The New 'Ten Little Niggers' Mystery
halcombe
"Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing council,
was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she used
the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel."
So, what happened?
Did she say, "Come along, you ten little niggers, time to get back!" Use of
'nigger' in direct address would, no doubt, have been unwise.
Or did she allude to the nursery rhyme (a version here [1]) to which the
Christie title refers, as the committee members left the coffee-break area one
by one?
Or did she comment, to fill an awkward pause, that she'd been reading an
Agatha Christie over the weekend, "the one that used to be called 'Ten Little
Niggers'"?
Because if all she'd been doing was referring to a nursery rhyme or a book -
what standard are we setting up here: no public employee to use the word in
any context?
And - is this the first time she's used the word? Perhaps this she is
something she says - whatever it is she said - every meeting break, her little
joke, groans all round.
Because I strongly suspect that the woman's enemies in the organisation have
jumped at the pretext to whip up a shock-horror PC newsgasm and get rid of
her.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/2193249.stm
BBC NEWS Wednesday, 14 August, 2002, 12:56 GMT 13:56 UK
Top nurse quits over 'racist' remark
A leading nurse has resigned after making an "inappropriate and offensive"
remark at a meeting.
Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing council,
was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she used
the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel.
Some of the members of the committee were black.
An RCN spokeswoman told BBC News Online: "Obviously, it caused offence and
people were shocked that she used that phrase."
Ms Bottrill, who had been chairman of the council since October last year,
resigned at an emergency meeting of the RCN council on 13 August, over two
weeks after the original meeting took place.
The committee she chaired is charged with drawing up the rules for how the RCN
works, including the diversity guidelines which her remark broke.
Ms Bottrill said: "I sincerely regret the remark.
"Although I did not intend any offence, I am stepping down as chair as a sign
of my own and the RCN's commitment to tackling any perceived form of racism."
She added: "The RCN has stated that it will not tolerate racism, even if
unintentional, and by my resignation I wish to demonstrate that the
organisation means what it says: we must now use this opportunity to bring
this issue higher up the RCN's and others' agendas."
Tackling 'institutional discrimination'
Beverly Malone, general secretary of the RCN, said: "Pat has made a personal
sacrifice for the good of the RCN.
"She has apologised for the offence her remark caused and I accept that
apology on behalf of myself and staff.
"The decision today confirms that the RCN collectively is committed to
tackling institutional discrimination in all its forms and Pat has
demonstrated that today."
Ms Bottrill has been replaced by her former deputy, Jill Jarvis, who said:
"Pat has made a tremendous contribution to the work of the RCN over 27 years
and we are saddened by her resignation as Chair.
"However, we respect the judgement she has made in the best interests of the
RCN."
[1] http://www.htl-steyr.ac.at/~morg/privat/misc/tenlittle.htmlTen Little
Niggers
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More of much of the same at The Lincoln Plawg:
http://lincolnplawg.blogspot.com
"People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they
like."
halcombe
halcombe <halcomb...@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Or did she allude to the nursery rhyme (a version here [1])
For the record the correct link is
http://www.htl-steyr.ac.at/~morg/privat/misc/tenlittle.html
MikeinCamden
society. What she is really doing is helping to create a tyranny against white
people who can be picked on for the slightest verbal slight real or imagined.
The Rifleman
"MikeinCamden" < So far this afternoon I know of three nurses who are going
to change unions because this poor women has been made a victim of PC
multiculturalism.
AntiNigg
>
> "Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing
council,
> was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she
used
> the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel."
In America, niggers employ the racial slur "cracker" in reference to
Whites. When Whites use the word "nigger", the nigger is likely to erupt
in a violent rage, or at the very least cry out in protest. When niggers
call a White person "cracker", the nigger will only get an amused look from
the White person.
For the nigger, the truth hurts. And why does the racial slur "cracker"
exert no power? The White person need only do simple comparisons of
Sub-saharan Africa to Northern Europe and the UK.
Gazzz
> Typical BBC report - omitting the vital details!
>
> "Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing
> council, was calling members of the committee back from a coffee
> break when she used the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an
> Agatha Christie novel."
>
Lets put things straight, and not lets confuse the two.
While it is not a phrase I would ever use, here is the common usage:
Nigger does not equal Black people. We have black people and we have
'niggers' (this is in the american usage)
A nigger is a black person who is also a pimp, a drug dealer, a mugger, a
low-life, as thief, a rapist, a thug, a bully, a convict, a cheat, a crook,
an unemployed lazy piece of human debris.
