Serious thought from joke email list
Wayne S Garmil
one think...
Observations by a Senior Citizen
----------------------------------
Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable
deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take
responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT,
upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the
senior citizens who took:
The melody out of music,
The pride out of appearance,
The romance out of love,
The commitment out of marriage,
The responsibility out of parenthood,
The togetherness out of the family,
The learning out of education,
The service out of patriotism,
The religion out of school,
The Golden Rule from rulers,
The nativity scene out of cities,
The civility out of behavior,
The refinement out of language,
The dedication out of employment,
The prudence out of spending, or
The ambition out of achievement,
And we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and
tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!!
Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
Banner? Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride
in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their
hearts!
Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person wondering
what the heck happened!
Wayne
--
_ __ _ __ | I see the girls walk by dressed in
' ) / // / / ) / | their summer clothes; I have to turn
/ / / o // __/ / __. __ __/ | my head until my darkness goes...
(_(_/ <_</_(_/ (__/ (_/|_/ (_(_/_ | -Rolling Stones, "Paint It Black"
Lily the Coffee Freak
> Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> Banner?
Yes. Sheesh.
--
Lily
Goddess of Java
"Wayne S Garmil" <wga...@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:Gv4u0...@world.std.com...
Noel's eyes narrow. "Sure does make me think..... Yep. Sure does. At 50
years old, we're looking at my parents generation. While *I* did grow up in
Leave it to Beaver land, my parents generation is the generation where
divorce skyrocketed, where family togetherness started being replaced by
dual career families and what have you.
"If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I find
that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I am in
my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of Youth Today.
Dammit."
--
Noel , Goddess of Java, Axe of the BABs,
Mum to They Who Wake the Giants
Early and She Who Truly Groks Coffee.
Tony Hursh
> upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the
> senior citizens who took:
>
> The melody out of music,
Arnold Schönberg?
> The pride out of appearance,
Albert Einstein?
> The romance out of love,
Don't really know what they're talking about here, unless
"love" is a euphemism for "sex". If so, sex without
romance has been around forever.
> The commitment out of marriage,
Bob Dole?
> The responsibility out of parenthood,
Joan Crawford?
> The togetherness out of the family,
B.F. Skinner?
> The learning out of education,
I'd imagine the people who perpetrated Dick and
Jane are seniors by now.
> The service out of patriotism,
What?
> The religion out of school,
Madeline Murray O'Hair, born in 1919.
> The Golden Rule from rulers,
Hitler? Stalin? Robespierre?
> The nativity scene out of cities,
See above.
> The civility out of behavior,
WWII? The Ku Klux Klan?
> The refinement out of language,
23-Skiddoo?
> The dedication out of employment,
Yeah, it's a pity that those darned employees
got uppity and started switching jobs when
they saw it was to their advantage. Of course
we won't go into company loyalty to the
employees.
> The prudence out of spending, or
1920s stock market bubble?
> The ambition out of achievement,
What?
> And we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and
> tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!!
In my experience seniors tend to be just as rude and cranky as
anyone else. Maybe a bit more so (and that's not a criticism,
it's understandable that a person gets testy when they've
got arthritis pain or some such).
Anisoptera
"Tony Hursh" <a...@acm.org> wrote in message
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>
<snip of fabulous rebuttal of utter crap>
Thanks for saying this Tony. May I buy your next one?
Margaret
not impressed by her parents and grandparents but impressed by her
nephews and niece.
Lee S. Billings
>
>The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
>one think...
Yes, it does. It makes one think, "Why is this included?"
> The religion out of school,
Religion never belonged *in* school in the first place; it's the responsibility
of the individual parents.
Celine (who will probably get a dozen copies of this crap from clueless e-mail
acquaintances)
--
"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."
-- Diane Duane, _Nightfall at Algemron_
Miche
<goddes...@ourlittlequad.com> wrote:
> "If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I find
> that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I am
> in
> my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of Youth
> Today.
> Dammit."
One of the earliest pieces of writing known is about the State of Youth
Today.
Miche
--
And you may say to yourself "Well -- how did I get here?"
-- Talking Heads, _Once in a Lifetime_
Miche
I don't, but then I'm not American.
And I imagine Bill Gawne does, having spent the upside of 20 years in
uniform, and he's not 50 yet.
Gene Szedenits, Jr.
"Goddess of Java" <goddes...@ourlittlequad.com> wrote in message
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> "Wayne S Garmil" <wga...@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:Gv4u0...@world.std.com...
[snip some sanctimonious nonsense]
> "If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I find
> that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I am
in
> my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of Youth
Today.
> Dammit."
Maybe not. Fifty is heaving into view for me and I am not
especially horrified by the SOYT. Not especially impressed
either. Not much change from when I was part of the SOYT.
Gene, very soytain
Shmuel A. Kahn
> Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person wondering
> what the heck happened!
I wasn't going to add anything to this thread, as it has already been said, but
THEN, in the most amazing synchronicity (had me LOL-ing), just as I finished the
thread the radio started playing ...
We Don't Need NO Education !!
AKA Pink-Floyds' Another Brick in the Wall. Then it totally HIT ME -- Having been
born in 1943, Roger Waters is a Senior Citizen!! (Please no one tell him I said
so). So lets' stop the whining from the geriatric ward <wink> implied in the OPs'
email.
Shmuel the Kahn man
Crossfire
] The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
] one think...
]
]
] Observations by a Senior Citizen
] ----------------------------------
] Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable
] deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take
] responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT,
] upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the
] senior citizens who took:
]
] The melody out of music,
] The pride out of appearance,
[etc]
However, they have managed to put the trite back into writing. *bleah*
(And that's a comment on the writing, folks, not the sentiment.)
--
Jon "Crossfire" Reid, who expects to get this darling little piece of
saccarine in his inbox at some point....
jon <at> apeiros <dot> com (DeSPAM the Reply-To) - http://www.apeiros.com/~jon
Martin DeMello
> one think...
Makes me think, all right :) To be precise, it makes me think of Frank
Hayes's "When I was a Boy" (http://www.smacdonald.com/songs/boy.html).
So...
When I was a youth, all our music
Was much more melodious than loud
And we may not have had much appearance
But of that which we did, we were proud!
