What's in a ten unit
Bob K
really isn't much in there.
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<WLbW7.198316$WW.11...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bob K" <gobli...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Has anyone found a circiut schematic for on of these things. I bet they're
> really isn't much in there.
TENS: transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation
As in anything electronic, TMTOWTDI: There's more than one way to do it.
I built a TENS box with a very simple -- downright neolithic -- circuit
with one phat transistor, two potentiometers, and a transformer. The
pulses it makes are downright primitive, but they get the job done.
So is there any advantage to clever-clever things like different
waveforms?
Do you know which end of a soldering iron to hold? You could make the
thing with ~$40 in parts from Radio Shack. My favorite electrodes are a
PA ring and a speculum. Come now, boy. ... Come *now*.
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: Has anyone found a circiut schematic for on of these things. I bet they're
: really isn't much in there.
I'm still looking for one for a violet ray wand, if there are any out
there.
MasterWoof
aj...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Bruce Mills) wrote:
Six of them on Ebay right now. Do a search on "violet wand."
Trish Lynch
Or check out John Warren's Diversified Services (www.diversifiedservices.biz)
or Transitions (www.make-the-transition.com)
Both are good trustworthy vendors. Diversified may have the lower price though.
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> On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:19:05 GMT, MasterWoof <sp...@spam.spam> wrote:
> > Six of them on Ebay right now. Do a search on "violet wand."
> Or check out John Warren's Diversified Services
(www.diversifiedservices.biz)
> or Transitions (www.make-the-transition.com)
>
> Both are good trustworthy vendors. Diversified may have the lower price
though.
We've got TENS units in stock, but our supplier is retooling for an improved
violet wand. They tell us the new ones will be available "first quarter of
2002." In the meantime, we are out of violet wands. DAMN!
--
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NEW URL www.diversifiedservices.biz
Trish Lynch
wrote:
>
> We've got TENS units in stock, but our supplier is retooling for an improved
> violet wand. They tell us the new ones will be available "first quarter of
> 2002." In the meantime, we are out of violet wands. DAMN!
>
When you get them in, let us know how they are, if the upgrade path is
advantageous (I can think of some improvments to my wand I'd love to have)
I might just have to buy one :)
And I know my partners in NC would love to get thier hands on the one I
have now :)
speaking of which, as our resident bookseller, know any good books
on Violet Wand and other electrical play? Most of what I've done with it
has been experimenting and my own creativity, but I've never actually
seen a decent violet wand demo scene yet.
Also, how does one correctly "tune" thier violet wand for play, unfortunately
I do move around a bit while playing, and different wand positions (vertical,
right side up, upside down, horizontal) have such a difference in output that
it sometimes can go over Angel's current threshold, though one could argue
that I'm not doing my job pushing it, but our ideas are to make it a sensual
experience without so much actual pain.
IS anyone else as paranoid as I am about being fully clothed with the
body-contact attachment, we have hardwood floors, so I guess
theoretically I could go bare-foot, but I'm still somewhat new to Violet
Wand play.
spicecat
"UKBen" said > They are supposed to be very safe, and in theory shouldn't be
able to
> pass live current, but I prefer to be paranoid when it comes to
> electricity, so I use a Residual Circuit Breaker.
Ooooh THATS what its called :)
With a Residual thingummy does that mean I can then use my Pinwheel directly
with my wand? The transitions website seems to advise against using a
pinwheel incase there is current leakage (I think thats what it said)
But other sources of info seem to recommend the use of a pinwheel (and sell
pinwheels specifically for use with a Wand)
Or is a pinwheel reccomended for use in the hand but not directly connected
to the wand? and does that mean using a body contact thingy?
(forgive my lack of clarity .... I've only just got my wand)
and... where do I buy a RCB thing please? Only want UK answers :)
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John Warren
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:38:42 -0500, John Warren
<jo...@diversifiedservices.biz>
> wrote:
> >
> > We've got TENS units in stock, but our supplier is retooling for an
improved
> > violet wand. They tell us the new ones will be available "first quarter
of
> > 2002." In the meantime, we are out of violet wands. DAMN!
> >
>
> When you get them in, let us know how they are, if the upgrade path is
> advantageous (I can think of some improvments to my wand I'd love to have)
> I might just have to buy one :)
>
> And I know my partners in NC would love to get thier hands on the one I
> have now :)
I can't announce it in SSBB since that would be a clearly commercial advert,
but I'll put your email address in the tickler file for when I finally have
them in hand.
