The truth
Tiger
news:37d3b6c7.02041...@posting.google.com:
> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have
> we not?
No.
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David Gehrig
> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> not?
Really? Name some. Be specific.
> Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
> however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
> their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question it.
>
> There is SO much evidence to at least make the average intelligent man
> stand back and say "hold on just a minute...maybe i should question
> what i've been told before" but sentimentality and fear of standing
> out is preventing them.
That and a little thing called massive corroborative
historical evidence.
> Is the truth (however much it hurts to tell it) better than living the
> biggest lie in history? Of course it is.
>
> Now is the time to stop thinking "it can't have all been a lie!" and
> to start thinking "maybe I should investigate this further".
If you're going to be a Holocaust denier, you'll need
to stop thinking altogether.
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stillsunny
Wightman) wrote:
>We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
>not?
No. What in the sam hill are you up to?
>Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
>however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
>their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question it.
Questioning is not wrong, and despite what you see on Usenet, there's
a significant amount of it going on in churches.
>There is SO much evidence to at least make the average intelligent man
>stand back and say "hold on just a minute...maybe i should question
>what i've been told before" but sentimentality and fear of standing
>out is preventing them.
Good thing you were here for the universal psychoanalysis.
>Is the truth (however much it hurts to tell it) better than living the
>biggest lie in history? Of course it is.
What is the biggest lie?
I'd say denial of the holocaust ranks right up there.
It's rather difficult to deny a neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist.
What do you think about the moon landing? Think that was a great big
conspiracy and hoax, too?
>Now is the time to stop thinking "it can't have all been a lie!" and
>to start thinking "maybe I should investigate this further".
Yes, you should.
>As <label>revisionists</label> we must seek to educate those that come
>to us for the truth. We must present facts and let the 'intelligent
>man' decide for themselves in an openminded manner.
Interesting. I did think you were far too antagonistic out of the
gate to be only interested in theology. Are you one of the church
members that sounds like a sneeze?
>Maybe it won't happen today...but tomorrow is ours for the taking.
Have at it. I'm living today. You've got nothing to offer me by way
of education.
Sunny
William Daffer
> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> not?
>
No.
> Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
> however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
> their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question
> it.
>
Questioning is one thing, claiming that your questions imply
anything is quite another.
> There is SO much evidence to at least make the average
[very far below]
> intelligent
> man stand back and say "hold on just a minute...maybe i should
> question what i've been told before" but sentimentality and fear of
> standing out
You misspelled 'common sense'
> is preventing them.
>
> Is the truth (however much it hurts to tell it) better than living
> the biggest lie in history? Of course it is.
>
Stop whining and get on with it. If the Holocaust didn't happen as
historians tell us, hwere are the missing 6 million Jews, 0.5 to 1.5
missing Roma?
> Now is the time to stop thinking "it can't have all been a lie!" and
> to start thinking "maybe I should investigate this further".
>
Well, hello! It would be good if you learned some of the history
you're trying to 'revise.'
> As <label>revisionists</label> we must seek to educate those that
> come to us for the truth. We must present facts and let the
> 'intelligent man' decide for themselves in an openminded manner.
>
You aren't a 'revisionist' That label is reserved for someone who
actually knows something about history.
> Maybe it won't happen today...but tomorrow is ours for the taking.
Just like Czechoslovakia was Hitler's, right?
[followups set]
whd
--
National Runt, demonstrating his idea of informed debate
Hello! I can barely make out the relevant portions of what you are
saying! Can you hear me? Hello! Are you in need of assistance?
William Daffer
[snip]
>> Now is the time to stop thinking "it can't have all been a lie!" and
>> to start thinking "maybe I should investigate this further".
>
> If you're going to be a Holocaust denier, you'll need
> to stop thinking altogether.
Too late.
whd
--
Morghus, in 73fedc95.01081...@posting.google.com, says:
The bogus farm-house chambers were also supposed to be able to
accomodate 2,000 people each. That's where the interrogators dreamed
up their peak capacity of 10,000 in 1941 at the farmhouses.
for the complete post.
Joseph Boegler
>On 11 Apr 2002 13:43:00 -0700, jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim
>Wightman) wrote:
>
>>We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
>>not?
>
>No. What in the sam hill are you up to?
>
>>Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
>>however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
>>their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question it.
>
>Questioning is not wrong, and despite what you see on Usenet, there's
>a significant amount of it going on in churches.
>
>>There is SO much evidence to at least make the average intelligent man
>>stand back and say "hold on just a minute...maybe i should question
>>what i've been told before" but sentimentality and fear of standing
>>out is preventing them.
>
>Good thing you were here for the universal psychoanalysis.
>
>>Is the truth (however much it hurts to tell it) better than living the
>>biggest lie in history? Of course it is.
>
>What is the biggest lie?
>
>I'd say denial of the holocaust ranks right up there.
>
>It's rather difficult to deny a neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist.
Holocaust denial means denial of the "systematic plan," denial
of the number of 6 million and denial of the gas chambers. How does
a Jewish neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist prove the plan, the
6 million figure and the gas chambers? He was obviously in
Auschwitz because only the prisoners at Auschwitz were tattooed.
How does his tattoo and his long life prove the plan, the figure
of 6 million and the gas chambers?
William Daffer
[snip]
>>It's rather difficult to deny a neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist.
>
> Holocaust denial means denial of the "systematic plan," denial
> of the number of 6 million and denial of the gas chambers. How does
> a Jewish neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist prove the plan, the
> 6 million figure and the gas chambers? He was obviously in
> Auschwitz because only the prisoners at Auschwitz were tattooed.
> How does his tattoo and his long life prove the plan, the figure
> of 6 million and the gas chambers?
You really don't think he meant that the mere fact of the tattoo was
proof, do you?
whd
--
Kurt Knoll let's 'er rip:
When it comes to Jews the are very inventive when it comes to siphon
some ones pocked.
Orac
jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) wrote:
> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> not?
I haven't. Why don't you present some?
> Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
> however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
> their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question it.
>
> There is SO much evidence to at least make the average intelligent man
> stand back and say "hold on just a minute...maybe i should question
> what i've been told before" but sentimentality and fear of standing
> out is preventing them.
Really? Can you give me a for instance? Just one piece of evidence that
will make me "question what I've been told before"? Make sure to include
citations or some way that I could independently verify the evidence.
> Is the truth (however much it hurts to tell it) better than living the
> biggest lie in history? Of course it is.
>
> Now is the time to stop thinking "it can't have all been a lie!" and
> to start thinking "maybe I should investigate this further".
>
> As <label>revisionists</label> we must seek to educate those that come
> to us for the truth. We must present facts and let the 'intelligent
> man' decide for themselves in an openminded manner.
>
> Maybe it won't happen today...but tomorrow is ours for the taking.
Not unless you stop B.S.'ing and start actually presenting this
"evidence" you describe.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
Orac
William Daffer <whda...@wabcmail.com> wrote:
> jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) writes:
>
> > We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> > not?
> >
>
> No.
>
> > Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
> > however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
> > their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question
> > it.
> >
>
> Questioning is one thing, claiming that your questions imply
> anything is quite another.
Indeed. These revisionist/deniers seem to think that, just because THEY
question something, that it is in doubt. They seem to think that
questioning is enough and that they don't have to present any
historical, forensic, or testimonial evidence to back up their view of
WWII and Nazi actions against the Jews.
GassenBurnham
>From: William Daffer whda...@wabcmail.com
>Date: 4/13/02 12:52 AM E. Australia Standard Time
>Message-id: <m3elhln...@wabcmail.com>
>
>joseph...@aol.comnojunk (Joseph Boegler) writes:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>It's rather difficult to deny a neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist.
>>
>> Holocaust denial means denial of the "systematic plan," denial
>> of the number of 6 million and denial of the gas chambers. How does
>> a Jewish neighbor with a tattoo on his wrist prove the plan, the
>> 6 million figure and the gas chambers? He was obviously in
>> Auschwitz because only the prisoners at Auschwitz were tattooed.
>> How does his tattoo and his long life prove the plan, the figure
>> of 6 million and the gas chambers?
>
> You really don't think he meant that the mere fact of the tattoo was
> proof, do you?
>
>whd
>
Of course not, Daffy.
Just because you have 'Property of the Hells Angels' tattoed on your ass, does
not mean we believe you are theirs 7 days a week.
"If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job is
to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the most
good" A. S. Lees
William Daffer
> In article <m3g021p...@attbi.com>,
> William Daffer <whda...@wabcmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) writes:
>>
>> > We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
>> > not?
>> >
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > Its exactly the same principle as proving the christians wrong
>> > however: they have believed their version of facts (as told them by
>> > their bible) for so long that they feel its wrong to even question
>> > it.
>> >
>>
>> Questioning is one thing, claiming that your questions imply
>> anything is quite another.
>
> Indeed. These revisionist/deniers seem to think that, just because THEY
> question something, that it is in doubt. They seem to think that
> questioning is enough and that they don't have to present any
> historical, forensic, or testimonial evidence to back up their view of
> WWII and Nazi actions against the Jews.
It's the psychological corollary to "freedom of expression is *not
equal to* freedom from criticism." They can't fathom that their mere
word isn't good enough.
whd
--
"Nobody objects to the truth being written and published, but free
speech does not include the right to peddle vicious lies for profit."
- David Irving
<http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/books/Guttenplan/SMH0609101.html#note>
Kurt Knoll
really matter who is doing some testing of forensic evidence in
Auschwitz the goal of the jews is discredit anyone who is trying or
attempting to do some testing and they will do anything what is in their
power to achieve this goal.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Jim Wightman" <jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com> wrote in message
news:37d3b6c7.02041...@posting.google.com...
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
>
> In the meantime, check this report out:
>
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/leuchter/report1/
>
> If you need to independently research this for yourself then
> unfortunately you'll have to go to auschwitz etc and get your own
> samples and have them tested. You'll also need to be a chemical
> scientist or preferably a forensic scientist.
>
> Frederick Leuchter, btw, is (or rather used to be until the closed
> minded stopped dealing with him) an expert on 'death row' equipment.
> He used to consult for various US state prisons etc to improve the
> standard and success rate of execution equipment. He knows how to kill
> large amounts of people in the most efficient way.
>
> Leuchter is a <label>revisionist</label> only because his scientific
> mind, once presented with the scientific facts makes the scientific
> conclusion. In this case that Auschwitz 'gas chambers' could not have
> possibly been used for executions due to ventilation, they weren't air
> tight etc etc and also independent analysis of samples from the
> concrete walls showed absolutely no cyanide gas has come into contact
> with the walls.
>
> So there you go, its a start, please do learn more then come back and
> tell me what you think. I would hope that the evidence presented will
> make you think twice about what you've been told/heard. The ZOGs of
> the world have been feeding us a pack of lies. Alternatively it might
> just make you wonder: but if thats the case shouldn't it be
> investigated fully?
>
> Jim
>
>
> Orac <Or...@wabcmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Orac-0C712C.2...@news2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Tiger
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what
> had happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for
> however since I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its
> all lies.
No need to read further. Hitler was a great Christian man, right?
Eugene Holman
jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) wrote:
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
>
> In the meantime, check this report out:
>
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/leuchter/report1/
>
> If you need to independently research this for yourself then
> unfortunately you'll have to go to auschwitz etc and get your own
> samples and have them tested. You'll also need to be a chemical
> scientist or preferably a forensic scientist.
You don't need to be a chemical or forensic scientist to recognize that
the Leuchter Report is so methodologically and implementationally
flawed as to be scientifically worthless.
> Frederick Leuchter, btw, is (or rather used to be until the closed
> minded stopped dealing with him) an expert on 'death row' equipment.
No he wasn't. He offered some consulting services to some American
prisons, and ran a scam which involved him playing off offers to
provide expert opinions to condemned prisoners that execution equipment
would result in cruel and unusual punishment, against offers to upgrade
execution equipment at penal institutions. Leuchter had no academic
qualifications (e.g. professional-level studies in chemistry,
electronics, toxology) to work in this capacity, and his professional
career as an execution consultant was spotty.
> He used to consult for various US state prisons etc to improve the
> standard and success rate of execution equipment. He knows how to kill
> large amounts of people in the most efficient way.
No he doesn't. At the Zündel trial Leuchter demonstrated that he didn't
even know that it takes far more cyanide to kill vermin than it does to
kill people. Hardly the level of expertise we would expect of a
self-styled authority.
>
> Leuchter is a <label>revisionist</label> only because his scientific
> mind, once presented with the scientific facts makes the scientific
> conclusion.
Leuchter lacks a scientific mind, something that became obvious in his
design of an experiment to determine whether the Auschwitz gas chambers
could have done what other historical evidence indicates that they did.
1. He did not understand that it takes far more cyanide to kill vermin
than it does to kill people.
2. He did not understand that Zyklon-B had been designed *specifically*
to allow cyanide to be used in normal rooms and structures lacking any
engineering saftey features *if* proper precautions have been taken and
properly trained personnel are implementing the gassing.
3. He did not understand that he should have tested for cyanide ions
rather than for traces of a specific cyanide compound, which is not
always formed upon exposure to cyanide.
4. He did not understand that the two environments compared, a
fumigation chamber and the ruins of a gas chamber, had quite different
chemical histories during their functional lives as well as afterwards.
Specifically, the conditions obtaining within a chamber stuffed with
clothing and one stuffed with human beings are going to differ
considerably with respect to the possibility of cyanates being formed.
The CO2 in the exhaled breath of human victims, for example, will raise
the pH of the water vapor in the room and have an inhibiting effect on
cyanate formation. The fact that gas chambers have to be hosed down
after each gassing of humans to remove expelled bodily fluids, and
white-washed occasionally to make them look harmlessly pristine, also
has an effect on the accumulation of cyanates. Finally, the fact that
the gas chambers were demolished, with their ruins exposed to the
elements since 1944, while the fumigation chambers have remained intact
and been protected from the elements, is also a factor that has to be
taken into account when comparing cyanate levels in the two
environments.
