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Matthew

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Apr 3, 2002, 9:09:26 AM4/3/02
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hi

i'm looking for assistance setting up a sony dig 8 vid cam with netmeeting

the video doesnt show my cam as an option so i must have to install a driver
somewhere. i already have the cam going over usb and also thru my firewire
card - but netmeeting doesnt recognize it yet

thanks


Brian Sullivan -MVP

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:02:30 AM4/3/02
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Generally firewire/dv combos do not supply the old style VFW dirvers that
NetMeeting requires and cannot be used directly as video sources.

Matthew

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:29:34 AM4/3/02
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brian,

the video options does list a cam ("Microsoft DV or VCR") but i have no pic
in the window...seems that it is almost there...especially if it recognized
a "Microsoft DV source...doesnt that mean they have a driver?

thanks,

matthew

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Brian Sullivan -MVP

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:47:57 AM4/3/02
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"Matthew" <matthe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> brian,
>
> the video options does list a cam ("Microsoft DV or VCR") but i have no
pic
> in the window...seems that it is almost there...especially if it
recognized
> a "Microsoft DV source...doesnt that mean they have a driver?


I don't know where to look for further information -- but if you can get
your dv camera to work as a video source for NM -- quite a number of DV
camera owners I am sure might be interested

Name

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:01:43 PM4/3/02
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In article <cbGq8.1026$Sv.32971@localhost>, matthe...@hotmail.com
says...

> brian,
>
> the video options does list a cam ("Microsoft DV or VCR") but i have no pic
> in the window...seems that it is almost there...especially if it recognized
> a "Microsoft DV source...doesnt that mean they have a driver?
>
> thanks,
>
> matthew
I still don't think you'll be able to do it so directly, Matthew, but as
you at least got to this point, there's a trick to try. (Part of the
rather involved setup I previously mentioned.) Turn off all hardware
acceleration. (Start...Settings...Control
Panel...System...Performance...Graphics... and move the slider to None,
then reboot). Harmless to try (just remember how to get back to it ;-) )

I'm not expecting much, though.
--

Dwight Klettke
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James

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Apr 4, 2002, 2:36:32 AM4/4/02
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If you really want to use that camera, you can get a video
capture card and then have netmeeting use that to
broadcast. http://hauppauge.com/ has a good selection.
All of their products are high quality. I've bought from
them many times. If your broadcast doesn't have to be the
greatest quality, just buy a cheap webcam. It'll be alot
cheaper that all other options.

>.
>

AA

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Apr 5, 2002, 1:35:12 AM4/5/02
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my sony dig 8 camcorder worked perfectly fine in win2000. since i upgraded
to winXP professional, the netmeeting is not recognized my digital camcorder
at all, but the windows movie maker does though. it is weired.

anybody could find solutions, please post here.

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James Body

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Apr 5, 2002, 6:06:16 AM4/5/02
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I too have a DCR-TRV340E running USB into a Dell Latitude
800 running Windows 2000. The physical interface/drivers
are OK - I can stream video into the Pixela app that came
bundled with the camera - but NetMeeting refuses to see
the camera.

I am highly frustrated and cannot seem to find any answers.

Anyone help?


James

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Name

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Apr 5, 2002, 11:55:27 AM4/5/02
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In article <#oa2gvG3BHA.2744@tkmsftngp04>, sl...@hotmail.com says...

> my sony dig 8 camcorder worked perfectly fine in win2000. since i upgraded
> to winXP professional, the netmeeting is not recognized my digital camcorder
> at all, but the windows movie maker does though. it is weired.
>
> anybody could find solutions, please post here.
Clarify, please.
"my sony dig 8 camcorder worked perfectly fine in win2000" with
NetMeeting? This is the part I'm unable to explain.
Your current experience is the norm. It's that win2000 that's unusual.

Name

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Apr 5, 2002, 12:00:59 PM4/5/02
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In article <2d5a01c1dc91$e7d996d0$9be62ecf@tkmsftngxa03>, so...@jrrf.co.uk
says...

