Major Dylan Remasters Are Comming!!!!!!!
Richard
SONY MUSIC ANNOUNCES NEW BOB DYLAN SUPER AUDIO CD (SACD) SERIES
January 10, 2003
LAS VEGAS (CES, Booth #N109), Jan. 10, 2003 -- Sony Music
Entertainment (SME) today announced it will be releasing a new series of
classic albums by Columbia Records artist Bob Dylan on hybrid Super Audio CD
(SACD) this Fall. The announcement was made by Jeff Jones, Senior Vice
President, Legacy Recordings during a special SACD reception sponsored by
Sony and Philips at the 2003 Consumer Electronics Show (CES).
The Bob Dylan titles mark the beginning of an ongoing program to
enhance and upgrade the sonic quality and packaging elements of the Dylan
catalog. These 15 titles are also the first Sony Music recordings to be
released on hybrid SACD and will be produced on a new hybrid disc
replication line that is scheduled to be launched in May, 2003 at Sony Disc
Manufacturing's U.S. flagship facility in Terre Haute, Indiana. The 15
titles comprise many iconic titles from Dylan's canon: Free Wheelin';
Another Side of Bob Dylan; Bringing It All Back Home; Highway 61 Revisited;
John Wesley Harding; Nashville Skyline; Blood On The Tracks; Desire; Slow
Train Coming; Infidels; Oh Mercy; Time Out Of Mind; Love and Theft; Royal
Albert Hall and Street Legal.
"The release of these classic Bob Dylan albums on hybrid SACD will
extend the benefits of this exciting format to a much wider audience,"
stated Jeff Jones. "Each of these Dylan titles will be reissued in stereo,
and they will be carefully remastered and reproduced to the highest quality
standards." The entire series of reissues will be remastered by Greg Calbi,
Senior Mastering Engineer at Sterling Sound in New York, whose credits
include John Lennon's Walls and Bridges and Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run
albums.
To date, Sony Music has released approximately 200 SACD titles
including nearly 60 in multichannel surround sound. During the first quarter
of this year, Sony Music will be releasing a variety of other stereo and
multichannel SACD titles including Aerosmith's Toys In The Attic; James
Taylor's Flag and Dad Loves His Work; and a new album by Macy Gray.
Jason Michael
not hybrid is it?
I'd like a remaster I can play in all my CD players.
Jason
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Richard
unique mono mixes. There is room on the SACD layer for both the stereo and
mono versions of all those albums. Is anyone on Bob's team paying any
attention to this? Come on guys, earn you keep and treat Bob's work with the
respect it deserves. This could be the killer SACD release series of all
time if they get it right.
Richrd.
Footy
will I have to get a new player?
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able to enjoy the higher quality sound on these CD's.
http://www.sacd.philips.com/FAQ.html#gq3
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Roger Ford
reissue series on hybrid SACD must have woken Sony up to the
commercial possibilities.
Points to note:
1. No mention of bonus tracks, which of course follows the model of
the Stones remasters. Personally I think there's some sense to this -
the original albums stand much better as works of art without being
diluted with a string of out-takes at the end. And Sony already
released the best Dylan out-takes (up to 1989, anyway)on The Bootleg
Series 1-3.
2. All in stereo - I think this is a big mistake for Freewheelin' and
BIABH.
3. No mention of remixing (a la Blonde On Blonde, though admittedly
they had no choice there). So I'm dubious about how good most of those
60s albums could get, given that they were generally mixed for
vinyl-cutting direct from the mixdown tapes, i.e. compressed, EQ'd for
1960s stereo vinyl.
4. Greg Calbi, mentioned here, did the remastering for the Blonde On
Blonde SACD, but there the remixing by Michael Brauer was really the
major factor.
5. No mention of reissuing Blonde On Blonde as a hybrid disc, but
maybe they'll just slip that in as a re-pressing.
Roger Ford
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wont hear the difference?
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as bonus material, then we know where the real album ends.
Also there are some essential tracks that should've been on particular
albums and it would only be right to have them as bonus tracks.
Sony did this with Simon & Garfunkel and I thought it was fine.
However if Sony go through with this SACD series then its unlikely we're
gonna see the remasters with bonus tracks and liner notes (That Dylan talked
about recently) for a long time coming.
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Richard
"Po' Trev" <Trev.Gibb@(NO spam)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What so if you dont have a SACD player theres no point buyign them cos you
> wont hear the difference?
The Stone's remasters on hybrid SACD disks suggest that you will hear a real
difference on the conventional CD layer. Sony uses DSD technology direct
from the analog master tape and then uses new tools to convert that to 16
bit Red Book for the CD layer. It sounds very good. I expect that they will
be using the very first generation masters. Steve Hoffman has shown just how
good HW61 can sound when it is mastered properly. They got it right on the
remix onto SACD of Blond on Blond.