5. Leuchter used a single sample taken from a blue-stained area in a
fumigation chamber as a control. What he should have done is used some
place that the history of the camp shows was never exposed to cyanide
as his control, and compared samples taken from both the fumigation
chambers and the gas chambers with one another as well as with the
control. Linked with his ignorance of the amounts of cyanide needed to
kill vermin as opposed to people, the high reading obtained for his
control appeared to indicate something that was untrue. The readings
taken from a single blue-stained wall in a fumgation chamber gave a far
(135 times) higher reading tha the maximum reading from a gas chamber
sample, this is true, but the conclusion that this indicates that the
gas chambers could not have been exposed to concentrations of cyanide
sufficient to kill people is untrue, since Leuchter was working on the
unfounded and stupid assumption that it takes far more cyanide to kill
large people than it does to kill tiny lice.
6. Leuchter tested for a single cyanate, Prussian Blue, rather than for
cyanates in general. Prussian Blue is not always formed when structural
materials are exposed to cyanide. Parameters such as water vapor
content and pH of the ambient air also enter the picture. A test for
Prussian Blue is not the same as a test for cyanide exposure.
7. Fourteen of Leuchter's thirty samples taken from gas chamber ruins
tested positive for Prussian Blue. Leuchter attributed this to a
fumigation during the 1942 typhus epidemic at Auschwitz. The buildings
in question were not, however, built until 1943.
The Krakow Institute for Forensic Research conducted a study in 1994
which both debunks and complements Leuchter's research. It shows that
the evidence obtainable by forensic research is not in conflict with
other evidence which indicates that certain structures at
Auschwitz-Stammlager and Auschwitz-Birkenau were once the venus of
exterminational gassings using cyanide gas. See Richard Green's article
"The Chemistry of Auschwitz",
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry , and the
references mentioned there for further discussion.
> In this case that Auschwitz 'gas chambers' could not have
> possibly been used for executions due to ventilation, they weren't air
> tight etc etc and also independent analysis of samples from the
> concrete walls showed absolutely no cyanide gas has come into contact
> with the walls.
Here you are just mistaken.
- Some of the Kremas at Auschwitz-Birkenau had robust double-function
ventilation systems. cf. e.g.
http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/evidence/vanx.asp . Other were
cross-ventilated.
- They didn't have to be perfectly air tight, just as rooms fumigated
using Zyklon-B in civilian life did not have to be perfectly air tight
*provided* that the proper precautions were taken.
- Leuchter's analysis, flaws and all, determined that 14 out of 30
samples tsted positive for one, Prussian Blue, of the several compounds
that are or can be formed when cyanide is exposed to structural
materials.
--
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Orac
jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) wrote:
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
>
> In the meantime, check this report out:
>
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/leuchter/report1/
[Snip]
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
You're presenting the Leuchter Report as evidence?
That's hilarious, and you probably don't even realize it. You really
must be new to Holocaust denial, if you're presenting the Leuchter
Report as evidence. Even many hard-core Holocaust deniers are forced to
admit that the report is flawed. It's hard to know where to begin to
list the flaws, everywhere from methodology to conclusions. They've been
discussed here on a.r. before ad nauseum. However, here's a brief primer:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/leuchter-vindicated-res
ponse.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/l/leuchter.fred/leuchter.faq1
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/l/leuchter.fred/leuchter.faq2
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/leuchter-01.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/leuchter-03.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/qualifications-as-witne
ss.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/leuchter-04.html
David Gehrig
> Jim Wightman wrote:
>
>> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
>> not?
>
> Really? Name some. Be specific.
Gee, Mr "Wightman" seems to have run from this question.
--
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Orac
"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
> Leuchter was discredited because he was in the Jews way. It does not
> really matter who is doing some testing of forensic evidence in
> Auschwitz the goal of the jews is discredit anyone who is trying or
> attempting to do some testing and they will do anything what is in their
> power to achieve this goal.
Leuchter was discredited because he had inadequate background and
qualifications to do the analysis he did, leading him to make a lot of
really bad mistakes that led to unsupportable conclusions.
In short, Leuchter discredited himself.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
?ð| inconvenience me with questions?"
David Gehrig
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
Oh, sure, that's incredibly credible.
> In the meantime, check this report out:
>
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/leuchter/report1/
Uh-oh -- Can Steady Freddy Leuchter be far behind?
> If you need to independently research this for yourself then
> unfortunately you'll have to go to auschwitz etc and get your own
> samples and have them tested. You'll also need to be a chemical
> scientist or preferably a forensic scientist.
>
> Frederick Leuchter, btw, is (or rather used to be until the closed
> minded stopped dealing with him) an expert on 'death row' equipment.
Steady Freddy's report was so full of holes that even so-called
"revisionists" have backed away from it in the last few years.
What's more, David Irving knew it was full of holes even before
he published it. Why then did he publish it? To paraphrase
P. T. Barnum, nobody ever went broke underestimating the
intelligence of Holocaust deniers.
> He used to consult for various US state prisons etc to improve the
> standard and success rate of execution equipment. He knows how to kill
> large amounts of people in the most efficient way.
Yet his "report" is so full of scientific stupidities that it takes pages
upon pages to point out.
> Leuchter is a <label>revisionist</label> only because his scientific
> mind, once presented with the scientific facts makes the scientific
> conclusion.
As was demonstrated during the Zundel trial, Leuchter's "science"
was a joke. Here is an example.
Leuchter claimed that the gas chambers at Auschwitz needed to
have shielded wiring because otherwise the HCN would ignite.
Well, I'll ask you -- as a way to determine whether or not you have
the basic knowledge necessary to really sort through what Leuchter
had to say and determine whether or not he's a crank -- what's
the fundamental problem with Leuchter's assumption?
> In this case that Auschwitz 'gas chambers' could not have
> possibly been used for executions due to ventilation, they weren't air
> tight etc etc and also independent analysis of samples from the
> concrete walls showed absolutely no cyanide gas has come into contact
> with the walls.
Good golly, there's actually someone who's going to try to
play Leuchter straight.
Here's another question. "I don't think the Leuchter results
have any meaning." Who said that, and why?
> So there you go, its a start, please do learn more then come back and
> tell me what you think. I would hope that the evidence presented will
> make you think twice about what you've been told/heard. The ZOGs of
> the world have been feeding us a pack of lies.
If you folks in alt.religion.christianity aren't familiar with "ZOG,"
it's a standard white-power acronym for "Zionist Occupation Government,"
by which they mean the US, which they consider to be under the
control of THE JEW.
Scratch a "Holocaust revisionist," find an antisemite.
> Alternatively it might
> just make you wonder: but if thats the case shouldn't it be
> investigated fully?
It has been investigated quite thoroughly, and the results of
that investigation were packaged quite neatly by Prof. Robert
Jan van Pelt in the expert report he submitted as part of the
David Irving trial. In it, among other things, he chops the
Leuchter report into itty bitty bits.
But see for yourself --
http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/evidence/van.asp
He's got a whole chapter on Steady Freddy and his
relationship
http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/evidence/vanix.asp
One by one, Leuchter's arguments fall down and go boom,
and with each one the amazement grows that anyone
ever took him seriously. Well, only amazement until you
realize _who_ it is that took him seriously....
--
@%<
Jeffrey G. Brown
> Leuchter was discredited because he was in the Jews way.
False. Leuchter discredited himself by pretending to be an expert in matters of
which he was entirely ignorant.
Kurt Knoll has discredited himself in much the same manner.
JGB
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Jeffrey G. Brown jeffrey...@yahoo.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997
Jeffrey G. Brown
jim.wi...@neverlandsystems.com (Jim Wightman) wrote:
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
Name these "jews".
You can't, can you?
> [...deletia...]
> Frederick Leuchter, btw, is (or rather used to be until the closed
> minded stopped dealing with him) an expert on 'death row' equipment.
> He used to consult for various US state prisons
False. Leuchter's tales of having worked for various US state prisons were shown
to be lies.
> [...deletia...]
> Leuchter is a <label>revisionist</label> only because his scientific
> mind, once presented with the scientific facts makes the scientific
> conclusion. In this case that Auschwitz 'gas chambers' could not have
> possibly been used for executions due to ventilation, they weren't air
> tight etc etc and also independent analysis of samples from the
> concrete walls showed absolutely no cyanide gas has come into contact
> with the walls.
False. Leuchter's own analyses showed that the walls of one of the Kremas *had*
been exposed to cyanide.
Leuchter tried to explain this away by claiming that the Krema had been
fumigated -- and gave a date for the fumigation that was a year before the Krema
had been built!
If you would take the time to learn the facts, you wouldn't be so successful in
making a very public ass of yourself...
William Daffer
> Hi Orac,
>
> Sure I'll present some of the evidence that made me question what had
> happened...some of it you'll have to come to the UK for however since
> I've talked to a number of jews who admit that its all lies.
>
> In the meantime, check this report out:
>
> http://www.zundelsite.org/english/leuchter/report1/
>
> If you need to independently research this for yourself then
> unfortunately you'll have to go to auschwitz etc and get your own
> samples and have them tested. You'll also need to be a chemical
> scientist or preferably a forensic scientist.
>
> Frederick Leuchter, btw, is (or rather used to be until the closed
> minded stopped dealing with him) an expert on 'death row' equipment.
> He used to consult for various US state prisons etc to improve the
> standard and success rate of execution equipment. He knows how to kill
> large amounts of people in the most efficient way.
>
> Leuchter is a <label>revisionist</label> only because his scientific
> mind, once presented with the scientific facts makes the scientific
> conclusion. In this case that Auschwitz 'gas chambers' could not have
> possibly been used for executions due to ventilation, they weren't air
> tight etc etc and also independent analysis of samples from the
> concrete walls showed absolutely no cyanide gas has come into contact
> with the walls.
>
> So there you go, its a start, please do learn more then come back and
> tell me what you think. I would hope that the evidence presented will
> make you think twice about what you've been told/heard. The ZOGs of
> the world have been feeding us a pack of lies. Alternatively it might
> just make you wonder: but if thats the case shouldn't it be
> investigated fully?
>
> Jim
>
Another poor fool convinced by the _Leuchter Report_.
Does someone grow these people in a tank? Because they have to be
some kind of vegetative matter.
whd
--
Werner Knoll, describing his purpose in alt.revisionism
Pissing in the swimming pool when you are in the water will get you
nowhere. Do it from from a 10 meter springboard and everybody will
notice you!
Edie
> No he wasn't. He offered some consulting services to some American
> prisons, and ran a scam which involved him playing off offers to
> provide expert opinions to condemned prisoners that execution equipment
> would result in cruel and unusual punishment, against offers to upgrade
> execution equipment at penal institutions. Leuchter had no academic
> qualifications (e.g. professional-level studies in chemistry,
> electronics, toxology) to work in this capacity, and his professional
> career as an execution consultant was spotty.
>
> > He used to consult for various US state prisons etc to improve the
> > standard and success rate of execution equipment. He knows how to kill
> > large amounts of people in the most efficient way.
>
> No he doesn't. At the Zündel trial Leuchter demonstrated that he didn't
> even know that it takes far more cyanide to kill vermin than it does to
> kill people. Hardly the level of expertise we would expect of a
> self-styled authority.
what a fracas
Wait, is fracas is a singular word or a plural one.
I remember somewhere in the distant past hearing the phrase "wee
fraca" suggesting that maybe one is a fraca and more than one are
fracas.
Deaths Head
@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
Hmmmm well we all have to start somewhere: I too started with looking at
Leuchters work and although some of is has been debunked some of the rest
of it is still valid...and leads to other evidence and information.
I don't think its fair to jump all over the original poster just because
you don't agree with him. Yes, it appears he has just started on the path
of discovery with regards to the 'holocaust' but through discovery will
come knowledge.
At the end of the day I believe that there is a large degree of doubt
with regards to the 'holocaust'. I'd like to see a full unbiased enquiry
made to find out the truth. Until that time myself and a hell of a lot of
other people will still have doubts.
--
Deaths Head
<When you see me, you'll know me>
Andrew
> Leuchter was discredited because he was in the Jews way. It does not
> really matter who is doing some testing of forensic evidence in
> Auschwitz the goal of the jews is discredit anyone who is trying or
> attempting to do some testing and they will do anything what is in their
> power to achieve this goal.
>
> Kurt Knoll.
You have been asked on several occasions, Mr. Knoll, to provide any
evidence whatsoever that anyone other than Fred Leuchter himself was
responsible for his downfall.
You have not done so. Until you provide evidence for this absurd
allegation, it will be given exactly the credibility it deserves, in
other words, none.
--Drew
Patrick Keenan
news:Xns91F0733977F7...@212.159.13.1...
> David Gehrig <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:K4%t8.4984$3z3.480677
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>
> > David Gehrig wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Wightman wrote:
> >>
> >>> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> >>> not?
> >>
> >> Really? Name some. Be specific.
> >
> > Gee, Mr "Wightman" seems to have run from this question.
> >
>
> Hmmmm well we all have to start somewhere: I too started with looking at
> Leuchters work and although some of is has been debunked some of the rest
> of it is still valid...and leads to other evidence and information.
Just what do you think is 'still valid' in this report? His name?
Given that the assumptions, methodology, and results have been shown to be
almost totally worthless, the product of someone who admittedly didn't know
necessary details of the subject while representing himself as an expert in
it, what is left?
Please, do detail what is 'stil lvalid' in the Leuchter 'report'.
>
> I don't think its fair to jump all over the original poster just because
> you don't agree with him. Yes, it appears he has just started on the path
> of discovery with regards to the 'holocaust' but through discovery will
> come knowledge.
>
> At the end of the day I believe that there is a large degree of doubt
> with regards to the 'holocaust'. I'd like to see a full unbiased enquiry
> made to find out the truth. Until that time myself and a hell of a lot of
> other people will still have doubts.
I doubt it's really a 'hell of a lot of other people', though yes, the
historical process goes on. It doesn't change the basic facts of what
happened.
