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Dave Taylor

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Feb 24, 2002, 8:17:42 AM2/24/02
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Why why why why WHY????

Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday party??? I
even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too busy
being a stupid depressed arsehole!!

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Sorry.

--
Dave Taylor ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk

"You're ambivalent"
"Well, I am and I'm not"
[Angel]

The Joy of Bex

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Feb 24, 2002, 4:51:02 PM2/24/02
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"Dave Taylor" <ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:

> Why why why why WHY????
> Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday party??? I
> even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too busy
> being a stupid depressed arsehole!!
> Grrrrrrrrrrr.

That's nice, dear.

Becca xx


Dave Taylor

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Feb 24, 2002, 6:01:00 PM2/24/02
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Look, it made me feel a little bit better, so I don't really care if you
patronize me.

--
Dave Taylor ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk

"I've never been happier to be beaten up by a woman"
[Futurama]

RjY

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Feb 24, 2002, 7:23:18 PM2/24/02
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Dave Taylor typed...

>Why why why why WHY????
>Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday party??? I
>even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too busy
>being a stupid depressed arsehole!!
>Grrrrrrrrrrr.
>Sorry.

Poor Dave :-(

Think of it this way - you've got the whole cake to yourself now!

By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
left there is there? I hope not.

--
RjY at The Realm of anARCHy .co.uk | http://www.simonheywood.org.uk/~rjy/
"Sexually repressed"

Jez

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Feb 24, 2002, 7:58:06 PM2/24/02
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"RjY" <R...@sp.am> wrote in message
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> Dave Taylor typed...
> >Why why why why WHY????
> >Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday party???
I
> >even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too
busy
> >being a stupid depressed arsehole!!
> >Grrrrrrrrrrr.
> >Sorry.
>
> Poor Dave :-(
>
> Think of it this way - you've got the whole cake to yourself now!
>
> By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
> left there is there? I hope not.

This sounds like quite a party!

Jez.


Amy

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Feb 25, 2002, 11:24:58 AM2/25/02
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RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote:
> Dave Taylor typed...
>>Why why why why WHY????
>>Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday party??? I
>>even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too busy
>>being a stupid depressed arsehole!!
>>Grrrrrrrrrrr.
>>Sorry.
>
> Poor Dave :-(
>
> Think of it this way - you've got the whole cake to yourself now!

No he hasn't, he gave us some yesterday ;-)


>
> By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
> left there is there? I hope not.

??????????

Was *that* what you were doing with Sarah on the stairs?

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The Joy of Bex

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Feb 25, 2002, 5:46:54 PM2/25/02
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"Dave Taylor" <ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> The Joy of Bex <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Dave Taylor" <ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:

> >> Why why why why WHY????
> >> Why can't I stop myself doing that, even at my fucking birthday
party??? I
> >> even forgot about the huge cake my parents bought me, cause I was too
busy
> >> being a stupid depressed arsehole!!
> >> Grrrrrrrrrrr.
> > That's nice, dear.
> Look, it made me feel a little bit better, so I don't really care if you
> patronize me.

I'm not patronising you, I'm just a bit fed up with it, that's all.

HTH

dB


Dave Taylor

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Feb 25, 2002, 6:36:35 PM2/25/02
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So am I. I wish I could just deal with it in private and then appear normal,
like you seemed to be able to, but I can't. I just sometimes have to say
things, even though I know they're stupid and pointless, and there wasn't
anyone around to say them to at the time.

I know that this stuff pisses people off sometimes, and I know that in real
terms my 'problems' are meaningless and trivial, but if I could just get
rid of these feelings simply by rational thought, I'd have done it years
ago.

--
Dave Taylor ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk

"Ah ... sweet liquor eases the pain"
[Simpsons]

RjY

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Feb 25, 2002, 7:08:17 PM2/25/02
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Jez typed...

>"RjY" <R...@sp.am> wrote in message
>news:3c7983f6$0$29611$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
>> By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
>> left there is there? I hope not.
>This sounds like quite a party!