Repeat, a nigger is not a Black person. Black people hate niggers, they know
who niggers are, and they know where they live, and they know thay arent
one.
Niggers make life more miserable for black people, then others, because it
is around htem they usually live.
http://bennun.biz/interviews/chrisrock.html
Read this, understand.it.
Gaz
dormouse
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> halcombe wrote:
...
>
> Nigger does not equal Black people. We have black people and we have
> 'niggers' (this is in the american usage)
Strange we used to have an expression up in E. Lancs (many, many, moons
ago), "He (or name) works like a nigger" the implication was that once
<whoever> started work he didn't stop ... ie very hard working, of course
the origins of this phrase are pre-war.
--
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Aramis Gunton
<halcomb...@subdimension.com> writes
>Top nurse quits over 'racist' remark
'Top nurse' eh. The sort of nurse we are informed we in the UK are
unable to provide hence all the HIV infected sub-humans we induct?
>A leading nurse has resigned after making an "inappropriate and offensive"
>remark at a meeting.
Whoooo! Not a medical balls up that left a patient in dire straights
then.
>Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing council,
>was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she used
>the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel.
Outstanding did she not seek instead to utilise the expression "Get of
you lard arses you bunch of fat cunts!!". This would no doubt have
passed unnoticed.
>
>Some of the members of the committee were black.
Poor sods. We can't all be blessed.
>
>An RCN spokeswoman told BBC News Online: "Obviously, it caused offence and
>people were shocked that she used that phrase."
I just bet they were. Psychiatric after care now required no doubt... or
maybe a lawyer.
<Snip>
>The committee she chaired is charged with drawing up the rules for how the RCN
>works, including the diversity guidelines which her remark broke.
Oh 'diversity guidelines' absolutely essential for patient care I
assume.
>
>Ms Bottrill said: "I sincerely regret the remark.
Why for heavens sake!!???
>
>"Although I did not intend any offence,
Should have opted for the more expressive "..cunts" version.
> I am stepping down as chair as a sign
>of my own and the RCN's commitment to tackling any perceived form of racism."
"perceived" Hmm like a paranoiac perceives enemies all around I suppose.
>
>She added: "The RCN has stated that it will not tolerate racism,
Oh no of course not. Crap fucking nurses Oh yes but 'racism' absolutely
NOT!!
>even if
>unintentional,
By mistake then?
> and by my resignation I wish to demonstrate that the
>organisation means what it says:
That perceiving one has upsetting a bunch of 'niggaz' is sufficient
grounds for the NHS to lose the service of a 'Top Nurse'. Great policy.
Excellent!!!
Now the NHS can scurry around the 'nigger' nations for a replacement.
>we must now use this opportunity to bring
>this issue higher up the RCN's and others' agendas."
Fuck patient care as a priority then!
>
>Tackling 'institutional discrimination'
Oh the horror!!!!
>
>Beverly Malone, general secretary of the RCN, said: "Pat has made a personal
>sacrifice for the good of the RCN.
Does Ms Malone reside on planet Earth???
>
>"She has apologised for the offence her remark caused and I accept that
>apology on behalf of myself and staff.
But still the racist NAZI goose stepping bitch must GO!!!!!
>
>"The decision today confirms that the RCN collectively is committed to
>tackling institutional discrimination in all its forms and Pat has
>demonstrated that today."
Thank the Lord. I will rest soundly in my bed tonight.
>
>Ms Bottrill has been replaced by her former deputy, Jill Jarvis, who said:
>"Pat has made a tremendous contribution to the work of the RCN over 27 years
But she was perceived to have unintentionally upset the sensitive
sensibilities of a bunch of 'niggers' so fuck all her previous
'tremendous contributions.... over 27 years' and fuck the patients who
would have benefited from her continued employment eh??
>and we are saddened by her resignation as Chair.
Obviously not 'saddened' enough you morons!!!
>
>"However, we respect the judgement she has made in the best interests of the
>RCN."
What by making the RCN look as ridiculous as is humanly possible???
Over to the liberal anti-racists for their take on the loss of this
upstanding employee due to an expression.....
--
Aramis Gunton
Andrew Gambier
<EXCLUDEALLC...@lycos.co.uk> writes
>http://bennun.biz/interviews/chrisrock.html
>
>Read this, understand.it.
>
Er, evidently you didn't.
--
andrew
Introducing Katie Reese Gambier (born 27/03/02) at http://www.gambier.cc
Alex Macfie
>
> Agatha Christie over the weekend, "the one that used to be called 'Ten Little
> Niggers'"?
