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Lysander Spooner
> Rather than wasting more time on this myself, I hope that the
> joint request (consider me having co-signed) gets sent soonest!
The formal request, with 32 individuals signing, went out last night
(about eight hours later than I had planned, due to circumstances
beyond my control.)
Several co-signers asked to sign with not-widely-known email
addresses, so I did not BCC the co-signers. Other than adding one
additional day of Hippo data, and appending sigs exactly as presented,
it went out as I posted it here.
So far, one reply has been received. Inet.tele.dk has terminated the
peering with Telstra. (Thanks Barry!)
-- Rick
Jim Rusling
<snip>
>So far, one reply has been received. Inet.tele.dk has terminated the
>peering with Telstra. (Thanks Barry!)
>
>-- Rick
Please keep us posted on any additional progress.
--
Jeremy
> Seems like Rick's efforts finally got a response out of telestra.net.
> Amazing what hitting them over the head with a big stick will do. :-)
Thanks for re-posting that; it didn't make it here, as I have them
aliased. :) Hmm, perhaps it's time to remove that...
--
Jeremy | jer...@exit109.com
"I think I speak for everyone here when I say, 'Huh?'" --Buffy