Mark, I notice you've been very quiet since the Usama "I love murdering
innocents for Allah" bin Laden was captured on tape admitting to his
dastardly deeds. Is it all still a Bush fabrication?
RDT
--
"We shall not tire, we shall not falter, and we shall not fail"
---President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001
> Mark Jetmir... psych ward paging... Mark Jetmir...
>
>
> Mark, I notice you've been very quiet since the Usama "I love murdering
> innocents for Allah" bin Laden was captured on tape admitting to his
> dastardly deeds. Is it all still a Bush fabrication?
>
> RDT
It's usually safe to assume that a person's past actions are indicative of
what his future ones are likely to be. "Bush" & "fabrication" are
therefore redundant.
I have a close friend who was an US Army intelligence officer during the
Gulf "War", & is fluent in Arabic. When I get her to translate what the
tape REALLY says, I'll make my decision on it. Until then, it has as much
credibility as Karl Rove's nonsense about the threat to Air Force One on
September 11.
Chris, foreign devil
--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD
Durham, NC
cmoor...@attglobal.net
When an alien resides with you in your land,
you shall not oppress the alien.
The alien who resides with you shall be to you
as the citizen among you....
~ Leviticus 19: 33-34, apparently never read by John Ashcroft
> Mark Jetmir... psych ward paging... Mark Jetmir...
>
>
> Mark, I notice you've been very quiet since the Usama "I love murdering
> innocents for Allah" bin Laden was captured on tape admitting to his
> dastardly deeds. Is it all still a Bush fabrication?
>
> RDT
1) 360 + billion dollars towards greater phalli development for the US has
made me ill, thus, more quiet. So many opportunities to focus on the stars,
yet pigs such as Bush remain fixated on dicking others for the sake of
greed, like his buddies at Enron.
oO(great, space weapons...now all we need are reasons to use them)
Mark my words, this course shall come back to haunt those like Bush.
2) The Bush administration said the tape was the "smoking gun" before it was
released to the public, yet no such admission was made. No one doubted his
involvement, the tape; a) was not translated verbateum. b) no mention that
HE planned it, such as; "Just as I planned" or ANY words to that effect.
c) that he claimed prior knowledge of the attack and laughed at those killed
though sick and a true lack of compassion...is not "...admitting to his
dastardly deeds."
oO(hicks...thou not to swift; quick to judge, quicker to kill)
...case in point; thou I find dickless g.w.b to be sick and have little
compassion, I cannot pass judgement that he planned out the 9-11 attacks.
Is such a thing above those like dickless g.w.b. ? Not according to
"Northwoods" de-classified documents, but personally; I don't think he's
that smart.
3) As I said before; as I do know U.S. military capability; ANY target can
be reached and affected. Like so MANY other times past; the U.S. postures an
"evil" did us wrong as an excuse to further it's undisclosed agenda.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, probably also thinks in agreement with you
Ralph.
oO(sadly; many...thus the sick cycle)
4) a) BL and Omar walk (as usual)...b) according to my sources (mostly
voices in my head and dreams); a truely real global surprise is on the way,
much to my delight.
"We shall not tire (of what?), we shall not falter (already have), and we
shall not fail (*smiles*)"
---President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001
...good luck to ya Ralph, later days folks.
*tunes for song*
--mark
mir...@mindspring.com
> It's usually safe to assume that a person's past actions are indicative
> of what his future ones are likely to be.
Gee, that's not very liberal of you, Chris. Not that I disagree, but then,
I ain't no liberal.
--
--Robert
I contain over ten minutes of previously unseen material.
> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
> news:Xns91789DA27AE8...@32.97.166.128:
>
>> It's usually safe to assume that a person's past actions are
>> indicative of what his future ones are likely to be.
>
> Gee, that's not very liberal of you, Chris. Not that I disagree, but
> then, I ain't no liberal.
