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Hi everybody,
I´d like to be party of the groupnews comp.unix.sco.misc
How may I do that ???
Cesar Rodrigo Marro
Tony Lawrence
> Hi everybody,
>
> I´d like to be party of the groupnews comp.unix.sco.misc
>
> How may I do that ???
You are doing it now, aren't you?
If you mean you weant it in email, see
http://pcunix.com/SCOFAQ/scoadm.html#mailing_list
--
Tony Lawrence
SCO/Linux Support Tips, How-To's, Tests and more: http://pcunix.com
j...@radidelmex.net
>> I'd like to be party of the groupnews comp.unix.sco.misc
>>
>> How may I do that ???
> You are doing it now, aren't you?
I think he wants to know where to mail the subscription fee. I'm still
waiting for my 2002 calendar!
Robert Carnegie
"cal 2002".
Oh, but you mean the calendar that has pictures of the development
team nude with carefully placed manuals and media. "cal -nc17 2002"
(but it won't work if your desktop is only R-rated).
comp.unix.sco.misc is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, which also
has an e-mail gateway which is described (but "_strongly_"
discouraged) in Ed Hew's regularly posted FAQ,
ftp://ftp.xenitec.on.ca/pub/news/faqs/sco.faq
I presume it's carried on most Internet service providers'
Usenet servers. Traffic is not excessively high.
You can also participate via http://google.com/ - specifically
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&group=comp.unix.sco.misc
- although to join in /there/ you have to supply and use a more
or less valid e-mail address, and that address will, of course, get
unsolicited commercial e-mails - make-money-fast schemes, dubious
pharmaceuticals, truly disgusting invitations, viruses. But of
course it doesn't have to be your #1 address.
Jean-Pierre Radley
|
| comp.unix.sco.misc is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, which also
| has an e-mail gateway which is described (but "_strongly_"
| discouraged) in Ed Hew's regularly posted FAQ,
Which are the words that strongly discourage use of the lists?
--
JP
Jack Hill, Just readin the News
``
You are _strongly_ encouraged to obtain the comp.* newsgroups via USENET
NEWS mechanisms vrs email. Should comp.unix.sco.*, comp.unix.xenix.sco
or comp.unix.unixware.misc not be locally available, please check with
your local newsadmin or have them request a feed from their provider.
Anyone having difficulty arranging a news feed for these newsgroups
is welcome to email the undersigned and I'll do my best to help. ''
sure seems like a strong encouragement to use the newsgroups vis the
lists...
Then again, Robert may have a different answer, and I should have kept
quiet ;^)
YMMV
--
Jack Hill, Just readin' the news
sco...@nanniandjack.com
Bill Vermillion
I suspect Robert is stongly discouraging it's use, but it may be in
the FAQ and I'm not going to look it up. However while email may
be fast for users of that list I often see burps when the sco
group seems to lay dormant for a day or so - then a flood of
messages comes in from Xenitec. Where the delay is I don't know
but this is about the only group I've seen spikes like that.
I suspect that Ed would just as soon have a lighter load if
possible, but he can answer for himself.
Given that then direct posting would seem to make it around the
world more regularly.
Something else that makes certain part of the 'net not quite as
useable is the posting of links to article containing the answer.
While this may be ok as long as things are current we have noted
the consternation expressed here when all the old SCO links broke.
You also see that when you go to older google article for example.
The 'net [pre www days] was the model for distributed information.
A question is asked and answere, and everyone immediately shares in
the answer, and doesn't have to wait while the answer is retrieved
from a site - which could be donw or slow.
So we have moved from a paradign of globaly distributed information
to a globaly distributed index with a pointer to a single
information point.
That's sort of like never backing up your hard drive but having a
list of all the files on it :-)
Bill
Tony Lawrence
> Something else that makes certain part of the 'net not quite as
> useable is the posting of links to article containing the answer.
> While this may be ok as long as things are current we have noted
> the consternation expressed here when all the old SCO links broke.
> You also see that when you go to older google article for example.
I dunno. I'm still of divided mind about that.
Often a "good" answer is fairly long and involved, and I hate to see
stuff like that duplicated here over and over and over. For that
matter, I hate to see anything duplicated, which is why we have FAQS and
while it sometimes seems like "nobody reads the FAQS" my web logs tell a
diffeent story- people DO read FAQS, and that has to save a lot of
traffic here.
OTOH, stupid web masters do arbitrarily change links. I don't (and
won't ) do that, but sometime, despite my best efforts to remain
forever, I'm going to abandon my web site willingly or unwillingly, and
thousands of links will suddenly disappear. I do feel some
responsibility for that, so I have made posthumous arrangements to try
to find someone to take it over, but who knows if that will happen.
So I'm ambivalent (which doesn't mean "I don't care" in spite of
illiterati using it that way).
There's also Alexa :-)
Bill Vermillion
>> Something else that makes certain part of the 'net not quite as
>> useable is the posting of links to article containing the answer.
>> While this may be ok as long as things are current we have noted
>> the consternation expressed here when all the old SCO links broke.
>> You also see that when you go to older google article for example.
>I dunno. I'm still of divided mind about that.