>
> speaking of which, as our resident bookseller, know any good books
> on Violet Wand and other electrical play? Most of what I've done with it
> has been experimenting and my own creativity, but I've never actually
> seen a decent violet wand demo scene yet.
As far as I know there is only one book, Juice. It's self published by the
author, an electrical engineer, but with Janet Hardy's help it has been
translated into something approximating English. Unfortunately, there isn't
much on violet wand play. I wouldn't recommend buying it for that.
>
> Also, how does one correctly "tune" thier violet wand for play,
unfortunately
> I do move around a bit while playing, and different wand positions
(vertical,
> right side up, upside down, horizontal) have such a difference in output
that
> it sometimes can go over Angel's current threshold, though one could argue
> that I'm not doing my job pushing it, but our ideas are to make it a
sensual
> experience without so much actual pain.
I've found that the angle you hold some wands effects the output. Try
holding it at approximately a constant angle from the vertical. That may
keep the output consistent.
>
> IS anyone else as paranoid as I am about being fully clothed with the
> body-contact attachment, we have hardwood floors, so I guess
> theoretically I could go bare-foot, but I'm still somewhat new to Violet
> Wand play.
The body contact thing shouldn't be effected by YOU wearing clothing, BUT
make sure there is a nonconductive link in the chain. The HF output of the
wand flows over it but should the coil arc, the 110 coming out the output
won't cross. Otherwise you could get a glow in your eyes that has nothing
to do with lust. (burning flesh smells SO bad)
Bruce Mills
: On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:19:05 GMT, MasterWoof <sp...@spam.spam> wrote:
: > In article <a0bljf$abf$1...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
: > aj...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Bruce Mills) wrote:
: >
: >> Bob K (gobli...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: >> : Has anyone found a circiut schematic for on of these things. I bet they're
: >> : really isn't much in there.
: >>
: >> I'm still looking for one for a violet ray wand, if there are any out
: >> there.
: >>
: >
: > Six of them on Ebay right now. Do a search on "violet wand."
I"ve got three, thanks. I was looking for a circuit schematic for the
violet ray wand, referenced in the message to which I was responding.
Golden California Girls
>
>I"ve got three, thanks. I was looking for a circuit schematic for the
>violet ray wand, referenced in the message to which I was responding.
Do a search on Tesla Coil.
Trish Lynch
wrote:
>
> "UKBen" said > They are supposed to be very safe, and in theory shouldn't be
> able to
>> pass live current, but I prefer to be paranoid when it comes to
>> electricity, so I use a Residual Circuit Breaker.
>
>
> Ooooh THATS what its called :)
> With a Residual thingummy does that mean I can then use my Pinwheel directly
> with my wand? The transitions website seems to advise against using a
> pinwheel incase there is current leakage (I think thats what it said)
> But other sources of info seem to recommend the use of a pinwheel (and sell
> pinwheels specifically for use with a Wand)
> Or is a pinwheel reccomended for use in the hand but not directly connected
> to the wand? and does that mean using a body contact thingy?
> (forgive my lack of clarity .... I've only just got my wand)
>
> and... where do I buy a RCB thing please? Only want UK answers :)
>
I use the pinwheel in my hand with the body contact attachment, its pretty
cool.
I would personally warn against using it directly in the wand without an
isolation transformer, which is actually in the body contact attachment. :)
Those pinwheels are useful items, can be used in SO many different ways :)
Masterwoof
Frites <fri...@address.below> wrote:
> It's not a full build-it-yourself schematic, but there's a
> schematic of the Tesla coil and an explanation about how the
> violet wand differs at http://www.violetwand.org/home.htm
I think I'll run away screaming now.
Here are the electroplay rules I go by:
1. If it plugs into the wall, forget it. (Unless it has a medical-grade
transformer or equivalent. If you don't know what that is, then forget
it.)
2. No electrodes above the waist.
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<spic...@newstrial.com> wrote:
>With a Residual thingummy does that mean I can then use my Pinwheel directly
>with my wand? The transitions website seems to advise against using a
>pinwheel incase there is current leakage
The risk is not from the high voltage output the VW is supposed to zap
you with. The risk is from the 120V line voltage that can be
dangerous. The innards of the VW contains a pair of wire coils. The
insulation between the wires is nothing more than a layer of varnish.
They don't fail very often, but if the insulation breaks down, then it
is possible to put 120V line voltage to the business end.
