NAZI PIG SHARON TO THE TRIBUNAL
Amigocabal
Jacob Garbuz
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> Sharon is no different than Pol Pot!
>
What you Palestinians need is King Hussein, who wiped out 15,000 of you in
1971, or
Hafez El Assad who snuffed a similar number of Muslim Brotherhood in Hama in
the 1980's.
Sharon is way too soft! BEtter yet, you need a Saddam to rule over you. You
oughtta go to
Baghdad to your mother of all murderers. How come the Belgian courts aren't
indicting him?
Or does Belgium need Iraqi oil too much to dare?
torresD
60 Israeli Veterans Refuse to Serve
Lee Hockstader Washington Post Service
Tuesday, January 29, 2002
Petition by Reservists Condemns
West Bank and Gaza Occupation
JERUSALEM More than 60 Israeli Army reservists,
half officers and all of them combat veterans,
have publicly refused to continue serving in the
West Bank and Gaza Strip on the ground that
Israeli occupation forces there are
abusing and humiliating Palestinians.
.
"We will no longer fight beyond the
Green Line for the purpose of
occupying, deporting, destroying,
blockading, killing, starving and
humiliating an entire people,"
declared the petition signed
by the reservists and published
in Israel's best-selling daily newspaper,
Yedioth Ahronoth.
.
Over the years there have been instances
of eligible Israelis declining to serve in the
army at all, or refusing to serve in certain
places for reasons of conscience or politics.
What makes the current case unusual is that so
many combat reservists, both soldiers and officers,
have come forward publicly at one time.
.
Moreover, the organizers of the petition,
a pair of reserve lieutenants in their 20s
who have served previous stints
in the Israeli-occupied territories,
say their goal is to collect 500 signatures
and launch a broad social campaign.
.
"We all have limits,"
Reserve Lieutenant David Zonshein, 28, a software
engineer and one of the two men who drafted the petition,
told Yedioth.
He said that although "you can be the best officer,"
suddenly,
"you are asked to do things that should
not be asked of you,
to shoot people,
to stop ambulances,
to destroy houses in which
you don't know if there are people
living."
.
Lieutenant Zonshein,
who wrote the petition with
Reserve Lieutenant Yaniv Itzkovich, 26,
a university teaching assistant,
declined to speak with foreign correspondents.
But along with several other
signatories of the petition,
they told Yedioth about incidents in
which Israeli troops had opened fire
on Palestinian children and
other civilians who posed no
apparent danger to their lives.
.
In a statement, the Israeli Army said:
"To serve in the Israeli Defense
Forces is obligatory under the law
and there is no place for reserve
soldiers to choose what jobs they
want and what jobs they don't want.
The writers of the petition don't represent the
soldiers and officers of the reserve who understand
their mission and are working days and nights toward
the security of the state of Israel and peace for its citizens."
.
Most Israeli men are required to serve as
army reservists until they are 45 years old,
typically spending a few weeks to a month
or more each year away from their families
and civilian jobs.
.
Raanan Gissin, spokesman for
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
acknowledged that allegations of abuse by
the army do happen and should be investigated,
but he dismissed the petition and refusals to
serve in the army as a "marginal phenomenon."
.
The petition
"undermines the basic tenet of Israeli democracy,"
he said.
"You can't have a government
in which people can decide
" they will bomb "this target but not that target.
You abide by the rule of the majority and
the majority has decided this is the
government and this is its policy."
.
Since the current Palestinian armed uprising
erupted in September 2000, more than 500
Israelis have refused to serve in the Israeli
occupied territories, including pacifists and
veterans, recruits and reservists,
according to such objectors.
.
Of that number, about 40 have been
sentenced to prison terms that are
generally brief, including 12 reserve
officers.
Others have been ignored or
given army jobs inside Israel.
.
Ram Rahat, 45, a former combat soldier
who refused to serve during Israel's
invasion of Lebanon in 1982,
said the current refusals mirror patterns
that emerged in previous conflicts.
He said it showed that people who
have gone through army reserve duty
"a couple of times, going through the
territories and seeing the reality of what's
going on there, are starting to get fed up
with it."
Mr. Rahat, an accountant, added,
"It's exactly what happened in
the first intifada as well.
As more and more people did reserve duty and
came back for their second and third tours,
there were more and more cases of refusal."
Liberals HATE America..
Yea, how dare he respond to those suicidal Arabs killing Jews!