And our loving was always romantic
And a marriage assured we'd commit
And a parent would act with responsibility
And families stayed closely knit
And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse
Barefoot, uphill each way
And we spent all our time there in *learning*
Except for the bits where we'd pray
And we lined up to serve our great nation
And its standards of justice and truth
And our rulers adhered to the Golden Rule
When I was a youth
Yes, when I was a youth, every city
Could boast a nativity scene
Our behaviour was perfectly civil
And our English harked back to the Queen
And employees displayed dedication
And our spending was prudently low
And I'd say our achievements were full of ambition
But what that might mean, I don't know
And we all sang the Star Spangled Banner
Standing, hands on our hearts
And our personal dealings saw patience
And tolerance raised into arts
And we watched as the next generation
Grew decadent, loud and uncouth
And we wondered what happened to that golden era
When I was a youth
(copyright 2002 Martin DeMello)
--
Martin DeMello/zem
Tony Hursh
> Thanks for saying this Tony. May I buy your next one?
Thanks. I'll have a Black Bush and Guinness boilermaker.
Lily the Coffee Freak
>
> "Tony Hursh" <a...@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:3CC83DD9...@acm.org...
>>
><snip of fabulous rebuttal of utter crap>
>
> Thanks for saying this Tony. May I buy your next one?
And when you've drunk that one, I'll buy your next.
--
Lily
Martin DeMello
>> The pride out of appearance,
> Albert Einstein?
LOL!
[...]
>> The ambition out of achievement,
> What?
My sentiments exactly :)
Excellent rebuttal, too.
--
Martin DeMello/zem
Jiri Baum
>> "If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I find
>> that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I
>> am in my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of
>> Youth Today. Dammit."
Miche:
> One of the earliest pieces of writing known is about the State of Youth
> Today.
"When was that, btw?
"I was looking in my LotR reference the other day, and trying to get some
sort of feel for the ages of Galadriel and Elrond, even Rivendell... What
human achievement is in its 48th century?"
Jiri
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Silicon Shaman
"Martin DeMello" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bravo !! Encore Encore !!
Although I can't help think that the backing music to that should
include the entire laugh track from Gilligans Island !
Silicon Shaman
Miche
wrote:
> Goddess of Java:
> >> "If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I
> >> find
> >> that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I
> >> am in my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of
> >> Youth Today. Dammit."
>
> Miche:
> > One of the earliest pieces of writing known is about the State of Youth
> > Today.
>
> "When was that, btw?
Dunno, I think this particular one was from one of the Ancient Greek
scholars.
The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
> "I was looking in my LotR reference the other day, and trying to get some
> sort of feel for the ages of Galadriel and Elrond, even Rivendell... What
> human achievement is in its 48th century?"
4800 years? That's a bloody long time.
Jiri Baum
>> "I was looking in my LotR reference the other day, and trying to get
>> some sort of feel for the ages of Galadriel and Elrond, even
>> Rivendell... What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
Miche:
> 4800 years?
"A few decades short, if I remember right.
> That's a bloody long time.
"Yup. And Elrond founded it. At the time of LotR, he's about 6600 y.o."
Frank Schmidt
Have you listened to the rest of the song? I'm not sure whether it
was originally one or two songs, but I remember the text:
"When I was young and went to school, there were certain teachers
who would hurt the children any way they could,
by pouring their derision upon everything we did,
exposing every weakness however careful hidden by the kids.
But in the town it was well known when they got home at night
their fat and psychopathic wives would trash them
within inches of their lives.
We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control,
no dark sarcasm in the classrooms.
Teacher, leave the kids alone! Hey, teacher, leave us kids alone!
All in all you're just another brick in the wall!"
Real education should open the students' minds for the world.
The song is clearly about the opposite.
Frank
Miche
wrote:
> Jiri:
> >> "I was looking in my LotR reference the other day, and trying to get
> >> some sort of feel for the ages of Galadriel and Elrond, even
> >> Rivendell... What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
>
> Miche:
> > 4800 years?
>
> "A few decades short, if I remember right.
>
> > That's a bloody long time.
>
> "Yup. And Elrond founded it. At the time of LotR, he's about 6600 y.o."
I've just read the Silmarillion. Those ages feel about right. No
wonder the world started to feel old after the Rings' influence faded.
Juliet Kemp
> Wayne S Garmil <wga...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
>> one think...
>
> Makes me think, all right :) To be precise, it makes me think of Frank
> Hayes's "When I was a Boy" (http://www.smacdonald.com/songs/boy.html).
Apropos the verse:
"And you kids who complain that the World Wide Web
Is too slow oughtta cut out your bitchin',
'Cuz when I was a boy every packet
Was delivered by carrier pigeon"
- see http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
:-)
> So...
>
> When I was a youth, all our music
> Was much more melodious than loud
<snip>
Bravo! BOYC?
Juliet
Firesong
wrote:
>"Shmuel A. Kahn" <shmuel@kam-motion_SHPAM.com> wrote in message news:<3CC87FAE.7060508@kam-motion_SHPAM.com>...
>> Wayne S Garmil wrote:
>>
>> > Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person
>> > wondering what the heck happened!
>
>> I wasn't going to add anything to this thread, as it has already
>> been said, but THEN, in the most amazing synchronicity (had me
>> LOL-ing), just as I finished the thread the radio started playing
>> ...
>> We Don't Need NO Education !!
>>
>> AKA Pink-Floyds' Another Brick in the Wall. Then it totally HIT ME
>> -- Having been born in 1943, Roger Waters is a Senior Citizen!!
>> (Please no one tell him I said so). So lets' stop the whining from
>> the geriatric ward <wink> implied in the OPs' email.
>>
>> Shmuel the Kahn man
>
>Have you listened to the rest of the song? I'm not sure whether it
>was originally one or two songs, but I remember the text:
It's two (or three) The education one is "The Wall (Part 2)". The
first is mother and the third is woman/wife. All seen to be a
contributing factor to mental breakdown by the author.
But yes, he wasn't complaining about education, he was complaining
about the education establiedshment ("Wrong, do it again!")
Firesong
--
The pornography of violence of course far exceeds, in volume and general
acceptance, sexual
pornography, in this Puritan land of ours. Exploiting the apocalypse, selling
the holocaust, is a
pornography...
-- Ursula Le Guin, "Dancing at the Edge of t
http://www.firesong.co.uk
Shmuel A. Kahn
> "Shmuel A. Kahn" <shmuel@kam-motion_SHPAM.com> wrote in message news:<3CC87FAE.7060508@kam-motion_SHPAM.com>...