> I too have a DCR-TRV340E running USB into a Dell Latitude
> 800 running Windows 2000. The physical interface/drivers
> are OK - I can stream video into the Pixela app that came
> bundled with the camera - but NetMeeting refuses to see
> the camera.
>
> I am highly frustrated and cannot seem to find any answers.
>
> Anyone help?
Sounds like you're halfway there. I haven't used this approach, but
several people find the software at
http://www.trackerpod.com/index1.htm
works in these situations. It's free, and you just need the software,
not the hardware that's being sold.
In the rare cases when I must use my Digital8 as input for NetMeeting
use, I have success with SoftCam from http://www.luminositi.com/ .
You can try it for free (the Pixela app would be your source) to see if
it works on your system. An important point is that you'll likely need
to turn off any hardware acceleration for everything to function.

AA

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Apr 5, 2002, 9:36:52 PM4/5/02
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i was using IEEE1394 firewire port to connect my Sony DCR-730 to my windows
2000 professional machine. i am not sure about the USB port though.
if you want, you may try the firewire port, what you only needed is just a
firewire PCI card and speed is much more faster (40 times faster) when
transmitting video between them. once i installed the firewire card and
installed the driver for the card, netmeeting automatically recognized my
digital camcorder.

AA

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AA

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Apr 5, 2002, 9:50:03 PM4/5/02
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i mean by using IEEE1394 firewire port in window 2000 pro.
i am not sure about USB port though. i bought that firewire card, installed
it and the driver, netmeeting automatically recongnized my sony digital
TRV-730 camcorder.

"your current experience is the norm", are you mean that windows XPs'
Netmeeting does not recongize digital cams at all?
please clarify, too.

AA

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Name

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Apr 7, 2002, 12:22:35 PM4/7/02
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> "your current experience is the norm", are you mean that windows XPs'
> Netmeeting does not recongize digital cams at all?
> please clarify, too.
>
> AA
Yes, that's exactly what most people report with NetMeeting and XP and
Win98--no support for digital cameras. NetMeeting must have Video for
Windows drivers.

AA

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Apr 7, 2002, 9:52:43 PM4/7/02
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thanks for the reply!
i suspect microsoft is going to replace netmeeting with msn messenger. cause
i found out that messenger can recongnize my digital camcorder. but the
other party has to have windows xp to be able to see me. probably they want
to encourage people to buy windows xp.

AA

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Name

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Apr 8, 2002, 10:06:14 AM4/8/02
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In article <uuDDv$p3BHA.2404@tkmsftngp02>, sl...@hotmail.com says...

> thanks for the reply!
> i suspect microsoft is going to replace netmeeting with msn messenger. cause
> i found out that messenger can recongnize my digital camcorder. but the
> other party has to have windows xp to be able to see me. probably they want
> to encourage people to buy windows xp.
>
> AA
That's what others have said, too.
Thanks for that info, though. I nearly always use Trillian rather than
the MSN Messenger software directly, so I've never tried to explore the
video capabilities. However, I run 98SE and, as you point out, the
version of Messenger made for that doesn't address video as far as I can
see.

Curt K

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Apr 29, 2002, 12:36:56 PM4/29/02
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I have a Sony Digital8 (TRV-103) with Firewire/Windows XP, and the
Free TrackerPod software did the trick for all WebCam apps I was
having problems with (NetMeeting, Yahoo Messenger, Eyeball, and
PalTalk) give it a try & Good Luck.

Curt

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Name

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Apr 29, 2002, 1:30:53 PM4/29/02
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As Curt appended to my message, let me just observe that I agree with
Curt completely. Indeed, I no longer recommend the rather complicated
SoftCam approach. The TrackerCam software is by far more direct and
simpler to use. The current "price" of free is certainly great, too.

Walter, Kim & Thymen

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May 8, 2002, 5:33:28 PM5/8/02
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Dwight,

Noted your nice hints on the internet to use Trackercam.
and was hoping that this would solve the 'MS-Netmeeting DV video capture'
void.