You have no idea ;-)

--
RjY at The Realm of anARCHy .co.uk | http://www.simonheywood.org.uk/~rjy/

"``I'm into homosexual necrophilia,'' he cried, in dead earnest"

RjY

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Feb 25, 2002, 7:36:32 PM2/25/02
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Amy typed...

>RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote:
>> By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
>> left there is there? I hope not.
>??????????
>Was *that* what you were doing with Sarah on the stairs?

What the hells are you talking about?

It was the ceiling in the front room... in fact not too far from
directly above where you were sitting.

In fact, I've just remembered. Dave took a picture.

--
RjY at The Realm of anARCHy .co.uk | http://www.simonheywood.org.uk/~rjy/

"Up and down like a whore's drawers!"

Julie Bellingham

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Feb 26, 2002, 4:29:23 AM2/26/02
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This affects you so much, so why don't you go to the doctors? There's
stuff they can do. Maybe asked to be referred to a proper counsellor
as opposed to the university ones. It seems to me that the problem is
not just that you have dark moods, it's more that you seem to blame
everyone around you for the way you feel.

If you could talk to someone, it might help...

Julie

Amy

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Feb 26, 2002, 12:32:00 PM2/26/02
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RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote:
> Amy typed...
>>RjY <R...@sp.am> wrote:
>>> By the way now your ceiling's dried, there isn't a huge orange stain
>>> left there is there? I hope not.
>>??????????
>>Was *that* what you were doing with Sarah on the stairs?
>
> What the hells are you talking about?
>
> It was the ceiling in the front room... in fact not too far from
> directly above where you were sitting.

But what are you talking about? I don't remember you spilling anything, or
even throwing orange liquid at the ceiling. Or anyone else doing said
actions.

--
Amy
www.warwick.ac.uk/~phulv/photos.html - pictures from my party!

I'll kick you in the balls if you don't join!

Dave Taylor

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Feb 26, 2002, 12:46:16 PM2/26/02
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Amy <ph...@warwickblah.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>Was *that* what you were doing with Sarah on the stairs?
>> What the hells are you talking about?
>> It was the ceiling in the front room... in fact not too far from
>> directly above where you were sitting.
> But what are you talking about? I don't remember you spilling anything, or
> even throwing orange liquid at the ceiling. Or anyone else doing said
> actions.

That's cause you and Vin hadn't arrived then.

--
Dave Taylor ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk

"Dewey you fool! Your decimal system has played right
into my hands!"
[Futurama]

Amy

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Feb 26, 2002, 12:52:59 PM2/26/02
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Dave Taylor <ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
> Amy <ph...@warwickblah.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>Was *that* what you were doing with Sarah on the stairs?
>>> What the hells are you talking about?
>>> It was the ceiling in the front room... in fact not too far from
>>> directly above where you were sitting.
>> But what are you talking about? I don't remember you spilling anything, or
>> even throwing orange liquid at the ceiling. Or anyone else doing said
>> actions.
>
> That's cause you and Vin hadn't arrived then.

Ah, sensible words at last!

So why was Rob peeing on your ceiling?

--
Amy
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ohmygodweek10bugger

The Joy of Bex

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Feb 27, 2002, 8:10:30 AM2/27/02
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There's nothing wrong with being really miserable - God knows I was for
months after my mum died, but I would have lost all my friends if I'd gone
round being that way in public as well as in private. All it takes is a bit
of willpower and a bit of self-respect. You have to agree with yourself
(there's no one else involved here) exactly how you're going to be around
other people, and then stick to it. It's a bit like acting out a role at
first but it very quickly becomes easy. If you feel yourself slipping, go
home, or find somewhere you can be on your own.

There's no harm in bawling your eyes out / being depressed when you're on
your own, but it starts to affect other people's perceptions of you after a
while, and it gets to the stage where they just can't be bothered with you.

And I'm not meaning to patronise, I'm trying to help.