>
>>AKA Pink-Floyds' Another Brick in the Wall. Then it totally HIT ME
>>-- Having been born in 1943, Roger Waters is a Senior Citizen!!
>>(Please no one tell him I said so). So lets' stop the whining from
>>the geriatric ward <wink> implied in the OPs' email.
> Have you listened to the rest of the song? I'm not sure whether it
> was originally one or two songs, but I remember the text:
It's two songs. The one we both quoted is the second part (the first dealing with
his father who was killed in WW-II).
> Real education should open the students' minds for the world.
> The song is clearly about the opposite.
Yes of course. I know that. The Wall has always been one of my favorite albums for
exactly those reasons -- I VERY much identified with it.
THAT is why I mentioned it. The email quoted in the OP said "BUT, upon reflection,
we would like to point out that it was NOT the senior citizens who took:" <long
list snipped>. The point I was trying to make was this very album, written 23
years ago by Roger Waters (born 1943), was a strong rebuttal of most of points of
complaint, in the original list. If Waters felt this way about HIS teachers, and
other sentiments in the album, then its' been going on much longer, and can hardly
be blamed on us "young ones".
Shmuel the Kahn man, born circa 1971.
Bill Gawne
> > > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> > > Banner?
> >
> > Yes. Sheesh.
Miche replied:
> I don't, but then I'm not American.
>
> And I imagine Bill Gawne does, having spent the upside of 20 years in
> uniform, and he's not 50 yet.
"That's true," Bill smiles at the diminuitive Kiwi. "I'll be
48 in July."
"As for the words to the US National Anthem, yeah, I can sing
them all. All the way through 'And thus be it ever, when
free men shall stand...' But then, living in and around
Baltimore, you can read the words off the sides of buildings
while stopped at traffic lights. It was written aboard a
ship out in the harbor, and there's a marker bouy riding out
there at the spot even today. The city takes its connection
to the song seriously."
"I also know a few parodies..." he grins.
--
Bill Gawne, in Callahan's as in real life. <ga...@pha.jhu.edu>
Astronomer at Large - Retired Master Sergeant USMCR - Nothing I
post represents an official position of any organization.
On the web: http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne
Bill Gawne
> The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
"For a good time see Ki-Innana at the Temple of Ishtar?"
Gene Szedenits, Jr.
"Jiri Baum" <ji...@baum.com.au> wrote in message
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[snippage]
>What
> human achievement is in its 48th century?"
The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
Gene
Firesong
<fire...@firesong.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>It's two (or three) The education one is "The Wall (Part 2)". The
>first is mother and the third is woman/wife. All seen to be a
>contributing factor to mental breakdown by the author.
>
>But yes, he wasn't complaining about education, he was complaining
>about the education establiedshment ("Wrong, do it again!")
>
>Firesong
>
Following self up.
Another Brick in the Wall Part 1 (Waters)
Daddy's flown across the ocean
Leaving just a memory
Snapshot in the family album
Daddy what else did you leave for me?
Daddy, what'd'ja leave behind for me?!?
All in all it was just a brick in the wall.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.
"You! Yes, you! Stand still laddy!"
Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 (Waters)
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
"Wrong, Do it again!"
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
Another Brick in the Wall Part 3 (Waters)
[Sound of many TV's coming on, all on different channels]
"The Bulls are already out there"
Pink: "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgh!"
"This Roman Meal bakery thought you'd like to know."
I don't need no arms around me
And I dont need no drugs to calm me.
I have seen the writing on the wall.
Don't think I need anything at all.
No! Don't think I'll need anything at all.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.
All in all you were all just bricks in the wall.
Firesong
--
Do unto others, then run.....................
http://www.firesong.co.uk
Larisa
> > Banner?
>
> Yes. Sheesh.
All 4 stanzas, even.
LM
Jiri Baum
>>What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
"Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
"Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
they are dead monuments."
NYLurker
> Miche:
>
> > The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
>
> "For a good time see Ki-Innana at the Temple of Ishtar?"
(A whisper comes down from the rafters:)
Even more likely - "I hate my job!"
Matthew Russotto
>Jiri Baum:
>>>What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
>
>Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
>> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
>
>"Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
>
>"Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
>they are dead monuments."
Look at all humanity has accomplished since. Compare that to Middle
Earth, which has apparently been in continuous decline since the Good
Old Days of the Numenoreans.
Though perhaps in the South, progress was being made; we don't know much
about it except it allied with Sauron.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
=====
Every time you buy a CD, a programmer is kicked in the teeth.
Every time you buy or rent a DVD, a programmer is kicked where it counts.
Every time they kick a programmer, 1000 users are kicked too, and harder.
A proposed US law called the CBDTPA would ban the PC as we know it.
This is not a joke, not an exaggeration. This is real.
http://www.cryptome.org/broadbandits.htm
Larisa
Never Were". Can't remember the author. It debunks a lot of the
myths of the '50's as some golden age where every family was
functional and everyone was happy.
And may I remind the populace that it was the senior citizens who...
prevented women from working or owning property (or voting)
prevented racial minorities from holding certain jobs or living in
certain places - how's that for civil behavior?
persecuted religious minorities (what do you think that "Nativity
scene" comment was about?)
persecuted gays and lesbians
polluted the environment with impunity (pesticides, big cars, all
sorts of industrial waste)
allowed men to beat their wives (so much for family togetherness)
and many other problems which were left to this generation - us - to
correct.
LM
wga...@world.std.com (Wayne S Garmil) wrote in message news:<Gv4u0...@world.std.com>...
> The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
> one think...
>
>
> Observations by a Senior Citizen
> ----------------------------------
> Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable
> deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take
> responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT,
> upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the
> senior citizens who took:
>
> The melody out of music,
> The pride out of appearance,
> The romance out of love,
> The commitment out of marriage,
> The responsibility out of parenthood,
> The togetherness out of the family,
> The learning out of education,
> The service out of patriotism,
> The religion out of school,
> The Golden Rule from rulers,
> The nativity scene out of cities,
> The civility out of behavior,
> The refinement out of language,
> The dedication out of employment,
> The prudence out of spending, or
> The ambition out of achievement,
>
> And we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and
> tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!!
>
> Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> Banner? Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride
> in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their
> hearts!
>
> Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person wondering
> what the heck happened!