I'm not sure I'd class myself as one, either -- however, to certain
participants on this NG, anyone to the left of Mussolini is not only a
liberal, but a Marxist. And a traitor as well.
Chris, foreign devil
--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD
Durham, NC
cmoor...@attglobal.net
"I think it would be a good idea."
~ Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948), on Western civilization
> I'm not sure I'd class myself as one, either -- however, to certain
> participants on this NG, anyone to the left of Mussolini is not only a
> liberal, but a Marxist. And a traitor as well.
>
Yeah, well, I'm not one of them, so painting me as that is crap on your
part.
Frankly, lefties are the worst sinners on the "I'm normal, everybody other
is some extremist" front. If I'd grown up in a different time, that might
have been untrue, but in this time...hey, Chris, put up a Sports
Illustrated calendar in your cube or office or whatever. See how long it
lasts. Note how many of the complaintants have beefcake pics of Russell
Crowe in *their* space.
Then get back to me.
> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9178A8FEBB08...@32.97.166.128:
>
>> I'm not sure I'd class myself as one, either -- however, to certain
>> participants on this NG, anyone to the left of Mussolini is not only
>> a liberal, but a Marxist. And a traitor as well.
>>
>
> Yeah, well, I'm not one of them, so painting me as that is crap on
> your part.
I never said you were, Robert. It wasn't you I was referring to.
> Frankly, lefties are the worst sinners on the "I'm normal, everybody
> other is some extremist" front. If I'd grown up in a different time,
> that might have been untrue, but in this time...hey, Chris, put up a
> Sports Illustrated calendar in your cube or office or whatever. See
> how long it lasts. Note how many of the complaintants have beefcake
> pics of Russell Crowe in *their* space.
>
> Then get back to me.
My tolerance for the organized Left isn't much greater than yours. For the
most part, the granola-head crowd annoys me even more than the ultra-
conservatives.
You're not saying anything here that I disagree with.
National defense makes you ill?
> yet pigs such as Bush remain fixated on dicking others for the sake of
> greed, like his buddies at Enron.
> oO(great, space weapons...now all we need are reasons to use them)
> Mark my words, this course shall come back to haunt those like Bush.
Ignoring the threats of the world will come back to haunt those like you.
>
> 2) The Bush administration said the tape was the "smoking gun" before it
was
> released to the public, yet no such admission was made. No one doubted his
> involvement, the tape; a) was not translated verbateum. b) no mention that
> HE planned it, such as; "Just as I planned" or ANY words to that effect.
> c) that he claimed prior knowledge of the attack and laughed at those
killed
> though sick and a true lack of compassion...is not "...admitting to his
> dastardly deeds."
> oO(hicks...thou not to swift; quick to judge, quicker to kill)
> ...case in point; thou I find dickless g.w.b to be sick and have little
> compassion, I cannot pass judgement that he planned out the 9-11 attacks.
> Is such a thing above those like dickless g.w.b. ? Not according to
> "Northwoods" de-classified documents, but personally; I don't think he's
> that smart.
This isn't even coherent.
>
> 3) As I said before; as I do know U.S. military capability; ANY target can
> be reached and affected. Like so MANY other times past; the U.S. postures
an
> "evil" did us wrong as an excuse to further it's undisclosed agenda.
> Anyone who thinks otherwise, probably also thinks in agreement with you
> Ralph.
> oO(sadly; many...thus the sick cycle)
Self defense is sick in your world?
>
> 4) a) BL and Omar walk (as usual)...b) according to my sources (mostly
They won't walk far.
> voices in my head and dreams); a truely real global surprise is on the
way,
Finally, honesty! Voices in your head? Explains much.
> much to my delight.
>
What "surprise"? This revolution of the proletariat you prattle about?
JCS
I don't think that either side is any better or worse than
the other. Extreme leftists can be really bad about this --
then again, so can extremely conservative Christians (witness
Pat Robertson's initial public response to the 9/11 attacks).