Now called "And then there were none". Productions of it (including
the 70s film production with Richard Attenborough and Oliver Reed
among others) usually use "Ten Little Indians" for the rhyme. I
remember a version of the rhyme on a Pickwick children's record, in
which it was "Ten Little Naughty Boys".
Alex
jackkincaid
>
> "Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing council,
> was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she used
> the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel."
>
>
> So, what happened?
>
dozen people in all. The debate was getting heated and one by one
people were leaving. After a while, after one person in particular
left, she said (words to the effect) 'There go the ten litttle
niggers'.
Obviously she was referring to the Agatha Christie book, in which the
guests at a country house party are bumped off, one by one (since
changed to 'Ten Little Indians', since changed to 'And Then There Were
None'). Unfortunately, some of the delegates were Afro-Caribbean,
Asian etc. and the RCN president was also present (she is a black
American woman and, incidentally, is incredibly popular among ordinary
nurses - and is also resented by a number of people grouped around a
failed candidate for her job. I helped interview some of these people
once, for some job or other. That's how I know).
What you also need to know about these people is that nearly all of
them are women, nearly all of them are ex-nurses, nearly all are of a
'certain age' and nearly all are middle class - and nearly all are
desperate to fit in with the 'new' (for them) demand for
'inclusiveness' and non-racism and non-judgementalism and all the rest
of it at the NHS, which itself is desperately scouring the third world
for nurses fill our deteriorating hospitals before the entire service
collapses.
OK. I don't know for sure but I think I can guess that the woman in
question, Pat Botteril, said what she said without thinking, thus
betraying her middle class 1950s English upbringing when using words
like 'nigger' wasn't seen as a problem. I can imagine, the moment she
said what she said she would have been absolutely mortified - it would
have been like the sherrif walking into the bar and the piano player
stopping and everyone turning round to look. I bet you could have
heard a pin drop. I don't think this is an example of political
correctness about race so much as PC about class: her embarrasment
would have been more about what her language revealed about her own
genteel and faux-innocent upbringing than about transgressing some
notional language barrier.
She apologised (which is only right) and offered to resign (which is
fair enough) and the resignation was accepted (which strikes me
fucking stupid). Then again she came out with some mindnumbing crap
about the unacceptability of racism etc. etc. for the press, so meaybe
she wanted to go anyway. Apparantly there's a hell of a lot of
backbiting and office politics going on at the top of the nursing
organisations right now, and the RCN president is being spun against
in the media, so maybe she feels she's well out of it. By making sure
there'd be no outcry over racist language she'll probably get a
generous pay-off, and was close to retirement anyway.
But it still looks wrong. It looks like one example of something we've
seen before: slightly unworldly and somewhat pampered middle class
types, who have risen to the top of a highly protected part of the
public sector, seeing it change around them as other people from very
different backgrounds (though doubtless equally prejudiced in their
way) rise to the top alongside them, and not quite adjusting to the
changes in the prescribed way - not quite getting the hang of the new
language, say - and suffering guilt about the whole situation. And
that, chiuldren, is where one kind of politcial correctness comes
from.
John O
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What a remarkably upfront and incisive analysis of the thing. My hat off to
you, sir (or Madam).
peter
<sorr...@this.isn't.real> stated: -
>>Gazzz" <EXCLUDEALLC...@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:ajel7f$18js1k$1...@ID-49507.news.dfncis.de...
>> halcombe wrote:
>...
>>
>> Nigger does not equal Black people. We have black people and we have
>> 'niggers' (this is in the american usage)
>
>Strange we used to have an expression up in E. Lancs (many, many, moons
>ago), "He (or name) works like a nigger" the implication was that once
><whoever> started work he didn't stop ... ie very hard working, of course
>the origins of this phrase are pre-war.
>
Yes, the origins go back to the time of slavery.
>--
>
>dormouse
>
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>
>
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Dr J.C. Horton
> Typical BBC report - omitting the vital details!
>
> "Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing council,
> was calling members of the committee back from a coffee break when she used
> the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an Agatha Christie novel."
>
> So, what happened?
>
> Did she say, "Come along, you ten little niggers, time to get back!" Use of
> 'nigger' in direct address would, no doubt, have been unwise.
>
> Or did she allude to the nursery rhyme (a version here [1]) to which the
> Christie title refers, as the committee members left the coffee-break area one
> by one?