>
>
> Wayne
Jai Rose
the first verse. In my defense (since most of my primary education was
in the DC area), it has been quite a while since I was in elementary
school.
Jai
"There are three ways to get something done: Do it yourself, hire
someone, or forbid your kids to do it." Monta Crane
Miche
russ...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
> In article <a5vbaa...@10.0.0.1>, Jiri Baum <ji...@baum.com.au> wrote:
> >Jiri Baum:
> >>>What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
> >
> >Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
> >> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
> >
> >"Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
> >
> >"Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
> >they are dead monuments."
>
> Look at all humanity has accomplished since. Compare that to Middle
> Earth, which has apparently been in continuous decline since the Good
> Old Days of the Numenoreans.
>
> Though perhaps in the South, progress was being made; we don't know much
> about it except it allied with Sauron.
Exactly.
Things were sposed to get better now after they installed a Proper King
on the throne of Gondor, though.
EHursh
"Kilroy was here."
--
Ellen K. Hursh
"Hard centers, soft centers... I like *all* the chocolates in the box."
--Carla, "Better Than Chocolate"
Jiri Baum
>>>>What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
>>Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
>>> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
>>"Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
>>"Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
>>they are dead monuments."
Matthew Russotto:
> Look at all humanity has accomplished since.
"Precisely. The age of Rivendell is difficult to picture in human terms.
"Elrond's even more so - the vast mosaic of recorded civillisation, with
its myths and tales, hopes, wars, victories and defeats, that entire vista
must be set against it, and it falls short.
"At least Rivendell's founding corresponds to Ancient Egypt, of which we
know a little. Still the vastness of time is awesome; and throughout that
time Rivendell prospered, and was a locus of a fair chunk of power.
> Compare that to Middle Earth, which has apparently been in continuous
> decline since the Good Old Days of the Numenoreans.
"It was the waning of the elves, and of ancient magic; but the ascent of
man. One era ends, another begins; 'tis always tinged with the sadness of
that which will be no more.
> Though perhaps in the South, progress was being made; we don't know much
> about it except it allied with Sauron.
"Not really - for the bulk of the time, Sauron was pretty much
non-existent, a mere shadow on the edges of old tales."
John Vinson
>NYLurker wrote:
>
>> Bill Gawne <ga...@pha.jhu.edu> wrote in message news:<3CC969D1...@pha.jhu.edu>...
>> > Miche:
>> >
>> > > The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
>> >
>> > "For a good time see Ki-Innana at the Temple of Ishtar?"
>>
>> (A whisper comes down from the rafters:)
>>
>> Even more likely - "I hate my job!"
>
>"Kilroy was here."
"NO I WASN'T!" - Kilroy
John the Wysard jvinson *at* WysardOfInfo *dot* com
Lee S. Billings
purple...@yahoo.com says...
>
>The book to recommend on this subject, btw, is called "The Way we
>Never Were". Can't remember the author. It debunks a lot of the
>myths of the '50's as some golden age where every family was
>functional and everyone was happy.
Thank you, Larisa! This book is going on my birthday list -- and the rest of
your post has been archived (along with Tony's excellent rebuttal) for the
clueless gits who insist on sending me that tripe.
Celine
--
"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."
-- Diane Duane, _Nightfall at Algemron_
Larisa
> "Goddess of Java" <goddes...@ourlittlequad.com> wrote in message
> news:aa9bmt$950$1...@merrimack.Dartmouth.EDU...
>
> > "Wayne S Garmil" <wga...@world.std.com> wrote in message
> > news:Gv4u0...@world.std.com...
>
> [snip some sanctimonious nonsense]
>
> > "If the kids are carrying this on.... Well, look at our example. I find
> > that some sanctimonious nonsense. The real crock of it is that when I am
> in
> > my fifties, I expect I'll be just as horrified at the State of Youth
> Today.
> > Dammit."
>
>
> especially horrified by the SOYT. Not especially impressed
> either. Not much change from when I was part of the SOYT.
>
> Gene, very soytain
My parental units are in their 60's and I don't hear such tripe from
them. Of course, they're too busy living their own exciting lives to
spend too much time worrying about other people's, young or old.
LM
Steve Smith
> Apropos the verse:
>
> "And you kids who complain that the World Wide Web
> Is too slow oughtta cut out your bitchin',
> 'Cuz when I was a boy every packet
> Was delivered by carrier pigeon"
>
> - see http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
> :-)
Sigh. Just in time to be updated by
ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2549.txt. Such is the world of standards.
--
Steve Smith s...@aginc.net
Agincourt Computing http://www.aginc.net
"Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense."
EHursh
> The book to recommend on this subject, btw, is called "The Way we
> Never Were". Can't remember the author.
Stephanie Coontz.
> It debunks a lot of the
> myths of the '50's as some golden age where every family was
> functional and everyone was happy.
<adds book to list>
Martin DeMello
> Bravo! BOYC?
Thanks :) Coffee and cognac, and will you join me?
--
Martin DeMello/zem
Adam Liebreich-Johnsen
russ...@grace.speakeasy.net wrote on 4/26/02 10:19 AM:
> In article <a5vbaa...@10.0.0.1>, Jiri Baum <ji...@baum.com.au> wrote:
>> Jiri Baum:
>>>> What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
>>
>> Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
>>> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
>>
>> "Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
>>
>> "Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
>> they are dead monuments."
>
> Look at all humanity has accomplished since. Compare that to Middle
> Earth, which has apparently been in continuous decline since the Good
> Old Days of the Numenoreans.
>
> Though perhaps in the South, progress was being made; we don't know much
> about it except it allied with Sauron.
Don't forget at the end of Return of the King, the Shire is going through
the industrial revolution...
--Adam, Bass Trombone Master
--
Woman in grocery store: "Is this matzo Kosher for Passover?
Salesperson: "Oh, don't worry about it. You can take it to your priest and
he'll bless it for you."
Shmuel A. Kahn
> NYLurker wrote:
>
>>>Miche:
>>>
>>>>The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
>>>>
>>>"For a good time see Ki-Innana at the Temple of Ishtar?"
> "Kilroy was here."
Taking Asimovs' explanation for this line ("The Message" (1955)) into account, it
would hardly be the oldest.