Viejo Vizcacha
>
I beg to disagree. Though they both have in common the support of the USA
blocking any UN resolution condemning their crimes, they cannot be compared.
Had you said Pinochet, or P.W. Botha, I would have agreed with you.
Regards,
Vizcacha
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Pan.
amigocabal
Jacob Garbuz <jga...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> "Amigocabal" <par...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:3C5815E8...@bellsouth.net...
> > Sharon is no different than Pol Pot!
Nobody rules over Land of Sham or over palestinians, you know that! And I am
not a Palestinian, except by choice!
amigocabal
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Palestinians are responding to those Zionitsts using tanks, bulldozers,
rockets and F-15-s to kill Palestinians and destroy Palestinian homes!
H Simpson
He triggered those attacks! More Israelis have died in Palestinian
attacks since the arch-criminal Sharon was elected than at any time
before. To further his own political ambition he visited the temple
Mount thus destroying any hope of peace and triggering the second
Intifadah. He has stirred up more hatred for Israel than any other man
in history. He has much blood, Jewish and Moslem, on his hands. He it
pure evil and belongs with Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam, Bin Laden
etc. in Hell! So you think he is doing well??????
Poul
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:20:21 GMT, "Liberals HATE America.."
> <noe...@forme.com> wrote:
> >"Amigocabal" <par...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:3C5815E8...@bellsouth.net...
> >> Sharon is no different than Pol Pot!
> >Yea, how dare he respond to those suicidal Arabs killing Jews!
> He triggered those attacks! More Israelis have died in Palestinian
> attacks since the arch-criminal Sharon was elected than at any time
> before.
This is of course stupid lie. Actually it's two stupid lies.
To further his own political ambition he visited the temple
> Mount thus destroying any hope of peace and triggering the second
Another - third - stupid lie. Arabs theselves admit they planned
intifadah regardless of Sharon's visit.
> Intifadah. He has stirred up more hatred for Israel than any other man
> in history. He has much blood, Jewish and Moslem, on his hands. He it
> pure evil and belongs with Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam, Bin Laden
> etc. in Hell! So you think he is doing well??????
He is doing better than Barak, worse than Netanyahu and much better
then Rabin.
Adam Littman
>On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:20:21 GMT, "Liberals HATE America.."
><noe...@forme.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Amigocabal" <par...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>news:3C5815E8...@bellsouth.net...
>>> Sharon is no different than Pol Pot!
>>
>>Yea, how dare he respond to those suicidal Arabs killing Jews!
>
>He triggered those attacks! More Israelis have died in Palestinian
>attacks since the arch-criminal Sharon was elected than at any time
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have heard that song before "The Arabs are not
responsible for their violent, homicidal actions, tra-la-la-la".
Welcome to Earth. Where people are responsible for their own actions.
>before. To further his own political ambition he visited the temple
>Mount thus destroying any hope of peace and triggering the second
My, God!!! A JEW visited the single holiest place (to Jews) on Earth? Why of
course the natural Muslim response to that would be to murder as many innocent
men, women, and children as they could.
Not that that is saying much, that seems to be the natural Muslim response to
the Sun shining as well.
>Intifadah. He has stirred up more hatred for Israel than any other man
>in history. He has much blood, Jewish and Moslem, on his hands. He it
>pure evil and belongs with Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Saddam, Bin Laden
>etc. in Hell! So you think he is doing well??????
ROFL. Like Sabra and Shatila... Arabs commit brutal, vicious murders, but it
must be the fault of a Jew. Because the Arabs are mindless murder drones I
suppose.
Tough darts. Arab murderers are the ones at fault when Arabs commit murder.
Playing "pin the blame on the Jew" isn't going to change the reality behind
that.
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Deborah Nyob
>60 Israeli Veterans Refuse to Serve
Antisemitic rogerer clone torresD is really getting
off on this.
Maybe she's hot for these 60 vets to service her?
Deborah
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Viejo Vizcacha
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> torresD <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >60 Israeli Veterans Refuse to Serve
>
> Antisemitic rogerer clone torresD is really getting
> off on this.
>
> Maybe she's hot for these 60 vets to service her?
>
> Deborah
>
inuendo, she is scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
Larry R
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Johnny Canuck
particular).
The original post said those 60 vets objected to Israeli's treatment of
palestinians and so no reason to server in the occupied territories.