Now, if you are using the hollow glass attachments, then you are
protected against this. The glass is a perfect insulator to the line
voltage.
But if you attach a metal attachment, without a spark gap, then you
have the possibility of a serious shock. The better metal attachments
have either a spark gap or an insulator to protect you against the
120V. Or you can get an accessory spark gap attachment.
- Dennis
K
Someone said (lost track in this thread, sorry)
>speaking of which, as our resident bookseller, know any good books on
Violet Wand and other electrical play? Most of what I've done with it has
been experimenting and my own creativity, but I've never actually seen a
decent violet wand demo scene yet.
I've got some listings from Steven D's master list. Maybe they'll help?
~~~
Books and Sites on Electrical play:
Those interested in electrical play should take a look at:
"Juice: Electricity for Pleasure and Pain" by Uncle Abdul
Greenery Press, 1447 Park Ave., Emeryville, CA 94608.
http://www.greenerypress.com/ 1-888-944-4434
Uncle Abdul also has an Electrical Play page with many links to the
topic, at http://www.bigrock.com/~uncleabdul/
Steven's writing:
If Violet Wands are your preferred form of electrical
play, you may wish to check out the "ASB/SSB Archives" page on my kinky
homepage, which includes "Violet Wands 101" along with articles on
breathplay, electrical play, gags, steel bondage, and suspension (note: none
written by me).
http://links.magenta.com/lmnop/users/sd/asb.archives.html
Faustopheles <fausto...@my-deja.com> has a page on electrotorture, among
other subjects, at the URL
http://faustopheles.mybdsm.com/
( I just tried that last one and can't get the url to work. Maybe someone
has something more recent).
Karinthia
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John Warren
news:a0dv58$kbjrc$1...@ID-118378.news.dfncis.de...
> Those interested in electrical play should take a look at:
> "Juice: Electricity for Pleasure and Pain" by Uncle Abdul
> Greenery Press, 1447 Park Ave., Emeryville, CA 94608.
> http://www.greenerypress.com/ 1-888-944-4434
Greenery discontinued Juice. However, they were nice enough to return the
rights to him and give him the negatives. He is now self-publishing and the
price of the book is now $14.95.
John Warren
news:masterwoof.spam-A5...@typhoon.sonic.net...
> In article <samk2ugdniiq5us0s...@4ax.com>,
> Frites <fri...@address.below> wrote:
>
> > aj...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Bruce Mills) wrote:
> >
> > >Bob K (gobli...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> > >: Has anyone found a circiut schematic for on of these things. I bet
they're
> > >: really isn't much in there.
> > >
> > >I'm still looking for one for a violet ray wand, if there are any out
> > >there.
> >
> > It's not a full build-it-yourself schematic, but there's a
> > schematic of the Tesla coil and an explanation about how the
> > violet wand differs at http://www.violetwand.org/home.htm
>
> I think I'll run away screaming now.
>
> Here are the electroplay rules I go by:
>
> 1. If it plugs into the wall, forget it. (Unless it has a medical-grade
> transformer or equivalent. If you don't know what that is, then forget
> it.)
A reasonable restriction with conventional electrical toys, but the violet
wand's glass electrodes provide a better than good fail-safe system
>
> 2. No electrodes above the waist.
The electricity from violet wands cannot penetrate the skin so there is no
danger to most people with above the waist play. The major exception is
people with pacemakers since there is a noticable RF output to a violet
wand. Whether it is a "significant risk" is unknown.
spicecat
advice)
if it gets too complex I get lost :)
> 230v here (and used to be 240 before we got harmonised).
I guess that means its TWICE as dangerous here then huh Ben?
bugger
but also - the fact that we have three prongs on our plugs .... does that
help us at all?
someone mentioned something about a spark gap attachment to use with
accessories - whats that? and where do I get one?
(NOT the body contact thing - cant afford that yet)
Bennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn are you likely to visit Lash any time soon ? Huh ? Huh?
Please ? :)
K
>Those interested in electrical play should take a look at:
"Juice: Electricity for Pleasure and Pain" by Uncle Abdul
John:
> Greenery discontinued Juice. However, they were nice enough to return the
rights to him and give him the negatives. He is now self-publishing and the
price of the book is now $14.95.
Negatives?
I think I need to update the information on books I have. Okay to send it
along to those involved or better to post it here? whenever someone asks
about info, I either try and post something relevant or slip it to them in
email. I really hate sending them bogus information. (and I have a ton of
books listed).