As they say, dont be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
-pk
Deaths Head
news:U2hu8.517$5J3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com:
> "Deaths Head" <antich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns91F0733977F7...@212.159.13.1...
>> David Gehrig <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:K4%t8.4984$3z3.480677 @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>>
>> > David Gehrig wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jim Wightman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have
>> >>> we not?
>> >>
>> >> Really? Name some. Be specific.
>> >
>> > Gee, Mr "Wightman" seems to have run from this question.
>> >
>>
>> Hmmmm well we all have to start somewhere: I too started with looking
>> at Leuchters work and although some of is has been debunked some of
>> the rest of it is still valid...and leads to other evidence and
>> information.
>
> Just what do you think is 'still valid' in this report? His name?
>
> Given that the assumptions, methodology, and results have been shown
> to be almost totally worthless, the product of someone who admittedly
> didn't know necessary details of the subject while representing
> himself as an expert in it, what is left?
>
> Please, do detail what is 'stil lvalid' in the Leuchter 'report'.
> I doubt it's really a 'hell of a lot of other people', though yes, the
> historical process goes on. It doesn't change the basic facts of
> what happened.
>
Ok you say basic facts of what happened: what exactly is YOUR evidence
that it did?
Orac
Deaths Head <antich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> David Gehrig <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:K4%t8.4984$3z3.480677
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>
> > David Gehrig wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Wightman wrote:
> >>> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
> >>> not?
> >>
> >> Really? Name some. Be specific.
> >
> > Gee, Mr "Wightman" seems to have run from this question.
> >
>
> Hmmmm well we all have to start somewhere: I too started with looking at
> Leuchters work and although some of is has been debunked some of the rest
> of it is still valid...and leads to other evidence and information.
Please, then, tell us which SPECIFIC parts of the Leuchter Report you
consider to be valid and why. Don't forget to comment on the science and
methodology.
> I don't think its fair to jump all over the original poster just because
> you don't agree with him. Yes, it appears he has just started on the path
> of discovery with regards to the 'holocaust' but through discovery will
> come knowledge.
Not if he bases his "questioning" on the Leuchter Report, it won't.
> At the end of the day I believe that there is a large degree of doubt
> with regards to the 'holocaust'.
Really? And upon what specific evidence do you base your "large degree
of doubt"? Please tell us what parts of the evidence supporting the
historicity of the Holocaust should be doubted and why. Please be
specific. For instance, please spare us the common denier handwaving
about the "unreliability" of survivor testimony--unless you can cite
examples of specific survivor testimony that is false or unreliable and
then build a convincing argument about why that unreliability casts
significant doubt upon the historicity of the Holocaust or some major
aspect of it when compared to the rest of the evidence and testimony
that is not "unreliable." Please also spare us the usual denier
insinuations about the Allies forging documents--unless you can cite
specific instances of such forgery.
>I'd like to see a full unbiased enquiry
> made to find out the truth.
Such inquiries have been made continuously by historians during the last
57 years since WWII ended. Are you claiming that all the historians who
study Holocaust history are biased?
>Until that time myself and a hell of a lot of
> other people will still have doubts.
Without compelling evidence to back them up, your "doubts" are worthless.
You seem to think that just because you "doubt" something you are exempt
from having to produce evidence to support your position. It's a common
denier fallacy to express vague "doubts" about the Holocaust and then
think they don't have to do anything more to be taken seriously.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
Orac
"Patrick Keenan" <pkee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Deaths Head" <antich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns91F0733977F7...@212.159.13.1...
> > At the end of the day I believe that there is a large degree of doubt
> > with regards to the 'holocaust'. I'd like to see a full unbiased enquiry
> > made to find out the truth. Until that time myself and a hell of a lot of
> > other people will still have doubts.
>
> I doubt it's really a 'hell of a lot of other people', though yes, the
> historical process goes on. It doesn't change the basic facts of what
> happened.
>
> As they say, dont be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
Indeed, there is a difference between being "open-minded" and gullible.
Deniers are frequently incredibly gullible when it comes to evidence
that jibes with their prejudices and beliefs about the Holocaust and
incredibly close-minded when any evidence is presented that challenges
those beliefs. Richard Phillips is perhaps the best example of this
phenomenon in the newsgroup.
Jeffrey G. Brown
<de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote:
> "Patrick Keenan" <pkee...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:U2hu8.517$5J3.1...@news20.bellglobal.com:
> [...deletia...]
> > Please, do detail what is 'stil lvalid' in the Leuchter 'report'.
> > I doubt it's really a 'hell of a lot of other people', though yes, the
> > historical process goes on. It doesn't change the basic facts of
> > what happened.
> >
>
> Ok you say basic facts of what happened: what exactly is YOUR evidence
> that it did?
The existence of execution gas chambers is well-established. Eugene Holman
summarized the evidence quite neatly not long ago:
from
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=holman-ya02408000R2610001228240001%40news.h
elsinki.fi>
--- begin excerpt ---
Let's divide that question up into two questions:
1. Were Jews killed in very large numbers through planned and deliberate
mass killings?
2. Did some of these planned and deliberate mass killings involve gassing.
Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 1:
a. The systematic program of arresting and shooting the Jews of Estonia in
late 1941, including the extraordinary efforts to find the three children
of Juri Pilner and execute them in March, 1942. Documented in arrest
records and case files in the Estonian National Archives as well as in the
selection of photocopied police archive documents pertaining to the fate
of Estonian Jews during the period of Nazi occupation published by Eugenia
Gurin-Loof _Eesti Juutide katasroof 1941_, Tallinn 1994.
b. The methodical program of combing the towns and smaller cities of Latvia
and Lithuania for, and summary mass shootings of, Jews by Einsatzgruppe A,
documented in the Jager Report, during the latter half of 1941.
c. The well-planned shootings of Jews in larger cities such as Riga
(25,000), Daugavpils (13,000), Rezekne (1,700), Liepaja (5,000), Ventspils
(1,000), Shiauliai (3,000), Kaunas (3,600), Kiev (33,000), Serniki (600),
Kamanets-Podolski (23,600), Dnepropetrovsk (1,000+), Karkhov (10,000 !=
20,000), Odessa (23,000), Pinsk (16,200), and Minsk (19,000 + 9,000),
Brest-Litovsk (6,000 - 10,000), Zhitomir (18,000), Poniatowa (14,000),
Mogivel (3,700), Kostopol (5,000), Bialystok (3,000), Trawniki (12,000),
Janow Podlaski (2,500), among others, often involving a process lasting
several weeks during which Jews were declared a criminal element,
identified, sought out and arrested, dispossessed of all property and
assets, ghettoized, exploited locally for slave labor, and ultimately
marched to a specially chosen killing site which had been supplied with
sufficiant ammunition, ready dug graves, and the requisite number of
sharpshooters, and killed, with the immovable property and assets seized
from them catalogued and then sold or auctioned off, and te movable
property shipped to Germany.
Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 2:
a. The testimony of Nazis at the highest level, such as Adolf Eichmann.
b. The testimony of camp administrators such as Rudolf Hoess, specifically
his memoirs and his testimony as a witness at the Nuremberg trials.
c. The independent and mutually corroborating testimony of camp personnel
such as Kurt Bolender, Erich Fuchs, Hans Munch, and John Demyanyuk.
d. The testimony of escapees from extermination camps, such as Rudolf Vrba
and Toivi Blatt
[http://judaism.about.com/religion/judaism/library/holocaust/stories/bl_toiv
iblatta.htm]
e. The evidence that a variety of Zyklon-B lacking the mandatory warning
scent and irritant was delivered to the SSfor use at Auschwitz.
f. The evidence in the form of two standing and fully operational gas
chambers at Majdanek, one with clear evidence of thousands of desperate
fingernail scratchings on the wall.
g. The evidence if a fully functional gas chamber at Mauthausen.
h. The evidence of construction plans for gas chambers equipped with false
shower heads at Ausschwitz.
i. The evidence of forensic examinations conducted in 1945 and 1994 showing
clear traces of cyanide compounds on the walls and in the ventilation ducts
of structures other evidence indicates were once used as gas chambers.
j. The evidence of Freudian slips in censored military documents pertaining
to "special treatment" that this was a euphemisim for gassing.
k. The circumstantial evidence of the difficulty of explaining the origin
of the large amount of human remains found in places like Sobibor and
Treblinka as resulting fromany alternative source but the gassings former
personnel, escapees, and historians claim took place there.
l. The circumstantial evidence that personnel involved in developing mass
gassing techniques within the framework of the T-4 euthanasia program such
as Franz Stangle and Christian Wirth later wound up as commandants of
extermiantion centers where mass gassing methods representing evolutionary
more sophisticated variants of those developed at the T-4 centers were
used.
m. The evidence seen in private correspondence between Hoess and Wirth about
the relative advantages and disadvantages of gassing by HCN as opposed to
CO.
--- end excerpt ---
JGB
Patrick Keenan
news:Xns91F0AA85E5F8...@212.159.13.1...
After you; what is it you claim is 'still valid' in the Leuchter report?
-pk
>
> --
> Deaths Head
> <When you see me, you'll know me>
Already do, I think. An anonymous denier... without even the backbone of
the Knolls.
Deaths Head
>
> 1. Were Jews killed in very large numbers through planned and
> deliberate mass killings?
>
> 2. Did some of these planned and deliberate mass killings involve
> gassing.
>
> Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 1:
>
> a. The systematic program of arresting and shooting the Jews of
> Estonia in late 1941, including the extraordinary efforts to find the
> three children of Juri Pilner and execute them in March, 1942.
> Documented in arrest records and case files in the Estonian National
> Archives as well as in the selection of photocopied police archive
> documents pertaining to the fate of Estonian Jews during the period of
> Nazi occupation published by Eugenia Gurin-Loof _Eesti Juutide
> katasroof 1941_, Tallinn 1994.
What if these people were criminals? Didn't the German government have
every right to hunt them down?
>
> b. The methodical program of combing the towns and smaller cities of
> Latvia and Lithuania for, and summary mass shootings of, Jews by
> Einsatzgruppe A, documented in the Jager Report, during the latter
> half of 1941.
My grandfather was an Einsatzkommando and later in the SS. He absolutely
refutes this allegation.
>
> c. The well-planned shootings of Jews in larger cities such as Riga
> (25,000), Daugavpils (13,000), Rezekne (1,700), Liepaja (5,000),
> Ventspils (1,000), Shiauliai (3,000), Kaunas (3,600), Kiev (33,000),
> Serniki (600), Kamanets-Podolski (23,600), Dnepropetrovsk (1,000+),
> Karkhov (10,000 != 20,000), Odessa (23,000), Pinsk (16,200), and Minsk
> (19,000 + 9,000), Brest-Litovsk (6,000 - 10,000), Zhitomir (18,000),
> Poniatowa (14,000), Mogivel (3,700), Kostopol (5,000), Bialystok
> (3,000), Trawniki (12,000), Janow Podlaski (2,500), among others,
> often involving a process lasting several weeks during which Jews were
> declared a criminal element, identified, sought out and arrested,
> dispossessed of all property and assets, ghettoized, exploited locally
> for slave labor, and ultimately marched to a specially chosen killing
> site which had been supplied with sufficiant ammunition, ready dug
> graves, and the requisite number of sharpshooters, and killed, with
> the immovable property and assets seized from them catalogued and then
> sold or auctioned off, and te movable property shipped to Germany.
Again, the jews of the time *were* known to be criminals - they were
being investigated and arrested as necessary.
> Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 2:
>
> a. The testimony of Nazis at the highest level, such as Adolf
> Eichmann.
Under duress.
> b. The testimony of camp administrators such as Rudolf Hoess,
> specifically his memoirs and his testimony as a witness at the
> Nuremberg trials.
Under duress.
> c. The independent and mutually corroborating testimony of camp
> personnel such as Kurt Bolender, Erich Fuchs, Hans Munch, and John
> Demyanyuk.
Under duress.
> d. The testimony of escapees from extermination camps, such as Rudolf
> Vrba and Toivi Blatt
> [http://judaism.about.com/religion/judaism/library/holocaust/stories/bl
> _toiv iblatta.htm]
Don't even get me started about the moaning jews. Their evidence is no
evidence at all: they'll do or say anything to make people feel sorry for
them.
> e. The evidence that a variety of Zyklon-B lacking the mandatory
> warning scent and irritant was delivered to the SSfor use at
> Auschwitz.
Delousing.
> f. The evidence in the form of two standing and fully operational gas
> chambers at Majdanek, one with clear evidence of thousands of
> desperate fingernail scratchings on the wall.
Proven to be fingernail scratches? How?
> g. The evidence if a fully functional gas chamber at Mauthausen.
What qualifies it as a 'gas chamber'? Is it like a delousing chamber? The
obvious answer is often the right one.
> h. The evidence of construction plans for gas chambers equipped with
> false shower heads at Ausschwitz.
False shower heads? Have you got one to show me?
> i. The evidence of forensic examinations conducted in 1945 and 1994
> showing clear traces of cyanide compounds on the walls and in the
> ventilation ducts of structures other evidence indicates were once
> used as gas chambers.
Delousing chambers.
> j. The evidence of Freudian slips in censored military documents
> pertaining to "special treatment" that this was a euphemisim for
> gassing.
How could I refute that one? That isn't evidence.
> k. The circumstantial evidence of the difficulty of explaining the
> origin of the large amount of human remains found in places like
> Sobibor and Treblinka as resulting fromany alternative source but the
> gassings former personnel, escapees, and historians claim took place
> there.
Circumstantial!! I need say no more!
> l. The circumstantial evidence that personnel involved in developing
> mass gassing techniques within the framework of the T-4 euthanasia
> program such as Franz Stangle and Christian Wirth later wound up as
> commandants of extermiantion centers where mass gassing methods
> representing evolutionary more sophisticated variants of those
> developed at the T-4 centers were used.
Circumstantial!! I need say no more!