If I've realized anything in the last year or two, it is
that labels like "liberal" or "conservative" are so malleable
as to be utterly meaningless. That and the rather obvious
fact that truly reasonable people are going to pick the
ideas that make sense (whether they come from the left or
the right) and stick with them.
And leave the idiots to argue "left" vs. "right"...
--
Russell Stewart | E-Mail: check my web page
UNM Physics Department | WWW: http://www.swcp.com/~diamond
alt.atheism #343
"Scientists, being held responsible for what they say,
haven't found post-modernism very useful."
--E.O. Wilson
There are probably thousands if not tens of thousands of people
in the world who are fluent in both English and Arabic; I kinda doubt that
if the Bush Admin wanted to frame Bin Laden in would use a bad translation.
Such a ploy would be immediately challenged by people other than your friend.
Those Arabic speakers internationally who object to the tape aren't doing so
on the basis of the translation not matching the dialogue; they claim that
the whole thing is an insidious fabrication, some sort of amalgam of stock
video, CGI, and voiceover. (Which seems pretty ridiculous on the face
of it, because such a mix would be easily detected as well.)
----------------------------------------------------------------
John McCoy jmc...@bu.edu http://mccoy.pair.com
I happen to believe that the tape is authentic; there are too many
indications apparently pointing that direction in any case. My problem
is that in addition to bombing the fuck out of the people directly
responsible for this, America needs to take a serious look at the
policies it have that have led people to be this desperate.
This isn't saying that "you asked for it by wearing that 2 inch red
mini," but more "what they did was wrong and they should and will be
punished for it, and you really should have known that you were in a
dangerous part of town." While there are situations where people who
are completely innocent are targeted or simply caught in the
crossfire, that doesn't excuse us from looking at what happened to see
where we went wrong in the first place.
> Those Arabic speakers internationally who object to the tape aren't
> doing so on the basis of the translation not matching the dialogue;
> they claim that the whole thing is an insidious fabrication, some
> sort of amalgam of stock video, CGI, and voiceover. (Which seems
> pretty ridiculous on the face of it, because such a mix would be
> easily detected as well.)
Says you -- we NEVER went to the moon, you know. They simply used a
really cool Hollywood sound stage to make it seem like we were doing
so. They were able to spend billions of dollars on secret government
programs instead.
-austin
Apparently "where we went wrong" was defending Muslims. We *defended*
Muslims in Bosnia and we *defended* a fundamentalist country (Saudi Arabia)
from a secular
one (Iraq). These people's "reasons" make no sense. One of bin Laden's
other complaints
was the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Is that *our* fault?
>
> > Those Arabic speakers internationally who object to the tape aren't
> > doing so on the basis of the translation not matching the dialogue;
> > they claim that the whole thing is an insidious fabrication, some
> > sort of amalgam of stock video, CGI, and voiceover. (Which seems
> > pretty ridiculous on the face of it, because such a mix would be
> > easily detected as well.)
>
> Says you -- we NEVER went to the moon, you know. They simply used a
> really cool Hollywood sound stage to make it seem like we were doing
> so. They were able to spend billions of dollars on secret government
> programs instead.
I trust you're going for humor?
JCS
That's what I thought, too, until I noticed the Moon Buggy parked in the
background.
dave
--
David Mooney | "My orders are to sit here
pez at vex dot net | and watch the world go by."
> Robert Lee <rober...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9178899E48CEEro...@207.217.77.23:
>
>> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
>> From: Robert Lee <rober...@earthlink.net>
>> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
>>
>> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
>> news:Xns91789DA27AE8...@32.97.166.128:
>>
>>> I have a close friend who was an US Army intelligence officer during
>>> the Gulf "War", & is fluent in Arabic. When I get her to translate
>>> what the tape REALLY says, I'll make my decision on it.
>>
>> I'm sure your "close friend" is an expert in Arabic...blah, blah,
>> blah.