B xx


The Joy of Bex

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Feb 27, 2002, 8:12:19 AM2/27/02
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"Julie Bellingham" <plasm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Taylor wrote:

> > I know that this stuff pisses people off sometimes, and I know that in
real
> > terms my 'problems' are meaningless and trivial, but if I could just get
> > rid of these feelings simply by rational thought, I'd have done it years
> > ago.
> This affects you so much, so why don't you go to the doctors? There's
> stuff they can do. Maybe asked to be referred to a proper counsellor
> as opposed to the university ones. It seems to me that the problem is
> not just that you have dark moods, it's more that you seem to blame
> everyone around you for the way you feel.

Any counsellor will just tell you that you have 'issues' with 'projection'
which basically just means that when you're miserable, everyone around you
has to know about it. You need to ask yourself why you want everyone to
know all the time, and then you can start to do something about it.

I have problems with projection too (DC identified that within 3 months of
my starting) and now I'm working on it.

B xx


Jez

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Feb 27, 2002, 10:25:44 AM2/27/02
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"The Joy of Bex" <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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There's a difference between being unhappy as a response to a bereavement or
extended period of stress and sustained depression for no apparent cause.
Sometimes the brain's point of equilibrium gets disturbed from a functional
position and it needs a damn good kick to get it back.

Are you functional, Dave? Do you have enough energy? Do things seem worth
doing?

Jez.


Danny Chrastina

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Feb 27, 2002, 10:40:01 AM2/27/02
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Jez wrote:

> There's a difference between being unhappy as a response to a bereavement or
> extended period of stress and sustained depression for no apparent cause.

There's certainly a difference, in that others can relate to you
if you're unhappy for a particular reason. Often I'm struck by a general
malaise which doesn't seem to have been caused by much more than a trivial
thing, and it's really hard to explain it to someone who wants to help.

--
Danny.

Michelle Hall Smells
Just Like Her Dad

| Mr. Danny Chrastina
| http://www.chrastina.net/

dev/null

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Feb 27, 2002, 11:20:25 AM2/27/02
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What Dave obviously needs is an aluminium foil deflector beanie to jam the
psychotronic rays that are making him feel depressed:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

_Case_Study_

http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phuiv/photos/sunflower.jpg
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phuiv/photos/hair1.jpg

Notice that the deflector beanies worn in the above images are not made
out of aluminium. The result:

http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phuiv/photos/killer1.jpg

HTH.

Warwick Dumas

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Feb 27, 2002, 11:35:28 AM2/27/02
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"The Joy of Bex" <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bellingham" <plasm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Dave Taylor wrote:
>
> > > I know that this stuff pisses people off sometimes, and I know that in
> real
> > > terms my 'problems' are meaningless and trivial, but if I could just
get
> > > rid of these feelings simply by rational thought, I'd have done it
years
> > > ago.
> > This affects you so much, so why don't you go to the doctors? There's
> > stuff they can do. Maybe asked to be referred to a proper counsellor
> > as opposed to the university ones. It seems to me that the problem is
> > not just that you have dark moods, it's more that you seem to blame
> > everyone around you for the way you feel.
>
> Any counsellor will just tell you that you have 'issues' with 'projection'
> which basically just means that when you're miserable, everyone around you
> has to know about it. You need to ask yourself why you want everyone to
> know all the time, and then you can start to do something about it.

Well that's not at all what I use it to mean, so I can assure you that your
word 'projection' is officially *wrong*.


dev/null

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Feb 27, 2002, 11:49:53 AM2/27/02
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In article <a5inea$k98$2...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, The Joy of Bex wrote:

>"Julie Bellingham" <plasm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> This affects you so much, so why don't you go to the doctors? There's
>> stuff they can do. Maybe asked to be referred to a proper counsellor
>> as opposed to the university ones. It seems to me that the problem is
>> not just that you have dark moods, it's more that you seem to blame
>> everyone around you for the way you feel.
>
>Any counsellor will just tell you that you have 'issues' with 'projection'
>which basically just means that when you're miserable, everyone around you
>has to know about it. You need to ask yourself why you want everyone to
>know all the time, and then you can start to do something about it.
>
>I have problems with projection too (DC identified that within 3 months of
>my starting) and now I'm working on it.

Will these 'counsellors' help resolve these 'issues' with 'projection' if
you pay them their projection money?