Karinthia
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John Warren
> K:
> >Those interested in electrical play should take a look at:
> "Juice: Electricity for Pleasure and Pain" by Uncle Abdul
> > http://www.greenerypress.com/ 1-888-944-4434
>
> John:
> > Greenery discontinued Juice. However, they were nice enough to return
the
> rights to him and give him the negatives. He is now self-publishing and
the
> price of the book is now $14.95.
>
> Negatives?
In photoengraving, the most expensive part of the process is making a set of
1:1 negatives from which plates can be made. Having existing negatives,
cuts down the self-publisher's costs a LOT. All one has to do is blank out
things like ISBN numbers and attributions and make your plates.
>
> I think I need to update the information on books I have. Okay to send it
> along to those involved or better to post it here? whenever someone asks
> about info, I either try and post something relevant or slip it to them in
> email. I really hate sending them bogus information. (and I have a ton of
> books listed).
I don't know if Uncle Abdul is doing retail. It would be on his web page if
he is, but I'm planning on continuing to carry the books at Diversifed as
long as he's printing them.
Bruce Mills
: It's not a full build-it-yourself schematic, but there's a
: schematic of the Tesla coil and an explanation about how the
: violet wand differs at http://www.violetwand.org/home.htm
Thanks, I'll take a look.
dev
news:a0e0bb$k6go2$2...@ID-63352.news.dfncis.de...
> The electricity from violet wands cannot penetrate the skin so there
is no
> danger to most people with above the waist play. The major
exception is
> people with pacemakers since there is a noticable RF output to a
violet
> wand. Whether it is a "significant risk" is unknown.
Isn't there also some UV output, such that you can get a small
'sunburn' if held stationary for long?
Dev
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"Frites"
> >> There's one body-contact accessory that consists of a cylindrical
> >>glass tube that you hold in your hand.
Yep I think I saw that on Bens Violet wand...
like Frites I find it a bit weird to clasp a glass tube
besides which- I am not sure if I HAVE that accessory
> I like using a dental probe or a Wartenberg wheel.
It is -particularly- the wheel I am interested in (as I own one already)
when I mentioned accessories thats what I meant - which isnt glass - which
is why I need to know how I can safely use a Pinwheel without spending $95
on a body contact thingy?
Urm Ben....
I dont suppose HC counts as a cute northern sub does he? ;)
You mean you can't just come Oop North to educate me in my new gadget
damn life sucks
SpiceCat :)
shullie
<spic...@newstrial.com> writes
>
>"
>Urm Ben....
>I dont suppose HC counts as a cute northern sub does he? ;)
>You mean you can't just come Oop North to educate me in my new gadget
>
>damn life sucks
>
>SpiceCat :)
>
jump once before when some kind person used a violet want on him (I only
held his leg 'onest!) he does such a pretty dance ... and I would pay
to see it again... hehehehehe well I would bake u a cake anyway!
love and xxxises
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let me!! ( coz he says ive got to wait till he buys one!)..mutter mutter
spicecat
> OOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOO Pls let me know where u will be.. I've seen HC
> jump once before when some kind person used a violet want on him
HC will be performing his artistic and elegant dancing at the next Lash
As well as taking my new Violet Wand for it's inaugural club trip
I will also be introducing the world to my new purple baseball bat
I think we can be sure HC WILL be jumping :)
SpiceCat
James LiGate
> Has anyone found a circiut schematic for on of these things. I bet they're
> really isn't much in there.
I missed the original post and probably some of the replies due to the
holidays (my news server has a very shallow history). My apologies if
this has already been addressed.
Before going on I'll say that, given you can buy a true dual channel
TENS unit (not one channel with two level controls and outputs) for
under $100 these days, there isn't much incentive to build your own...
unless you're just into the joy of electronics or have some special
ideas you want to implement.
In general you're right: There really isn't much in there. Start with a
variable frequency astable multivibrator to give you an continuous pulse
wave. The output of that goes to one side of a step-up transformer.
Pull a signal from the other side of the transformer, run it through a
rheostat or potentiometer, and go from their to your victim.
Congratulations, you can now zap them.
Now build a second, much slower speed but still variable-frequency AND
variable duty cycle astable multivibrator. Use this to gate the first
one. Now you can zap your victim with trains of pulses at different
rates and durations.