>
> I apologize, Chris. When I posted this last night, I was blind,
> stinking drunk. This is rather humiliating to admit, as I am simply
> not supposed to be drinking at all, at this point in my life, but
> there it is.
>
> I can't figure out where the hell this idiotic tirade came from,
> besides the obvious, out of my ass. Certainly, nothing you said here
> yesterday could have prompted it in any way.
>
> Again, I am sorry.
Apology accepted, Robert. I've certainly posted things I've regretted
before (actually, I do so more than I'd like to admit) -- fortunately for
me & everyone else on this NG, I now reside in a place where it is
impossible to go anywhere without driving, & I'm therefore less prone to
post while intoxicated than I was when I lived in Toronto & could walk to
the local watering hole.
FWIW, I enjoy reading your posts (even the one for which you're
apologizing), & I'm glad you returned after your long absence. I hope we
both figure out what to do with our lives soon!
One favor I would ask -- in the future, PLEASE don't put any more links to
Ann "Thrax" Coulter columns in your posts. I clicked on it by accident &
almost lost my dinner as a result.
Chris, foreign devil
--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD
Durham, NC
cmoor...@attglobal.net
"No more Iggy. Might be dangerous."
~ Lydia Ruth Moorehead, age 2, commenting on Daddy's taste in music
> One favor I would ask -- in the future, PLEASE don't put any more links
> to Ann "Thrax" Coulter columns in your posts. I clicked on it by
> accident & almost lost my dinner as a result.
I'm just hoping I won't get email from Coulter. I did from Rall, letting me
know that he'd "forwarded my threat to the proper authorities." What an
ass. I'm still wondering who the "proper authorities" are in regard to
imprecatory prayers to Santa Claus.
> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9179DAA7046B...@32.97.166.128:
>
>> One favor I would ask -- in the future, PLEASE don't put any more
>> links to Ann "Thrax" Coulter columns in your posts. I clicked on it
>> by accident & almost lost my dinner as a result.
>
> I'm just hoping I won't get email from Coulter. I did from Rall,
> letting me know that he'd "forwarded my threat to the proper
> authorities." What an ass. I'm still wondering who the "proper
> authorities" are in regard to imprecatory prayers to Santa Claus.
Elves?
Did you copy Rall on your post -- or is he so paranoid/self-absorbed that
he does searches on his own name? If it was the post I remember, it could
hardly be described as a "threat".
Some people REALLY have no sense of humor.
Some people will do just about anything to eliminate their
detractors. I once got a threatening e-mail from the legal
department of Prison Ministries. Why? Because I had taken
a few pages of tracts from Chuck "Jesus is my new excuse to
piss on the Constitution" Colson and responded to his (ahem)
arguments. They claimed copyright violation, I pointed out that
no profits were being made, full credit (including hyperlinks)
was given where due, and AFAIK quoting someone does not
constitute copyright violation.
It's been over two years now, the pages are still up, and
I haven't heard a word from Colson's thugs again.
> What an
> ass. I'm still wondering who the "proper authorities" are in regard to
> imprecatory prayers to Santa Claus.
Well, magic dust is involved, so I'm guessing the DEA.
--
Russell Stewart | E-Mail: check my web page
UNM Physics Department | WWW: http://www.swcp.com/~diamond
alt.atheism #343
"If knowledge is dangerous, the solution cannot
be ignorance. The solution has to be wisdom."
--Isaac Asimov
> Did you copy Rall on your post -- or is he so paranoid/self-absorbed
> that he does searches on his own name?
I have to think it's the latter. Or maybe he has elves reading Usenet for
him.
> Some people REALLY have no sense of humor.
Yep. The weird thing is, he ended up calling me a "stalker." Hey, I just
made a comment about a public figure, dude. I'm not the guy who tracked me
down to rant at me.
OK, who are you and what have you done with Robert?
> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
> news:Xns917A12A13FAD...@32.97.166.128:
>
>> Did you copy Rall on your post -- or is he so paranoid/self-absorbed
>> that he does searches on his own name?
