"Numbers to be patentable"
Lassi Hippeläinen
announced that from now on it will consider ‘serious’ applications to
patent specific integer numbers."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34148.html
Note that only 'serious' applications will be considered. The procedure
will include a personal visit to the examiner. Those who can't keep a
straight face will be rejected.
-- Lassi
Mok-Kong Shen
The integer numbers that are of the greatest importance
and hence most worthy of patenting are obviously 0 and 1.
Let these be patented and barely anyone would be able to
do computations with his computer without paying license
fees. What a nice world that would be :-)
M. K. Shen
kurt wismer
better yet, i think i should patent a reasonable set of negative
integers... then the bank can pay me when i go into overdraft...
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"Lassi Hippeläinen" <lahi...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid> wrote in message
news:3FC20E89...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid...
> "In a move that has surprised naļve observers, the US Patent Office has
How do you invent an integer? Sure you could invent an algorithm [e.g. DH
over safe primes] but a specific integer?
This is obviously a hoax as USPTO can't possibly be this stupid.
Tom
Eirik Seim
[snip]
> This is obviously a hoax
Possibly.
> as SPTO can't possibly be this stupid.
Oh, I wouldn't be to sure about that.
- Eirik
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Roger Schlafly
> > "In a move that has surprised naīve observers, the US Patent Office has
> > announced that from now on it will consider 'serious' applications to
> > patent specific integer numbers."
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34148.html
> over safe primes] but a specific integer?
> This is obviously a hoax as USPTO can't possibly be this stupid.
The story is a hoax because the USPTO already decided to allow patents
on integers about 10 years ago. I received such a patent myself, as reported
in this news story:
Roger Schlafly has just succeeded in doing something no other
mathematician has ever done: he has patented a number.
http://www.simson.net/clips/95.ScientificAmerican.PrimePat.txt
I.M.A Troll
>> Lassi Hippeläinen wrote:
"hungry people don't stay hungry for long
Sure they do, usually all their lives.
they get hope from fire and smoke as the weak grow strong
They only burn themselves.
they get hope from fire and smoke as they reach for the dawn"
They don't reach for anything. That's why they're hungry in the first
place.
Jan Panteltje
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<lahi...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid> wrote in
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I patent 0 and 1 and all of the binary world is now mine.
Thank you :-)
Jan Panteltje
<tomst...@iahu.ca> wrote in
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>
>"Lassi Hippeläinen" <lahi...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid> wrote in message
>news:3FC20E89...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid...
>> "In a move that has surprised naïve observers, the US Patent Office has
>> announced that from now on it will consider 'serious' applications to
>> patent specific integer numbers."
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34148.html
>>
>> Note that only 'serious' applications will be considered. The procedure
>> will include a personal visit to the examiner. Those who can't keep a
>> straight face will be rejected.
>
>How do you invent an integer? Sure you could invent an algorithm [e.g. DH
>over safe primes] but a specific integer?
>
>This is obviously a hoax as USPTO can't possibly be this stupid.
>
>Tom
Integers is simple, but now I come in:
'I want to patent Pi'.
'OK sir, just write the number down here on this form'.
Phil Carmody
Did Roger Schlafly have a straight face in the mid-90s?
He can answer that himself.
Phil
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Lassi Hippeläinen
>
> Lassi Hippeläinen wrote:
> >
Microsoft has did it already in 1998:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html
-- Lassi
P.S. My sources are as reliable as the Internet itself...
John Savard
wrote, in part:
>Mok-Kong Shen wrote:
>> Lassi Hippeläinen wrote:
>>
By *serious* applications, they mean, for example, patents on really
big numbers that have special properties... say, like a Sophie Germain
prime, but somehow better or unique.
After all, you can't patent a number unless you have a *new* use for
it that no one thought of before, and your patent won't interfere with
normal and established arithmetical activities.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
Joseph Reuter
> Microsoft has did it {patenting 0 and 1) already in 1998:
> http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html
>
> -- Lassi
>
> P.S. My sources are as reliable as the Internet itself...
ROTFLMHO.
I think it would fall to a "prior publication" challenge, say
Peterson, W. Wesley and Weldon, E.J., Jr,
_Error Correcting Codes_, MIT Press (1961),
or perhaps
Von Neumann, et al, circa 1947
Leibnetz, Germany, 1647,
Impar Go Fi, China, circa 4000 B.C.E.
Also, prior art.
From 1936-1945, Konrad Zuse built a series of computers (Z1-Z4)
which used binary floating-point arithmetic but did not have
stored programs.
Joseph Reuter
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Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who understand history are still doomed to repeat it.
I think we're screwed.
Marcel Martin
>
> Lassi Hippel盲inen <lahi...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid> writes:
>
> > "In a move that has surprised n茂ve observers, the US Patent Office has
> > announced that from now on it will consider 聭serious聮 applications to
> > patent specific integer numbers."
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34148.html
> >
> > Note that only 'serious' applications will be considered. The procedure
> > will include a personal visit to the examiner. Those who can't keep a
> > straight face will be rejected.
>
> Did Roger Schlafly have a straight face in the mid-90s?
> He can answer that himself.
The most surrealist is "The procedure will include a personal visit
to the examiner". This is no more the idea which will be patented
but the look of the applicant's face. No, I am kidding. Concretely,
it will improve things since it will make pressure or corruption
easier (at least, this way, one will immediately know who one has to
deal with).