Stop quelching intellectual debate with false charges of anti-semitism. All
you do is sully the name of jews everywhere when you false use the
"anti-semetic" card to quelch intellectual discussion.
JC
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BTov
> .............
> The original post said those 60 vets objected to Israeli's treatment of
> palestinians and so no reason to server in the occupied territories.
> .............
and like with all armies they'll have all shit in their faces if they won't shut up
torresD
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=117594
Rebellion grows among Israeli reserve officers
By Phil Reeves in Jerusalem
01 February 2002
Internal links
Israel's armed forces are struggling to contain the
most serious internal challenge of the 16-month
Palestinian intifada after more than 100 combat
reservist soldiers signed a petition saying they
would not serve in the occupied territories.
At least four of the signatories have been stripped
of their command positions, and the army's chief of staff,
Lt-Gen Shaul Mofaz, declared that
"there is no place in Israel's
military forces for such occurrences".
The petition, which by last night had attracted
104 signatures, has prompted a national debate,
and a backlash within the army.
Another group of several hundred reservists
has signed a counter-petition accusing the
petitioners of "lies, distortions and unbridled
defamation of the army".
The issue erupted when a group of reservists,
led by two young lieutenants, published an
indictment of Israel's 35-year occupation in the
newspaper,
Yedioth Ahronoth,
saying that it was "corrupting the entire Israeli society".
Some of the signatories are officers
and others are from frontline units -
the paratroops, infantry and armoured
and artillery corps.
The petition said soldiers had been issued
commands while serving in the occupied
territories that
"had nothing to do with the security of our country",
and had
"the sole purpose of perpetuating our control"
over the Palestinians.
"We shall not continue to fight beyond the
1967 borders in order to dominate,
expel, starve and humiliate an entire people," it stated.
The reservists' protest is the most compelling
example of the simmering dissent within Israel
over the conflict.
In September, more than 65 Israeli teenagers
signed a letter to the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon,
saying that they would refuse to do compulsory military
service because of the "aggressive and racists
policies of the Israeli government and army".
A fortnight ago,
an article appeared in the
Ha'aretz newspaper by
Dr Yigal Shochat,
a physician who used to be an Israeli fighter pilot,
who called on F-16 pilots to refuse to bomb Palestinian cities.
At the same time, the army faced intense domestic
criticism for demolishing 60 Palestinian homes
in a Gaza refugee camp, while the Israeli left has
begun to accuse the army of war crimes.
The divided opinion in the military ranks
was further exposed by revelations that a
group of senior reserve officers, led by a
brigadier-general, were planning to present
the government with proposals for the
reoccupation of the West Bank and Gaza,
and the destruction of the Palestinian Authority.
Refusals to serve are not a
new problem for the Israeli army.
There were conscientious objectors in the
1982 Lebanon war and the first intifada,
from 1987 to 1992.
According to a group that represents
Israel's refusenik soldiers,
Yesh Gvul
(translated as "There is a limit"),
49 have been jailed this time round for
refusing to go to the occupied territories,
14 of them regular soldiers.
Most Israeli men and women are
conscripted into military service at age 18
-- men for three years, women for 21 months.
Israeli men also usually serve up to one month
of reserve duty every year until the age of 45.
Organisers of the reservists' petition say they
want to attract the support of at least 500 reservists.
They have declined to speak to the foreign press,
for fear of fuelling international anti-Israel sentiment.
But the Israeli media has pounced on the issue.
Itay Sviresky,
a lieutenant in a reserve paratroop unit,
told Channel Two TV that,
"as a human, a citizen and as a Zionist,
I feel that there are certain things that I can't take part in.
You have to be an occupier --
you can't be an enlightened occupier,
you have to be ... a cruel occupier."
The Israeli army has countered with a statement
saying that the petitioners were unrepresentative,
and pointing out that there is no place for soldiers
to choose what jobs they do and do not want.
A press officer cited the example of a 56-year-old
Tel Aviv lawyer, Avraham Dviri, who finished reserve
service eight years ago, but volunteered again last year.
After several Palestinian suicide attacks,
Israelis feel even more embattled than ever.
Mr Dviri represented the mood of many when
he said he "despised" the refusing reservists.
"An officer who says that he cannot serve
somewhere should not command other soldiers.
He should be dismissed with dishonour," he said.
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Viejo Vizcacha
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I can see that you enjoy arguing throwing shit in other people's faces. I am
sorry I cannot participate in your line of discussion.