>
> Or did she comment, to fill an awkward pause, that she'd been reading an
> Agatha Christie over the weekend, "the one that used to be called 'Ten Little
> Niggers'"?
I understand it was in direct reference to the book and, in particular, its plot.
(The committee members were slow in returning to the meeting and some were even
wandering off (disappearing) or some such.)
Claud
<ccz...@gwmail.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>I understand it was in direct reference to the book and, in particular, its plot.
>(The committee members were slow in returning to the meeting and some were even
>wandering off (disappearing) or some such.)
Possibly something like "It's getting to be like The Ten little
Niggers". Completely harmless, innocuous and non racist.
The Politically Correct dingbats who went over the top over it are
doing far more to fuel rascism by bringing ridicule over those who
would work against racism.
Claud
Pard1
> In article <ajdvop$uuk$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk
>
> Over to the liberal anti-racists for their take on the loss of this
> upstanding employee due to an expression.....
She's still a nurse, she only left her post as a chair on the RCN. The
RCN represents nurses in a similar capacity as a union. It is not part
of the NHS except in representing its nurses.
Pard.
Wolf
these nurse conference-hangers on are not so dumb as to be "politically
correct".
They didn't get out from patient care into the triple salaries and company
cars of bureaucrat nurses actually believing anything. These are the sort of
opportunist greasy pole climbers you find in any organisations. Difference
is they are women, and no less despicable than the same variety of men..
Oh she said "nigger". Of with her head.
One less on the gravy train, more gravy for us, Shadenfreude.
Beverly Malone is a self-seeking opportunist who rides the tide of positive
discrimination. We know all about her American mothers free NHS operations,
don't we?
Sincerely,
Wolf
Rupert
"Claud" <bl...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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She should have remembered that Big Brother P.C. is always
watching, always listening.
Tamas Gyursanszky
> Nigger does not equal Black people. We have black people and
> we have 'niggers' (this is in the american usage)
This is alt.politics.british, so the Oxford English Dictionary
definition prevails..
Nigger 1786 [Alteration of NEGER]
1. A negro (colloquial and usually contemptuous)
Also transf. of members of other dark-skinned races.
2. The black caterpillar of the turnip saw-fly 1840
3. attributively. (or adjectively.)
a. Belonging to the negro race; black-skinned
Also n.-minstrel; see NEGRO 1836
b. Of, or belonging to, occupied by, negroes
Also transf. 1834.
c. The name of a colour 1914.
Neger Scottish and northern dialects 1568
[adaptation of French negre,
adaptation of Spanish negro NEGRO.]
A negro
Tamas Gyursanszky
> we used to have an expression up in E. Lancs (many, many, moons
> ago), "He (or name) works like a nigger" the implication was that once
><whoever> started work he didn't stop ... ie very hard working, of course
> the origins of this phrase are pre-war.
The expression "works like a nigger" probably has its roots in slavery.
jackkincaid
conservative to me: more like double-triple. But for all I know, they
do a good job.
I think this is kind of funny. I don't believe the woman in question
would have lost her job (if, in fact, she did) if she hadn't wanted
to. She could have contested a dismissal and would have probably won,
but something tells me she wanted out.
Fact is, if you're over 50 in this country, and still in work, and you
have the kind of genteel small town upbringing I think most of our
(white) top nurses have had, chances are you've only started working
alongside black or Asian people in the last 10 years or so. I think
some of these sort of people can't adjust to the changes around them -
either they become hostile (like most of the old farts on this NG) or
they become confused and over-defensive, and start to need 'guidlines
for behaviour' and all that crap. And that's where 'PC' comes from, or
one kind of PC anyway, from guilt-ridden people who need 'rules' to
manage their language and behaviour. It doesn't usually come from the
black or Asian workers themselves (same goes for the police badge
farago). And if there had been more people who had actually grown up
in mixed race communities in their workplaces fromn the start, who
don't need silly bloody rules, they wouldn't be so uptight. And it's a
generational thing too: as the next generation of workers come along,
who are less and less uptight about race, these sort of things will -
hopefully - disappear.
Mind you, according to the 'ladies' in my office the woman in question
should have had sex with 10 black men, all at once, as a kind of
'recompense'. But that's the street of shame for you.