Nicholas Jackson

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Feb 27, 2002, 12:04:00 PM2/27/02
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scripsit Danny Chrastina ...

>On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Jez wrote:
>> There's a difference between being unhappy as a response to a bereavement or
>> extended period of stress and sustained depression for no apparent cause.
>
> There's certainly a difference, in that others can relate to you
>if you're unhappy for a particular reason. Often I'm struck by a general
>malaise which doesn't seem to have been caused by much more than a trivial
>thing, and it's really hard to explain it to someone who wants to help.

Indeed. I've seen various different reports which say that n% (where n
is larger than you might have thought - typically between 10 and 20) of
people will suffer from some form of clinical depression during their
life.

Jez is right that there's a difference between being unhappy as a
result of a specific incident or situation, being unhappy for no
apparent reason, and just being a bit fed up for a couple of hours.

The former two would (I'd say) probably qualify as `depression' whereas
the third is just part of everyday life. But people generally use the
phrase ``I'm a bit depressed'' to describe all three, with the result
that those in the first two categories can get downgraded (by others)
to low-grade ``being a bit moody'', rather than the usually more
accurate ``suffering from intense, debilitating, mind-scrambling
fear/self-hatred/unhappiness/etc''.

That is, most people these days say ``I'm depressed'' when they're fed
up, meaning that when someone who is actually (acute or chronic)
depressive describes themselves as such, they're less likely to be
taken seriously or understood.

nicholas

--
Our universe is a fragile house of atoms, held together by the weak
mortar of cause-and-effect. One magician would be two too many.

Jez

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"Warwick Dumas" <war...@4mymail.co.uk> wrote in message
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I thought projection had to do with blaming everybody else.

Jez.


Tracy Moffat

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Feb 28, 2002, 6:09:23 AM2/28/02
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>
> Any counsellor will just tell you that

or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
approach, some help more than others it seems :/

you have 'issues' with 'projection'
> which basically just means that when you're miserable, everyone around you
> has to know about it. You need to ask yourself why you want everyone to
> know all the time, and then you can start to do something about it.
>
> I have problems with projection too (DC identified that within 3 months of
> my starting) and now I'm working on it.
>
> B xx
>
>
>

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Mr W M Dumas

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Feb 28, 2002, 7:22:26 AM2/28/02
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Jez wrote:

It does, but it means identifying something (probably other people) as
having the vices which one tries to ignore in oneself. Or virtues.

Mr W M Dumas

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Feb 28, 2002, 7:26:05 AM2/28/02
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Danny Chrastina wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Jez wrote:
>
> > There's a difference between being unhappy as a response to a bereavement or
> > extended period of stress and sustained depression for no apparent cause.
>
> There's certainly a difference, in that others can relate to you
> if you're unhappy for a particular reason. Often I'm struck by a general
> malaise which doesn't seem to have been caused by much more than a trivial
> thing, and it's really hard to explain it to someone who wants to help.

You probably mean a trivial thing that actually objectively is trivial,
but which you can't seem to put in perspective.

Nicholas Jackson

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Feb 28, 2002, 7:56:13 AM2/28/02
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scripsit Jez ...

>I thought projection had to do with blaming everybody else.

In my experience, projection has very much to do with everyone being
oblivious to your existence until something goes wrong and then they
start jeering, clapping, and (in extreme cases) hammering on the door
until you manage to splice the film back together again.

nicholas

--
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered. My life is my own.

Ian Morris

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Feb 28, 2002, 9:50:08 AM2/28/02
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Tracy Moffat <tr...@apl.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.33.02022...@mercury.apl.ucl.ac.uk>...

> >
> > Any counsellor will just tell you that
>
> or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
> drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
> approach, some help more than others it seems :/

The counsellors I have spoken to at Warwick (Gail and Richard) are
competent and capable individuals who have genuinely helped me to make
real and substantial improvements in my life. What's the fucking
problem here?


Ian.
--

"You are always badgering me about my ring."

Jez

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Feb 28, 2002, 10:02:19 AM2/28/02
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"Mr W M Dumas" <ec...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Ah, but I think you normally can put it into perspective, intellectually,
but you still feel like shit anyway. That's why it's embarrassing and
annoying and tabboo.