Regards,
Vizcacha
Johnny Canuck
stand.
They have 1000X the moral standing of those who do everything they are told
unquestionably, even when they know some of what they are doing is wrong.
JC
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BTov
> I can see that you enjoy arguing throwing shit in other people's faces. I am
> sorry I cannot participate in your line of discussion.
you feel free to be lost but before you do it to my great satisfaction
reread the line fool..
BTov
> it takes guts to stand up to your superior's like that and take a moral
> stand.
it doesn't take guts
`moral stand' is hollow from every point..
====
> They have 1000X the moral standing of those who do everything they are told
> unquestionably, even when they know some of what they are doing is wrong.
Israeli Army's fed up with this shit
GHQ issued orders to check the service record of each wanker which
signed that phony letter, only two from the 60 something had served in
the so-called territories and participated in the arrest of
terrorists..
Binyamin Dissen
:>"Johnny Canuck" <Johnny_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<D_M68.30978$_F4.61...@news0.telusplanet.net>...
:>> it takes guts to stand up to your superior's like that and take a moral
:>> stand.
:>it doesn't take guts
:>`moral stand' is hollow from every point..
:>> They have 1000X the moral standing of those who do everything they are told
:>> unquestionably, even when they know some of what they are doing is wrong.
:>Israeli Army's fed up with this shit
:>GHQ issued orders to check the service record of each wanker which
:>signed that phony letter, only two from the 60 something had served in
:>the so-called territories and participated in the arrest of
:>terrorists..
Not at all surprising.
Your typical Meretznick that doesn't 21-rating himself out serves as a
jobnick.
What is more amusing is the way the Meretznicks that support these "soldiers"
act towards another group that refuses to serve because they are against the
Israeli governments actions - the Charedim. Somehow when the Charedi makes a
moral stand it has less value.
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http://www.dissensoftware.com
torresD
The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
Must Read Book, absolutely essential.
Noam Chomsky is an exceptional person,
we are very fortunate to have him.
Get This Book, Read, Study This Book.
Form a group to study this book, page by page.
G
left-wingingness which all anti-israelis and anti-americans love to
exploit...
see http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomskydocs.html
--
G
Deborah Nyob
>>it takes guts to stand up to your superior's like that and
>>take a moral stand.
>`moral stand' is hollow from every point..
But it DOES take guts to stand up to your superiors
in an Arab country like Arafatistan, where doing so
will most likely get you a bullet through the brain.
It doesn't take guts to stand up to your superiors
in a democracy like the US or Israel.
Deborah Nyob
>Fateful Triangle - Noam Chomsky
>The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
>Must Read Book, absolutely essential.
Right up there on the shelf with Mein Kampf.
ariadne
> Noam chomsky has proven right-wing alliances through his superficial
> left-wingingness which all anti-israelis and anti-americans love to
> exploit...
> see http://www.wernercohn.com/Chomskydocs.html
> --
> G
###
G, he was a very great linguist. He must hate what
propagandists do to words and meaning.
G
--
G
BTov
> Fateful Triangle - Noam Chomsky
> The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
`Fateful Triangle' was apparently `produced' after Chomsky visited the
area where Burma, Thailand and Laos kind'a joooooin.....
[female CPR for me, please......;L..aahmaa dyin'..of..;))]
ariadne
> torresD wrote:
> >Fateful Triangle - Noam Chomsky
> >The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
> >Must Read Book, absolutely essential.
>
> Right up there on the shelf with Mein Kampf.
>
> Deborah
###
Is it that bad or is it what it is moulded into?
Is he thought to be ill?
Yissaskhar Ben-Tzion
> The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
This book is proof:
Linguists should stick to linguism!
Gerry Toy
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GGT
Many thanks for reminding me --it's been years, but it impressed me
then and placed Noam Chomsky along with Alfred Lilienthal as my
personal heroes: Jewish Americans who dare to speak out!!
GGT
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Deborah Nyob
>>>Fateful Triangle - Noam Chomsky
>>>The United States, Israel & The Palestinians.
>>>Must Read Book, absolutely essential.
>>Right up there on the shelf with Mein Kampf.
>>Deborah
>Is it that bad or is it what it is moulded into?
>Is he thought to be ill?
Chomsky is universally beloved of antisemites.
Ditto Shahak. Chomsky may be a fine linguist,
but that's it.
