default font for hebrew (and maybe other langs)

[mark kaplun]

Hi everybody,

I would like to suggest that all the default fonts for each language as it
is installed with mozilla, will match the defualt fonts that IE uses for the
same language.

My experiance is that in hebrew the default font ("aharoni") is a heavy
font, which makes reading big pages harder. Switching the font to "david"
as it is used in IE made the world look much brighter.

Mark.

[Simon Montagu]

I filed bug 149796 on changing the defaults. I would prefer Narkisim to
David, because David doesn't look great at low resolutions.

[mark kaplun]

I think david is better (who is the user which do not work with less then
600x800 ?) , but this is not realy my point. My point is that users of IE on
windows are used to the defualts used by IE, so from a users prespetive, the
default IE setting becomes some kind of de-facto standard.

Having no other reason to preffer one font over the other, I think that
mozilla should use IE defaults (maybe even read the current settings from
the registry as part of the instalation process) in order to provide a
smother migration for people which are currently using IE.

IMHO this reasoning should be applied for all languages not just hebrew.

Mark.

"Simon Montagu" <smon...@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:3D00126C...@netscape.com...

[Tsahi Asher]

Simon Montagu wrote:

i think Arial is the best font for displaying on a screen, because it
has a very clean line, with a minimum of angles. it's my default font on
Moz and NS.

--
Tsahi Asher
Hebrew L10n Team
http://www.mozilla.org.il

[Andrea]

Tsahi Asher wrote:
> Simon Montagu wrote:
>> mark kaplun wrote:

>>> I would like to suggest that all the default fonts for each

>>> language as it is installed with mozilla, will match the default

>>> fonts that IE uses for the same language.
>>>
>>> My experiance is that in hebrew the default font ("aharoni") is a
>>> heavy font, which makes reading big pages harder. Switching the
>>> font to "david" as it is used in IE made the world look much
>>> brighter.
>>

>> I filed bug 149796 on changing the defaults. I would prefer
>> Narkisim to David, because David doesn't look great at low
>> resolutions.
>
> i think Arial is the best font for displaying on a screen, because
> it has a very clean line, with a minimum of angles. it's my default
> font on Moz and NS.

Mark, since Moz takes the 1st available font with the needed glyphs,
when the predefined ones are not available, I'm seeing Hebrew
with Arial Unicode. This should explain why I'm seeing a good looking,
readable Hebrew text on my Mozilla.

Irony wants Hebrew text looks worst on Hebrew machines (where David
is installed).

Andrea

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[mark kaplun]

"Andrea" <whok...@dontexist.net> wrote in message
news:3D0BC412...@dontexist.net...

> Tsahi Asher wrote:
> > Simon Montagu wrote:
> >> mark kaplun wrote:
>
> >>> I would like to suggest that all the default fonts for each
> >>> language as it is installed with mozilla, will match the default
> >>> fonts that IE uses for the same language.
> >>>
> >>> My experiance is that in hebrew the default font ("aharoni") is a
> >>> heavy font, which makes reading big pages harder. Switching the
> >>> font to "david" as it is used in IE made the world look much
> >>> brighter.
> >>
> >> I filed bug 149796 on changing the defaults. I would prefer
> >> Narkisim to David, because David doesn't look great at low
> >> resolutions.
> >
> > i think Arial is the best font for displaying on a screen, because
> > it has a very clean line, with a minimum of angles. it's my default
> > font on Moz and NS.
>
> Mark, since Moz takes the 1st available font with the needed glyphs,
> when the predefined ones are not available, I'm seeing Hebrew
> with Arial Unicode. This should explain why I'm seeing a good looking,
> readable Hebrew text on my Mozilla.
>
> Irony wants Hebrew text looks worst on Hebrew machines (where David
> is installed).
>
> Andrea
>

IMO this should not be the default behaviour of MOZ. I think that upon
installation MOZ should try harder to detect the current fonts used by the
user, like reading the IEPropFontName from win32 registry, and only when
there is no other way, to use the algorithem you have described.

I believe that most users (not geeks like us ;-) ) don't know how to best
costumize fonts and colors in their working enviroment, so MOZ has to come
up looking good in terms of fonts and color immidiatly after installation.

Mark.