Shmuel the Kahn man
Fax Paladin
>
> in article ucj30pf...@corp.supernews.com, Matthew Russotto at
> russ...@grace.speakeasy.net wrote on 4/26/02 10:19 AM:
>
> > In article <a5vbaa...@10.0.0.1>, Jiri Baum <ji...@baum.com.au> wrote:
> >> Jiri Baum:
> >>>> What human achievement is in its 48th century?"
> >>
> >> Gene Szedenits, Jr.:
> >>> The wheel for one. An oldie but a goodie.
> >>
> >> "Not nearly the same kind of thing as Rivendell...
> >>
> >> "Egyptian pyramids are about the right age (some older, some newer); but
> >> they are dead monuments."
> >
> > Look at all humanity has accomplished since. Compare that to Middle
> > Earth, which has apparently been in continuous decline since the Good
> > Old Days of the Numenoreans.
> >
> > Though perhaps in the South, progress was being made; we don't know much
> > about it except it allied with Sauron.
>
> Don't forget at the end of Return of the King, the Shire is going through
> the industrial revolution...
> --Adam, Bass Trombone Master
Which Tolkien considered evidence of further decline -- and which the
Shire is *rescued from* by Frodo and company.
Tolkien, remember, was a medievalist by profession, and held quite
firmly to the medieval idea that there had once been a Golden Age, and
things got progressively worse -- and could only *get* progressively
worse -- from there. The word "progress," especially when capitalized,
was for him an obscenity.
As much as I love LotR, this is one of the things that strongly disturbs
me about it -- the sense that once the elves/gods/Giants Among Men
leave, it can only go downhill. The sense that the best you can do is
keep the status quo, or return to the status quo before that: survival
for the sake of bloody-mindedness. (Which, I suppose, is a longer-term
way of saying "those damn kids today...")
Those Wise Old Ones were sometimes right -- but not always. I prefer
having a future to look forward to. As a friend of mine who lived for a
while in the wilds of Venezuela put it: I *like* having flush toilets...
Fax (not to mention being able to talk to people half a world away about Tolkien)
--
a"} HAVE PUN, WILL TRAVEL |jwa@play -- NEW HOME
/_\ Fax Paladin, Waco |http://home.swbell.net/jwabbott
--------------------------
"It'll all work out." "HOW?!"
"I don't know -- it's a mystery."
Stoppard & Norman, "Shakespeare in Love"
Crossfire
] Miche:
]
]> The very earliest known writing is from Sumeria.
]
] "For a good time see Ki-Innana at the Temple of Ishtar?"
Crossfire kittens his Snapple.
--
Jon "Crossfire" Reid | jon <at> apeiros <dot> com (DeSPAM the Reply-To)
| http://www.apeiros.com/~jon
"What part of our history is reinvented and under rug swept?
What part of your memory is selective and tends to forget?"
-- Alanis Morissette
Wayne S Garmil
Wayne S Garmil <wga...@world.std.com> wrote:
>The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
>one think...
I have noticed that a LOT of people did not like this list. I guess I
just read it in a different context than others are seeing. It was
not my intention to start a wormy discussion, which is what I am
seeing. My apologies to those who felt offended.
Now, can be please get these young kids today to stop listening to all
that noise and put on some real music? And yes, I do know that
people's definition of "modern noise vs music" tend to revolve around
the type of music they listened to in jr and sr high school. Guess
that is just where our musical tastes formed.
Wayne
--
_ __ _ __ | I see the girls walk by dressed in
' ) / // / / ) / | their summer clothes; I have to turn
/ / / o // __/ / __. __ __/ | my head until my darkness goes...
(_(_/ <_</_(_/ (__/ (_/|_/ (_(_/_ | -Rolling Stones, "Paint It Black"
Wayne S Garmil
Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>In article <Gv4u0...@world.std.com>, wga...@world.std.com says...
>>
>> The religion out of school,
>
>responsibility of the individual parents.
Fantastic! Then can we *please* stop doing all that annoying
commericialized Xmas crap during December! And that including giving
kids a week off for vacation for one religions key holiday but
ignoring all the other key holidays of other religions (why is the 10
days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur not a vacation week? That is
just as important to me as Xmas is to other people, and I didn't get
that time off!)
Note that I am agreeing with Celine's statement. And making one of my
pet rants at the same time.
Now excuse me, my current pair of aspestos underwear is wearing out,
time for a new set before reading more the worms I seamed to have
started. I don't know why I read the list I posted with a completely
different viewpoint that other people here seam to have. If I had
known the reations it would have caused, I would never have posted it.
Jette Goldie
"Wayne S Garmil" <wga...@TheWorld.com> wrote
> And that including giving
> kids a week off for vacation for one religions key holiday but
> ignoring all the other key holidays of other religions (why is the 10
> days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur not a vacation week? That is
> just as important to me as Xmas is to other people, and I didn't get
> that time off!)
My employers do not shut for any Public Holiday - we get the
days added to our annual leave allowance and can take whatever
days we want as vacation - so, for example, the "Easter" days
can be *time-shifted* to Beltane/May Day.
I can take my Holidays when the shops, etc, are open <g>
--
Jette
(aka Vinyaduriel)
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
Frank Schmidt
> In article <Gv4u0...@world.std.com>,
> Wayne S Garmil <wga...@world.std.com> wrote:
> > The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list.
> > Makes one think...
No. Makes one react emotionally.
> I have noticed that a LOT of people did not like this list.
> I guess I just read it in a different context than others are
> seeing. It was not my intention to start a wormy discussion,
> which is what I am seeing. My apologies to those who felt
> offended.
It's the wrong way to deal with the problem. Instead of blaming
others for a crisis, we should try to make things better. And
we shouldn't forget that others might disagree what is better
or worse, and have good reasons for it.
Frank
Lee S. Billings
>
>In article <aa9l8v$mlm$7...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>In article <Gv4u0...@world.std.com>, wga...@world.std.com says...
>>>
>>> The religion out of school,
>>
>>Religion never belonged *in* school in the first place; it's the
>>responsibility of the individual parents.
>
>Fantastic! Then can we *please* stop doing all that annoying
>commericialized Xmas crap during December! And that including giving
>kids a week off for vacation for one religions key holiday but
>ignoring all the other key holidays of other religions (why is the 10
>days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur not a vacation week? That is
>just as important to me as Xmas is to other people, and I didn't get
>that time off!)
>
>Note that I am agreeing with Celine's statement. And making one of my
>pet rants at the same time.
