Posting top or bottom
Sam of California
and the etiquittes of complaining about either?
Anonymous
> Where would be a good place to go to discuss "bottom-posting", "top-posting"
> and the etiquittes of complaining about either?
http://www.uwasa.fi/%7Ets/http/quote.html
This should answere your question.
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Sam of California
"bottom-posting" and "top-posting" and such. I asked where to go for a
discussion.
I hope the difference is clear. I am asking for a disussion and I want to
discuss the issues in the forum where Usenet specialists discuss the issues.
I am especially interested in a discussion that includes people that have
been involved in establishing relevant standards and guidelines.
I want a dynamic disussion, not a static description.
"Anonymous" <Nobody> wrote in message news:3d1b2caf$1_3@anonymous...
Hugh Watkins
"Sam of California" <spa...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:WT1T8.36777$1D2.15...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> No, that does not answer my question. I did not ask for a definiton of
> "bottom-posting" and "top-posting" and such. I asked where to go for a
> discussion.
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are you thick or something ?
Newbies and Grannies top post
you are using X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
which defaults to top posting (ie MS Crud)
so you have to move the cursor down before you write
the rest of the world bottom posts
because seeing the question before the answer
- or reaction - makes sense
and refreshes the memory
now go away to here
Hugh W
Sam of California
users top-post. If bottom-posters continue to be inconsiderate in this
manner then I think there will be enough reason for people to change the
standard.
I said I wanted to discuss the issue, not get dumped on. If you must
criticize and cannot discuss the issue in a mature manner then just ignore
me. You do not have to participate; you are participating simply to be
critical. That is totally unnecessary. I think the standard should say
something about such behavior.
"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_w...@net.dialog.dk> wrote in message
news:afinp0$ep33r$1...@ID-71976.news.dfncis.de...
Anonymous
> I am absolutely not the only one to top-post and many experienced newsgroup
> users top-post. If bottom-posters continue to be inconsiderate in this
> manner then I think there will be enough reason for people to change the
> standard.
Not very experienced. If you take part in lengthy discussions then
you would know top posting is confusing. Standards and nettiquette
are there for a reason. Same reason other "rules" are in place like
spam rules. To make the net a better place. Rules let everyone
participate. A lot of the standards and nettiquette are in place
to save people time and money. Like snipping parts of the post not
relevant to the reply or HTML posts. Many people pay for bandwidth
and these posts cost them more.
The only top posters I normally see are OE users and experienced users
usually don't use OE because it's not a very good newsreader.
Hugh Watkins
"Sam of California" <sam...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:ub7T8.48448$xy.15...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I am absolutely not the only one to top-post
usual self righteous twaddle snipped
FUCK OFF NNNOOOWW
I answered your question
Hugh W
Sam of California
of the type of thing that someone should do something about.
"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_w...@net.dialog.dk> wrote in message
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Timo Salmi
> No, that does not answer my question. I did not ask for a definiton of
> "bottom-posting" and "top-posting" and such. I asked where to go for a
> discussion.
It concern netiquette so maybe best
news:news.newusers.questions Q & A for users new to the Usenet.
As for http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html it is not just
definitions but also contains information on the netiquette on the
matter. Therefore, that or similar information is a good starting
point.
All the best, Timo
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Sam of California
"Timo Salmi" <t...@UWasa.Fi> wrote in message
news:afl37m$m...@poiju.uwasa.fi...
Thank you, Timo. For getting answers those are good, but I am especially
interested in finding the appropriate newsgroup for discussion of the
subject. If I do not find anything more appropriate than the
"news.newusers.questions" newsgroup then I will go there next.
Timo Salmi
[in news:news.groups.questions]
> Sam of California <spa...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > "bottom-posting" and "top-posting" and such. I asked where to go for a
> > discussion.
> It concern netiquette so maybe best
> news:news.newusers.questions Q & A for users new to the Usenet.