>
> I have to think it's the latter. Or maybe he has elves reading Usenet
> for him.
>
>> Some people REALLY have no sense of humor.
>
> Yep. The weird thing is, he ended up calling me a "stalker." Hey, I
> just made a comment about a public figure, dude. I'm not the guy who
> tracked me down to rant at me.
I was always under the impression that genuine iconoclasts took pride in
the number of death threats received (real ones, rather than the obviously
facetious type that you posted). I guess Mr Rall is really a conformist at
heart.
Well, there's always Tom Tomorrow & Aaron McGruder...
> I was always under the impression that genuine iconoclasts took pride
> in the number of death threats received (real ones, rather than the
> obviously facetious type that you posted). I guess Mr Rall is really a
> conformist at heart.
>
Chris, the guy's supposed to be some kind of Marxist, and he's currently
suing somebody for a bunch of money because the guy made fun of him after
Rall claimed in an interview that Art Spiegelman was the Pope of Comics or
some stupid shit like that.
Most of the really good alternative comics artists have worked on benefit
stuff for the guy Rall's suing.
That's about how seriously you need to take the man.
>Did you copy Rall on your post -- or is he so paranoid/self-absorbed that
>he does searches on his own name? If it was the post I remember, it could
>hardly be described as a "threat".
>
>Some people REALLY have no sense of humor.
For further proof of this:
http://www.sper-anza.com/freedirtydanny/
Jim
> I'm just hoping I won't get email from Coulter. I did from Rall, letting me
> know that he'd "forwarded my threat to the proper authorities." What an
> ass. I'm still wondering who the "proper authorities" are in regard to
> imprecatory prayers to Santa Claus.
Here's MY Ted Rall email, in response to a picture I posted to The
Comics Journal message board, which combined the publicity photo from
Rall's site with a cartoon from Danny Hellman's site. (Hellman is the
defendant in Rall's $1.5 million libel suit.) I pasted Ted's face over
the faces of the two characters in Danny's cartoon.
http://www.dannyhellman.com/imgs/amgothic.gif
http://www.rall.com/pr-photo.jpg
Ted sent the following email a couple of weeks after I posted the
picture. In response I removed the picture but
ignored his other demands. It's been over a year since he sent this,
and I'm still waiting for my lawsuit.
(The URL he gives in the email is incorrect. It's supposed to be of
the thread where I posted the picture. I don't remember the URL of the
thread, and by now it's probably been deleted.)
From: Ted...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 06:51:29 EDT
Subject: Cease and Desist
To: rlri...@yahoo.com
CC: ki...@fantagraphics.com, p...@kgllaw.com
Dear Mr. Hartley:
You have violated my copyright by posting a
copyrighted photograph retrieved from my website at:
http://www.tcj.com/messboard/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=email&ToWhom=Tom+Hartley
As you know, I agreed to defer legal action earlier in
light of your now obviously insincere retraction and
apology for illegally impersonating me.
This latest illegal act follows your already admitted
impersonation of me on the same board, which indicates
that you are engaged in a campaign of personal
harrassment. Therefore, I expect you to do the
following things ON OR BEFORE MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2000
AT 5:00 PM EAST COAST TIME:
(1) Remove this above-described image from the Comics
Journal site.
(2) Post an apology and retraction under the
"Announcements" section for this infraction.
(3) Agree to never post to the Comics Journal or
Comicon websites, or comics-related Usenet discussion
groups under your own name or any other pseudonym in
perpetuity concerning any subject whatsoever.
(4) Agree to never mention or cause to be mentioned my
name in any public forum again in perpetuity.
(5) I will expect you to sign an agreement to be
drafted at your expense agreeing to the above.
Failure to immediately comply with this notice will
result in legal action.
I look forward to your prompt response.
Very truly yours,
Ted Rall
"I've always had the philosophy," Rall says, "that if someone fucks with
you, you fuck with them back 10 times harder."