Richard.
Richard
"Roger Ford" <roge...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> reissue series on hybrid SACD must have woken Sony up to the
> commercial possibilities.
>
> Points to note:
>
> 1. No mention of bonus tracks, which of course follows the model of
> the Stones remasters. Personally I think there's some sense to this -
> the original albums stand much better as works of art without being
> diluted with a string of out-takes at the end. And Sony already
> released the best Dylan out-takes (up to 1989, anyway)on The Bootleg
> Series 1-3.
>
> 2. All in stereo - I think this is a big mistake for Freewheelin' and
> BIABH.
>
> 3. No mention of remixing (a la Blonde On Blonde, though admittedly
> they had no choice there). So I'm dubious about how good most of those
> 60s albums could get, given that they were generally mixed for
> vinyl-cutting direct from the mixdown tapes, i.e. compressed, EQ'd for
> 1960s stereo vinyl.
>
> 4. Greg Calbi, mentioned here, did the remastering for the Blonde On
> Blonde SACD, but there the remixing by Michael Brauer was really the
> major factor.
>
> 5. No mention of reissuing Blonde On Blonde as a hybrid disc, but
> maybe they'll just slip that in as a re-pressing.
>
> Roger Ford
Roger; we must lobby for the inclusion of the mono mixes through Blond on
Blond immediately or Sony Music will blow the greatest opportunity to
present SACD as the killer application. We need both the Stereo and Mono
mixes. If there were ever a reason to purchase an SACD player that would be
it for every true lover of Bob's music.
Richard.
Chris
> wont hear the difference?
The Rolling Stones just reissued their Abkco albums on SACD hybrids
and I only have a regular CD player but the remasters sound absolutely
incredible. These are probably the best remasters I own, regardless
of the fact that I can't even play the SACD portion of the album.
This is a good thing whether or not you have a SACD player. Not sure
if there'll be much of a difference for recent albums, though.
Outfidel
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>
> enhance and upgrade the sonic quality and packaging elements of the Dylan
> catalog. These 15 titles are also the first Sony Music recordings to be
> released on hybrid SACD and will be produced on a new hybrid disc
> replication line that is scheduled to be launched in May, 2003 at Sony
Disc
> Manufacturing's U.S. flagship facility in Terre Haute, Indiana. The 15
> titles comprise many iconic titles from Dylan's canon: Free Wheelin';
> Another Side of Bob Dylan; Bringing It All Back Home; Highway 61
Revisited;
> John Wesley Harding; Nashville Skyline; Blood On The Tracks; Desire; Slow
> Train Coming; Infidels; Oh Mercy; Time Out Of Mind; Love and Theft; Royal
> Albert Hall and Street Legal.
I can't wait to hear a remastered Infidels. Also, I hope they add outtakes,
especially to Infidels, Oh Mercy, and Freewheelin'. I'd also love to hear
BOTT with the NY and Minnesota versions, but that's probably asking too much
from Sony.
Mad Dan
> wont hear the difference?
>
Might I suggest there's no point buying them if you've got the CDs
already? Especially if you'd originally had them on vinyl, then bought
them all *again* like the good little retarded consumer they take us
for (This is what I did)
Why should I keep buying exactly the same fucking product? Get fucked
Sony - do you really expect me to believe that in the 40 years since
it was released, no-one has yet heard Freewheelin' *properly*?
Are they admitting they've been selling substandard merchandise for
the last 20 years? If so, why can't we get a full refund, or have our
"shoddy" CDs automatically changed for the new, shiny, all-singing,
all-dancing, guaranteed-to-impress-the-ladies format?
And, by the way Trev, you've yet to explain what a "cloak of deceny"
is.
Mad Dan
>
> Roger; we must lobby for the inclusion of the mono mixes through Blond on
> Blond immediately or Sony Music will blow the greatest opportunity to
> present SACD as the killer application. We need both the Stereo and Mono
> mixes. If there were ever a reason to purchase an SACD player that would be
> it for every true lover of Bob's music.
>
> Richard.
So, presumably buying all the official CDs *still* doesn't make me a
*true* lover of Dylan's music? I have to prove my love by shelling out
for some new emperors-new-clothes fancy schmancy CD player too?
I know we "fans" do take things to extremes at times, but surely
you're not that fucking daft?
Matt Woodard
are complaining that the old cds need to be remastered. Now they are
doing that and people are complaining that they are going to have buy
the same albums again and again.