Deborah Nyob
blahb
Gerry Toy wrote:
>Many thanks for reminding me --it's been years, but it impressed me
>then and placed Noam Chomsky along with Alfred Lilienthal as my
>personal heroes: Jewish Americans who dare to speak out!!
Interesting effect Chomsky/Lilienthal/Shahak and their ilk
have on the semicomatose and technically brain-dead.
ariadne
###
He couldn't have put it better himself in his
better days!
maria
Oliver Stone who ceased to develop intellectually after 1968 and are locked
in the past.
If people could just forget the past, forget the propaganda about
American/Israeli Imperialism, and understand that until Assir Yarrafats
Palestinian Authority stops sending (albeit by a nod and a wink) suicide
bombers into Israel to kill the peace process -there will be no peace.
Germaine Greer, who was a feminist once but now is a professional media
bigot, feels that the Taliban should still be in power and it was wrong of
the Allies to overthrow them. No doubt dear old Chomsky and Oliver Stone
feel the same.
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G
some people don't always change with the times nearly as well as they should, a
bit like Bush himself (well he only actually said part of this) said about the
CIA, that they were still too busy looking for spies, Spies still exist and are
commonplace in the USA but maybe if they succesfully reassed their priorities
years ago.. who knows how much better things could've been and how many lives
could've been saved...
Priority of any government or political activist is to make sure they are able
to keep up with the times.. instead of getting bogged down in "old-school" last
generation problems without addressing the new ones in their entirety.
--
G
Russil Wvong
I would be wary of accepting Chomsky's account of the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict at face value. I've commented
on Chomsky's unreliability as a source of historical information:
[http://www.geocities.com/rwvong/future/chomsky.html]
My own recommendation would be to read "The Arab World Today",
by William Polk, or "Righteous Victims", by Benny Morris; both
provide a reasonably balanced account, IMHO. Or, for that matter,
the article "The Middle East: Snakes and Ladders", by Avishai
Margalit, a co-founder of Peace Now.
[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/14224]
People on talk.politics.mideast may have other recommendations.
"The Fateful Triangle" was reviewed in 1984 by Avishai Margalit.
Here's some of his comments:
According to Chomsky, the Palestinians, as represented by the PLO,
are ready to recognize Israel. Recognize it, that is, in the sense
he considers "relevant" to international relations. It is Israel,
whether headed by the Labor Alignment or by a Likud government,
that, together with the US, presents in his view a rejection front
blocking a solution based on mutual recognition. Moreover, to
Chomsky, the Palestinians' readiness for recognition is
evident. The evidence, for him, is the unanimous decision in April
1981 by the PLO National Council to adopt Brezhnev's explicit
proposal that "it is essential to ensure the security and
sovereignty of all states of the region including those of
Israel." Brave words, no doubt. However, adopting someone else's
formula may be a tricky affair. You could uphold the "Brezhnev
proposal" without specifying its content, and you could then
choose from it the items that you like. In the meantime you ensure
the support of the proposal's sponsor. This is precisely the
method adopted by Begin when he endorsed UN Resolution 242, which,
in effect, calls for Israeli withdrawal from "[the] territories"
on all fronts, including the eastern front (the West Bank) and the
northern front (the Golan Heights). It was never Begin's intention
to withdraw from either one.
Another piece of evidence that Chomsky considers is the open
pronouncement by the Palestinian leader Issam Sartawi that the
PLO's readiness for recognition of Israel was "crystal clear." I
remember a press conference in Israel in 1976, at the time of the
siege of the Tel al-Zaatar camp in Beirut, when I sat close to
Matty Peled, who had just returned with a document he had written
with Sartawi. Peled read out the document that called for
Palestinian-Israeli coexistence. The journalists asked which PLO
representative had signed the document, but Peled would not reveal
his name. All he could do was give his word that there was such a
Palestinian. The reporters became insistent and angry: an
anonymously signed document was not what they had bargained
for. The room was hot, the atmosphere tense.