I don't think you're right about Beverley Malone, BTW. From what I've
gathered she is very popular with the nurses - precisely because all
the previous leaders were these terrible old starchy matrons and
Hyacinth Bucket types, and the stories about her mother etc. are being
spun against her by a group of nurses around someone who wanted her
job. But I *do* think that, assuming I'm wrong and this Botteril woman
didn't really want out, she shouldn't have accepted her resignation. I
tend to think that, had she been British, not American, she would have
been more sympathetic, because she would have kind of 'got' the Agatha
Christie-reading, somewhat innocent bougeois milieu the woman came
from. But I could be wrong.
jackkincaid
hell - 'nigger' is an offensive word. Ask yourself: if you were in a
pub in Electric Avenue would you use it?
Well, would you?
No, you'd only wave your tiny dick around like a big brave boy here in
the anonymity and safety of this NG. The reason you wouldn't say it is
because you know it IS offensive, and somewhere in that dog turd you
use for a brain you know that if you were black, you wouldn't like
white people bandying it around; that is, you can empathise. And
that's because the word implies racial superiority by harking back to
slave days, and unless you want to prove your 'superiority' (which you
can't) you know best not to use it.
It may have been revived in the US by ghetto kids and putzes like
Tarantino but by and large, in Britain, it's still regarded as
offensive. The only uses it has in UK culture I can think of which
aren't directly insulting are a) the dog in Dambusters, b) the Agatha
Christie book and play, which has become an illustrative phrase and c)
the old saw 'nigger in the woodpile'. Now there are some kinds of
people who make references to these things naturally, because of their
upbringing, and so when they realise their power to hurt other people
late in lfe they struggle to adjust (and so apply to themselves all
sorts of, to me, silly rules). We should have sympathy for them too,
because they're not trying to be offensive, and it's clear that -
assuming she didn't want to quit anyway - not enough sympathy has been
shown Pat Botteril. She is, of course, capable of contesting the
decision that she should resign.
But that doesn't mean the word isn't offensive, it ,means that, as
ever, the context in which it has been used must be taken into
account. Which means that no, youre not free to walk into a Brixton
pub and call the barman a nigger.
But then you wouldn't have the balls to do that anyway, would you?
Claud
wrote:
>
>But that doesn't mean the word isn't offensive, it ,means that, as
>ever, the context in which it has been used must be taken into
>account. Which means that no, youre not free to walk into a Brixton
>pub and call the barman a nigger.
>
>But then you wouldn't have the balls to do that anyway, would you?
In Bobby Seals book "Sieze The time" he say's about his new born son
"let the niggers name be Rastus". Not only would I call the landlord a
nigger, I would hope he would be one badass nigger too, The uptight PC
wimps need bad niggers, it would turn them on and perhaps make them
less PC racist.
Big Bad Niggaz rule. OK?
Claud
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
> It may have been revived in the US by ghetto kids and putzes like
> Tarantino but by and large, in Britain, it's still regarded as
> offensive. The only uses it has in UK culture I can think of which
> aren't directly insulting are a) the dog in Dambusters, b) the Agatha
> Christie book and play, which has become an illustrative phrase and c)
> the old saw 'nigger in the woodpile'.
The black kids at my daughter's old school used the term to each other quite
frequently....it was seen as cool.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Rupert
"Rupert" <@freeserve.com> wrote in message news:...
> > <ccz...@gwmail.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >I understand it was in direct reference to the book and, in particular,
> its plot.
> > >(The committee members were slow in returning to the meeting and some
> were even
> > >wandering off (disappearing) or some such.)
> >
> > Possibly something like "It's getting to be like The Ten little
> > Niggers". Completely harmless, innocuous and non racist.
> >
> > The Politically Correct dingbats who went over the top over it are
> > doing far more to fuel rascism by bringing ridicule over those who
> > would work against racism.
> >
Robert Matson
abandon it in fear.
Robert Matson
The PCers are about as interested in combating racism as Mugabe is in
land distribution. They're politicians and they need *their* issue to
be *the* issue. The CRE are empire builders and want the same thing.
Racism's grist to the mill, and it's in their interest not only to
highlight the problem, but covertly and actively to promote it.
Gazzz
> You can get told off for saying "nigger in the woodpile". I've had to
> abandon it in fear.
A fellow councillor in a meeting once blurted it out, to the full council,
about how we where caught between two stones, and about to get screwed up
the arse of a powerful QUANGO.
You shoud have seen the other side go beserk.
Gaz
peter
Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated: -
>In article <ajo5ap$1cj7qt$1...@ID-49507.news.dfncis.de>, "Gazzz"
>Tory paper referred to 'the tinted person in the woodpile'.
>
>That surely is worse - the exact same sentiment but the originator
>clearly demonstrating they know it's in bad taste.