I got my SACD player (Sony) for $149. I don't think was a ridiculous
price for a fairly new technology that also contains a functioning DVD
player. I only have a few discs right now (Bruce Live in NYC, Steve
Earle - Guitar Town, BOB, and some of the Stones reissues). If the
remasters are anywhere near as good as the Stones, you will be able to
tell the difference even on the regular CD layer.
D East
> *true* lover of Dylan's music? I have to prove my love by shelling out
> for some new emperors-new-clothes fancy schmancy CD player too?
>
> I know we "fans" do take things to extremes at times, but surely
> you're not that fucking daft?
Well, call me daft but I'd buy any of them that were substantially improved
in the remastering, and therefore sounded significantly better when played
on my CD player - just for the listening pleasure. I bought the DCC Highway
61 when it was available, and I've never regretted it for an instant. Then
again, I'm young enough to have only bought most of these albums once, on
CD, and I don't think it's any secret that not all these CD transfers were
much cop. So yes, it's true that Sony should be pleading guilty to selling
substandard merchandise, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that... On
the other hand, I can't see myself shelling out for "L&T" or RAH on SACD -
are these really not good enough already?
Darren
Outfidel
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> >
> *true* lover of Dylan's music? I have to prove my love by shelling out
> for some new emperors-new-clothes fancy schmancy CD player too?
>
> I know we "fans" do take things to extremes at times, but surely
> you're not that fucking daft?
Sony offers a product, and you either buy it or you don't. If you don't want
the the new disks, then save your money. As Tina Turner says, "What's love
got to do with it?"
Peter Allen
<darre...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I bought the DCC Highway
>61 when it was available, and I've never regretted it for an instant. Then
>again, I'm young enough to have only bought most of these albums once, on
>CD, and I don't think it's any secret that not all these CD transfers were
>much cop. So yes, it's true that Sony should be pleading guilty to selling
>substandard merchandise, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that... On
>the other hand, I can't see myself shelling out for "L&T" or RAH on SACD -
>are these really not good enough already?
For the early albums, Sony may be missing the opportunity to put out
badly needed mono versions. ABKCO took the view for the 'Stones
material that if the most authentic original was the mono mix, that's
the way it would be released.
OTOH, why aren't they doing multichannel mixes of Oh Mercy, TOOM and
L&T? Done well, these could be a big improvement, assuming the
original multitracks are suitable.
No-one could complain about that, since a hybrid multichannel disc
always has multichannel SACD, stereo SACD (separately mixed, not a
fold-down), and stereo CD versions available.
Peter
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Peter Allen
<mwoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In reading some of the posts on this I am amused. All the time people
>are complaining that the old cds need to be remastered. Now they are
>doing that and people are complaining that they are going to have buy
>the same albums again and again.
>
>I got my SACD player (Sony) for $149. I don't think was a ridiculous
>price for a fairly new technology that also contains a functioning DVD
>player. I only have a few discs right now (Bruce Live in NYC, Steve
>Earle - Guitar Town, BOB, and some of the Stones reissues). If the
>remasters are anywhere near as good as the Stones, you will be able to
>tell the difference even on the regular CD layer.
Also the beauty of the hybrid SACD remasters is that (unlike DVD-A)
you can buy them now and get the full CD remaster quality without any
new equipment.
And, contrary to the complainants, here you are futureproofed. If you
buy an SACD player later, you won't have to fork out again, the SACD
layer has been sitting there waiting for you all along.
Alan Fraser
wrote:
>I can't wait to hear a remastered Infidels. Also, I hope they add outtakes,
>especially to Infidels, Oh Mercy, and Freewheelin'. I'd also love to hear
>BOTT with the NY and Minnesota versions, but that's probably asking too much
>from Sony.
There's nothing in the statement about out-takes, and Bob effectively
canned the previous attempt at remastering, which was intended to
include out-takes, like the remastered Byrds and S&G albums. Including
the original New York sessions material on BOTT would require Bob's
say-so, and I suspect he won't give it.
Alan
Jason Michael
"Peter Allen" <p...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
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> ABKCO took the view for the 'Stones
> material that if the most authentic original was the mono mix, that's
> the way it would be released.
Actually, from what I understand, the early Stones material was all recorded
in mono, not mixed to mono, so the choice was either mono or fake stereo.
Jason
Can't Wait
cd-player?
Richard
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> What exactly is it one doesn't get with a SACD-disc played on an ordinary
> cd-player?
Well, a convention cd player plays 16 bit disks encoded with Pulse Code
Modulation at a frequency of 48kHz. This is adequate to provide about 90 dB
of dynamic range and an audio frequency response out to 20,000 Hz. Many
people have felt that the bit size and sampling frequency was not adequate
to capture all of the sonic information from even a decent analog reel to
reel recording. Thus, using Delta Sigma Modulation with 1 bit size, Sony and
Philips developed a CD replacement format that not only provides much higher
sonic resolution, but also provides for multi-channel audio, data and
graphic information. Many people seem to feel that there are SACD recordings
that successfully capture the sonic information they remember from their
better vinyl and reel to reel material. Time will tell if this becomes a
majority opinion. My experience with SACD has been quite positive.