Late reply here.
>Often a "good" answer is fairly long and involved, and I hate to
>see stuff like that duplicated here over and over and over. For
>that matter, I hate to see anything duplicated, which is why we
>have FAQS and while it sometimes seems like "nobody reads the FAQS"
>my web logs tell a diffeent story- people DO read FAQS, and that
>has to save a lot of traffic here.
I can go along with that on the 'mixed emotions' Duplication isn't
quite as bad as when I was first moving Usenet news on a 2400bps
modem. Loved the day when I got the discounted [$800 at discount]
1/2 price Trail-blazers because I was in the uucp maps :-) Took
awhile before any 9600bps did UUCP spoofing [such as Multi-tech]
like the TB's. Then getting 21kbs while the world only had 9600
was good.
Not enough read the FAQ based on the questions we see here.
Ideally <and boy would it take a lot of work> would be a canned
short synopsis with a point to a web for further information.
OTOH the problem is that the more this is done the more it stops
becoming a news group and becomes a link group :-)
>OTOH, stupid web masters do arbitrarily change links. I don't (and
>won't ) do that, but sometime, despite my best efforts to remain
>forever, I'm going to abandon my web site willingly or unwillingly,
>and thousands of links will suddenly disappear. I do feel some
>responsibility for that, so I have made posthumous arrangements to
>try to find someone to take it over, but who knows if that will
>happen.
Taking it over in case you abandon it, for whatever reason, would
be a problem. It's the old single library. And if you follow
history you see what happens when libraries burn - many volumes
were the only copies and never to be seen again. There have been
politically motivate destructions of libraries in the course of
recorded history, and then there are the major accidents. The last
one I recall was somewhere about 10 years ago when the state ??
library burned in Moscow, Russia. Just part of the library but the
count was probably over 100,000 volumes - and many were the only
copy that existed in the world.
Let me start on of my infamous topic drifts here.
About two years ago I got an email from a person who had found my
name in a search - probably on Google - where I had casually
mentioned I had a manual on Scelbal. [Scelbi computing was a known
name in the early s-100 days and had some languages and other
things targeted to the 8080/z80 CPM world primarily]
He had been working on some project and wrote to see if I had those
manuals, and if so he would pay me to photocopy the four pages
that were missing from the volume in the US Library of Congress.
I wound up selling him the whole set, sources for [as I recall] and
editor, assembler, the language he was working, and something else.
He bought them for about what I paid for them - and I had the
original invoice in them. [that gives you an idea of what a
pack-rat I am].
This points out the problems with global indexes directing you to a
single repository.
As to the possibility of broken links, look at all the furor on this
newsgroup just in the past couple of months when Caldera took over
all the old SCO resources. You had links, Jeff had links/tool, and
others had links. Nothing worked.
Of course sites like that should be in the hands of the owners -
but other sites like yours and others - tackle the real-world
problems that users have. Sometimes the documentation may be
abstruse to say the least - but at other times some one needs a bit
of help in the basic process before the details make sense.
>So I'm ambivalent (which doesn't mean "I don't care" in spite of
>illiterati using it that way).
Good word - I'll have to remember that one. One classic example
of 'ambivalence' I remember is from the old Jack Benny TV show and
this one part does get repeated.
For those who don't remember he was played as the stingiest man on
earth - even more than Scrooge McDuck :-). He gets approached by
hold up man who says "Your money or your life". He pauses,
thinks, and then says "Hold on, I'm thinking." :-)
And further off topic - I've gone this far haven't I.
I have some recordings that I've tried to sell [or at least get
released] over the years. When I first offered them I was told
'no one is interested in things that old'. Later on I talked to
one who would have his partner call me. Never did. I talked to
John Hammond one time about it.
They will go to the LOC in the event of my demise if I don't get
them out some other way before then.
I have a tape recording from master disks that was made about 1950
or 1951 before the discs were taking to NYC and never seen again.
So I have the only copy in the world of the 1946 Louis Armstrong
Carnegie Hall Concert.
The others are a set of several 16" glass lacquers cut in 1944.
[all the aluminum was going to the military effort so glass was the
base of those]. Since I left broadcast I don't even have a way to
transfer them myself - though I did start on some of some radio
broadcasts.
The important ones - if the age has not killed them by now and I
have not opened them in 25 years just to keep any more damage from
them - is a jam session / jazz concert.
Fully documented for a series in Life Magazine called "Life Goes To
A Party". This was for the "Life Goes To A Jazz Party". All the
major jazz artists were there. Djon Mieles [probably mis-spelled
that horrible] - renowned photographer documented it all.
"Pop" Frutchey recorded it all on his portable equipment. I got
them from "Pop" a few years before he died - about 30 years ago.
[He used to make location recording in the 1920s carrying his
12 foot long acoustic horn and cutter head. He'd record in halls
and theaters, and would put a pulley up in the rafters and a sand
bag would be hooked to that and to the turntable. There was a
governor on the turntable to set the speed and he could keep
recording until the sandbag touched the floor. The disks were
similar to beeswax. He got his first job in the recording business
in the early 1920's as a job of shaving blanks. If the first
recording failed you started with another disk, and his job was to
shave off the top of the failed recordings to be able to make
another recording on the same base. I never did spend enough time
listening to his stories but I do remember the ones he told me
today.
