return receipts
Walter Cazzola
I'm here again for gettin help with return receipts, I'm using pine 4.50
and postfix 1.1, but both verbose (^W) and DSNOpts (D) mode don't
work. When I try to send in verbose mode I get the error:
"Mail not sent. VERBOSE mode error: 502 Error: command not
implemented."
But it sounds strange to me because it was available up to version 4.33.
Whereas trying to get return receipt with DSNOpts I get:
"Delivery Status Notification not available from this server"
As well this option was available with version 4.44 of pine, what do I have
missed? can I have them working again?
Thank you in advance for the help.
Best regards
Walter
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Walter Cazzola, PhD - DICo, University of Milano ICQ UIN: 66633601
email: cazzola (at) disi.unige.it (or remove nospam. from the above address)
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Samuel W. Heywood
The use of return receipts for email messages has fallen out of favor
and is nowadays looked upon as unprofessional and disgusting .
Return receipts in emails are used nowadays mainly by low-life scumbags
such as spammers and cyber-stalkers and lawyers.
Sam Heywood
-- Message sent by Unix Pine, Version 4.33
Walter Cazzola
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> The use of return receipts for email messages has fallen out of favor
> and is nowadays looked upon as unprofessional and disgusting .
> Return receipts in emails are used nowadays mainly by low-life scumbags
> such as spammers and cyber-stalkers and lawyers.
Probably you are right, but it is also a way to know if your message has
been correctly delivered. I'm not a spammer but I need to know when I
send (eg., for paper submissions) an important message if it reaches its
destination. There is another way to know that (please remember also
verbose send doesn't work)?
BTW, if it isn't supported anymore, why does pine propose many options
for handling return receipts?
regards
Walter
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Walter Cazzola, PhD - Assistant Professor, DICo, University of Milano
E-mail caz...@disi.unige.it Ph.: +39 010 353 6637 Fax: +39 010 353 6699
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> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>
> > The use of return receipts for email messages has fallen out of favor
> > and is nowadays looked upon as unprofessional and disgusting .
>
> > Return receipts in emails are used nowadays mainly by low-life scumbags
> > such as spammers and cyber-stalkers and lawyers.
>
> Probably you are right, but it is also a way to know if your message has
> been correctly delivered. I'm not a spammer but I need to know when I
> send (eg., for paper submissions) an important message if it reaches its
> destination. There is another way to know that (please remember also
> verbose send doesn't work)?
>
> BTW, if it isn't supported anymore, why does pine propose many options
> for handling return receipts?
>
> regards
> Walter
I was not insinuating that you might be a spammer. You might be among
the very few persons who would send return-receipted emails for
perfectly legitimate purposes and for reasons which are ethically
upright.
The problem with return-receipted emails is that the use of such emails
is so often abused that some email client program developers and some
services might have made the decision to stop supporting return-receipts.
Return-receipted emails would be a good thing if it were not for the
fact that most people who send emails of this type do so for the
purpose of abusing privacy and also for other reasons that are morally
and ethically out of bounds.
If an obnoxious person is trying to communicate with you, he should not
be given the perverted gratification of knowing that you are receiving
and reading his annoying messages.
Many spammers nowadays are using "tricky-bit read-receipts" by use of
including in their emails an attached HTML message which, when rendered
while in online mode, will download a one pixel image from the spammer's
website, thereby giving the spammer confirmation of the validity of your
email address. Unless you examine the code in the HTML attachments you
would be unaware of such dirty tricks.
HTML email is evil.
Ephraim Gadsby
<shey...@subdimension.com> wrote:
>Many spammers nowadays are using "tricky-bit read-receipts" by use of
>including in their emails an attached HTML message which, when rendered
>while in online mode, will download a one pixel image from the spammer's
>website, thereby giving the spammer confirmation of the validity of your
>email address. Unless you examine the code in the HTML attachments you
>would be unaware of such dirty tricks.
Some HTML clients, like Mozilla, have an option not to display
external images in mail and news.