>
> As for http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html it is not just
I see that the discussion has already been taken to
news:news.groups Discussion about new and old newsgroups
Ok, as you wish. It was also take up why things should go in some
specific manner, that basically is what is the use of the netiquette
and why one should give a damn. A few words on that at
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/netiquet.html
BTW, please do not take this the wrong way, but attention seeking by
attacting the long-established netiquette and its advocates is one
fairly frequent way of seeking cheap recognition on the Usenet. This
being said totally generally. I pose no claims about your
motivations.
John Smith
Sam of California wrote:
> Thank you, Timo. For getting answers those are good, but I am especially
> interested in finding the appropriate newsgroup for discussion of the
> subject. If I do not find anything more appropriate than the
> "news.newusers.questions" newsgroup then I will go there next.
news.newusers.questions is good and microsoft.public.netiquette also.
There is newsgroup, where you can ask "Where can I find talk about topic
X", and that is news.groups.questions.
See also:
John Smith
Timo Salmi wrote:
> attention seeking by attacting the long-established netiquette and its
> advocates is one fairly frequent way of seeking cheap recognition on the
> Usenet.
WHY to behave in a particular way.
The reason for social blindness could be because of young age, upbringing,
mental disorder, brain damage or use of drugs.
Here are some links about social blindness, etc.:
http://www.mentalhealth.com/fr20.html
http://mentalhealth.about.com/
http://asperdis.org/
http://www.headinjury.com/
http://dir.yahoo.com/Health/Mental_Health/
http://directory.google.com/Top/Health/Mental_Health/Disorders/
http://www.schizophrenia.com/
Here are some examples about social blindness:
Antisocial Personality
http://www.millon.net/Taxonomy/ANT.htm
- socially unorthodox beliefs and morals
Antisocial Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe04.html
http://www.bconnex.net/~cspcc/psychopathy/diag.htm
- callous unconcern for the feelings of others
- incapacity to experience guilt
- failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as
indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
- pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of
others
Asperger's syndrome
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch07.html
http://www.isn.net/~jypsy/whataspe.htm
- Qualitative impairment in social interaction
- lack of appreciation of social cues
- socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior
Autistic Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-ch06.html
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch06.html
- inadequate appreciation of socio-emotional cues
- poor synchrony and lack of reciprocity in conversational interchange
- impairment in social interaction
Avoidant Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe08.html
- pervasive pattern of social inhibition
Borderline Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe05.html
- the abnormal behaviour pattern is pervasive and clearly maladaptive to a
broad range of personal and social situations
Conduct Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-ch02.html
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch02.html
- dissocial, aggressive, or defiant conduct
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe10.html
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe10.html
- rigidity and stubbornness
- inflexible about matters of morality, ethics, or values
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch05.html
- often argues with adults
- often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
Paranoid Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe01.html
- a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with
the actual situation
Schizoid Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe02.html
- marked insensitivity to prevailing social norms and conventions
Schizophreniform Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ps04.html
- delusions
Schizotypal Personality Disorder
http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-pe03.html
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe03.html
- behaviour or appearance that is odd, eccentric, or peculiar
- A pervasive pattern of social and interpersonal deficits
- odd beliefs or magical thinking that influences behavior and is
inconsistent with subcultural norms
Hugh Watkins
"John Smith" <no....@no.spam.fi> wrote in message news:afuop4$11e$2...@news.cc.tut.fi...
>
> Timo Salmi wrote:
>
> > attention seeking by attacting the long-established netiquette and its
> > advocates is one fairly frequent way of seeking cheap recognition on the
> > Usenet.
>
> Some people are (partially) socially blind, and they need logical reasons
> WHY to behave in a particular way.
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beautiful post
very informative
thanks
Hugh W
rich
>No, you did not answer my question but you did provide an excellent example
>of the type of thing that someone should do something about.
OK, go ahead and do something about it. Let us know how it turns out.
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