Jez.


Julie Bellingham

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Feb 28, 2002, 10:18:56 AM2/28/02
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I love the aggresive last sentence - it kind of diminishes your
previous point! :) (Unless _that_ was an ironic point)

Why does there have to be a problem? It's good they helped you, but
they may not help everyone. They're trained mainly to listen (as far
as I can tell) and some people need goals and actual positive advice
as opposed to just a sympathetic ear. The one I went to see when I
was trying to break up with the stalker wasn't able to help at all.
That's just my experience though.

Julie

Danny Chrastina

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Feb 28, 2002, 11:51:51 AM2/28/02
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Nicholas Jackson wrote:

> scripsit Jez ...
> >I thought projection had to do with blaming everybody else.
>
> In my experience, projection has very much to do with everyone being
> oblivious to your existence until something goes wrong and then they

> start jeering, clapping...

"Dad, do you know what Schadenfreude is?"

"No, I do not know what shaden-frawde is. Please tell me, because I'm
dying to know."

"It's a German term for `shameful joy', taking pleasure in the suffering
of others."

"Oh, come on Lisa. I'm just glad to see him fall flat on his butt! He's
usually all happy and comfortable, and surrounded by loved ones, and it
makes me feel... What's the opposite of that shameful joy thing of
yours?"

"Sour grapes."

"Boy, those Germans have a word for everything."

--
Danny.

God gave us life... he also gave us Lionel Blair

Ian Morris

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Feb 28, 2002, 12:27:33 PM2/28/02
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Julie Bellingham <plasm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3C7E4A60...@yahoo.co.uk>...

> Ian Morris wrote:
> >
> > Tracy Moffat <tr...@apl.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.33.02022...@mercury.apl.ucl.ac.uk>...
> > > >
> > > > Any counsellor will just tell you that
> > >
> > > or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
> > > drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
> > > approach, some help more than others it seems :/
> >
> > The counsellors I have spoken to at Warwick (Gail and Richard) are
> > competent and capable individuals who have genuinely helped me to make
> > real and substantial improvements in my life. What's the fucking
> > problem here?
>
> I love the aggresive last sentence - it kind of diminishes your
> previous point! :)

You're right, I have to laugh at myself here! :)

This isn't the first time people have been slagging counsellors on
here (or misc?), and it irritates me because I have considerable
respect for them.

> Why does there have to be a problem? It's good they helped you, but
> they may not help everyone. They're trained mainly to listen (as far
> as I can tell) and some people need goals and actual positive advice
> as opposed to just a sympathetic ear. The one I went to see when I
> was trying to break up with the stalker wasn't able to help at all.
> That's just my experience though.

It does depend a great deal on one's particular problem. However a
good counsellor - and there are good counsellors at the university -
should be able to help you to find your own goals, and find ways to
overcome your own difficulties, whilst remaining impartial. I would
say that a counsellor is somewhat more than a sympathetic ear.


Ian.
--

"fa fa-fa fa, fa-fa fa-fa fa fa, better"

Tracy Moffat

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Mar 1, 2002, 4:36:43 AM3/1/02
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> > > > > Any counsellor will just tell you that
> > > >
> > > > or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
> > > > drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
> > > > approach, some help more than others it seems :/
> > >
> > > The counsellors I have spoken to at Warwick (Gail and Richard) are
> > > competent and capable individuals who have genuinely helped me to make
> > > real and substantial improvements in my life. What's the fucking
> > > problem here?
> >

none, i was just pointing out that if u do get someone who doesn't come
across as actually wanting to help you then u may be stuck. i've always
heard good things about the ones at the uni but at the time it had taken
me 3 years to actually admit i might need to see one and then after that
experience with one in leamington i was too, well scared, disillusioned i
spose to go and see them. In hindsight it most prob wasn't the best option
in the world, but i thought that i wou;dn't be taken seriously.

ttfn
T

Rutherford

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Mar 1, 2002, 12:09:15 PM3/1/02
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Tracy Moffat wrote:
> none, i was just pointing out that if u do get someone who doesn't come
> across as actually wanting to help you then u may be stuck. i've always
> heard good things about the ones at the uni but at the time it had taken
> me 3 years to actually admit i might need to see one and then after that
> experience with one in leamington i was too, well scared, disillusioned i
> spose to go and see them. In hindsight it most prob wasn't the best option
> in the world, but i thought that i wou;dn't be taken seriously.

