Unanswered Summons Against Atheists & Skeptics (and similarly brainwashed goyim)...
XPERT_ASTRON0MER
& STILL NO ONE has satisfactorily answered my summons as
it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
facts in evidence as I've done; to wit devoid of hearsay.
Those attempting otherwise are considered trolls...plonk!
Be aware, I can deactivate my scoring to check up on you
from time to time, so even the trolls are given a chance
to redress charges I've brought against orthodox science.
I've issued this perfectly fair and reasonable challenge
to you skeptics for over two years now, and yet, to date,
not even one of you has accepted my invitation to settle
this centuries-old debate once & for all for all to read.
Are you able to answer my summons? Then you must prove it.
I've already proven my side of the debate with pure logic
based solely on facts in evidence--no hearsay did I offer.
Now it's up to the very best of you to prove your side of
the debate. If you're not best in the world, don't bother.
This challenge is for the grand prize, so winner take all,
and loser must admit defeat and stop your whining. Got it?
NOW for the challenge: How did ancient astrologers number
the heavenly spheres--the planets--expressly according to
their sidereal but not synodic order, and yet, supposedly,
not know that the planets orbit the Sun and not the Earth?
Sounds simple, doesn't it? But if it's so easy, answer it!
And while you're struggling with that quandary, show your
readers how the Earth is supposedly not the center of her
caelestial sphere? Now you can run away or face the music.
If you choose the latter and face my challenge reasonably,
logically, rationally, conclusively, and incontrovertibly,
then I swear before the God of Heaven & Earth that I, Dan
Min, full name Daniel Joseph Min, abiding in Colorado USA,
I shall henceforth cease and desist from posting any more
articles to the usenet--without exception. I'll disappear
from the face of the Earth as far as your usenet world is
concerned. No more aliases or remailers. I am outta here!
Conversely, if you fail to meet my challenge, then every
one of you skeptics can kiss my rosey white ass, & cease
and desist from your pissing & whining & moaning against
my usenet presence. Sure, I could killfile every one who
shows his or her self to be an inept detractor, naysayer,
and otherwise unhelpful troll with your many sockpuppets,
most of whom I've long-since killfiled beyond subversion.
See also my "Sidereal Planets of the Week" Challenge for
those of you who think you are smart enough to refute it.
But this is my final offer. If you give up now, you lose,
and I shall forevermore post where and when I like while
you recede into the annals of inadequacy and inferiority
so the usenet world will know once and for all who's who
and what's what--and no lame-assed excuses will save you!
Meanwhile, I've got plenty of articles to write and post
to my favorite newsgroups. Is there not a man among you?
You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? Prove it!
Daniel Joseph Min
PS just to help you poor skeptics and atheists out, here
are astro-charts that I've posted often, proving my case
and invalidating your "age of enlightenment" permanently.
If you don't answer this summons, rest assured I'll post
it again and again and again, all over the usenet, until
such time as someone among you stands up to my challenge:
This first chart summarizes synodic & sidereal
periods of the planets in mean solar days, and
mean tropical years, to measure sidereal years.
This is especially important, since this shows
how the order of the heavens is established by
sidereal--not synodic--periods of the heavens:
PLANET ORBITS/SACRE GLOMES
S# Pla Synod Sider./TropY
*10 Plu 366.7 90800. 247.9
*9 Nep 367.5 60190. 164.8
*8 Ura 369.7 30685. 84.02
7 Sat 378.1 10760. 29.45
6 Jup 399.9 4332.2 11.86
5 Mar 780.0 686.98 1.881
4 Sun ----- 365.26 1.000
3 Ven 583.9 224.70 0.615
2 Mer 115.9 87.969 0.241
1 Moo 29.53 27.322 0.075
*NOTE:Ura rules Earth's sidereal year =~ 1.00004
Nep rules Earth's tropical year =~ 1.00000
Plu rules Earth's own geocenter =~ 0.00000.
Cf. the above with this chart dated cir. 440 AD, which
agrees with Greco-Roman authorities dated centuries BC;
that's centuries **BEFORE CHRIST**, you do the math....