You won't get any arguments about that from me. <g>
Actually, what I should more properly have said above is that religion is the
responsibility of the churches *and* the individual parents. In neither case
should it be that of the public schools. Parents who want their children to
have religious education in school need to send them to a church-run school.
Larisa
>
> just read it in a different context than others are seeing. It was
> not my intention to start a wormy discussion, which is what I am
> seeing. My apologies to those who felt offended.
Not offended. Just bemused.
> Now, can be please get these young kids today to stop listening to all
> that noise and put on some real music? And yes, I do know that
> people's definition of "modern noise vs music" tend to revolve around
> the type of music they listened to in jr and sr high school. Guess
> that is just where our musical tastes formed.
<turns off Mozart CD> Now, can we please get these senior citizens
today to stop listening to all that noise and put on some real music?
<turns Mozart CD back on>
And for the record, I am 25 years old.
LM
Jen the Obscure
> Now, can be please get these young kids today to stop listening to all that
> noise and put on some real music? And yes, I do know that people's definition
> of "modern noise vs music" tend to revolve around the type of music they
> listened to in jr and sr high school.
My dad calls my music "music" except for rap, which he calls "noise". I call his
music "music", except for country which I call simply "THAT" and rap which I call
"noise" (for the most part).
My housemate calls all my music "noise"; I call all his music "noise" (which it
is; the loudest, worst jazz one has ever heard). My mom must call some of my
music "noise" in private.
Confused yet?
So nobody in my house likes each other's music (my dad lives out in NM). Quite
interesting when all of us are home at the same time...
Lee S. Billings
says...
>My dad calls my music "music" except for rap, which he calls "noise". I call
>his music "music", except for country which I call simply "THAT" and rap which
>I call "noise" (for the most part).
>
>My housemate calls all my music "noise"; I call all his music "noise" (which
>it is; the loudest, worst jazz one has ever heard). My mom must call some of
>my music "noise" in private.
>
>Confused yet?
>
>So nobody in my house likes each other's music (my dad lives out in NM).
>Quite interesting when all of us are home at the same time...
Headphones are your friends. <g>
John Palmer
Garmil) wrote:
And Wayne, and everyone, this should be a given that I'm
responding to the author of this particular whine, *NOT* to Wayne or
anyone here.
>The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
>one think...
>
>
> Observations by a Senior Citizen
> ----------------------------------
> Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable
> deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary.
Okay, this is untrue on so many levels it doesn't even make a very
good 'bad example', other than the fact that one should not try to
gain sympathy from the intellectually rigorous by lying about how put
down one is. (Want to bet the author complains about 'victimhood'?)
> We know we take
> responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT,
> upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the
> senior citizens who took:
>
> The melody out of music,
I'll bet the seniors of the author's generation think they did.
> The pride out of appearance,
Ditto.
> The romance out of love,
Ditto.
> The commitment out of marriage,
No, in many cases, they thought a woman should stay with a man who
beats her, for example.
> The responsibility out of parenthood,
Wow... only senior citizens can be responsible parents anymore.
> The togetherness out of the family,
Nod... you're not a real family if you're not living together...
> The learning out of education,
Strange... I'm educated, and learned...
> The service out of patriotism,
Wanna bet?
> The religion out of school,
And you have a lot to answer for about that.
> The Golden Rule from rulers,
You *MUST* mean the one that reads "who has the gold, makes the rules"
because if there's ever been a time when rulers followed the golden
rule, it hasn't been taught in history books... including the
ever-so-useful-for-learning ones that you learned from.
> The nativity scene out of cities,
Nor has anyone else... they're all over the place. (Unless you mean
having the city pay for nativity scenes at the expense of others...)
> The civility out of behavior,
Really? Lies, accusations, and piss-poor logic used to dump your
problems on someone else is *CIVIL* behavior?
> The refinement out of language,
(Excuse me... there is now bean burrito all over my monitor from
explosive laughter. How does one use a refined language with so
little skill at making meaningful and truthful statements?)
> The dedication out of employment,
Better look at the seniors in charge of companies... lots of 'em out
there.
> The prudence out of spending, or
Ah, there were no bankruptcies when 'seniors' were younger.
> The ambition out of achievement,
Nor the stereotype out of the platitude, I imagine.
> And we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and
> tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!!
Damn it, I should have stopped eating those bean burritos! At
least what I'll be spewing in private is more pleasing than what's
being spewed here, in public....
> Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> Banner?
That's right! Fighting for what's right, and just, and
important... that's *NOTHING* if you don't know a single poem, set to
the tune of an old drinking song! And it's *TOLERANT* to say this,
because it's not the seniors who eliminated patience or tolerance....
>Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride
> in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their
> hearts!
I don't see any. I *DO* see tears in the eyes of real patriots when
seeing real patriotism, and not meaningless symbolism being lauded
over substance.
> Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person wondering
> what the heck happened!
Lord and Lady, I hope not... not all older people can be that stupid.
--
Everything I needed to know in life, I learned in kindergarten. Like:
Evaluation of the defensive, and retreat, possibilities of your position
is essential. Especially when an angry nun with a metal ruler is
approaching.
Pat Kight
(quoting some lame-ass "joke")
> > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> > Banner?
The Spinster down in the Lounge snorts. "Hell, I'm *over* 50 and I don't
know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner. As anthems go, I've never
much liked it - too war-like.
"I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
> > Remember ... Inside every older person is a younger person wondering
> > what the heck happened!
>
> Lord and Lady, I hope not... not all older people can be that stupid.
The Spinster raises her glass to that.
--Jezebel
who thinks stereotypes suck, and dislikes seeing her own generation
stereotyped just as much as anything.
kig...@peak.org
Adam Liebreich-Johnsen
RStan...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 4/28/02 4:43 PM:
The trombonist in the corner perks up at the mention of jazz. "What kind of
jazz is it, Jen? Traditional or modern, free stuff?" Adam shudders at the
thought of free jazz.
--Adam, Bass Trombone Master
--
"My 'Replace Battery' light is on, what should I do?" from the FAQ on the
website of American Power Conversion, maker of uninterruptible power
supplies for computer equipment
Crossfire
] In article <Gv4u0...@world.std.com>,
] Wayne S Garmil <wga...@world.std.com> wrote:
]>The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
]>one think...