There were many, many times during my degree when I felt like paying a
visit to some counselling service but I just didn't believe it'd help me.
One tends to subconciously think "Oh, those things are for other people,"
and not bother. I still don't know whether or not it would have been
useful.

I suppose I've also been fortunate enough to know a few good friends who
helped me out when I needed it, including my personal tutor.

--
Simon Heywood
http://www.simonheywood.org.uk/
Michael Buerk jacket


The Joy of Bex

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"Jez" <jeza...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Joy of Bex" <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Dave Taylor" <ph...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:

> There's a difference between being unhappy as a response to a bereavement
or
> extended period of stress and sustained depression for no apparent cause.
> Sometimes the brain's point of equilibrium gets disturbed from a
functional
> position and it needs a damn good kick to get it back.

Yes, don't you think I know that? I'm talking of my personal experience of
depression as a whole (and bear in mind I go through irrational depression
for 2 days every single sodding month), not just in relation to when my mum
died - so please don't dismiss so readily what I have to say.

Cunts.

Becca xx


The Joy of Bex

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"Jez" <jeza...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > You probably mean a trivial thing that actually objectively is trivial,
> > but which you can't seem to put in perspective.
> Ah, but I think you normally can put it into perspective, intellectually,
> but you still feel like shit anyway. That's why it's embarrassing and
> annoying and tabboo.

Mmm... Taboo.... doh!

Anyway I have PMT once a month where I cry all day at work and think I'm too
crap to do my job and everyone hates me and blah. Hinders my job prospects
something chronic. HOWEVER since I had my food sensitivity testing and
discovered caffeine was making me go up and down, I haven't had a trace of
PMT. Might be worth a try, Dave.

Becca xx


The Joy of Bex

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"Tracy Moffat" <tr...@apl.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> > Any counsellor will just tell you that
> or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
> drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
> approach, some help more than others it seems :/

Mmm... handy...

Exercise really does help though. I always feel tonnes better about
everything after playing badminton. Or clubbing till 5am to Lottie and Timo
Maas like Elliot and I were doing last night :o)

Becca xx


The Joy of Bex

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"Ian Morris" <ianmo...@netscapeonline.co.uk> wrote:

> > or, if you're really luckey they will tell you to do more exercise and
> > drink more water. Maybe thats just counsellors in leam that have that
> > approach, some help more than others it seems :/
> The counsellors I have spoken to at Warwick (Gail and Richard) are
> competent and capable individuals who have genuinely helped me to make
> real and substantial improvements in my life. What's the fucking
> problem here?

Oh, grow up.

Becca xx


The Joy of Bex

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"Rutherford" <simon....@physics.org> wrote:

> There were many, many times during my degree when I felt like paying a
> visit to some counselling service but I just didn't believe it'd help me.
> One tends to subconciously think "Oh, those things are for other people,"
> and not bother. I still don't know whether or not it would have been
> useful.
> I suppose I've also been fortunate enough to know a few good friends who
> helped me out when I needed it, including my personal tutor.

You've hit the nail on the head here. I went to see a counsellor who
basically did what one of my friends would have done, but worse, and with
less actual advice and swearing involved. Counsellors are only any use if
you can't talk to someone else about it.

My mumeeeeeee was my counsellor unfortunately :o(

Becca xx


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Mar 3, 2002, 7:35:07 AM3/3/02
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The Joy of Bex typed...

>Exercise really does help though. I always feel tonnes better about
>everything after playing badminton. Or clubbing till 5am to Lottie and Timo
>Maas like Elliot and I were doing last night :o)

I'm jealous :-/ :-)

--
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"Occupation?"
"... Er, bum."