> m. The evidence seen in private correspondence between Hoess and Wirth
> about the relative advantages and disadvantages of gassing by HCN as
> opposed to CO.
Really? Honest? Thats convenient - did they admit the documents were
between them, and not under duress?
If people intercepted half of the private mail I send then I'd be sent
down 'circumstantially' for all sorts of things. Sorry, but that evidence
just isn't valid.
> --- end excerpt ---
>
> JGB
>
Anything else?
Tell me...what makes *YOU* believe the lie?
Jeffrey G. Brown
<de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote:
[quoting Eugene Holman:]
> > Let's divide that question up into two questions:
> >
> > 1. Were Jews killed in very large numbers through planned and
> > deliberate mass killings?
> >
> > 2. Did some of these planned and deliberate mass killings involve
> > gassing.
> >
> > Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 1:
> >
> > a. The systematic program of arresting and shooting the Jews of
> > Estonia in late 1941, including the extraordinary efforts to find the
> > three children of Juri Pilner and execute them in March, 1942.
> > Documented in arrest records and case files in the Estonian National
> > Archives as well as in the selection of photocopied police archive
> > documents pertaining to the fate of Estonian Jews during the period of
> > Nazi occupation published by Eugenia Gurin-Loof _Eesti Juutide
> > katasroof 1941_, Tallinn 1994.
>
> What if these people were criminals? Didn't the German government have
> every right to hunt them down?
Tell us the crimes for which the children of Juri Pilner were executed. Be
certain that you provide transcripts of the trials of all three children.
> > b. The methodical program of combing the towns and smaller cities of
> > Latvia and Lithuania for, and summary mass shootings of, Jews by
> > Einsatzgruppe A, documented in the Jager Report, during the latter
> > half of 1941.
>
> My grandfather was an Einsatzkommando and later in the SS. He absolutely
> refutes this allegation.
Irrelevant. We have original documentation from the Nazis.
> > c. The well-planned shootings of Jews in larger cities such as Riga
> > (25,000), Daugavpils (13,000), Rezekne (1,700), Liepaja (5,000),
> > Ventspils (1,000), Shiauliai (3,000), Kaunas (3,600), Kiev (33,000),
> > Serniki (600), Kamanets-Podolski (23,600), Dnepropetrovsk (1,000+),
> > Karkhov (10,000 != 20,000), Odessa (23,000), Pinsk (16,200), and Minsk
> > (19,000 + 9,000), Brest-Litovsk (6,000 - 10,000), Zhitomir (18,000),
> > Poniatowa (14,000), Mogivel (3,700), Kostopol (5,000), Bialystok
> > (3,000), Trawniki (12,000), Janow Podlaski (2,500), among others,
> > often involving a process lasting several weeks during which Jews were
> > declared a criminal element, identified, sought out and arrested,
> > dispossessed of all property and assets, ghettoized, exploited locally
> > for slave labor, and ultimately marched to a specially chosen killing
> > site which had been supplied with sufficiant ammunition, ready dug
> > graves, and the requisite number of sharpshooters, and killed, with
> > the immovable property and assets seized from them catalogued and then
> > sold or auctioned off, and te movable property shipped to Germany.
>
> Again, the jews of the time *were* known to be criminals - they were
> being investigated and arrested as necessary.
You can, of course, produce the files of the police investigations on every one
of thos tens of thousands of known criminals? Please do so.
Or are you really telling us that the mere fact that one is a Jew is what makes
one a criminal?
> > Evidence for an affirmative answer to question 2:
> >
> > a. The testimony of Nazis at the highest level, such as Adolf
> > Eichmann.
>
> Under duress.
Cite evidence of this "duress".
> > b. The testimony of camp administrators such as Rudolf Hoess,
> > specifically his memoirs and his testimony as a witness at the
> > Nuremberg trials.
>
> Under duress.
Cite evidence of this "duress".
> > c. The independent and mutually corroborating testimony of camp
> > personnel such as Kurt Bolender, Erich Fuchs, Hans Munch, and John
> > Demyanyuk.
>
> Under duress.
Cite evidence of this "duress".
> > d. The testimony of escapees from extermination camps, such as Rudolf
> > Vrba and Toivi Blatt
> > [http://judaism.about.com/religion/judaism/library/holocaust/stories/bl
> > _toiv iblatta.htm]
>
> Don't even get me started about the moaning jews. Their evidence is no
> evidence at all: they'll do or say anything to make people feel sorry for
> them.
Translation: You cannot refute the testimony.
> > e. The evidence that a variety of Zyklon-B lacking the mandatory
> > warning scent and irritant was delivered to the SSfor use at
> > Auschwitz.
>
> Delousing.
Zyklon-B was required, by German Federal law, to contain a warning scent and
irritant. Why did the SS order the manufacturer to make and ship batches of
Zyklon-B *without* the scent?
> > f. The evidence in the form of two standing and fully operational gas
> > chambers at Majdanek, one with clear evidence of thousands of
> > desperate fingernail scratchings on the wall.
>
> Proven to be fingernail scratches? How?
Provide an alterntaive explanation.
> > g. The evidence if a fully functional gas chamber at Mauthausen.
>
> What qualifies it as a 'gas chamber'?
The fact that there is documentary and testimonial evidence that it was used as
such.
> [...deletia...]
> > h. The evidence of construction plans for gas chambers equipped with
> > false shower heads at Ausschwitz.
>
> False shower heads? Have you got one to show me?
We have the plans. You *have* seen the plans, have you not?
> > i. The evidence of forensic examinations conducted in 1945 and 1994
> > showing clear traces of cyanide compounds on the walls and in the
> > ventilation ducts of structures other evidence indicates were once
> > used as gas chambers.
>
> Delousing chambers.
Provide independently verifiable evidence that the Kremas were, in fact, used as
delousing chambers.
> > j. The evidence of Freudian slips in censored military documents
> > pertaining to "special treatment" that this was a euphemisim for
> > gassing.
>
> How could I refute that one? That isn't evidence.
Why? Do you even know what documents are referred to?
> > k. The circumstantial evidence of the difficulty of explaining the
> > origin of the large amount of human remains found in places like
> > Sobibor and Treblinka as resulting fromany alternative source but the
> > gassings former personnel, escapees, and historians claim took place
> > there.
>
> Circumstantial!! I need say no more!
Provide an alternative explanation for the origin of the large amounts of human
remains found in Sobibor and Treblinka. be certain that your ewxplanation is
consistent with *all* known historical facts.
> > l. The circumstantial evidence that personnel involved in developing
> > mass gassing techniques within the framework of the T-4 euthanasia
> > program such as Franz Stangle and Christian Wirth later wound up as
> > commandants of extermiantion centers where mass gassing methods
> > representing evolutionary more sophisticated variants of those
> > developed at the T-4 centers were used.
>
>
> Circumstantial!! I need say no more!
That's because you can't say anything about the evidence. You *did* know about
the T-4 program, didn't you? The program in which German citizens were executed
by the Nazi regime, and false explanations of their deaths provided to their
relatives?
> > m. The evidence seen in private correspondence between Hoess and Wirth
> > about the relative advantages and disadvantages of gassing by HCN as
> > opposed to CO.
>
> Really? Honest? Thats convenient - did they admit the documents were
> between them, and not under duress?
The documents were written during the war. Cite evidence that Hoess and Wirth
were "under duress" when the document were written.
> If people intercepted half of the private mail I send then I'd be sent
> down 'circumstantially' for all sorts of things. Sorry, but that evidence
> just isn't valid.
Wrong. Documentary evidence is considered valid in virtually all Western
jurisprudence. That mumblings of one anonymous coward does not change that fact.
> [...deletia...]
> Tell me...what makes *YOU* believe the lie?
You haven't provided evidence of any "lie" in any of the evidence provided.
Do so -- now.
JGB
Orac
Deaths Head <de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote:
> > b. The methodical program of combing the towns and smaller cities of
> > Latvia and Lithuania for, and summary mass shootings of, Jews by
> > Einsatzgruppe A, documented in the Jager Report, during the latter
> > half of 1941.
>
> My grandfather was an Einsatzkommando and later in the SS. He absolutely
> refutes this allegation.
According to "revisionist" scholars, eyewitness testimonial evidence is
unreliable and therefore not to be considered. Consequently, using the
usual standards of "revisionist" scholarship towards the Holocaust, your
grandfather's recollections and denials are not considered reliable
evidence. After all, if someone around here had pointed out that their
grandfather had witnessed the mass shootings by the Einsatzgruppen in
Latvia and Lithuania, you would surely have dismissed such accounts.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.
Just applying your own fellow revisionists' standards to your argument.
Deaths Head
At the end of the day I need prove nothing. I believe what I believe and I
know why I believe it. I can produce reams of evidence to debunk the
holohoax but why should I? I'm not here to convince plebs like yourself.
And besides, you don't listen to it.
To rely on jewbags statements of the holohoax is ridiculous: they wanted to
get something out of the war for themselves so they moaned.
If a foreign government is threatening you with death or lie to protect the
truth you'll do it!
You question the intelligence of those that question the holocaust. I
refute that and throw it back: I question the intellegence of those that
_don't_ question.
If you believe everything you read and hear without damned good evidence
then you show yourself up to be the ignoramus you are.
David Gehrig
he's a big, bad, sca-a-a-ary man wrote:
> David Gehrig <zem...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:K4%t8.4984$3z3.480677
> @newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>
>> David Gehrig wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Wightman wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've all seen enough evidence to contradict the 'holocaust' have we
>>>> not?
>>>
>>> Really? Name some. Be specific.
>>
>> Gee, Mr "Wightman" seems to have run from this question.
>>
>
> Hmmmm well we all have to start somewhere: I too started with looking at
> Leuchters work and although some of is has been debunked some of the rest
> of it is still valid...and leads to other evidence and information.
Find me a scientific conclusion of Leuchter you consider to be
"still valid."
--
@%<
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head <de...@nospam.justifiedhate.com>" wrote:
> At the end of the day I need prove nothing.
You've made a whole raft of idiotic claims about the evidence for the Holocaust,
gutless jackass.
Somehow, it's not surprising to see you run away from those claims at full steam.
> I can produce reams of evidence to debunk the holohoax but why should I?
Because without the evidence, you're just another ranting loony.
But we already know that, since there is no such evidence.
> [...deletia...]
> You question the intelligence of those that question the holocaust.
Nope. I merely question the intelligence of anyone who would give an anonymous
coward like you the slightest credence.
> [...deletia...]
> If you believe everything you read and hear without damned good evidence
> then you show yourself up to be the ignoramus you are.
Yet you believe what you believe without damned good evidence. That makes you
the ignoramus, gutless jackass.
JGB
Michael Ragland
"de...@nospam.neverlandsystems" as email? Does it signify some type of
infatuation with death? The purpose of the Einsatzgruppen was not to
round up "Jewish criminals" but to round up and kill Jews. That is
what they did and I don't care what you may otherwise think or what
your real or imaginary grandfather may thing. From the Nazi view,
Zyklon was a perfect agent for "delousing" Jews since it was used as a
pesticide and the Nazis considered the Jews to be parasites and of
course the only way to really 100% delouse is to incinerate.
MR
Deaths Head <de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote in message news:<Xns91F0C2AE6AEB...@212.159.13.1>...
Philip Mathews
news:Xns91F0D02AA210...@212.159.13.1...
>
> At the end of the day I need prove nothing. I believe what I believe and I
> know why I believe it. I can produce reams of evidence to debunk the
> holohoax but why should I? I'm not here to convince plebs like yourself.
> And besides, you don't listen to it.
>
> To rely on jewbags statements of the holohoax is ridiculous: they wanted
to
> get something out of the war for themselves so they moaned.
Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
Samuel Johnson
Philip Mathews
I think you were just asked to back up a statement you made, specifically
that parts of the Leuchter Report were still valid.
Can we expect you to support that statement, or have you already realized
that you've stepped into the deep end of the pool?
Deaths Head
news:eaf50c6b.02041...@posting.google.com:
> Why have you chosen "Deaths Head" to be your nick? Why have you chosen
> "de...@nospam.neverlandsystems" as email? Does it signify some type of
> infatuation with death? The purpose of the Einsatzgruppen was not to
> round up "Jewish criminals" but to round up and kill Jews. That is
> what they did and I don't care what you may otherwise think or what
> your real or imaginary grandfather may thing. From the Nazi view,
> Zyklon was a perfect agent for "delousing" Jews since it was used as a
> pesticide and the Nazis considered the Jews to be parasites and of
> course the only way to really 100% delouse is to incinerate.
>
> MR
Idiot. Don't you know what the Deaths Head is?
Deaths Head
You are a bunch of jew loving scum.
I sincerely wish there WERE gas chambers...then perhaps the jewish disease
wouldn't be so proliferant. And scum like you wouldn't support them.
And besides, what is so wrong with killing the jewish scurge? What is so
wrong in sticking them in small rooms together with their own stench then
cleansing them?
I wish the world had the balls to vote ME into power, I'd sort them out for
good.
Deaths Head
> Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
>
> Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
If I ever meet you, I'll kill you where you stand.
Patrick Keenan
news:Xns91F1BDE2ABAC...@212.159.13.1...
>
> You are a bunch of jew loving scum.
>
> I sincerely wish there WERE gas chambers...then perhaps the jewish disease
> wouldn't be so proliferant. And scum like you wouldn't support them.
>
> And besides, what is so wrong with killing the jewish scurge? What is so
> wrong in sticking them in small rooms together with their own stench then
> cleansing them?
>
> I wish the world had the balls to vote ME into power, I'd sort them out
for
> good.
Why would the world vote someone who hasn't even the balls to sign their
name into power?
-pk
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> And besides, what is so wrong with killing the jewish scurge? What is so
> wrong in sticking them in small rooms together with their own stench then
> cleansing them?
It's called "mass murder", idiot. No one expects a moral imbecile like you to
understand that it's wrong -- but you cannot say that you haven't been told.
> I wish the world had the balls to vote ME into power, I'd sort them out for
> good.