Richard.
dna fun
works) compare or relate to the sacd versions?
Matt Woodard
the DCC Compact Classic Highway 61 and the Super Bit Mapped Blonde on
Blonde from Columbia. If they are able to beat the Highway 61 gold
that will be an accomplishment!
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:13:13 -0800 (PST), dog...@webtv.net (dna fun)
wrote:
NickE6
How many times do you expect us to buy the same product? And for those of you
who think that SACD will be the final, last, ultimate,
this-time-I-really-mean-it version that they will ever try to sell you, guess
again.
Peter Allen
True, but the situation isn't as simple as that. For example, on the
Singles set some tracks are in mono as originally published, whereas a
genuine stereo mix may appear on an album or one of the collections.
Peter Allen
Don't get mad - you only have to buy what you want or need.
Peter Allen
wrote:
>how do the mobile fidelity series of gold cd's of bob's stuff(or other
>works) compare or relate to the sacd versions?
It's hard to say. Neither have been released yet!
Alan Fraser
wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:13:13 -0800 (PST), dog...@webtv.net (dna fun)
>wrote:
>
>>how do the mobile fidelity series of gold cd's of bob's stuff(or other
>>works) compare or relate to the sacd versions?
>
>It's hard to say. Neither have been released yet!
We have no SACD of Highway 61 Revisited to compare, but with respect
to Blonde On Blonde, Roger Ford has carefully compared the gold CD
remixed by Mark Wilder and the SACD remixed by Michael Brauer and
decided that the SACD is superior.
Alam
Jason Michael
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:45:06 -0500, "Jason Michael"
> <jwmi...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Peter Allen" <p...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
> >news:e2p12vcer3cc53pa0...@4ax.com...
> >> ABKCO took the view for the 'Stones
> >> material that if the most authentic original was the mono mix, that's
> >> the way it would be released.
> >
> >Actually, from what I understand, the early Stones material was all
recorded
> >in mono, not mixed to mono, so the choice was either mono or fake stereo.
> >
>
> True, but the situation isn't as simple as that. For example, on the
> Singles set some tracks are in mono as originally published, whereas a
> genuine stereo mix may appear on an album or one of the collections.
>
I'd forgotten about the Singles set. I assume the thought on that was to
reproduce what was actually released as a single. At what point were stereo
singles pressed?
Jason
Bliss
it was filtered through a plastic barrel full of sour milk.
James Pritchard
> Manufacturing's U.S. flagship facility in Terre Haute, Indiana. The 15
> titles comprise many iconic titles from Dylan's canon: Free Wheelin';
> Another Side of Bob Dylan; Bringing It All Back Home; Highway 61 Revisited;
> John Wesley Harding; Nashville Skyline; Blood On The Tracks; Desire; Slow
> Train Coming; Infidels; Oh Mercy; Time Out Of Mind; Love and Theft; Royal
> Albert Hall and Street Legal.
Dammit, where the sh*t is New Morning? I'd glady pay to have the
muffler pulled out of Bob on that one.
Peter Allen
Sure. But gold or not is irrelevant. The question was about Mobile
Fidelity CDs compared with the Sony SACDs, and this thread is about
the new forthcoming hybrid SACD multi-release. HW61R was DCC, not
Mobile Fidelity (and is probably as good a CD remaster as one could
hope for - that comparison with Sony's SACD remaster will be very
revealing).
The real question is how well Sony will handle the SACD remastering.
Both the gold CD and the SACD remaster of Blonde On Blonde from a
couple of years ago are Sony efforts. The Blonde On Blonde SACD and
the general quality of Sony's SACD program bodes well for the new
releases - but you can't say more than that as yet.
Cheers,
SDW
> [...]
> >
> Sure. But gold or not is irrelevant. The question was about Mobile
> Fidelity CDs compared with the Sony SACDs, and this thread is about
> the new forthcoming hybrid SACD multi-release. HW61R was DCC, not
> Mobile Fidelity (and is probably as good a CD remaster as one could
> hope for - that comparison with Sony's SACD remaster will be very
> revealing).
I don't know about anyone else, but I've got a bad case of
abbreviation fatigue, acute doltishness, and aggravated technophobia.
Richard
fatigue, acute doltishness, and aggravated technophobia.
Perhaps Bob's people can get a set issued to you on 78's or 8 track.
Cylinder is out of the question.
Richard.