Rutherford

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On 3 Mar 2002, RjY wrote:
> The Joy of Bex typed...
> >Exercise really does help though. I always feel tonnes better about
> >everything after playing badminton. Or clubbing till 5am to Lottie and Timo
> >Maas like Elliot and I were doing last night :o)
> I'm jealous :-/ :-)

I went out clubbing with Noel & friends to some goth club in town. Goth my
arse - they went through the playlist for MTV2... ;-) Not that I'm
complaining, really. It's not like there are any indie type places round
here.

Good thing I didn't go to The Matrix[1] that evening - a couple of people
were shot, as detailed on BBC News Online.

No nonsense.

[1] Although it was some big garage night.

Warwick Dumas

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"The Joy of Bex" <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well it's not beer that does it ... he runs away from it! ;-)


RjY

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Rutherford typed...

>Good thing I didn't go to The Matrix[1] that evening - a couple of people
>were shot, as detailed on BBC News Online.
>[1] Although it was some big garage night.

Shite, I forgot The Matrix is in Reading! They have some wicked
drum & bass nights down there sometimes.

But yeah, the garage scene is completely thugged out. Some places I've
heard about, you can't actually go into them, smiling. It's not about
the music at all, it's just dark. Blame testosterone :-)

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"Dispenses images of dead presidents!"

Jez

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"The Joy of Bex" <be...@chickenandspampie.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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2 days being the operative phrase. Extend that to two years and you'd be
closer to it, perhaps.

But I didn't mean to dismiss anything that you said, but add another
example.

I hope this doesn't descend into a `I'm more emotionally fucked up than you'
contest. I can't think of anything more, well, fucked up, so I guess I win
for merely mentioning the idea.

Knobs.

Jez.


Ian Morris

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Rutherford <simon....@physics.org> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.020303...@maxwell.simonheywood.org.uk>...

> I went out clubbing with Noel & friends to some goth club in town. Goth my
> arse - they went through the playlist for MTV2... ;-)

I saw Apoptygma Berzerk live last night. They were fucking fantastic,
and the first support band, Echo Image, were pretty damn fine too. Now
_that's_ proper goth ;)

http://www.gothic.net/pollBooth.php?pollID=16

Actually, while I'm at it, this is excellent:

http://internettrash.com/users/salatrel/hunting.htm


Ian.
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In article <ea6d3338.02030...@posting.google.com>, Ian Morris wrote:
>Rutherford <simon....@physics.org> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.020303...@maxwell.simonheywood.org.uk>...
>
>> I went out clubbing with Noel & friends to some goth club in town. Goth my
>> arse - they went through the playlist for MTV2... ;-)
>
>I saw Apoptygma Berzerk live last night. They were fucking fantastic,
>and the first support band, Echo Image, were pretty damn fine too. Now
>_that's_ proper goth ;)
>
>http://www.gothic.net/pollBooth.php?pollID=16
>
>Actually, while I'm at it, this is excellent:
>
>http://internettrash.com/users/salatrel/hunting.htm

While we're at it let's (not) try and resurrect (sorry) that tamagothi
meme:

http://www.gothic.net/~luvcraft/tamagothi/tamagothi.html

Dickerty

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ianmo...@netscapeonline.co.uk (Ian Morris) wrote in message news:<ea6d3338.02030...@posting.google.com>...
> I saw Apoptygma Berzerk live last night. They were fucking fantastic,
> and the first support band, Echo Image, were pretty damn fine too. Now
> _that's_ proper goth ;)
>
> http://www.gothic.net/pollBooth.php?pollID=16
>
> Actually, while I'm at it, this is excellent:
>
> http://internettrash.com/users/salatrel/hunting.htm
>
>
> Ian.

I was at this gig too, although I'm not a goth. My fiance's brother
was the promoter, his first ever attempt, so we went along to support
him. And I was seriously impressed, they were a cracking band. The
best band I've ever seen that I'd never heard of!

For any Londeners out there, they are playing The Ocean in Hackney
tomorrow (Tuesday 5th), and with the numbers the expect, it should be
a belter...

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