No you wouldn't, gutless coward. You lack the balls to even sign your name.
There's absolutely no possibility that you could find the courage to physically
attack someone.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> > Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
> >
> > Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
>
> If I ever meet you, I'll kill you where you stand.
No, little coward, you will not. You're a gutless chunk of wormshit. You lack
the courage to assault anyone.
JGB
Philip Mathews
> > Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
> >
> > Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
>
> If I ever meet you, I'll kill you where you stand.
With what, cowardly anonymous threats?
You'd best sign off now before your mother comes home from work.
--
Philip Mathews
David Gehrig
>
>> Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
>>
>> Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
>
> If I ever meet you, I'll kill you where you stand.
Ooooooh, what a sca-a-aary hombre the anonymouse is.
--
@%<
William Daffer
Well, you don't do yourself any good by adopting this nym.
> At the end of the day I need prove nothing.
And so, you start by making a positive assertion of fact and end up
asserting that you needn't prove anything.
Is there any reason why deniers are taken lightly?
> I believe what I believe and I
> know why I believe it. I can produce reams of evidence to debunk the
> holohoax but why should I? I'm not here to convince plebs like yourself.
> And besides, you don't listen to it.
>
So far there's nothing to listen to.
> To rely on jewbags statements of the holohoax is ridiculous: they
> wanted to get something out of the war for themselves so they
> moaned.
>
Not that Holocaust denial has anything to do with anti-semitism,
mind you.
> If a foreign government is threatening you with death or lie to
> protect the truth you'll do it!
>
> You question the intelligence of those that question the
> holocaust. I refute that and throw it back: I question the
> intellegence of those that _don't_ question.
>
Then produce some reason why anyone should adopt your position. So
far all you've done is the rhetorical equivalent of taking your toys
and going home.
Face it, you were offered the opportunity to defend your position
and you folded. Not very promising for someone who claims to know
the truth. Looks a lot like someone who believes something
*independent* of the evidence.
> If you believe everything you read and hear without damned good
> evidence then you show yourself up to be the ignoramus you are.
Stop talking about yourself.
whd
--
DEM's idea of 'freedom of speech'
John Morris:
I deny ever threatening to hire private investigators as you have
threatened to do.
The DEM
I've more than threatened to do it. I've done it. And as a result,
one particularly nasty poster of revisionists' personal details has
been rather quiet recently.
It should be noted that DEM can't be talking about John Morris, yet
the DEM has published the personal details of John Morris'
adviser. Perhaps the DEM thinks John Morris' adviser posted
personal details to alt.revisionism, which is ridiculous, since John
Morris' adviser has never posted to a.r.
No, it's clear to one and all, the DEM's purpose was to silence John
Morris by terrorizing his advisor.
William Daffer
>> Ah, just as we suspected! Another hate filled moron!
>>
>> Thanks for not stretching this out for too long.
>
> If I ever meet you, I'll kill you where you stand.
What? By running away?
You're a cowardly little hatefilled knownothing and you will be
until you draw your last breath unless you change your thinking and
that radically.
whd
--
Richard Phillips, in <3BA0C85C...@earthlink.net> show's his
humanity by saying:
As for your priceless World Trade Center... my only regret
is that they didn't demolish the obscenities totally by
crashing into them at a much lower point."
William Daffer
Jesus! Another pimply revisionist who thinks he's the world's wit!
Gord McFee
>
> ragl...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland) wrote in
> news:eaf50c6b.02041...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Why have you chosen "Deaths Head" to be your nick? Why have you chosen
> > "de...@nospam.neverlandsystems" as email? Does it signify some type of
> > infatuation with death? The purpose of the Einsatzgruppen was not to
> > round up "Jewish criminals" but to round up and kill Jews. That is
> > what they did and I don't care what you may otherwise think or what
> > your real or imaginary grandfather may thing. From the Nazi view,
> > Zyklon was a perfect agent for "delousing" Jews since it was used as a
> > pesticide and the Nazis considered the Jews to be parasites and of
> > course the only way to really 100% delouse is to incinerate.
>
Yes, it is the container for your "brain".
--
Gord McFee
Michael Ragland
MR
Deaths Head <de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote in message news:<Xns91F1BB375D1...@212.159.13.1>...
Deaths Head
Michael Ragland
Gord McFee
William Daffer
David Gehrig
Phillip Matthews
Jeffrey G Brown
Jason James
Patrick Keenan
Orac
You are a load of narrow minded losers. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Just because you don't agree with what we have to say doesn't mean we are
wrong. You are the toilet paper us aryans wipe our asses on.
Fuck you all...I'd quite happily supply you with my home address etc
but I don't think you'd turn up to your own funerals...you aren't THAT
stupid, surely.
So...shut your fucking holes until you know what you are talking
about. Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls kicked.
</flame off>
--
Deaths Head
<Proud to be white, proud to be right>
Patrick Keenan
"Deaths Head" <de...@killthejews.com> wrote in message
news:Xns91F2C220B3D5...@212.159.13.1...
> <flame on>
> Michael Ragland
> Gord McFee
> William Daffer
> David Gehrig
> Phillip Matthews
> Jeffrey G Brown
> Jason James
> Patrick Keenan
> Orac
>
> You are a load of narrow minded losers. Wake up and smell the coffee!
> Just because you don't agree with what we have to say doesn't mean we are
> wrong. You are the toilet paper us aryans wipe our asses on.
But of course, you haven't actually said much of anythign at all. You made
assertions, and ran from backing them up. Is that an Aryan trait?
Again: What parts of the Leuchter report are 'still valid'?
>
> Fuck you all...I'd quite happily supply you with my home address etc
> but I don't think you'd turn up to your own funerals...you aren't THAT
> stupid, surely.
>
> So...shut your fucking holes until you know what you are talking
> about. Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls kicked.
By someone afraid to sign their name. Right.
-pk
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> So...shut your fucking holes until you know what you are talking
> about. Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls kicked.
The empty threats of an obvious coward such as yourself will produce only the
derisive laughter you so richly deserve, stainboy...
JGB
Deaths Head
news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-C2...@news.alt.net:
LOL derisive laughter? Only coming from a shitstain like yourself,
jeffery_g!
Go continue fucking your mama up the ass because your wife left you for a
nigger! Fucking american asswipe. I take it you liked the taste of your
daddy's filthy cock which he shoved into your eager and hungry mouth from
the moment you were born? Thats all you and your like are good for: human
blowjob machines.
Deaths Head
afraid? I think not. What bearing does it have? a) if you turned up at my
house you'd be killed stone dead and b) i'd poke your eye out and
skullfuck you first.
:)
I don't have to prove anything, real posters to this ng discuss what
really happened with the holohoax - you are only there to cause trouble.
Pucker up asswipe, we don't need your filthy kind around here. Fucking
jew loving scum.
--
Bob H Matthews
<Deaths Head>
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> afraid? I think not.
Then sign your name, coward.
> What bearing does it have? a) if you turned up at my
> house you'd be killed stone dead and b) i'd poke your eye out and
> skullfuck you first.
False. You lack the courage to sign your name.
You therefore lack the courage to physically assault anyone.
> [...deletia...]
> I don't have to prove anything
Too bad your cowardice has already proven more about you than you know.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> Go continue fucking your mama up the ass because your wife left you for a
> nigger! Fucking american asswipe. I take it you liked the taste of your
> daddy's filthy cock which he shoved into your eager and hungry mouth from
> the moment you were born? Thats all you and your like are good for: human
> blowjob machines.
Still can't back up your claims about the Holocaust with facts, can you, coward?
JGB
PÃT
> In article <Xns91F2D05B527A...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous coward
> "Deaths Head" wrote:
>
>
>>afraid? I think not.
>
>
> Then sign your name, coward.
>
>
>>What bearing does it have? a) if you turned up at my
>>house you'd be killed stone dead and b) i'd poke your eye out and
>>skullfuck you first.
>
>
> False. You lack the courage to sign your name.
why should he (or she). You already have proven to stalk children by
name once people give you this information. Here is a repeat of the many
quotes from Jeffrey, stalking a little girl and asking her father why
she doesn't view gay porn pictures. We will call the girl Heather but
Jeffrey used her real name.
>> > > "Hi, Donnie. What's Heather doing right now?" - Sat, 19 Jan 2002
Why does Jeffrey want to know what a little girl is doing at the moment?
ONly a total sick bastard would ask that.
>> > >
>> > > "Hi, Donnie. Does Heather know you're spending all your time
>> > > telling lies about other people on the Internet" - Date:
>> > > 2002-01-19 07:28:10 PST
>> > >
>> > > "Heather is your daughter, Donnie. She'll be so happy when she
>> > > finds out that her
>> > > own father pretends she doesn't exist." - Date: 2002-01-19
>> > > 06:52:33 PST
>> > >
>> > > "Does Heather know what kind of liar her father is? I'm sure she
>> > > does, by now" - Date: 2002-01-19 06:53:50 PST
>> > >
>> > > "Hey pusbag -- has Heather seen those pics" (referring to gay sex
>> > > acts) - Date: 2001-01-17 18:14:50 PST
Jeff Brown trying to get people to show little girls gay porn pics
>> > >
>> > > "Why don't you call this Heather and tell her for yourself.
>> > > Coward" - Date: 2002-01-19 07:01:13 PST
>> > >
>> > > "When Heather is older, she'll surely understand that her father
>> > > was mentally ill." - Date: 2002-01-19 06:45:29 PST
>> > >
>> > > "Still hiding behind Heather, you gutless worm? Shame on you..."
>> > > - Date: 2001-01-16 10:34:03 PST
>> > >
>> > > "Have you told Heather yet what kind of pictures her Daddy puts
>> > > on the Internet" (Jeffrey encouraging showing little kids gay sex
>> > > pics) - Date: 2002-01-05 19:00:11 PST
>> > >
>> > > Jeffrey G. Brown is one sick, very sick bastard. That is why Jeff
>> > > Brown of rent-a-geek wants your name, so he can stalk your
>> > > children also.
The poster should remain anonymous. I would be scared of you also Mr. Brown.
--
pat
Kurt Knoll
masturbate.
Kurt Knoll.
===========
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-C2...@news.alt.net...
John Morris
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Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:14:46 GMT, PĂT <p...@blakeIy.harrogate.net> wrote:
[snip]
Funny how you so consistently attribute your own disease to others.
[snip]
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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wrote:
> <flame on>
Or, "What to do when you can't answer the evidence."
- --
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at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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etc. In most cases 419 emails from other nations are also Nigerian in that
the "Home Office" of the 419ers involved is Nigeria regardless of the source
of the contact materials. But there are occasionally some "local" copycats
trying to emulate the success of the Nigerians. These folks tend not to last
too long actually operating out of nations other than Nigeria, but they do
try.
419 Coalition does NOT need to see a copy of your 419 letter, email, or fax,
we've seen tens of thousands already. But please DO follow the instructions
that apply to you in the What To Do section below, which tell you where to
send your 419 materials..
Please Read the ENTIRE site BEFORE contacting 419 Coalition for information,
questions etc., as ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION AND DATA IS ALREADY SUMMARIZED
AND POSTED UP ON THIS SITE.
Please Note that all information, inquiries, and data furnished to 419
Coalition are considered a matter of Public Record which 419 Coalition
reserves the right to use, act on, disseminate, or refer to appropriate
Governments, agencies, authorities, or organizations as we, in our sole
judgement, see fit.
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THE FIVE RULES FOR DOING BUSINESS WITH NIGERIA
Courtesy of The 419 Coalition
1. NEVER pay anything up front for ANY reason.
2. NEVER extend credit for ANY reason.
3. NEVER do ANYTHING until their check clears.
4. NEVER expect ANY help from the Nigerian Government.
5. NEVER rely on YOUR Government to bail you out.
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What To Do If You Receive A Nigerian Scam/419 Letter
United States Citizens and Residents
1. If you are a United States Citizen or Resident and have suffered NO
Financial Loss, write "No Financial Loss - For Your Database" on the
documents you received and Fax them to the US Secret Service Task Force
handling Scam matters at 202-406-6930. Actual hardcopy of the 419er
document(s) is required to add your 419ers information to the Task Force
Database for legal reasons, merely telling Task Force about it will NOT
suffice.
You may also email the 419er documents, especially any Banking Data they may
have given you, marked No Loss, to Task Force Main in DC; that is also
acceptable.
Since Task Force is Very Busy dealing with cases in which there Have been
financial losses, it is NOT customary for them to contact you in cases where
there has been No Loss. But it is Very Important that you get your 419ers
data into the Task Force Database, so DO send it along.
2. IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A
FINANCIAL LOSS write "Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP" on the documents you
have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930 and give Your
telephone number(s). A Secret Service Agent will call you back as soon as
possible to discuss the matter with you ( don't worry, you're Not in any
trouble ). You may also email the 419er materials, especially any Banking
Data they have given you, to Task Force Main in DC marked Financial Loss -
Contact Me ASAP and give your phone number.
If you don't get contacted by a Special Agent soon enough to suit you, call
the Task Force Voice at 202-406-5850 and tell the Operator (or voicemail)
that it's Urgent, you want to talk to an Agent as soon as possible, and give
your name and telephone number(s).
International Citizens and Residents
1. Please Fax hardcopy of the 419 correspondence you received to the US Task
Force at 202-406-6930, especially any banking data, so that they can be
included in the Task Force Database; state what Country you are sending
from; and state whether there has been a Loss or there is No Loss.
Alternatively, you can email the material to Task Force Main in DC marked
Loss or No Loss.
If there is a US Connection to the 419 operation, please Clearly state
exactly what that is and give details.
2. Notify your Own Nation's National Law Enforcement Agency and your Own
Nation's Foreign Office.
Do not expect to be contacted by Task Force in No Loss cases or in Loss
cases without a US connection. There IS, however, an an informal group of
National and International Law Enforcement Agencies which meets and shares
Information and Data on Nigerian Scam operations, and it is Important that
your 419ers data be on record to be included in these discussions.