....so how does this clown earn drawing? @ compinsation for assault on both
arts.
--mark
mir...@mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
> From: jimtr...@aol.com (Jimtreacher)
> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
I think my favorite part of the whole story is that Rall's primary claim
to having been harmed professionally comes down his having been pitching
a sitcom in Hollywood when the hoax happened. The pitch did not go well,
obviously, since none of us has seen the Ted Rall version of "Dave's
World," yet--Rall blames this on his distress over Hellman's "attacks."
I guess we just assume that this was a *progressive* (or even Marxist?)
sitcom Rall was pitching.
> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
> From: ta...@panix.com ("RDT")
> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
>
> In article <Xns9179B59C81A68ro...@207.217.77.23>,
> Robert Lee <rober...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Again, I am sorry.
>
> OK, who are you and what have you done with Robert?
I guess this is Robert Who Doesn't Want to Have a Heart Attack or Embolism
Before He's Forty, or something.
> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
> From: Robert Lee <rober...@earthlink.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
>
> Chris Moorehead <cmoor...@attglobal.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9179DAA7046B...@32.97.166.128:
>
>> One favor I would ask -- in the future, PLEASE don't put any more
>> links to Ann "Thrax" Coulter columns in your posts. I clicked on it
>> by accident & almost lost my dinner as a result.
>
> I'm just hoping I won't get email from Coulter. I did from Rall,
> letting me know that he'd "forwarded my threat to the proper
> authorities."
Oh, BTW, I also said in that post that Rall once "spammed" this group. I
think I mixed him up with Matt Drudge, also busy establishing an online
presence in this group (among others) at the time.
I was incorrect in that, having gone and reread old posts at Google. The
mixup is understandable from context, though: Rall pissed a bunch of
people off here by...basically starting the "a-list" argument again,
after some of us yelled at a newbie for yelling at John Scalzi. (Scalzi
had just started a high-profile editorial job where he was in a position
to help some of us, who were freelancing then, out. He said so in a post
to ASG-X, and some kid yelled at him for spamming for his employer. Rall
said we were a bunch of meanies for that, several of us answered back,
and that was about the last anybody heard of Rall in these parts.)
Let me reiterate, though: Ted Rall never "spammed" ASG-X. That was a
misremembrance on my part.
(Looking over shoulder...)
-Holly
> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
> From: Holly Sommer <som...@mugs.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
>
> Was that the thread which contained the "nerds on parade" or somesuch
> ref?
I have no idea, Holly.
All I know is that before I stopped responding to Rall, he also called me a
bad father, a "loser" and (I am not kidding, here) a "fascist."
...and people wonder why I distrust notable media leftists, so.
> All I know is that before I stopped responding to Rall, he also called
> me a bad father, a "loser" and (I am not kidding, here) a "fascist."
BTW, in the last day or so, via email, not years ago in some forgotten ASG-
X thread.
> Subject: Re: Where O Where Did That Little Man Go?
> From: betty...@yahoo.com (Tom Hartley)
> Newsgroups: alt.society.generation-x
>
> Robert Lee <rober...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:
>
>> I'm just hoping I won't get email from Coulter. I did from Rall,
>> letting me know that he'd "forwarded my threat to the proper
>> authorities." What an ass. I'm still wondering who the "proper
>> authorities" are in regard to imprecatory prayers to Santa Claus.
>
> Here's MY Ted Rall email, in response to a picture I posted to The
> Comics Journal message board, which combined the publicity photo from
> Rall's site with a cartoon from Danny Hellman's site. (Hellman is the
> defendant in Rall's $1.5 million libel suit.) I pasted Ted's face over
> the faces of the two characters in Danny's cartoon.
Boy, do I love Communists. They always turn out to be the biggest fucking
Christians in the universe.
--
--Robert
The United States of America has just succeeded in bombing a country back
out of the Stone Age.
--Chris Hitchens