From a non-American point of view, one really wonders whether, this
year, there is not a kind of competition between US politicians...
mm
Lassi Hippeläinen
>
> Phil Carmody a 閏rit :
> >
> > Lassi Hippel盲inen <lahi...@ieee.orgasm-research.invalid> writes:
> >
> > > "In a move that has surprised n茂ve observers, the US Patent Office has
> > > announced that from now on it will consider 聭serious聮 applications to
> > > patent specific integer numbers."
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34148.html
> > >
> > > Note that only 'serious' applications will be considered. The procedure
> > > will include a personal visit to the examiner. Those who can't keep a
> > > straight face will be rejected.
> >
> > Did Roger Schlafly have a straight face in the mid-90s?
> > He can answer that himself.
>
> The most surrealist is "The procedure will include a personal visit
> to the examiner". This is no more the idea which will be patented
> but the look of the applicant's face. No, I am kidding. Concretely,
> it will improve things since it will make pressure or corruption
> easier (at least, this way, one will immediately know who one has to
> deal with).
Gotha ;-)
The inspection part was my interpretation of the requirements. How else
can you make sure the application is 'serious'? (From Roger Schlafly's
own response I got the impression that he might not have passed that
test...)
> From a non-American point of view, one really wonders whether, this
> year, there is not a kind of competition between US politicians...
>
> mm
There's always a competition between politicians. Countries are run only
as an accidental consequence.
-- Lassi
Roger Schlafly
> The most surrealist is "The procedure will include a personal visit
> to the examiner".
This is not a ridiculous as it sounds. There are many patent agents
who believe that is the best to get a marginal patent. One can make
an appointment with the USPTO examiner, and tell him with a
straight face that the invention is real.
In the case of patent applications on perpetual motion machines,
the USPTO procedure is to ask for such a visit. The inventor is
also supposed to bring a working model for the examiner to see.
Marcel Martin
>
> "Marcel Martin" <m...@ellipsa.no.spam.net> wrote
> > The most surrealist is "The procedure will include a personal visit
> > to the examiner".
>
> This is not a ridiculous as it sounds.
I didn't mean it is riculous. I meant it is dangerous. That kind of
personal contact makes easier threat and corruption. The applicant
doesn't deal with anonymous people of some administration but with
someone in particular.
BTW, since we are talking about software patents, Apple, Dell,
Microsoft and Intel just 'asked' to the European Commission, via
EICTA, to suppress the amendments limiting software patentability
voted on 09/24 by the European Parliament. Be sure that most
European peoples, who will be aware of it, will appreciate that
American companies are lobbying their elected representatives.
mm
Jan Panteltje
<m...@ellipsa.no.spam.net> wrote in <3FC6A43C...@ellipsa.no.spam.net>:
They are trying to kill open source and GPL.
I will **** Gates if he walks into my place.
If that bastard steals (this way) open source soft I wrote, I will go
there and **** *** ******.
Apple is just a pipe dream of S.Jobs, Dell does not write any soft for all I
know, so they should shut up, Intel the same.
Anyways If open source soft writing becomes impossible I will have to move to
designing missiles, perhaps targeting REDMOND.
The electronics will be open source of cause...
Open source HARDWARE.
Anyways, patenting soft will kill any small company designing for example
embedded things.
Sales of embedded processors will drop to zero (good for Intel), all its
associated components too.
You cellphone wil run MS Windows and show a blue screen whenever you need
it....
It will very severely hamper European technology advancement.
Billy the Kid and the rest of that clan of cause wants European
destabilization.
But a few more years and we have 2 dollars for the Euro, and we can buy
them easier then they can buy us.
Now for the rant:
Bradley Bungmunch
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>
> On a sunny day (Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:26:20 +0100) it happened Marcel Martin
> <m...@ellipsa.no.spam.net> wrote in <3FC6A43C...@ellipsa.no.spam.net>:
> >Microsoft and Intel just 'asked' to the European Commission, via
> >EICTA, to suppress the amendments limiting software patentability
> >voted on 09/24 by the European Parliament. Be sure that most
> >European peoples, who will be aware of it, will appreciate that
> >American companies are lobbying their elected representatives.
> >
> I will **** Gates if he walks into my place.
> If that bastard steals (this way) open source soft I wrote, I will go
> there and **** *** ******.
Without going so far, it is true that one can really wonder why Bill
Gates absolutely wants to become richer than Bill Gates.
Being said that, I believe that the danger (for the Europe) doesn't
come from American companies, at least not directly, but rather from
an European lobby of rotten lawyers [*].
The fact that the only goal of big companies (American or not) is to
make money by all means is not really a scoop [**]. The true problem
is the lobby of European lawyers who claim they want to 'harmonize'
our legislation with the US one. Concretely what they want, because
this is a way to increase their earnings, would lead to kill the
European software industry. 2/3 of the software patents illegaly
sold by the EPO (European Patent Office) were sold to American and
Japanese companies. Legalizing these patents would be catastrophic
for the European software companies, especially for the smallest
ones which are the most numerous.
[*] 'rotten lawyer' is correct. Due to a few exceptions, this
expression cannot be regarded as a pleonasm.
[**] Moreover, since a few months, it is sufficient that the US insist
on something so that most people in the world immediatly want to do
the contrary. So, in fact, the pro-patent US pressure is rather a good
thing (but don't tell them).
Not to be totally off-topic.
Next week, I will upload on my site an executable, ECB, that generates
elliptic curves over GF(2^n) using the so-called Complex Multiplication.
The generated curves can be used to test and/or to debug crypto
programs. It will be freeware (but, due to this progress tool called
software patent, its use will be forbidden in Canada, in Japan and in
the USA).
mm