Things to Do For Everybody Everywhere
1. If you have NOT suffered a financial loss, so the matter is not Urgent,
you may alternatively SNAILMAIL the Scam documents you have received to the
United States Secret Service, Financial Crimes Division, 419 Task Force, 950
H Street, Washington, DC, 20001-4518, USA. But be sure to mark your
documents "No Financial Loss - For Your Database" as described above.
2. If you wish, file a Complaint with the Nigerian Embassy in your Nation.
Won't help much, but can't hurt much.
3. If the contact from the 419ers was via email: write their email provider
and include the 419er message with its headers; complain about the 419
message; and ask that the account be shut down.
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Canada - Country Specific Instructions - Canada
Although there is a 419 investigative team of the RCMP based in Ottawa, this
is NOT where citizens should direct complaints or inquiries. Regional
Offices of the RCMP Commercial Crime Branch are the appropriate places to
direct inquiries or data. The phone/fax numbers of the nearest CCB office
are available from Any detachment of the RCMP/GRC. Data forwarded to the
Regional CCB office is used to establish regional statistics and will be
sent to the Central Team.
And please do fax hardcopy of your Bad Guy Data, especially Nigerian Scammer
Banking Data to the US Task Force, appropriately marked with Canada, Loss
( or No Loss as the Case May Be ), No US Connection, For Your Database, at
202-406-6930. You may also email such data to Task Force Main in DC if you
prefer.
If there IS a US Connection, please Follow These Instructions for Canada AND
ALSO follow the instructions for US Citizens and Residents given above.
You may also access the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Website (RCMP/GRC)
which contains a section on the Nigerian Scam.
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South Africa - Country Specific Instructions - South Africa
Please contact Captain SC Schambriel of Commercial Crime, Head Office, at
telephone number (012) 339 1203 or fax the information to him at (012) 339
1202. You can also email South African related 419 materials and information
to Captain Schambriel.
Also please fax the Scam documents, especially Nigerian Scammer banking
data, to the US Task Force at 202-406-6930 appropriately marked South
Africa - Loss ( or No Loss as the case may be ) - For Your Database. Please
be SURE to state if there is any US Connection to your 419ers' operations,
particularly if there is US Banking Data on them. You may also email such
relevant data to Task Force Main in DC if you prefer to do it that way.
The South African Police Service maintains a 419 Scams/Nigerian Letters
Alert on their website. For a look at a short Anti-419 Pamphlet issued by
and available from the South African Police Service, Click Here.
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United Kingdom - Country Specific Instructions - United Kingdom
For those in the UK with NO financial loss, examples of Internet '419'
Advance Fee Fraud should be forwarded to your local fraud squad for
investigation, whose location is obtainable through your local police
station. Please quote 'NCIS West African Organised Crime Section' in your
correspondence with them and under no circumstances reply to these
criminals.
In addition to the above, if you HAVE lost money and there is a UK
connection to the 419 operation, the NCIS wishes to speak directly with you
as soon as possible. Persons who Have actually lost money to such scams can
be contact NCIS at :
or by phone at 020 7238 8012.
NCIS also notes that 419 emails are very common, and it is possible that you
may receive others in the future. Please do not send them direct to NCIS
unless there is a loss, but as well as transmitting them direct to your
local fraud squad, please send a copy to the Internet Service Provider
(ISP's) from where the 419er email has originated. These emails to the ISP's
should be addressed to:
abuse@"the ISP's name"
(for example ab...@yahoo.com, ab...@hotmail.com, ab...@onebox.com).
By this method the ISP's will be able to quickly terminate the accounts that
abuse their systems.
Anyone OUTSIDE the UK receiving such a letter or email with a UK connection
is advised not to reply and to forward the correspondence to the National
Criminal Intelligence Service, PO Box 8000, London SE11 5EN, or by e-mail.
Also please email 419 letters, materials, and other relevant data to Task
Force Main in DC or fax it to them at 202-406-6930 (US) if you prefer.
Please be SURE to state if there is any US Connection to your 419ers'
operations, Particularly if there is US Banking Data on them. Please mark
the materials Loss ( or No Loss as the case may be ) - For Your Database.
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Nigerian Scam News, Links, Information, & Analysis
Additional Data and Analysis on the Nigerian Scam, plus LATEST NEWS and
Other Information follows. PLEASE READ EVERY PAGE to get a Comprehensive
View of the Nigerian Scam and the Efforts of Public and Private Agencies to
Combat It. LINKS to other Scam Fighting Websites are also provided below for
your convenience.
419 COALITION LATEST NEWS ON
NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 2001 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 2000 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 1999 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 1998 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 1997 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
419 COALITION 1996 NEWS ON NIGERIAN SCAM/419 OPERATIONS
Books on 419
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Press Release by Congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts on the Nigerian
Advanced Fee Fraud Prevention Act of 1998
Introduction by Congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts to the Nigerian
Advanced Fee Fraud Prevention Act of 1998
Full Text of H.R. 3916: the "Nigerian Advanced Fee Fraud Prevention Act of
1998"
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US Department of State - Bureau of International Narcotics and Law
Enforcement Affairs - Publication 10465 - "Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud"
(Adobe Acrobat Reader Required. This is a pdf file of about 1 gig - a Long
load but worth it)
US Department of State - Tips for Business Travelers to Nigeria
US Department of State - Travel Warning on Nigeria
US Secret Service Home Page - Click on "Investigations" and then "Financial
Crimes" for Warning and Advisory on Nigerian Scam - 419 - Advance Fee Fraud
US Secret Service Nigerian Scam Warning in Various Languages - The English
version is on the Secret Service site menued above
Transparency International Mucks It Up On 419
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Private Firms Interested in 419 Recovery Operations
Sample Nigerian Scam/419 Letters
Government of Nigeria Involvement in the Scam
Government of Nigeria Media Campaigns
419 Coalition Recommendations on the Nigerian Scam
Select Nigerian Organizations Fighting the Nigerian Scam
Response to Nigerian Gov't Statement on IIS & 419 Coalition
Alpha Electronics Statement on the Nigerian Scam
419 Coalition Peace with Honor Proposal (Expired 31 MAR 97)
419 Coalition at YOUR site
About The 419 Coalition
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LINKS TO SITES FIGHTING THE NIGERIAN SCAM HERE!!
Most in English, but also some in French, Spanish, German, Dutch, &
Indonesian/Malay languages.
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Notes
419 Coalition appreciates immensely the contributions of the media in
fighting 419, as publicity and education are two of the best ways currently
available to fight 419.
419 Coalition is always glad to try and answer via email any questions from
individuals or journalists on 419 matters which are NOT already covered on
the site.
419 Coalition no longer takes voice calls nor does voice interviews. We used
to, but we were too overwhelmed to continue doing so. However, author Brian
Wizard ( Nigerian 419 Scam: Game Over! ) does enjoy doing occasional voice
interviews. US Secret Service 419 Task Force also has spokesmen available
for interviews, call them in Washington DC at 202-406-5850.
419 Coalition no longer "furnishes" 419 victims to the media for interviews,
sorry. However, several victims have stated in our News sections that they
are available for interview and have given their contact data, so check
there.
Privacy Policy etc.
419 Coalition tracks hits on this page, employing Watchwise to do so. This
page, the "index page" of our site, is the only page on it we track. We can
track back to ISP and IP. We do this for several reasons, among them:
1. To be able to demonstrate that hits on this page come from other sources
than us sitting here and hitting "return" a thousand times at a clip :) :)
2. When we see a surge of hits from different IP's in a given nation, we are
able to advise USSS 419 Task Force of a surge of 419 activity directed at
that nation, which allows Task Force in cooperation with local authorities
to understake preemptive educational and other measures there.
3. We like to know what governmental agencies etc. in the US and worldwide
are actively interested in 419.
Here are what individual "hit" reports look like:
04 Dec 2001 11:57:09 212.96.2.135 212.96.2.135 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE
5.0; Windows NT)
03 Dec 2001 15:37:43 156.80.108.193 156.80.108.193 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
30 Nov 2001 10:34:15 gated.thls.bbc.co.uk 132.185.240.13 Mozilla/4.0
(compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; DigExt; BBC Desktop)
30 Nov 2001 08:51:23 tias-gw7.treas.gov 199.196.144.17 Mozilla/4.5
[en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U)
Various statistical reports are then compiled from the individual hit
reports.
419 Coalition reserves the right to use all hit data and all materials
received by us in any way we, in our sole judgement, see fit, including
relaying data and materials to such authorities as we deem useful. Those who
disagree with this policy may of course use other counter-419 sites for
their research etc. There are links to many counter-419 sites on our
Fighters page. We do not track hits on the Fighters page. As we note above
the Index Page ( that is This page ) is the Only page of this site that we
track.
Thank you for visiting The 419 Coalition website. We hope that you have
found it useful.
The 419 Coalition
Twin Maples
3891 Valley Pike North
Harrisonburg, VA, 22802
USA
Email The 419 Coalition
Freewill non tax deductible contributions are always appreciated.
"PĂT" <p...@blakeIy.harrogate.net> wrote in message
news:3CBC862B...@blakeIy.harrogate.net...
Philip Mathews
"Deaths Head" <de...@killthejews.com> wrote in message
news:Xns91F2C220B3D5...@212.159.13.1...
> <flame on>
> Michael Ragland
> Gord McFee
> William Daffer
> David Gehrig
> Phillip Matthews
> Jeffrey G Brown
> Jason James
> Patrick Keenan
> Orac
>
> You are a load of narrow minded losers. Wake up and smell the coffee!
> Just because you don't agree with what we have to say doesn't mean we are
> wrong.
Yes it does.
You're an idiot, and a hater.
The next time you feel the urge to mention my name, spell it correctly.
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
Samuel Johnson
David Gehrig
> You are a woad of nawwow minded wosers. Wake up and smeww the coffee!
> Just because you don't agwee with what we have to say doesn't mean we awe
> wong.
No, but the fact you are wrong _does_ mean you are wrong.
> You are the toiwet papew us awyans wipe ouw asses on.
"Us aryans" -- dint dooo tooo gud in that there booklarnin, didya,
anonymouse?
> Fuck you aww...I'd quite happiwy suppwy you with my home addwess etc
> but I don't think you'd tuwn up to your own funewaws...you awen't THAT
> stupid, suwewy.
So I take it that this means you can't find any scientific finding
of Leucter that strikes you as being valid. Poor Deaths Fudd.
> So...shut your fucking howes until you know what you are tawking
> about.
I know the Leucter report a hell of a lot better than you do,
Deaths Fudd. And you know it, which is why you're scared to
go back to it.
> Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls kicked.
I've scraped more threatening creatures off a rose petal, you bad
hombre.
--
@%<
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
==========
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-88...@news.alt.net...
Kurt Knoll
population was 800.000
Now there are 6.5 millions are all the extra imports Holohoax Survivors
Jeffery ?.
Kurt Knoll.
===========
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-BE...@news.alt.net...
Gord McFee
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.................
--
Gord McFee
Philip Mathews
news:ubpe5uk...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-BE...@news.alt.net...
> > In article <Xns91F2CFDEDE2F...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous
> coward
> > "Deaths Head" wrote:
> >
> > > Go continue fucking your mama up the ass because your wife left you
> for a
> > > nigger! Fucking american asswipe. I take it you liked the taste of
> your
> > > daddy's filthy cock which he shoved into your eager and hungry mouth
> from
> > > the moment you were born? Thats all you and your like are good for:
> human
> > > blowjob machines.
> >
> > Still can't back up your claims about the Holocaust with facts, can
> you, coward?
> Yes it never did happen.
Oh, don't be stupid. Of course it happened.
>On CNN Today they said in 1948 Israelis
> population was 800.000
> Now there are 6.5 millions are all the extra imports Holohoax Survivors
> Jeffery ?.
Approximately 1.3 million of that population is Arab.
Ţat
and people who train young children to be sexual dommes.
John Morris clearly supports this type of behavior.
--
Pat
The truth about Scott "Seig Heil" Bradbury
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=ycvr8.10271%242J2.3135329%40typho
on.southeast.rr.com
_Tavish_
<vH4v8.380066$2J2.16...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> "Ţat"
<tavishis...@blakely.harrogate.net> wrote:
>The truth about Scott "Seig Heil" Bradbury
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=ycvr8.10271%242J2.3135329%40typhoon.southeast.rr.com
Personal attack, smear, and the constatnt quoting of a dismissed lawuit is about
all a loser such as you has left isn't it?
For the lurkers sake I will make mention of the DISMISSED lawsuit here:
>Robert Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas (a/k/a Doc Tavish) is documented
>by the Common Pleas court of Lehigh County ....
>
>IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF LEHIGH COUNTY
>
>CIVIL DIVISION -- LAW
>
>YALE F. EDEIKEN :
> :
>Plaintiff :
> :
>vs. : No. 99-C- 2786
> :
>
>SCOTT BRADBURY
>
>COMPLAINT
>
>
> 1 Plaintiff Yale F. Edeiken (hereinafter "Plaintiff") is a an
>adult citizen and resident of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania.
>
> 2. Defendant Scott Bradbury (hereinafter "Defendant") is an adult
>citizen and resident of the State of Texas
[...]
> 11. Said campaign of harassment and intimidation has included,
>inter alia, the publication of the private names and addresses of his
>victims and their families with suggestions of violence and the offering of
>rewards to those who would supply him with the addresses and telephone
>numbers of his victims.
All of the above has been proven to have been done by Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely
and the former plaintiff now has proof in his hands that it was Don Ellis who
did such and NOT me, the former defendant.
> 12. Said campaign of harassment has included the forging of
>communications and publishing such forgeries representing that they
>originated with the victims of his campaigns of harassment.
>
> 13. Said campaign of harassment has included the publication and
>circulation of claims which are false and known by Defendant to be false
>concerning the sexual orientation and practices of his opponents.