Leaving the building, I asked one of the reporters, a tough and
experienced journalist, whether he really doubted Peled's account,
for Peled is an honorable man. "That's not the issue," replied my
friend. "The issue is that by tomorrow morning there will be a
denial from Beirut." And so there was. Farouk Kadoumi of the PLO
promptly denied the content of the document, though not that a
meeting had taken place. Peled and his associates then issued a
statement under the title "Who Are You, Farouk Kadoumi?" The
embarrassing answer to this question, however, was that Kadoumi
was the PLO's "foreign minister," while Sartawi was, one might
say, its Nahum Goldmann. Kadoumi, incidentally, in a *Newsweek*
interview in the fall of 1976, said the Israelis will eventually
have to accept the PLO plan for a secular democratic state [the
one-state solution] even if they have to crawl all the way from
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in the process. This statement does not
appear in Chomsky's book.
Much has happened since those days. Before he was assassinated in
April 1983, Sartawi spoke out openly, sometimes with the covert
blessing of Arafat, in favor of mutual recognition. There were
various Palestinian signals seeming to suggest that with a modicum
of good will an Israeli government could embark upon a process
leading to negotiations. I believe that indeed there were such
signals, but that they were accompanied by too much surrounding
noise, whether in the form of contradictory statements or
differing proposals, or Palestinian violence. Chomsky hears only
the signals; most Israelis believe there has always been only
noise and no meaningful signals whatever.
In making the Palestinian case, as in many other matters, Chomsky
tends to present his views not just as true, but as obviously
true. The implication of this is that whoever contests these views
can only be a fool, or else a villain. Unlike many others, I find
many of Chomsky's beliefs true. But not one of them do I hold as
obviously true. I certainly do not regard the PLO's decision to
set up a "national entity" in any territory evacuated by Israel as
a clear signal that the Palestinians are prepared to create a
Palestinian state alongside Israel. I do believe, though, that
this might be the intention behind that noisy signal. Perhaps it
is a way of bypassing the resolution in the Palestinian covenant
calling for the creation of a Palestinian state in the entire
territory of Palestine. But whether or not this is the Palestinian
intention, it is not a clear signal.
[http://www.nybooks.com/articles/5798]
Margalit also notes that Chomsky hadn't been to Israel since the
early 1950s.
Russil Wvong
Vancouver, Canada
www.geocities.com/rwvong
wf...@ptd.net
wrote:
chomsky is a walking, talking bumpersticker full of cliches and
paranoia about american power.
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"This difference between liberalism and conservatism
must not be obscured by the fact that in the United
States it is still possible to defend individual
liberty by defending long-established institutions.
To the liberal they are valuable not mainly because
they are long established or because they are
American but because they correspond to the
ideals which he cherishes."
F. A. Hayek in "Why I am not a Conservative"
BTov
> But it DOES take guts to stand
> up to your superiors in an Arab
> country like Arafatistan, where
> doing so will most likely get you
> a bullet through the brain.
after they finish reading some appropriate bullshit prayer about evil
joooz they'll use a firing squad and allaakbar
> It doesn't take guts to stand up
> to your superiors in a democracy
> like the US or Israel.
all it takes is receiving money allocated for the Israeli lefties by
Euros and dance to their request..
Knesset wanted to review the foreign finance of those pathetic whimps,
rejects and chest-thumpers, because they're as grassroots as I'm
prince of Persia
SuperNova
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Kim Bebbington
<post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote:
>On 4 Feb 2002 11:39:36 -0800 dkas...@hotmail.com (BTov) wrote:
>
>:>"Johnny Canuck" <Johnny_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<D_M68.30978$_F4.61...@news0.telusplanet.net>...
>
>:>> it takes guts to stand up to your superior's like that and take a moral
>:>> stand.
>
>:>it doesn't take guts
>:>`moral stand' is hollow from every point..
>
>:>> They have 1000X the moral standing of those who do everything they are told
>:>> unquestionably, even when they know some of what they are doing is wrong.
>
>:>Israeli Army's fed up with this shit
>:>GHQ issued orders to check the service record of each wanker which
>:>signed that phony letter, only two from the 60 something had served in
>:>the so-called territories and participated in the arrest of
>:>terrorists..
>
>Not at all surprising.
>
>Your typical Meretznick that doesn't 21-rating himself out serves as a
>jobnick.
You haven't got a fucken clue, Dissen.
"Your typical Meretznick"? Like who?
Ran Cohen- commander of an elite combat unit?
So what great combat role did you fill, Dissen? Mefaked kashrut?
>What is more amusing is the way the Meretznicks that support these "soldiers"
It is not "amusing"; it is an outright lie.
These "soldiers" have received support from no political party other
than the Arab lists and the communists.
Get a fucken clue before you open your mouth, Dissen.