Atheists & Skeptics: Your Last Chance To Impress Me...
Aster-Phile
So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
facts in evidence as I've done; to wit devoid of hearsay.
Those attempting otherwise are considered trolls...plonk!
Be aware, I can deactivate my scoring to check up on you
from time to time, so even the trolls are given a chance
to redress charges I've brought against orthodox science.
I've issued this perfectly fair and reasonable challenge
to you skeptics for over two years now, and yet, to date,
not even one of you has accepted my invitation to settle
this centuries-old debate once & for all for all to read.
Are you able to answer my summons? Then you must prove it.
I've already proven my side of the debate with pure logic
based solely on facts in evidence--no hearsay did I offer.
Now it's up to the very best of you to prove your side of
the debate. If you're not best in the world, don't bother.
This challenge is for the grand prize, so winner take all,
and loser must admit defeat and stop your whining. Got it?
NOW for the challenge: How did ancient astrologers number
the heavenly spheres--the planets--expressly according to
their sidereal but not synodic order, and yet, supposedly,
not know that the planets orbit the Sun and not the Earth?
Sounds simple, doesn't it? But if it's so easy, answer me!
And while you're struggling with that quandary, show your
readers how the Earth is supposedly not the center of her
caelestial sphere? Now you can run away or face the music.
If you choose the latter and face my challenge reasonably,
logically, rationally, conclusively, and incontrovertibly,
then I swear before the God of Heaven & Earth that I, Dan
Min, full name Daniel Joseph Min, abiding in Colorado USA,
I shall henceforth cease and desist from posting any more
articles to the usenet--without exception. I'll disappear
from the face of the Earth as far as your usenet world is
concerned. No more aliases or remailers. I am outta here!
Conversely, if you fail to meet my challenge, then every
one of you skeptics can kiss my rosey white ass, & cease
and desist from your pissing & whining & moaning against
my usenet presence. Sure, I could killfile every one who
shows his or her self to be an inept detractor, naysayer,
and otherwise unhelpful troll with your many sockpuppets,
most of whom I've long-since killfiled beyond subversion.
But this is my final offer. If you give up now, you lose,
and I shall forevermore post where and when I like while
you recede into the annals of inadequacy and inferiority
so the usenet world will know once and for all who's who
and what's what--and no lame-assed excuses will save you!
Meanwhile, I've got plenty of articles to write and post
to my favorite newsgroups. Is there not a man among you?
You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? Prove it!
Daniel Joseph Min
PS just to help you poor skeptics and atheists out, here
are astro-charts that I've posted often, proving my case
and invalidating your "age of enlightenment" permanently.
If you don't answer this summons, rest assured I'll post
it again and again and again, all over the usenet, until
such time as someone among you stands up to my challenge:
This first chart summarizes synodic & sidereal
periods of the planets in mean solar days, and
mean tropical years, to measure sidereal years.
This is especially important, since this shows
how the order of the heavens is established by
sidereal--not synodic--periods of the heavens:
PLANET ORBITS/SACRE GLOMES
S# Pla Synod Sider./TropY
*10 Plu 366.7 90800. 247.9
*9 Nep 367.5 60190. 164.8
*8 Ura 369.7 30685. 84.02
7 Sat 378.1 10760. 29.45
6 Jup 399.9 4332.2 11.86
5 Mar 780.0 686.98 1.881
4 Sun ----- 365.26 1.000
3 Ven 583.9 224.70 0.615
2 Mer 115.9 87.969 0.241
1 Moo 29.53 27.322 0.075
*NOTE:Ura rules Earth's sidereal year =~ 1.00004
Nep rules Earth's tropical year =~ 1.00000
Plu rules Earth's own geocenter =~ 0.00000.
Cf. the above with this chart dated cir. 440 AD, which
agrees with Greco-Roman authorities dated centuries BC;
that's centuries **BEFORE CHRIST**, you do the math....
COELVM EMPIREVM HABITACVLVM DEI ET OMNIVM ELECTORVM
Heaven Name Place Musa goddess
Tenth Primum Mobile Earth/Pluto Mnemosyne Memory
Ninth Mobile Seasons/Neptune Thalia Comedy
Eighth Caelest.Firma. Stars/Uranus Urania Astronomy
Seventh SATVRNI Saturn Polihymnia Hymnody
Sixth IOVIS Jupiter Euterpe Melody
Fifth MARTIS Mars Eratho Lyric
Fourth SOLIS Sun Melpomene Tragedy
Third VENERIS Venus Terpsicore Dance
Second MERCVRII Mercury Kaliope Epic
First LVNE Moon Klio History
This demonstrates conclusively that ancient astronomers
knew full-well that the planets orbit the Sun, and also
that the Earth is the center of her caelestial firmament.
*Summary Exposition of the Copernican Heresy:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=f91cae5ee66a8e54...@dizum.com
*Min's Reference Manual (updated 24-Nov-2002):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2IK03PLL375...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Home Page (updated 31-Oct-2002):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=UWP3KH4W3756...@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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O'Brother
"Aster-Phile" <reig...@heaven.above> wrote in message
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You got it backwards. We don't have to prove anything to you, you are the
one making the claims.
