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Michael Zaite

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Dec 23, 2001, 10:06:42 PM12/23/01
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So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking". And a disappointing
"only episode until Football season ends" for me with the shitty Affiliate.
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Larry

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Dec 23, 2001, 11:13:47 PM12/23/01
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:06:42 GMT, "Michael Zaite"
<za...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
>sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking". And a disappointing
>"only episode until Football season ends" for me with the shitty Affiliate.


It was so-so to ok at best. Not a bad episode, but certainly not worth
the wait or postponing.

The irony of "fear brought us all together", which was only
coincidental, was the most memorable part.

Bender did have a great line with:
"Santa's right, what we need is some kind of robot. Ah crap, I'm some
kind of robot."

And Leela:
"Usually when I do stuff like this, the ship moves"

I think the story moved too fast, we never got to see the characters
interact. It seemed like they really had to trim too much to fit the
time frame.


--Larry

Darth Arada

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Dec 24, 2001, 12:04:40 AM12/24/01
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>So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
>sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking".

Oh man, how can these two be given such a bad rating? The majority of the third
season is under those two

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Jym Dyer

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Dec 24, 2001, 2:28:27 AM12/24/01
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=v= I liked a number of things in this one:

o The bicycle gun (but I thought Y3K bikes uses flame
propulsion instead of wheels)
o The shrimpy Neptunians (very _Life_in_Hell_esque)
o It had one of the better songs
o Bender looks good when painted red
o Kwanzaabot (and Hanukkahbot and the Chanukkah Zombie)
o Zoidberg dressed as Jesus

=v= I liked the previous Xmas story a lot more, though. It
had a plot that hung together better, an emotional component,
a tribute to Harold Lloyd, and John Goodman. Santabot had much
better lines last time. This story had its moments, but it
doesn't quite all hang together like the other one, and I think
all the smashing and such (the violence that Fox objected to?)
wasn't animated so well.

=v= The voices seemed slightly off, too, especially Professor
Farnsworth's (or maybe it's because I'm home for the holidays
and watching a different TV). And no John Goodman. :^(
<_Jym_>

P.S.: Weird coincidences with tonight's _Simpsons_, which had
a Santa running amok and jokes about "chicks."

Doug Tabacco

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Dec 24, 2001, 2:47:56 AM12/24/01
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I'm almost certain that was John Goodman...

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Doug Tabacco

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Dec 24, 2001, 2:56:26 AM12/24/01
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Whups... I stand corrected.

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Robert J. Muldoon

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Dec 24, 2001, 3:40:37 AM12/24/01
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John DiMaggio did a good job on Santa's voice. What really surprises me is
that New Orleans was mentioned. Probably a line intended for Goodman (who
lives here). I figured that the Big Easy would have gone the way of Atlanta
by 3001.

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needs to be picked up.


Martin Schmidt

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Dec 24, 2001, 5:31:01 AM12/24/01
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Robert J. Muldoon <nob...@replay.net> wrote:

> John DiMaggio did a good job on Santa's voice. What really surprises
> me is that New Orleans was mentioned. Probably a line intended for
> Goodman (who lives here).

IMO it has to do with the Simpsons' "New Orleans Affair" (they defamed NO
and had to apologize one episode later). Late revenge.


David Gray

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Dec 24, 2001, 5:36:22 AM12/24/01
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Well, it wasn't the best episode ever, but it was the "season premiere"
here in Washington. And it was worth the wait.

Now, if we can just get the playoffs out of the way!

Michael Zaite

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Dec 24, 2001, 2:57:01 PM12/24/01
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> >So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
> >sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking".
>
> Oh man, how can these two be given such a bad rating? The majority of the
third
> season is under those two

Because there seem to have evolved 2 types of futurama fnas, one who liked
episodes like The Honking, and ones who did not. Some like the thin ploted
joke loaded shows and others like shows where the plot takes more precident
then trying to stuff every joke you can into 30 min.

Robert J. Muldoon

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Dec 25, 2001, 1:07:48 AM12/25/01
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<< IMO it has to do with the Simpsons' "New Orleans Affair" (they defamed NO
and had to apologize one episode later). Late revenge. >>

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. However, I still say that that description
was the most accurate this city has ever been given. Seriously. The
"Tacky, overpriced souvenir stores" line clinched it.

--
Sincerely,
Robert J. Muldoon
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"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping
watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon
them, and the glory of the Lord shown round about them. And they were sore
afraid. And the angel said unto them, 'Fear not, for behold, I bring you
tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For unto you is born this
day in the city of David a savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall
be a sign unto you. Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes
lying in a manger.' And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the
heavenly host, praising God and saying, 'Glory to God in the highest, and on
Earth peace, goodwill toward men.'"


Eric S.