If you read Webmail by https your browser will prompt you about
insecure content. .
Samuel W. Heywood
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:25:05 +0000, "Samuel W. Heywood"
> <shey...@subdimension.com> wrote:
<snipped my comments about "tricky-bit read-receipts" in HTML emails>
> Some HTML clients, like Mozilla, have an option not to display
> external images in mail and news.
>
> If you read Webmail by https your browser will prompt you about
> insecure content. .
Very good to know information. Thanks!
Steve Hubert
> [DSN and Verbose don't work in newer pines]
Walter,
It is supposed to still work. Do you have the old pines around still so
that you can try it with them to see if it is a change in pine that is
causing a problem or a change in the smtp server?
You can also try it by hand from a unix system.
telnet <smtp-server> smtp
<greeting from smtp server ending with lines like>
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-EXPN
250-DSN
250-VERB
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE 60000000
250-ETRN
250 HELP
If DSN is in that list, that means the server is offering DSN support. If
not, not. That's a standard. I don't believe Verbose mode is a standard.
It started as a sendmail thing. If VERB is in the list, then the command
VERB
is supposed to put the connection in verbose mode. Pine actually uses
VERB ON
which also works with some other servers.
Steve Hubert
Beartooth
>
> Some HTML clients, like Mozilla, have an option not to display
> external images in mail and news.
>
> If you read Webmail by https your browser will prompt you about
> insecure content. .
Personally, I avoid webmail, preferring pine by a jugful,
so much so that I even maintain a shell account apart from my
regular connection, just to run pine in; but as a longtime sidekick
to spamfighters, I'd gladly pass on the fullest list I can get of
which browsers do that to those of my correspondents who do use
webmail. (Anything to get people off OE & IE!)
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RR 'Beartooth' Neuswanger <karhunhammas (at) lserv.com>
Double Retiree, Linuxer's Apprentice, Curmudgeon On Line
This message was created in a MS-free computing environment.
Walter Cazzola
thank you for your reply
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:
> > [DSN and Verbose don't work in newer pines]
> It is supposed to still work. Do you have the old pines around still so
> that you can try it with them to see if it is a change in pine that is
> causing a problem or a change in the smtp server?
uhm, I cannot be sure of that, could be due to the fact that I'm not
directly connected to the mails server, but I use postfix to deliver the
messages?
> You can also try it by hand from a unix system.
> telnet <smtp-server> smtp
> <greeting from smtp server ending with lines like>
> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-EXPN
> 250-DSN
> 250-VERB
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250-SIZE 60000000
> 250-ETRN
> 250 HELP
I have just tried but I don't get anything similar:
>telnet elios.disi.unige.it smtp
Trying 130.251.61.19...
Connected to elios.disi.unige.it (130.251.61.19).
Escape character is '^]'.
220 elios.disi.unige.it ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:00:30 +0100 (MET)
> If DSN is in that list, that means the server is offering DSN support. If
> not, not. That's a standard. I don't believe Verbose mode is a standard.
> It started as a sendmail thing. If VERB is in the list, then the command
giving HELP I get:
214-This is Sendmail version 8.9.3
214-Topics:
214- HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA
214- RSET NOOP QUIT HELP VRFY
214- EXPN VERB ETRN DSN
214-For more info use "HELP <topic>".
214-To report bugs in the implementation send email to
214- sendma...@sendmail.org.
214-For local information send email to Postmaster at your site.
214 End of HELP info
but when I try to set VERB ON I get: 502 Verbose unavailable that
explain the pine's behavior.
whereas trying 'DSN' I get: 500 Command unrecognized: "DSN" that is
strange.
have you any advice?
thanks a lot
Walter
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Chris
>
> Some HTML clients, like Mozilla, have an option not to display
> external images in mail and news.
>
> If you read Webmail by https your browser will prompt you about
> insecure content. .
I discovered today that Yahoo also has an option to not download
graphics requested by HTML.
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