>
> 14. Said campaign of harassment has included harassment by sending
>his opponents harassing electronic communications (e-mail) including sexual
>innuendo, threats, and bigoted slurs.
All of the above has been proven to have been done by Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely
and the former plaintiff now has proof in his hands that it was Don Ellis who
did such and NOT me, the former defendant.
[...]
> 19. That said accomplices include, inter alai:
>b. Don Ellis, an anti-Semite and debunker of the Holocaust who resides in
>Star City, Arkansas.
>
>c. A person publishing material on the internet through remarq.com under
>various pseudonyms including but not limited to, "Mike Kalvatis," "Pat
>Blakely," "Jesus Christ," "RevWhte," "Rabbi Brimstone" and various forged
>headers.
>
> 20. That the various accomplices of Defendant are aware of his
>activities and act in concert with him and with his aid, assistance and
>approval.
>
> 21. That the existence, purpose, nature, and intent of Defendant's
>activities is know to flash.net which continues to allow the Defendant to
>use their facilities for such purposes and otherwise supports the
>activities of the Defendant.
Bunch of anonymous and forged e-mails deleted. E-mails sent via an anonymizer
and signed by a "person" who allegedly sent them is no proof that said person
actually sent them as all anonymizers claim in their headers!
> 40. Said telephonic communications were intended and designed to
>alarm, harass, intimidate, annoy, distress, and inflict emotional distress
>upon Plaintiff and that such damages actually occurred.
>
> 41. As a result of which Plaintiff suffered great distress and
>mental anguish and was deprived of the enjoyment of life's pleasures.
[...]
> 61. As part of his consistent pattern of harassment Defendant has,
>individually and in collaboration with others published the names,
>addresses, and telephone numbers of his opponents with requests that others
>harass those who object to the anti-Semitic propaganda he distributes.
>
> 62. Said information has included the names, addresses, and
>telephone numbers of his detractors families, parents, children, employers,
>associates, and neighbors with instructions that they be contacted with
>false and/or outrageous material about his detractors private lives.
I have not done such YET I have given the former plaintiff original postings
made by Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely (complete with headers) which did so.
> 63. Said campaigns of stalking and harassment have included the
>offering of rewards and other encouragements to various of Defendant's
>accomplices to provide him with such information to assist Defendant in his
>stalking, harassment, and intimidation of his victims.
>
> 64. Together with the accomplices named above and various others
>unknown to Plaintiff, Defendant has compiled and published and/or assisted
>in the compilation and publication of the "Nizkor Telephone Book" which
>publishes such information in a malicious effort to harass, annoy, and
>intimidate his detractors and to have a chilling effect upon their exercise
>of their right of free speech
I have not done such YET I have given the former plaintiff original postings
made by Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely (complete with headers) which prove that he is
the original source of the Nizkor Phonebook.
> 65. Such acts were done maliciously with the intent of harassing,
>annoying and intimidating his detractors, adversely affecting their private
>lives and employment, and chilling their exercise of their right of free
>speech.
[...]
>76. In addition to publishing the Plaintiff's name, address, and telephone
>number, Defendant acting individually and by and/or in concert with his
>aforementioned accomplices published the names addresses and telephone
>numbers of Plaintiff's ,family including his wife, father, brother, sister,
>stepmother and business associates with similar invitations to harass,
>annoy and frighten them.
The above was done by Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely and it was done so through a
hacked Road Runner connection in Cincinnati, Ohio. Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely has
already demonstrated that he can hack into Road Runner as he consistently does
so. Seeing how the Don Ellis alias Pat Blakely allegedly lives in Baltimore,
Maryland and Don Ellis lives in Star City, Arkansas (neither area served by Road
Runner) they have no legitimate reason to be using a Columbia, South Carolina
Road Runner cable modem connection.
[...]
> 79. Said publications and incitements were intended and designed
>to alarm, harass, intimidate, annoy, distress, and inflict emotional
>distress upon Plaintiff and others and that such damages actually occurred.
>
> 80. As a result of which Plaintiff suffered great distress and
>mental anguish and was deprived of he enjoyment of life's pleasures.
[...]
>COUNT IV: Defamation
>
> 84. Plaintiff hereby incorporates by reference Paragraphs 1
>through 83 of this Complaint as though set forth fully at length.
>
> 85. As part of his publications concerning Plaintiff and other,
>Defendant consistently fabricated false allegations against Plaintiff and
>others and knowingly published said fabrications as fact with the malicious
>intent of damaging the reputations of Plaintiff and others.
>
> 87. Said fabrications were known by the Defendant and his
>accomplices to be false and defamatory.
>
> 88. Many of the said defamatory publications were made directly to
>third parties within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania with the intention of
>damaging the reputation of Plaintiff within the community in which he
>resides thereby vesting jurisdiction with this Honorable Court.
[...]
> 109. In each of the hundreds of times Defendant has maliciously
>published such false and defamatory material both published on the internet
>and communicated to third persons within the County of Lehigh, Commonwealth
>of Pennsylvania material Defendant has intended to adversely effect the
>reputation of the Plaintiff.
Since Don Ellis has decided to wage war against me; he has done to me the same
things Yale Edeiken accused me of doing to him which proves more or less it was
Don Ellis who has done both!
[...]
>AFFIDAVIT
>
>I, Sara Salzman, being duly sworn, state as follows:
>
>1. That Deponent has personal knowledge of the testimony given below.
>
>2. That Deponent is an adult woman who is a computer professional who
>uses the Internet in her work.
>
>3. That Deponent has engaged in various activities related to the
>study of the Holocaust and the presentation of the historic reality of the
>Holocaust on the Internet. Said activities have included, inter alia, the
>preparation of materials about the Nuremberg trials and the trial of Adolf
>Eichmann for availability on the Internet.
>
>4. That as the result if those and similar activities, Deponent has
>attracted the attention of various anti-Semitic activists and has become a
>target for harassment by said activists.
>
>5. That someone using the alias of "Doc Tavish" is one of the
>anti-Semitic activists who have harassed Deponent, and Deponent believes
>that "Doc Tavish" is Scott Bradbury the Defendant herein.
[...]
>7. That other forms of harassment by the anti-Semitic activists have
>included, among other things, threats against Deponent's children and
>family; publication of her home address and of the telephone numbers of
>Deponent and her father; publication of the addresses and phone numbers of
>Deponent's neighbors; publication of a photograph purported to be
>Deponent's house; publication of a map and directions to Deponent's house;
>publication of untrue statements about Deponent, including statement that
>Deponent abuses her children, that Deponent abuses drugs, and that Deponent
>"fucks dogs."
Sara Salzman will now testify on the former defendant's behalf that all acts
named above were perpetrated by Donald Ray Ellis of Star City, Arkansas.
>8. That in addition to such public statements about Deponent,
>Defendant Bradbury and/or his accomplices have filed false accusations with
>child protection authorities in Deponent's community and have encouraged
>others to do the same. Death threats to Defendant Bradbury and his
>accomplices have been forged in Deponent's name, and Deponent believes that
>these forgeries were made by these anti-Semitic activists. A death threat
>to then-President Clinton was e-mailed to the White House forged in
>Deponent's name, and Deponent believes that the forgery was committed by
>these anti-Semitic activists. Defendant Bradbury and/or his accomplices
>have also forged Deponent's 9-year-old daughter in Internet posts
>soliciting sex and accusing Deponent of forcing said daughter to have sex
>for money.
Sara Salzman will now testify on the former defendant's behalf that all acts
named above were perpetrated by Donald Ray Ellis of Star City, Arkansas.
Even though Donald Ray Ellis thinks he's getting much mileage from his
continually spamming this DISMISSED lawsuit he fails to fully acknowledge that
the majority of accusations which were made against me were acts he actually did
and furthermore as proof that the lawsuit is now history as far as it relates to
me I now offer:
Andrea E. Naugle
CLERK OF COURTS OF LEHIGH COUNTY - CIVIL DIVISION
Lehigh County Courthouse
455 W. Hamilton Street
Allentown, PA 18101-1614
RE: Edeiken Vs Bradbury 1999-C-2786
Partial text of letter from Judge Reibman:
<START>
Copies of this order were mailed to all counsel of record and pro se litigants.
CC: Counsel for Plaintiff (Yale F. Edeiken): Yale F. Edeiken Esq.
Counsel for Defendant (Scott Bradbury) : Daylin B. Leach Esq.
ORDER
AND NOW, this 12th day of June, 2001, upon consideration of Defendant's
Petition for Relief from Judgment, filed on September 22, 2000,
Plaintiff's response thereto, and argument thereon on February 7, 2001,
IT IS ORDERED said petition is GRANTED, and the case is DISMISSED.
[...]
BY THE COURT:
(Signed) Edward J. Reibman, J.
<STOP>
THE APPEAL WAS ALSO DISMISSED!!
<Start>
September 26, 2001
Yale F. Edeiken
XXXXXXX Street
Allentown, PA 18104-3759
RE: Yale F. Edeiken, Appellant v. Scott Bradbury et al
1714 EDA 2001
Dear Mr. Edeiken:
This is to advise that the attached Order has been entered in the above-
captioned matters.
A Certified Copy of this Order together with the record will be sent to
the Prothonotary of Lehigh County in due course.
Very truly yours,
(Signed)
David A. Szewczak
Prothonotary
DAS/dag
Attachment
CC: Daylin B. Leach, Esquire
Scott Bradbury
Honorable Edward D. Reibman
<Stop>
The Attachment:
<Start>
Superior Court of Pennsylvania
Eastern District Office
Yale F. Edeiken APPELLANT No. 1714 EDA 2001
V.
Scott Bradbury Et Al C.P. Civil Lehigh County
99-C-2786
ORDER
AND NOW, this 26th day of September, 2001, the within
appeal is DISMISSED....
PER CURIAM
<STOP>
Keep spamming this DISMISSED lawsuit Don Ellis and I will keep showing that you
should have been the real defendant.
Scott Bradbury
---
For those who have been abused or harassed by Don Ellis/RevWhite/Pat Blakely:
Donald Ray Ellis aka Pat Blakely/RevWhite/Mike Kalvatis/Rob Stewart ET AL
108 E. Victory Street
Star City, Arkansas 71667
Tel: (870) 628-1437
Arkansas Criminal Detail:
Name ELLIS,DONALD R.
Docket number 20 1988 18
DOB Jul 7 1955
Disp type Felony
File type Felony
Name ELLIS,DONALD R.
Docket number 06 1988 21
DOB Jul 7 1955
Disp type Felony
File type Felony
---Psycho Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely Advocating Murder:
"Yup, I think killing abortion doctors helps saves the lives of
babies. Therefore it is justifible as shooting a criminal in the
act (which abortion doctors are doing by the way). Pat Blakely
Do the world a favor and put an abortion doctor out of business."
Message-ID: <037120e8...@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>
"One of these days, someone is really going to make you eat your words
you son of a bitch." --Don Ellis aka Pat Blakely aka Rob Stewart aka Mike
Kalvatis - 22 Jan 2002 <m4tp4ushtruo6s7d2...@4ax.com>
---
"[Y]ou are going to be one sorry SOB. Doc, we are the dirtiest players on the
internet." Donald Ray Ellis of Star City, Arkansas and his "sock puppets" Pat
Blakely aka Rev White aka Rob Stewart aka Mike Kalvatis aka Commissar aka
Confederate ET AL 01/22/2002 Message-ID:
<13739392.02012...@posting.google.com>
The above threat was made against me in January 2002 when I identified Don Ellis
as being troll Rob Stewart. Since I have done that Don Ellis has waged a war of
smear against me like he did to Yale F. Edeiken.
______________________________________________________________________
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In <vH4v8.380066$2J2.16...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> in
alt.revisionism, on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:00:59 GMT, "Ţat"
<tavishis...@blakely.harrogate.net> wrote:
> There goes Morris again, always one the scene to defend known child
> stalkers and people who train young children to be sexual dommes.
> John Morris clearly supports this type of behavior.
Clearly, you are behaving exactly as I said you would when someone
stands up to our diseased behavior: you start hurling the same
accusations you hurl at everybody.
The only problem with stalking me is that I'm not not afraid of
creepy little freaks like you.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <vH4v8.380066$2J2.16...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> in
alt.revisionism, on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:00:59 GMT, "Ţat"
<tavishis...@blakely.harrogate.net> wrote:
> There goes Morris again, always one the scene to defend known child
> stalkers
I've never defended you.
> and people who train young children to be sexual dommes.
I don't know any such people. I do know that there are people you
lie about because you can't stop yourself.
> John Morris clearly supports this type of behavior.
Pat Blakely is too stupid and corrupt to get the help he needs.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Voice of Reason
--
Pat
The truth about Scott "Seig Heil" Bradbury, the past he wants you to forget
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=ycvr8.10271%242J2.3135329%40typho
on.southeast.rr.com
Voice of Reason
--
Pat
Deaths Head
Now, now: sticks and stones may break my bones... ;)
So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway? Not that i mind but I don't really
dig where its coming from. Is it because I don't reveal my name? Surely
thats a bit OTT!
So it must be something else I've said to offend you personally. Pray tell!
Is it because I threaten your simple little world where you believe
everything you hear?
Patrick Keenan
news:Xns91F3E10607F4...@212.159.13.1...
>
> Now, now: sticks and stones may break my bones... ;)
>
> So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway? Not that i mind but I don't really
> dig where its coming from. Is it because I don't reveal my name? Surely
> thats a bit OTT!
No, it's because you ran away when asked to support your claims. But yes,
even the Knolls use their real names.
> So it must be something else I've said to offend you personally. Pray
tell!
Again, you've said very little, and haven't backed any of it up.
> Is it because I threaten your simple little world where you believe
> everything you hear?
Threaten it with what? Unsupported assertions?
>
> --
> Deaths Head
> <When you see me, you'll know me>
Been there. You're nothing new.
-pk
Gord McFee
Voice of Reason wrote:
>
> tilt
Poor Donnie is TILTing again.
--
Gord McFee
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Voice of Reason wrote:
>> tilt
>Poor Donnie is TILTing again.