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Dec 25, 2001, 7:05:48 AM12/25/01
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Maybe people had high expectations built up over all this time that the
episode couldn't live up to, but my expectations were measured going in. I
knew this was writer Bill Odenkirk's first episode and that the usual sense of
humor in his work does not quite meet the high intellectual standard set by
Futurama. He's more in line with Ben Stiller. So I'd say this one met my
fairly low expectations in the humor department but I was possibly more
thrilled than ever by the great animated action scenes. There were worse
episodes last season that may not have been any less funny than this one but
were snooze-a-ramas in the entertainment department.

It sure was exciting and satisfying to finally get to see this episode after
knowing its fate and that some people already saw it at the San Diego Comic
Con months ago. I'd say it was about as good as the first Christmas episode,
both of which were about or slightly below average for the series, as high as
that average may be. Although I was very entertained by the pyrotechnics of
this one it didn't have much of the kind of humor that makes me laugh out
loud. The plot was thinner and more action-oriented than in some of the great
episodes, like this season's premiere, and the humor was based more on sight
gags and shock value than on satire, with some notable exceptions like the
random number generator countdown. It's funny that the best gag in the
previous Christmas episode also had to do with a clock, where Fry is trying to
hang on to the bars of the giant digital clock's numbers as they change form.
Those were both moments where the show's bold visual style met with the
futuristic theme and parodied action movie cliches at the same time.

But those were rare moments in these episodes. The barrage of quick, violent
shock gags in this one wore out its welcome for me sometime before Bender
knocked down the little girl with the bicycle. I was impressed that this
episode didn't try to fit in an emotional side story, like the first Christmas
episode did rather awkwardly, and instead just went for an all-out action
plot. It's impossible not to love stuff like the rocket getting stuck in the
elevator and Santa grabbing onto the ship only to get melted into the ice by
the engine exhaust, but the jackhammer pace of it all got a bit repetitious
and wore me down after a while. It was one of those Futuramas where it has so
much fun being an actual action/adventure story that it sometimes forgets to
be a parody of one, making it an enjoyable episode but lacking the
multi-layered brilliance of the classic episodes.

On a side note, all through the episode I kept thinking how cool it would be
to have a Santa Robot action figure. A whole line of wind-up Futurama robots
like the Bender they already made and the upcoming Url would be awesome too,
with Robot Santa, the Devil Robot, Clamps, etc.

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Benjamin Robinson

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Dec 26, 2001, 2:11:16 AM12/26/01
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In alt.tv.futurama, on the "Re: X-mas worth it? [3ACV03]" thread, Robert J.
Muldoon wrote:

>What really surprises me is
>that New Orleans was mentioned. Probably a line intended for Goodman (who
>lives here). I figured that the Big Easy would have gone the way of Atlanta
>by 3001.

Nah -- too good of a party town. People will probably fight to protect it
from the space aliens, or whatever. Atlanta was sunk because it had the
opposite problem. People of the future thought it was too boring and
nondescript, so the city moved to an island loaded up on tourist attractions
until it sunk beneath the weight.
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Benjamin Robinson

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Dec 26, 2001, 2:11:17 AM12/26/01
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In alt.tv.futurama, on the "X-mas worth it?" thread, Michael Zaite wrote:

>So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
>sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking".

Really? I liked it better than "The Honking." The minature Neptunians were
a hoot (I expected more to be made of the constant hand-holding, though),
and I liked all the action sequences. I don't know if any episode could be
worth a one-year wait, but I'm glad that Fox did eventually get around to
showing it.

Robert J. Muldoon

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Dec 26, 2001, 2:38:58 AM12/26/01
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<< Nah -- too good of a party town. People will probably fight to protect
it from the space aliens, or whatever. Atlanta was sunk because it had the
opposite problem. >>

I meant that because we're twenty feet below sea level. We look UP to see
ships go by on the Mississippi River. A major hurricane would decimate the
city and kill thousands. Well, I guess they'd fight for it anyway. We
humans seem to adore sex and drinking, and that's what this city is all
about.

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Sincerely,
Robert J. Muldoon
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OmegaMan

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Dec 27, 2001, 3:36:17 PM12/27/01
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Michael Zaite wrote:
>
> So who thought this episode was worth the one year wait? I thought it was
> sub standandard, right down there with "The Honking". And a disappointing
> "only episode until Football season ends" for me with the shitty Affiliate.
> --

I thought it was a terrible episode. Very mean spirited.
No wonder Fox held off so long in airing it. Let's get
back to the fun, good spirited episodes now that this
crap is out of the way.


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Larry

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Dec 28, 2001, 1:58:22 AM12/28/01
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:36:17 -0700, OmegaMan <omeg...@hair.net>
wrote:

>
>I thought it was a terrible episode. Very mean spirited.
>No wonder Fox held off so long in airing it. Let's get
>back to the fun, good spirited episodes now that this
>crap is out of the way.


I expect Bender to be totally heartless, but not Leela. The way she
treated the neptunians seemed very out of character. Also, when Fry is
mean it's usually because he's stupid and thoughtless, not
intentionally mean.

I think they could have made the episode with them being more in
character and it would have worked better.

--Larry

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