I understand that the Digital Video (DV) signal/packet includes next to the
Video also the Audio.
The ('synchronised') Audio should be 'removed'/filtered to have a clean
video packet ready for MS Netmeeting.
Netmeeting uses seperate Audio and Video compression techniques and thus
requires seperate Audio and Video (AV) signal.
With your hints I suspect Trackercam can do filter these, but unfortunately
cannot yet see it ....

I've installed the free Trackercam 3 and
with my JVC GR-DVP3 via a IEEE 1394 (firewire, i.link)
Trackercam does yet not capture !


1. Does the TI driver (which has been automatically installed) not work with
Trackercam?

Because the (with the capture card supplied) video editing program (Ulead
Video studio 4 SE )
works fine with the
driver from Texas Instruments (TI)
(as seen at my MS98 OS: Control Panel>System>Tab Device Manager>'Sound,
video and game controller' which shows
a driver: 1394 DV Camcorder),
the conclusion should be that my current IEEE card and hardware works fine.


What I've learned sofar from 'simular' problems that
the Adobe Video editing program requires
to remove the TI driver and install a Microsoft (MS) driver at
the 'Imaging devices'.

2. Does Trackercam requires the MS driver?

With regards,

Walter

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Name

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May 8, 2002, 6:42:06 PM5/8/02
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> I understand that the Digital Video (DV) signal/packet includes next to the
> Video also the Audio.
I have not configured my multimedia work to use the Audio through the
Firewire link. I started out in Adobe, Pinnacle, Ulead and MGI products
to use the Firewire purely for the video component. There was less
hassle in adjusting my mixer (to eliminate echoes and whatnot) by just
keeping things separate. So I have explored the Audio input through
Firewire only minimally, and as it applies to Netmeeting, not at all.
So, I can't answer your questions from my own experience. Perhaps
someone else has addressed this in their system. I'm afraid all I'd be
able to say is Firewire for your video; but leave your Audio going to
your sound card. I'm not personally familiar with the JVC GR-DVP3, but I
see on the specs that it does have A/V output through normal RCA plugs
with an included cable, yes? That's the approach I would take.

> The ('synchronised') Audio should be 'removed'/filtered to have a clean
> video packet ready for MS Netmeeting.
> Netmeeting uses seperate Audio and Video compression techniques and thus
> requires seperate Audio and Video (AV) signal.
> With your hints I suspect Trackercam can do filter these, but unfortunately
> cannot yet see it ....
Again, if such capability exists in the TrackerCam software, there's
probably a description of it on the site. I've found the configuration
tutorials (reached via Internet connection) have been very good.
However, the particular concept you're seeking is not something I've
looked for.

> I've installed the free Trackercam 3 and
> with my JVC GR-DVP3 via a IEEE 1394 (firewire, i.link)
> Trackercam does yet not capture !
> 1. Does the TI driver (which has been automatically installed) not work with
> Trackercam?
Can't answer that. I'm not even sure it's pertinent; but it might be...

> Because the (with the capture card supplied) video editing program (Ulead
> Video studio 4 SE )
> works fine with the
> driver from Texas Instruments (TI)
> (as seen at my MS98 OS: Control Panel>System>Tab Device Manager>'Sound,
> video and game controller' which shows
> a driver: 1394 DV Camcorder),
> the conclusion should be that my current IEEE card and hardware works fine.
>
>
> What I've learned sofar from 'simular' problems that
> the Adobe Video editing program requires
> to remove the TI driver and install a Microsoft (MS) driver at
> the 'Imaging devices'.
>
> 2. Does Trackercam requires the MS driver?
Maybe... I'm not sure. For what it's worth, in MY Device Manager,
under the Sound, video and game controller section I have "TrackerCam
Video Capture Driver" in addition to my other system sound card listings.
However, "1394 DV Camcorder" is NOT a listing there. In the "Imaging
Device" section, I do have a listing for "Microsoft DV Camera and VCR"--
when I remember to turn the camera on, of course--otherwise, I don't even
have the Imaging Device section. Possibly, the term "Microsoft DV
Camera..." is implying that MS driver you're referring to.
> With regards,
>
> Walter
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