How are you going to prove it, since the burden of PROOF rests solely on
you.
I suggest you contact the National Science Foundation and take your work
into one of the national labs to prove it there, afterwards (perhaps during
your receipt of your nobel prize) we'll bow down for you.
Til now, you've proven nothing aside from the fact that you're in love with
yourself and can't understand why the rest of the world doesn't seem to feel
that way.
Please take your 'literary masterpieces' to Alt.Alien.Visitors, they have a
greater appreciation of your ilk.
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Michael Painter
"Aster-Phile" <reig...@heaven.above> wrote in message
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> So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
> it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
> this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
> somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
> facts in evidence as I've done; to wit devoid of hearsay.
> Those attempting otherwise are considered trolls...plonk!
> Be aware, I can deactivate my scoring to check up on you
> from time to time, so even the trolls are given a chance
> to redress charges I've brought against orthodox science.
>
> I've issued this perfectly fair and reasonable challenge
> to you skeptics for over two years now, and yet, to date,
> not even one of you has accepted my invitation to settle
> this centuries-old debate once & for all for all to read.
>
> Are you able to answer my summons? Then you must prove it.
> I've already proven my side of the debate with pure logic
> based solely on facts in evidence--no hearsay did I offer.
> Now it's up to the very best of you to prove your side of
> the debate. If you're not best in the world, don't bother.
> This challenge is for the grand prize, so winner take all,
> and loser must admit defeat and stop your whining. Got it?
>
under different names?
Why would we want to impress somebody who interchanges "pure logic" with
science?
I don't pay a lot of attention to seven year olds who know the words that
deal with sex, but have yet to learn what it is. Why should I pay attention
to somebody who does not even seem to know the words.
Gerd Eisenacher
probably the one and only. You are RIGHT ! Only you... Logic ...
Do yourself the favour.
We are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants...
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture26b.html
“Logic has made me hated among men”[1]
Abelard of Le Pallet on theology
http://www.abelard.org/abelard/abelard2.htm
http://www.san.beck.org/AB22-ChristianEthics.html
"Wir sind Zwerge auf den Schultern von Riesen. So sehen wir mehr und weiter
als sie, aber nicht, weil unsere Augen schärfer oder wir größer wären,
sondern weil sie uns durch die Lüfte tragen und uns über ihre gewaltige
Größe erheben."
(Bernhard von Clairvaux; 1090 - 1153)
George Black
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Killfile updated
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Don Kresch
<reig...@heaven.above> let us all know that:
>NOW for the challenge: How did ancient astrologers number
>the heavenly spheres--the planets--expressly according to
>their sidereal but not synodic order, and yet, supposedly,
>not know that the planets orbit the Sun and not the Earth?
>Sounds simple, doesn't it? But if it's so easy, answer me!
And the relevance for that would be?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
Michelle Malkin
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>So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
>it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
>this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
>somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
>facts in evidence as I've done; to wit devoid of hearsay.
>Those attempting otherwise are considered trolls...plonk!
>Be aware, I can deactivate my scoring to check up on you
>from time to time, so even the trolls are given a chance
>to redress charges I've brought against orthodox science.
Other stupidity deleted.
Repeating your nonsense will only get you rekillfiled.
You aren't going to get what you want from alt.atheism,
so you might as well just give up and crawl away in defeat.
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
atheist/agnostic list ordainer
EAC Bible thumper thumper
BAAWA Knight who says SPONG!
Jonas
news:Q1FG5P2Z37591.9319444444@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
> logically, rationally, conclusively, and incontrovertibly,
> then I swear before the God of Heaven & Earth that I, Dan
> Min, full name Daniel Joseph Min, abiding in Colorado USA,
> I shall henceforth cease and desist from posting any more
> articles to the usenet--without exception.
Gee you must be right. You've convinced me.
Now fuck off!
thamus
> So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as it is presented
> herein- below and before.
You mean the one where you claim that "the ancients" knew about
pluto, neptune, and uranus? Are you simply stupid or just wrong?
--
Thamus http://www.thamus.org/eac/
Random headline:
Nation Sharply Divided Over How To Show Unity
http://www.thamus.org/News/us/unity.html
Mark K. Bilbo
in <Q1FG5P2Z37591.9319444444@Gilgamesh-frog.org> proclaimed to the
world...
> So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as it is presented
> herein- below and before.
That's because nobody cares you fool.
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Certified Flesh Demon Acolyte of the Holy Cowbells
________________________________________________________________
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
pockets for new vocabulary."
[James D. Nicoll]
raven1
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>So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
>it is presented herein- below and before.
Because you're spouting a load of inane rubbish. Fuck off.
Michelle Malkin
wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:23:49 +0100, Aster-Phile wrote:
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>> So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as it is presented
>> herein- below and before.
>
>You mean the one where you claim that "the ancients" knew about
>pluto, neptune, and uranus? Are you simply stupid or just wrong?
It works both ways. He thinks we're stupid and we KNOW he is.