As far as I can tell, the above describes the vast majority of TENS
units on the market today. Medical-use devices tend to develop very
specific waveforms supposedly optimized for pain relief, but as that's
not what we're about :o) that's not really an issue. Instead of gating
the primary waveform on and off, some apply amplitude modulation and use
sawtooth or triangle waves or what-have-you to modulate the signal.
Different sensations, but not essential.
The critical thing is to build a circuit that won't die on you, and such
that your victim won't, either. Many portable TENS units run from a
single 9V battery and use about a 1:10 step-up transformer, so that
gives you an idea of the output voltage range you're after. You can use
a single dual 555 and, with a few passive components added, easily build
a simple TENS-like unit in a weekend (presuming you're good at building
electronic gizmos).
You'll probably be hard-pressed to find a suitable transformer at Radio
Shack (though you can most likely find everything else you'll need
there). There are ready sources, though. In fact Mouser electronics
http://www.mouser.com/ carries (or at least used to carry) the exact
transformer used in the PES Electo-Stimulator. Digi-Key
http://www.digikey.com/ is another good source from which anyone can
buy. Regardless of where you go, look for an audio transformer with
about a 10:1 ratio, a fair breakdown voltage, and reasonable primary and
secondary impedances.
There's way WAY more to it than this -- which is why EEs get paid the
big bucks -- but the above should give you the general idea.
DISCLAIMER AND WARNING: I do not suggest *anyone* experiment with home-
brew electrotoys. TENS units are available inexpensively enough that
there is really little justification for rolling your own, and what you
don't know about electricity and the human body may hurt your partner.
I strongly suggest buying what you want in this area; if you have a DIY
urge, try making a flogger.
Cheers,
James
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battery, to electric toy motor, to secondary of audio transformer, and back
to battery. Now the power that game out of the primary of the transformer
was a good jolt that you couldn't hang on to. Now I could make it DIGITAL..
Now its just the PA part that interests me!
"MasterWoof" <sp...@spam.spam> wrote in message
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Curlyqueue71
> I built a TENS box with a very simple -- downright neolithic -- circuit
>> with one phat transistor, two potentiometers, and a transformer. The
>> pulses it makes are downright primitive, but they get the job done.
>>
I have always been intrigued by the idea of a TENS box. However, today, I
spent an hour with a TENS hooked up to my jaw. I found it mild to moderately
annoying. I can see the appeal though... perhaps on my wobbly bits, it'd have
been a bit more exciting!
Happy New Year to everyone!
Curlyqueue
Masterwoof
<qJIY7.210416$WW.12...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bob K" <gobli...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Thats what I figured. I had built a (device) a long time ago that was, the
> battery, to electric toy motor, to secondary of audio transformer, and back
> to battery. Now the power that game out of the primary of the transformer
> was a good jolt that you couldn't hang on to. Now I could make it DIGITAL.
Not digital, just electronic. The circuit in mine uses a phat transistor
as the switching element where yours used a motor.
The PA is a very good electrode; it places the current right where it's
useful. }: )
--
Masterwoof
curlyq...@aol.com (Curlyqueue71) wrote:
It has this interesting effect on the wobbly bits ... they end up not
wobbly (for a while, anyway).
--
Bob K
it was a twitch machine. I now am interested in its other application. I
am interested in a PA too. I not going to ask for comments about, but will
read any posted so go ahead. But I can't do the $ 100. part and I know I
can put something together.news:masterwoof.spam-81...@typhoon.sonic.net...
Masterwoof
"Bob K" <gobli...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I had used a tens unit a few years ago and all I thought about it was that
> it was a twitch machine. I now am interested in its other application. I
> am interested in a PA too. I not going to ask for comments about, but will
> read any posted so go ahead. But I can't do the $ 100. part and I know I
> can put something together.
Remind me to post the schematic and parts list for my TENS unit. It's
barbarically simple... but I have to go to bed soon.
Bruce Mills
: In article <bCQY7.806$fe1....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
: "Bob K" <gobli...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: > I had used a tens unit a few years ago and all I thought about it was that
: > it was a twitch machine. I now am interested in its other application. I
: > am interested in a PA too. I not going to ask for comments about, but will
: > read any posted so go ahead. But I can't do the $ 100. part and I know I
: > can put something together.
: Remind me to post the schematic and parts list for my TENS unit. It's
: barbarically simple... but I have to go to bed soon.
Don't forget to post the schematic and parts list for your TENS unit...
Masterwoof
aj...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Bruce Mills) wrote:
Thanks for the reminder.
http://www.infernosoft.com/masterwoof/electricity.html