>
yes , far better to call a spade a spade
Gazzz
> In article <ajo5ap$1cj7qt$1...@ID-49507.news.dfncis.de>, "Gazzz"
> <EXCLUDEALLC...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
> Tory paper referred to 'the tinted person in the woodpile'.
>
> That surely is worse - the exact same sentiment but the originator
> clearly demonstrating they know it's in bad taste.
In my case, the person (an elederly councillor) meant nothing insulting by
it.
Gaz
Gazzz
> In article <09mzOiB6...@pwwatson.demon.co.uk>, peter
> <pe...@pwwatson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <david-18080...@election.demon.co.uk>, David
>> Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated: -
>>> Tory paper referred to 'the tinted person in the woodpile'.
>>>
>>> That surely is worse - the exact same sentiment but the originator
>>> clearly demonstrating they know it's in bad taste.
>>
>> yes , far better to call a spade a spade
>
> Hill Carnival then?
Yuk, no thanks.
Gaz
peter
Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated: -
>> Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated: -
>> >Tory paper referred to 'the tinted person in the woodpile'.
>> >
>> >That surely is worse - the exact same sentiment but the originator
>> >clearly demonstrating they know it's in bad taste.
>>
>> yes , far better to call a spade a spade
>
>Hill Carnival then?
>
too right - I might run into William Hague - minus his Rolex of
course........
RF
"David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:david-18080...@election.demon.co.uk...
> > Boothroyd <da...@election.demon.co.uk> stated: -
secret
> > >Tory paper referred to 'the tinted person in the woodpile'.
> > >
> > >That surely is worse - the exact same sentiment but the
originator
> > >clearly demonstrating they know it's in bad taste.
> >
> > yes , far better to call a spade a spade
>
Notting
> Hill Carnival then?
RF
Alan G
<EXCLUDEALLC...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
>halcombe wrote:
>> Typical BBC report - omitting the vital details!
>>
>> "Pat Bottrill, chairman of the Royal College of Nursing's governing
>> council, was calling members of the committee back from a coffee
>> break when she used the phrase "10 little niggers", the title of an
>> Agatha Christie novel."
>>
>
>Lets put things straight, and not lets confuse the two.
>
>While it is not a phrase I would ever use, here is the common usage:
>
>Nigger does not equal Black people. We have black people and we have
>'niggers' (this is in the american usage)
>
>A nigger is a black person who is also a pimp, a drug dealer, a mugger, a
>low-life, as thief, a rapist, a thug, a bully, a convict, a cheat, a crook,
>an unemployed lazy piece of human debris.
>
>Repeat, a nigger is not a Black person. Black people hate niggers, they know
>who niggers are, and they know where they live, and they know thay arent
>one.
>
>Niggers make life more miserable for black people, then others, because it
>is around htem they usually live.
>
>http://bennun.biz/interviews/chrisrock.html
>
>Read this, understand.it.
>
>Gaz
>
You are obviously younger than I because a nigger was always simply a
black person.
--
Alan G
The rule of law 'excludes the idea of any exemption
of officials or others from the duty of obedience to
the law which governs other citizens or from the
jurisdiction of the ordinary tribunals'
(Dicey)
peter
<al...@ntlworld.com> stated: -
or a labrador
--
peter
Gazzz
Maybe so...... but it would be one to describe all Black people on the basis
if the sterotype the word puts upon us.
I wasnt aware of it, but the origins of the 'ten little niggers' goes back
to a rhyme about the no of Blcak people reducing (having been captures as
escaped slaves, and hung/shot), in that context I could see the
offensiveness of the remark.
She shouldnt have resigned, just told that her use of language was
offensive.
Gaz
Gazzz
Its to do with the word Negro, many european languages, have similar words
for use of black.
French: Noir
Italian: Nero
Spanish: Negro
It is in little dount that the word 'nigger' is highly offensive.
Gaz
peter
APSga...@lycos.co.uk> stated: -
the 'hood the resident gangstas evidently call each other nigga all the
time - it is only offensive if uttered by non - niggaz -
--
peter
Alan G
It still just means black.
The fact that black people find it offensive is why I don't use the
word as often now but I defend anyones right to use it in a historical
context. The attempts to bowdlerise some 18th 19th and early 20th
century books by excising some words is nothing less than criminal. I
was angered by an attempt a couple of years ago to take the word out
of Tom Sawyer and I suppose the local library will now decide to ban
'The Nigger of the Narcissus' .
>
>She shouldnt have resigned, just told that her use of language was
>offensive.
>
I agree
>
Education would make it less so though.