Again? He's been in continuous mode for years, it looks like.
--PLH, hoping Ellis has called the number I directed him to on my
machine...they could use the laugh
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway?
Simple. You're too gutless to sign your name to your threats.
That's why there is no reason to believe that you'll ever carry them out.
JGB
Kurt Knoll
Jeffery.
Kurt Knoll.
======
"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-31...@news.alt.net...
Commissar
"Patrick L. Humphrey pedophile at large" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in
message news:szkr8ld...@eris.io.com...
Patrick L. Humphrey molested his ex-wife's grandchildren
William Daffer
> <flame on>
> Michael Ragland
> Gord McFee
> William Daffer
Hey! I made it! I pissed off another pimply little naziod shit-for-brains!
> David Gehrig
> Phillip Matthews
> Jeffrey G Brown
> Jason James
> Patrick Keenan
> Orac
>
> You are a load of narrow minded losers.
It's amazing how much holocaust deniers suffer from projection!
> Wake up and smell the coffee! Just because you don't agree with
> what we have to say doesn't mean we are wrong.
You're right, you're not wrong because I (or others) say you're
wrong. You're wrong on the facts. And while it's not conclusive, the
pathological fear you exhibit in debating the issues is very
suggestive that you are completely ignorant of the history you claim
to criticise. After all, it took only one challenge to your world
view for you to morph into a rabid dog.
If you're completely ignorant of history, then by what right do you
criticise history?
Face it, you're *bone ignorant* of the history of this time and you
know it. That's the only explanation for your over-the-top emotional
reaction. What's more, you're *deathly afraid* of learning about it
for fear that your precious Nazi white-power-ranger weltenschauung
will be overwhelmed by a reality much deeper, more complex, more
*gray*, than the _black and white_ your poor brain desperately
*wants* to be true.
Ignorant schmucks like you are what built the Nazi party, you're the
white trash they sent out to beat people up, you're the white trash
they sent out to get killed and you're probably proud of that. Were
you at all aware of history, you might also know that a good number
of such pawns were murdered by Hitler in the 'night of the long
knives' when they became politically expendible.
Be a tool, by all means. Forfeit your brain to a movement that
insults your intelligence and, using the willingness of drones like
you to work mindlessly, succeeded in killing millions to no good
purpose.
> You are the toilet paper us aryans wipe our asses on.
>
*LOL*!
Ya gotta love the ignorant braggadocio of these goose-stepping
cyber-babies.
Did you have an rational argument to present about the falsehood of
normative history or are you nothing but whining and mindless
bluster.
Wait, don't bother. We already know.
> Fuck you all...I'd quite happily supply you with my home address etc
Go ahead, be our guest, but I think you're lying.
> but I don't think you'd turn up to your own funerals...
LOL! Just how would I avoid my own funeral?
> you aren't THAT stupid, surely.
No, it's true. I know for a dead certainty that I will have to show
up for my own funeral. Apparently you're stupid enough to think that
I have a choice.
> So...shut your fucking holes until you know what you are talking
> about. Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls
> kicked.
Ta ta, time for you to go get fitted for your brownshirt and
jackboots. Have fun being an unwitting tool of your betters.
whd
--
Right. We should stop using the term "anti-semites" on the grounds it
was invented by Jew haters so their opinions could look like an
ideology instead of a pathology.
Joseph Hertzlinger
William Daffer
> "Patrick Keenan" <pkee...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:WNZu8.9182$132.1...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>
>>
>> "Deaths Head" <de...@killthejews.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns91F2C220B3D5...@212.159.13.1...
>>> <flame on>
>>> Michael Ragland
>>> Gord McFee
>>> William Daffer
>>> David Gehrig
>>> Phillip Matthews
>>> Jeffrey G Brown
>>> Jason James
>>> Patrick Keenan
>>> Orac
>>>
>>> You are a load of narrow minded losers. Wake up and smell the
>>> coffee!
>>> Just because you don't agree with what we have to say doesn't mean we
>>> are wrong. You are the toilet paper us aryans wipe our asses on.
>>
>> But of course, you haven't actually said much of anythign at all.
>> You made assertions, and ran from backing them up. Is that an Aryan
>> trait?
>>
>>
>> Again: What parts of the Leuchter report are 'still valid'?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Fuck you all...I'd quite happily supply you with my home address
>>> etc
>>> but I don't think you'd turn up to your own funerals...you aren't
>>> THAT stupid, surely.
>>>
>>> So...shut your fucking holes until you know what you are talking
>>> about. Stay off alt.revisionism before you get your fucking skulls
>>> kicked.
>>
>> By someone afraid to sign their name. Right.
>>
>> -pk
>>
>>>
>>> </flame off>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Deaths Head
>>> <Proud to be white, proud to be right>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> afraid? I think not. What bearing does it have?
It has to do with your manliness and sincerity.
> a) if you turned up at my
> house you'd be killed stone dead and b) i'd poke your eye out and
> skullfuck you first.
Violent little schmuck, aren't you?
> :)
Oh!, like that's going to make it go away.
> I don't have to prove anything,
Well, I think we all understand that you couldn't prove anything
even if you wanted to try.
> real posters to this ng discuss what
> really happened with the holohoax - you are only there to cause trouble.
Yes, the truth often troubles whiny little white-power-ranger
schmucks like you.
> Pucker up asswipe, we don't need your filthy kind around
> here. Fucking jew loving scum.
Not that Holocaust revisionism and anti-semitism aren't related,
right?
whd
--
Kurt gives us his view of history:
No the holocaust is not about history it is about a Ukrainian
Sausage.
Gord McFee
He'll never admit it.
ROTFL!
--
Gord McFee
Gord McFee
William Daffer wrote:
>
> Deaths Head <de...@killthejews.com> writes:
>
> > <flame on>
> > Michael Ragland
> > Gord McFee
> > William Daffer
>
> Hey! I made it! I pissed off another pimply little naziod shit-for-brains!
Why did I come second? I've hardly said a word to the gutless little
asshole.
Oops.
--
Gord McFee
William Daffer
*Oops* indeed.
You're in for it now!
It will probably spit and hiss at you in a most worrisome manner,
causing you, no doubt, about 1 minute of lost sleep.
whd
--
Death's Head, on rational discussion:
I don't have to prove anything, real posters to this ng discuss what
really happened with the holohoax - you are only there to cause trouble.
Gord McFee
>
> Gord McFee <gord....@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
> > William Daffer wrote:
> >>
> >> Deaths Head <de...@killthejews.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > <flame on>
> >> > Michael Ragland
> >> > Gord McFee
> >> > William Daffer
> >>
> >> Hey! I made it! I pissed off another pimply little naziod shit-for-brains!
> >
> > Why did I come second? I've hardly said a word to the gutless little
> > asshole.
> >
> > Oops.
>
> *Oops* indeed.
>
> You're in for it now!
Yeah, I'm a demon for punishment.
> It will probably spit and hiss at you in a most worrisome manner,
> causing you, no doubt, about 1 minute of lost sleep.
Give or take a minute.
--
Gord McFee
GassenBurnham
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>From: John Morris John....@UAlberta.CA
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, alt.flame.niggers
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>In <vH4v8.380066$2J2.16...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> in
>alt.revisionism, on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:00:59 GMT, "Ţat"
><tavishis...@blakely.harrogate.net> wrote:
>
>> There goes Morris again, always one the scene to defend known child
>> stalkers and people who train young children to be sexual dommes.
>
>> John Morris clearly supports this type of behavior.
>
>Clearly, you are behaving exactly as I said you would when someone
>stands up to our diseased behavior: you start hurling the same
>accusations you hurl at everybody.
>
>The only problem with stalking me is that I'm not not afraid of
>creepy little freaks like you.
>
>- --
> John Morris
ROTFL.... Jack is a toothless tiger, he can't bite, but he gives a darn good
suck...eh Gourd?
"If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job is
to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the most
good" A. S. Lees
John Morris
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In <m3g01tl...@wabcmail.com> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 18 Apr
2002 02:11:17 GMT, William Daffer <whda...@wabcmail.com> wrote:
> Gord McFee <gord....@sympatico.ca> writes:
> > William Daffer wrote:
> >> Deaths Head <de...@killthejews.com> writes:
> >> > <flame on>
> >> > Michael Ragland
> >> > Gord McFee
> >> > William Daffer
> >> Hey! I made it! I pissed off another pimply little naziod
> >> shit-for-brains!
> > Why did I come second? I've hardly said a word to the gutless
> > little asshole.
> > Oops.
> *Oops* indeed.
> You're in for it now!
> It will probably spit and hiss at you in a most worrisome manner,
> causing you, no doubt, about 1 minute of lost sleep.
It might be more than a minute if you couldn't get your giggling
under control.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Jeffrey G. Brown
wrote:
> Deaths Head <de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> writes:
> [...deletia...]
> > a) if you turned up at my
> > house you'd be killed stone dead and b) i'd poke your eye out and
> > skullfuck you first.
>
> Violent little schmuck, aren't you?
No, it *dreams* of being a "violent little schmuck" -- but it lacks the guts to
make good on a single one of its imbecilic threats.
JGB
Deaths Head
Jeffrey G. Brown
"Deaths Head" wrote:
> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-31...@news.alt.net:
>
> > In article <Xns91F3E10607F4...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous
> > coward "Deaths Head" wrote:
> >
> >> So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway?
> >
> > Simple. You're too gutless to sign your name to your threats.
> >
> > That's why there is no reason to believe that you'll ever carry them
> > out.
> >
> > JGB
> >
>
> LOL!
Laughing is all you'll ever do, little coward. Your threats are worthless.
JGB
reekard
"DeadHead" <de...@nospam.neverlandsystems.com> wrote in message
news:Xns91F4ADD3A101...@212.159.13.1...
> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-31...@news.alt.net:
>
> > In article <Xns91F3E10607F4...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous
> >
> >> So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway?
> >
> > Simple. You're too gutless to sign your name to your threats.
> >
> > That's why there is no reason to believe that you'll ever carry them
> > out.
> >
> > JGB
> >
>
> LOL!
>
> --
> <When you see me, you'll know me>
If you stay upwind, he'll smell you long before he sees you. I have SO
much respect for keyboard warriors.
Deaths Head
My first post to this ng was during my first view of this ng. I wasn't
aware of its existence but I knew of 'revisionism'. I have read over the
years about both sides of the story and yes I have a grandfather that was
in the SS.
My _personal_ opinion is that the holocaust is a lie. I just can't
believe that something such as that went on. The evidence presented by
Leuchter and his kind -though you will deny it- makes a lot of scientific
sense. Those that have debunked him _I believe_ are in the pay of the
zionist governments to keep the belief in the biggest of lies.
I didn't come on here to talk about my opinion though...I was just
defending the original poster when you all jumped on him and proclaimed
him as 'stupid' etc. That just wasn't fair. Everyone is entitled to an
opinion and frankly it is obvious that Mr. Wightman hadn't done his
research. And he was wrong to jump straight in there presenting opinion
as fact. I was trying to play devil's advocate...but you all started with
the 'popular opinion' responses and it reminded me what makes me sick
about the world at large.
I don't want _my opinion_ questioned because I'm entitled to it and am
happy finding _my own way_ and _my own evidence_.
As I've said before on another ng, to refute your claims of lacking
intelligence: I am well above average IQ (not that IQ is proof of
intelligence), am in a highly skilled intellectual industry and have been
for many years, I have two books published and tour the world lecturing
on the subject matter. Does that equal lack of intelligence? Of course it
doesn't.
As for being an <label>anti-semite</label> yeah you're right, I am. I'm
also anti-christian, anti-catholic, anti-muslim...pretty much anti-
religion in fact. There is no one worse than the christians in _my
opinion_ but the whinging jews come close...and _if_ they have lied about
the holocaust then that makes them worse.
No doubt replies to this post will be filled with derision and claims of
stupidity (again) but _whatever_. I have been able to rise above the
abuse when you question my integrity and my intelligence. Hopefully you
will show _your_ intelligence by being so kind as to return the favour.
--
Deaths Head
Deaths Head
Bring it on motherfucker! Give me your address, I'll be around quick as a
flash. Then we'll see who is a coward while you are bleeding from every
orifice.
I'm gonna rape your wife in her bleeding anus while holding a shotgun to
your head you gutless shitstreak cum guzzling motherfucker - test me,
please.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-FC...@news.alt.net:
>> In article <Xns91F4ADD3A101...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous
>> coward "Deaths Head" wrote:
>>> "Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffrey...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:jeffrey_g_br0wn-31...@news.alt.net:
>>> > In article <Xns91F3E10607F4...@212.159.13.1>, anonymous
>>> > coward "Deaths Head" wrote:
>>> >> So whats with the 'coward' shit anyway?
>>> > Simple. You're too gutless to sign your name to your threats.
>>> > That's why there is no reason to believe that you'll ever carry
>>> > them out.
>>> >
>>> > JGB
>>> LOL!
>> Laughing is all you'll ever do, little coward. Your threats are
>> worthless.
>>
>> JGB
>Bring it on motherfucker! Give me your address, I'll be around quick as a
>flash. Then we'll see who is a coward while you are bleeding from every
>orifice.
This is a sign of your indubitable intelligence, right?
>I'm gonna rape your wife in her bleeding anus while holding a shotgun to
>your head you gutless shitstreak cum guzzling motherfucker - test me,
>please.
*yawn* Another Mighty Whitey Powerless Ranger who wouldn't be caught dead
using his real name to post the crap he dribbles into this newsgroup, while
some of us use nothing but real names and don't bow to impotent wanna-be
thugs like you.
>Deaths Head
><When you see me, you'll know me>
Yeah, you're the little boy fleeing in terror from anyone who's not just like
him.
With your act, your life expectancy would be measured in minutes, in the town
I'm a native of -- and seconds, where I'm living.
Thanks for the laugh, anonymous coward.
--PLH, P.T. Barnum was right, apparently