]
] I have noticed that a LOT of people did not like this list. I guess I
] just read it in a different context than others are seeing. It was
] not my intention to start a wormy discussion, which is what I am
] seeing. My apologies to those who felt offended.
Well, for the record, I didn't feel offended, I just thought it was trite.
Most of those things that float around on the 'net have that problem, though.
It's a rare one that is actually original in both sentiment and writing.
Matthew Russotto
Adam Liebreich-Johnsen <swing...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Don't forget at the end of Return of the King, the Shire is going through
>the industrial revolution...
Which Bilbo and Company proceed to halt and reverse. Tolkein was a
Luddite at heart.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
=====
Every time you buy a CD, a programmer is kicked in the teeth.
Every time you buy or rent a DVD, a programmer is kicked where it counts.
Every time they kick a programmer, 1000 users are kicked too, and harder.
A proposed US law called the CBDTPA would ban the PC as we know it.
This is not a joke, not an exaggeration. This is real.
http://www.cryptome.org/broadbandits.htm
Jen the Obscure
> in article 3CCC891E...@worldnet.att.net, Jen the Obscure at
> RStan...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 4/28/02 4:43 PM:
>
> > Wayne S Garmil wrote:
> >
> >> Now, can be please get these young kids today to stop listening to all that
> >> noise and put on some real music? And yes, I do know that people's
> >> definition
> >> of "modern noise vs music" tend to revolve around the type of music they
> >> listened to in jr and sr high school.
> >
> > My dad calls my music "music" except for rap, which he calls "noise". I call
> his
> > music "music", except for country which I call simply "THAT" and rap which I
> call
> > "noise" (for the most part).
> >
> > My housemate calls all my music "noise"; I call all his music "noise" (which it
>
> > is; the loudest, worst jazz one has ever heard). My mom must call some of my
> > music "noise" in private.
> >
> > Confused yet?
> >
> > So nobody in my house likes each other's music (my dad lives out in NM). Quite
> > interesting when all of us are home at the same time...
>
> The trombonist in the corner perks up at the mention of jazz. "What kind of jazz
> is it, Jen? Traditional or modern, free stuff?" Adam shudders at the thought of
> free jazz.
As far as I can tell, it's modern stuff. Some of it seems to be -electronic- jazz,
which doesn't quite make sense...
Punk Panther
wrote:
>In article <3CCC891E...@worldnet.att.net>, RStan...@worldnet.att.net
>says...
>
>>My dad calls my music "music" except for rap, which he calls "noise". I call
>>his music "music", except for country which I call simply "THAT" and rap which
>>I call "noise" (for the most part).
>>
>>My housemate calls all my music "noise"; I call all his music "noise" (which
>>it is; the loudest, worst jazz one has ever heard). My mom must call some of
>>my music "noise" in private.
>>
>>Confused yet?
>>
>>So nobody in my house likes each other's music (my dad lives out in NM).
>>Quite interesting when all of us are home at the same time...
>
>Headphones are your friends. <g>
>
>Celine
As long as you don't turn up the volume.
JJ
* Remove the leash to e-mail! *
Punk Panther
>(Excuse me... there is now bean burrito all over my monitor from
Don't spray glass cleaner directly on the screen! (It dribbles down
and bothers the monsters that sleep there.) :-)
Prophet
> > > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> > > Banner?
>
> The Spinster down in the Lounge snorts. "Hell, I'm *over* 50 and I don't
> know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner. As anthems go, I've never
> much liked it - too war-like.
>
> "I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
>
Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
meaningful.
--
- Marc C. Allain m...@cisunix.unh.edu http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mca
- Native American Cultural Association http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mca/naca.html
Warren Senders
>of
>jazz is it, Jen? Traditional or modern, free stuff?" Adam shudders at the
>thought of free jazz.
Ornette Coleman has written some of the most beautiful melodies
ever; if you're not familiar with his exquisite "Lonely Woman"
that's a real loss. When played by great musicians, so-called "free
jazz" is an engaging, delightful conversation in a vocabulary of
tones, gestures and rhythms.
Lots of the best music in the world isn't structured around a set
of pre-fab chord sequences, y'know.
Warren
Lee S. Billings
jonLU...@MEATapeiros.com says...
>
>On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:23:10 GMT, Wayne S Garmil <wga...@TheWorld.com> wrote:
>
>] In article <Gv4u0...@world.std.com>,
>] Wayne S Garmil <wga...@world.std.com> wrote:
>]>The following came as part of my Joke of the Day email list. Makes
>]>one think...
>]
>] I have noticed that a LOT of people did not like this list. I guess I
>] just read it in a different context than others are seeing. It was
>] not my intention to start a wormy discussion, which is what I am
>] seeing. My apologies to those who felt offended.
>
>Well, for the record, I didn't feel offended, I just thought it was trite.
>Most of those things that float around on the 'net have that problem, though.
>It's a rare one that is actually original in both sentiment and writing.
I thought "snide" was an accurate description, a "See, if you awful young
people would just LISTEN to your betters" sort of thing. That's why I was so
delighted to see Tony provide senior-citizen references for every complaint the
writer was making!
Lee S. Billings
says...
>
>>The trombonist in the corner perks up at the mention of jazz. "What kind
>>of
>>jazz is it, Jen? Traditional or modern, free stuff?" Adam shudders at the
>>thought of free jazz.
>
>Ornette Coleman has written some of the most beautiful melodies
>ever; if you're not familiar with his exquisite "Lonely Woman"
>that's a real loss. When played by great musicians, so-called "free
>jazz" is an engaging, delightful conversation in a vocabulary of
>tones, gestures and rhythms.
How can I put this... when played by *great* musicians, virtually ANY musical
genre is going to sound good. It's how they sound when played by *average*
musicians that's the problem! <g>
I've heard the "no-melody" variety of jazz played by a group of very good
musicians. I could *tell* they were good musicians, the technical quality of
the music was very high. I still didn't care for it. And my personal collection
includes a fair amount of music which is not "structured around a set of
pre-fab chord sequences" -- I like quite a bit of international music, so I do
know how to listen to things that don't sound Western.
Sea Wasp
>
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Pat Kight wrote:
>
> > > > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> > > > Banner?
> >
> > The Spinster down in the Lounge snorts. "Hell, I'm *over* 50 and I don't
> > know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner. As anthems go, I've never
> > much liked it - too war-like.