COELVM EMPIREVM HABITACVLVM DEI ET OMNIVM ELECTORVM
Heaven Name Place Musa goddess
Tenth Primum Mobile Earth/Pluto Mnemosyne Memory
Ninth Mobile Seasons/Neptune Thalia Comedy
Eighth Caelest.Firma. Stars/Uranus Urania Astronomy
Seventh SATVRNI Saturn Polihymnia Hymnody
Sixth IOVIS Jupiter Euterpe Melody
Fifth MARTIS Mars Eratho Lyric
Fourth SOLIS Sun Melpomene Tragedy
Third VENERIS Venus Terpsicore Dance
Second MERCVRII Mercury Kaliope Epic
First LVNE Moon Klio History
This demonstrates conclusively that ancient astronomers
knew full-well that the planets orbit the Sun, and also
that the Earth is the center of her caelestial firmament.
*Summary Exposition of the Copernican Heresy:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f91cae5ee66a8e54...@dizum.com
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POSTPOSTSCRIPT
You see it's a "catch 22" for orthodox academia.
They want you to think that ancient cultures on
the whole had little or no understanding of the
heliocentric sidereal motions of the planets or
the proper motion of stars, or even the physics
of light. They want you to abandon common sense
and believe that human civilizations are hardly
older than religious fanatics believe the whole
world is...you know, maybe seven thousand years.
You see, orthodox science and religion do share
more in common than they care to admit. Neither
acknowledges antediluvian high-cultures such as
Atlantis, or any technologically advanced civil-
ization prior to our most recent centuries. See?
Basically, they've got three options, which are:
1) Show how the synodic motions of the planets
as observed and tracked against the stellar
backdrop of Earth's caelestial sphere gives
their sidereal periodicities over long-term
astronomical observation and record keeping,
revealing more subtle components of orbital
mechanics, such as orbital eccentricity and
inclination to the Earth-Sun ecliptic plane,
making astronomic predictions more accurate
and reliable as ephemeredes became advanced.
E.g., as the Parthian magoi predicted those
Venus-Jupiter conjunctions 12 Aug 3 BC, and
17 Jun 2 BC, a.k.a. the "Star" of Bethlehem
(1 Elu 3758/16 Tam 3759;JD 1720551/1720860).
That took some serious astronomical ability
and astrological deductions to recognize it.
Among the most adept ancient astronomers as
the Babylonians, Mayans, and other cultures
who are for the most part lost to antiquity,
they developed sophisticated understandings
of planetary ephemeredes and stellar proper
motion, Earth's tropical precession against
her caelestial firmament achieving reliable
predictions of synodic, sidereal & tropical
multiples with a high degree of reliability
and accuracy. The "downside" to all this is
that orthodox science would be admitting to
the world that ancient astronomers from all
walks of life and around the globe were, in
fact, vastly more aware of the solar system
and Earth's caelestial firmament than those
orthodox scientists and fanatics will admit.
So you see this first option is impractical,
requiring honesty which they don't practice.
The orthodox are not experienced in honesty.
They couldn't be truthful if they wanted to.
2) Barring the first option, orthodox academia
can claim that observable synodic motion of
the planets--against the Earth's caelestial
sphere--such planetary motion meant nothing
to ancient astronomers, as they were simply
unable to think for themselves. They had no
capacity for disciplined scientific inquiry.
In a word, the ancients were dumb as a rock,
low-grade morons no smarter than any monkey
swinging in the trees of unexplored jungles.
That's how they built pyramids because they
were so naive. Anybody can see that, right?
They've tried this option before but lately
it isn't working any more, in no small part
due to modern digital communication and the
availability of the internet to common folk.
The wornout lies of the orthodox just don't
hold up under scrutiny the way they used to.
Calling the pyramid builders stupid doesn't
hold water any more. Many of us know better.
The pyramid builders were smarter than most
of us are today. In some ways, much smarter.
Which brings us to the third & final option.
3) Ignore all of the evidence that proves that
ancient astronomers were a lot smarter than
orthodox academia will ever admit--which is
the easiest and most convenient option that
any of them among orthodox science can take.
Ignore all the evidence, and lie like a rug.
Let the record show, that this final option
is the only practical one for those who lie
for a living. Therefore that's what they do.
This final option is the choice of orthodox
scientists and religious fanatics. But soon
they will lie no more. They will be no more.
Happy Holidays!
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's "Sidereal Planets of the Week" Challenge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8K5NN9CG3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1Z5CQM973759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's "Sidereal Planetary Orbits" Challenge:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Q1FG5P2Z3759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Music of the Spheres:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Y8HI27B73759...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Compleat Tarot Pak:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9IBCQ0PN375...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Official Home Page:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UWP3KH4W3756...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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BMcdonald
John Morgan
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Looks like another MIN. Plonk!