Sverker Johansson
[snip astro-shit]
No, I will not try to impress you. In fact, given that
you appear to be impressed by pure bullshit like the crap
you posted, I would be rather worried if I did impress
you -- impressing you is a reliable sign of being wrong.
--
Best regards, HLK, Physics
Sverker Johansson U of Jonkoping
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH - adapted from
CREATIONISM IS SCIENCE George Orwell
Steve Campbell
>
> Meanwhile, I've got plenty of articles to write and post
> to my favorite newsgroups. Is there not a man among you?
Well you religious types murder so many children in my country, reaching
adulthood is an achievement indeed.
Thanks you for all your intolerant, braind damaged murderous friends, you
and your deity must be very pleased with the pile of bodies.
--
registered Linux user #212154
Don't get mad, get Linux
http://www.cmm.uklinux.net/steve/ntt.html
Chris McMahan
Excuse me, but since when does the incoherent babbling of an astrology
moron equate with religion? And why does this babbling imply that he's
a "religious type"?
And what has that got to do with people murdering children in your
country?
- Chris
Steve Campbell <the.goo...@ntlspamworld.com> writes:
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Filip van den Bergh
> Min, full name Daniel Joseph Min, abiding in Colorado USA,
> I shall henceforth cease and desist from posting any more
> articles to the usenet--without exception. I'll disappear
> from the face of the Earth as far as your usenet world is
> concerned. No more aliases or remailers. I am outta here!
That's odd. According to the subject line, this is our last chance, so
nobody will be able to discuss such matters with him after this mail.
But according to his challenge, he'll only go away if we meet his
challenge and win. If he feels his challenge has not been met, he'll
apparently continue his spamming, and his subject line is wrong. The
only way he can get out of this without having said one lie is by
accepting a solution to his challenge - any solution - as true, and
therefore leaving. Then this would truly be the last chance.
Filip
Mark K. Bilbo
in <Q1FG5P2Z37591.9319444444@Gilgamesh-frog.org> proclaimed to the
world...
> Meanwhile, I've got plenty of articles to write and post to my favorite
> newsgroups.
How do we get off your "favorite" list?
Mac
wrote:
MAJOR SNIPING.... SNIP
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>So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
>it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
>this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
>somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
>facts in evidence as I've done;
Poor Danny...
Well, perhaps, you have this a tad backward.
First, given the many "FAILED PREDICTIONS" you have spammed
your little trolling onto so many Newsgroups, IT IS YOU THAT HAS
TO IMPRESS US !!!
Given how often you have made your "astrological predictions",
and given how often you have abysmally failed, it is up to you to
impress us....
However, I would be far more impressed if you had the courage to
actually responsibly use an ISP instead of hiding, as a craven
coward, behind your Anonymous ReMailer and so desperately
changing your name and handle to avoid kill-files.
---Mac
Ian Braidwood
>
> So far, no one has satisfactorily answered my summons as
> it is presented herein- below and before. So I'll repeat
> this challenge across the usenet on a regular basis till
> somebody produces a scientifically-based rejoinder using
> facts in evidence as I've done; to wit devoid of hearsay.
> SNIP! <
After due consideration and with careful scientific analysis of the
challenge, rewards and penalties you offer; I have come to the
following conclusion:
You ain't worth the effort.
Bye,
(-: Ian :-)
Chris Krolczyk
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> Sure, I could killfile every one who
> shows his or her self to be an inept detractor, naysayer,
> and otherwise unhelpful troll with your many sockpuppets,
> most of whom I've long-since killfiled beyond subversion.
Projection doesn't become you, AstroClown.
-Chris Krolczyk
[matt]
"Aster-Phile" <reig...@heaven.above> wrote in message
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> If you choose the latter and face my challenge reasonably,
> logically, rationally, conclusively, and incontrovertibly,
> then I swear before the God of Heaven & Earth that I, Dan
> Min, full name Daniel Joseph Min, abiding in Colorado USA,
> I shall henceforth cease and desist from posting any more
> articles to the usenet--without exception. I'll disappear
> from the face of the Earth as far as your usenet world is
> concerned. No more aliases or remailers. I am outta here!
Swear before who?
Michelle Malkin
I don't think he is Daniel Min. I think he's a troll using his name.
Steve Campbell
> Excuse me, but since when does the incoherent babbling of an astrology
> moron equate with religion? And why does this babbling imply that he's
> a "religious type"?
He attacks atheists, which literally means "those without a God".
therefor he is a God supporter.
Therefor he is guilty of......
The crusades....
The spanish inquisition.
The Holocaust.
Sept 11 2001
The trouble in Ireland
and 1001 thing that the religiously motivated have done since the dawn of
time.
>
> And what has that got to do with people murdering children in your
> country?
They kill in the name of their God. It's God's fault then for not removing
them from this planet. After all if he exists ( LOL), if he doesn't stop
the evil carried out in his name, he must, by logical extension, approve of
it, and since all members of a religion are brothers bonded in their love
for their Deity, all those with a religion are also guilty of all religious
crimes.