> >
> > "I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
> >
> Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
> Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
> meaningful.
I'll fight that petition every step of the way, and if I lose, I'll
STILL sing the Star Spangled Banner when they announce the National
Anthem.
--
Sea Wasp
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Jette Goldie
"Pat Kight" <kig...@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3CCCE43B...@peak.org...
> John Palmer wrote:
>
> (quoting some lame-ass "joke")
>
> > > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> > > Banner?
>
> The Spinster down in the Lounge snorts. "Hell, I'm *over* 50 and I don't
> know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner. As anthems go, I've never
> much liked it - too war-like.
It seems that my downstairs neighbour here in Scotland
knows the TUNE of "Star Spangled Banner"...... kind of ;-)
You see, yesterday (Sunday) was his *rehearsal day* -
(he and his friends seem to be musicians) and after some
rather good cool blues, some shaky sounding country
(new female vocalist I think) and a bit of tuning around, they
spent two hours practising that tune. Badly <g>
(fortunately this only happens every couple of months - he's
due to go off on tour next week, going from past experience)
(maybe I'll give him the address of a good set of rehearsal
rooms when he gets back)
Jen the Obscure
True, but the stuff my stepdad listens to sounds like a
computer/stereo/name-appliance-of-your-choice having a *massive* breakdown.
Either that or various instruments were horribly tortured ;-)
Lee S. Billings
Why, IYDMMA?
Celine (who's curious, but doesn't really have a dog in this fight)
Sea Wasp
>
> In article <3CCDBB...@wizvax.net>, sea...@wizvax.net says...
> >
> >Prophet wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Pat Kight wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled
> >> > > > Banner?
> >> >
> >> > The Spinster down in the Lounge snorts. "Hell, I'm *over* 50 and I don't
> >> > know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner. As anthems go, I've never
> >> > much liked it - too war-like.
> >> >
> >> > "I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
> >> >
> >> Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
> >> Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
> >> meaningful.
> >
> > I'll fight that petition every step of the way, and if I lose, I'll
> >STILL sing the Star Spangled Banner when they announce the National Anthem.
>
> Why, IYDMMA?
>
> Celine (who's curious, but doesn't really have a dog in this fight)
Because I find "The Star-Spangled Banner" to be far superior; it has
a drama to it, it's fun to sing, it has enough of a melody to sound
like an important song. It implies that there are things worth
fighting for.
"This Land is Your Land" sounds banal by comparison. It sounds like a
little children's song, one that goes next to "Row, Row, Row" and
"Little Rabbit Fu-Fu" (though the latter certainly has some un-PC
imagery). It takes no ideological stance at all, aside from a vague,
treacle-like fuzzy-huggy unity that makes me feel all icky.
The only real objection I have to the Star Spangled Banner is in the
last verse; since most people don't even have a passing familiarity
with anything past the FIRST verse, it rarely becomes an issue.
neoweasel
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Pat Kight wrote:
> > "I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
> >
> Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
> Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
> meaningful.
I don't know. I rather like the fact that the tune of the U.S.
National Anthem is a drinking song. I do agree that it's not the
most... meaningful of songs. At least in the context of a National
Anthem. I mean, the country is more than a single battle (New
Orleans, was it?) in a single war that was not the war of
independence. That being said, I like it. It may be due to (subtle)
conditioning early in life, but I honestly am moved by it.
Prophet
> Prophet wrote:
> >
> > Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
> > Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
> > meaningful.
>
> I'll fight that petition every step of the way, and if I lose, I'll
> STILL sing the Star Spangled Banner when they announce the National
> Anthem.
>
Your right as an American. I can appreciate that.
Prophet
Now I'm not saying lose the Star Spangled Banner completely. It's a
fine, patriotic song. But as a national anthem, I think something
more peaceful and inclusive, more positive and less...jingoistic.
Lee S. Billings
m...@cisunix.unh.edu says...
>
>On 30 Apr 2002, neoweasel wrote:
>
>> Prophet <m...@cisunix.unh.edu> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Pat Kight wrote:
>> > > "I do know all the verses to `This Land is Your Land,' though.
>> > >
>> > Hey, could we get a petition up to have this replace the Star-Spangled
>> > Banner? It's got better lyrics, a better tune and is much more
>> > meaningful.
>>
>>
>> I don't know. I rather like the fact that the tune of the U.S.
>> National Anthem is a drinking song. I do agree that it's not the
>> most... meaningful of songs. At least in the context of a National
>> Anthem. I mean, the country is more than a single battle (New
>> Orleans, was it?) in a single war that was not the war of
>> independence. That being said, I like it. It may be due to (subtle)
>> conditioning early in life, but I honestly am moved by it.
>>
> Now I'm not saying lose the Star Spangled Banner completely. It's a
>fine, patriotic song. But as a national anthem, I think something
>more peaceful and inclusive, more positive and less...jingoistic.
I tend to put "national anthems" in the same category as "school songs" or
"team fight songs". What's the point, really?
Celine
Jen the Obscure
> In article <Pine.OSF.4.44.020430...@hypatia.unh.edu>,
> m...@cisunix.unh.edu says...
>
> > Now I'm not saying lose the Star Spangled Banner completely. It's a
> >fine, patriotic song. But as a national anthem, I think something
> >more peaceful and inclusive, more positive and less...jingoistic.
>
> I tend to put "national anthems" in the same category as "school songs" or
> "team fight songs". What's the point, really?
I've been wondering that myself for a loong time. In grade school, everyone had
to know the song, but we spent our time making up 'alternate' versions (that in
most cases made a lot more sense than the original which was some sappy
school-spirit/'free as a bird' type deal--ewwww). In high school, the headmaster
actually wanted to make being able to sing the school song a requirement for
graduation. Thank the gods that didn't get pushed through during my stint
there...I hear he's trying to do it again.
Lollee
anst...@sevenhills.edisonschools.com (neoweasel) writes:
>I don't know. I rather like the fact that the tune of the U.S.
>National Anthem is a drinking song. I do agree that it's not the
>most... meaningful of songs. At least in the context of a National
>Anthem. I mean, the country is more than a single battle (New
>Orleans, was it?) in a single war that was not the war of
>independence. That being said, I like it. It may be due to (subtle)
>conditioning early in life, but I honestly am moved by it.
>
>
nitpick/Battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore, MD/nitpick. You had the war right.
Lollee
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