The problem with giving them to the LOC is they will get stored and
no one will have access - as so many things there are. They get
cataloged and put away. There just aren't enough funds to do what
should be needed.
So you can see why I approach this from a distributed information
POV instead of a distributed index.
Tony Lawrence
> In article <3C363753...@pcunix.com>,
> Tony Lawrence <to...@pcunix.com> wrote:
>>OTOH, stupid web masters do arbitrarily change links. I don't (and
>>won't ) do that, but sometime, despite my best efforts to remain
>>forever, I'm going to abandon my web site willingly or unwillingly,
>>and thousands of links will suddenly disappear. I do feel some
>>responsibility for that, so I have made posthumous arrangements to
>>try to find someone to take it over, but who knows if that will
>>happen.
>>
>
> Taking it over in case you abandon it, for whatever reason, would
> be a problem. It's the old single library. And if you follow
> history you see what happens when libraries burn - many volumes
> were the only copies and never to be seen again. There have been
> politically motivate destructions of libraries in the course of
> recorded history, and then there are the major accidents. The last
> one I recall was somewhere about 10 years ago when the state ??
> library burned in Moscow, Russia. Just part of the library but the
> count was probably over 100,000 volumes - and many were the only
> copy that existed in the world.
Ayup. You may not have noticed, but I put a copyright notice at the
bottom of everything I write (on my site, no need for it here) that does
everything but beg people to copy it. Dissemination of information is
important. I encourage people to take anything I wrote (but not things
written by other people that happen to be on the site) and print it, put
it on their own web pages, publish it electronically or traditionally or
whatever they want- as long as they give credit where it belongs.
I do request that they let me know- a few people have, but probably
others didn't bother, which is a little rude but still OK.
>
> As to the possibility of broken links, look at all the furor on this
> newsgroup just in the past couple of months when Caldera took over
> all the old SCO resources. You had links, Jeff had links/tool, and
> others had links. Nothing worked.
Yes, But that was unbelieavable stupidity on their part. Many of my
links still don't work. It's a tremendous effort to fix them..
Jean-Pierre Radley
| In article <3C363753...@pcunix.com>,
|
| I have some recordings that I've tried to sell [or at least get
| released] over the years. When I first offered them I was told
| 'no one is interested in things that old'. Later on I talked to
| one who would have his partner call me. Never did. I talked to
| John Hammond one time about it.
|
| They will go to the LOC in the event of my demise if I don't get
| them out some other way before then.
|
| no one will have access - as so many things there are. They get
| cataloged and put away. There just aren't enough funds to do what
| should be needed.
An alternative to the LoC is a program which actually uses, distributes,
and broadcasts stuff like you've got: NPR's Lost & Found Sound Project,
http://www.npr.org/programs/lnfsound/
--
JP
Bill Vermillion
Tony Lawrence <to...@pcunix.com> wrote:
>Bill Vermillion wrote:
>
>> In article <3C363753...@pcunix.com>,
>> Tony Lawrence <to...@pcunix.com> wrote:
>>>OTOH, stupid web masters do arbitrarily change links. I don't (and
>>>won't ) do that, but sometime, despite my best efforts to remain
>>>forever, I'm going to abandon my web site willingly or unwillingly,
>>>and thousands of links will suddenly disappear. I do feel some
>>>responsibility for that, so I have made posthumous arrangements to
>>>try to find someone to take it over, but who knows if that will
>>>happen.
>> Taking it over in case you abandon it, for whatever reason, would
>> be a problem. It's the old single library. And if you follow
>> history you see what happens when libraries burn - many volumes
>> were the only copies and never to be seen again. There have been
>> politically motivate destructions of libraries in the course of
>> recorded history, and then there are the major accidents. The last
>> one I recall was somewhere about 10 years ago when the state ??
>> library burned in Moscow, Russia. Just part of the library but the
>> count was probably over 100,000 volumes - and many were the only
>> copy that existed in the world.
>Ayup. You may not have noticed, but I put a copyright notice at
>the bottom of everything I write (on my site, no need for it here)
>that does everything but beg people to copy it.
Once again you are correct! I did not notice it :-) But the only
thing of mine that carries a copyright notice is one that was
actually created after one of my long posts about 1988 because
someone wanted to print it in a publication.
>Dissemination of information is important. I encourage people to
>take anything I wrote (but not things written by other people that
>happen to be on the site) and print it, put it on their own web
>pages, publish it electronically or traditionally or whatever they
>want- as long as they give credit where it belongs.
That's good. And I don't have a problem with what you are doing. I
used to get ticked in the days when the only access for most people
was The Source, Compuserver, Genie, Bix, et al, and they put the
'collection copyright' on everyting.
Also in that ears, a great many Unix users then were using Rahul
Dhesi's zoo. It never got the distribution it deserved as he would
not let it be distributed on any service that charge more than
$5.00/hour and C'serve was a $6.00 for 300bps, and I think $12.00
for 1200 and $29.00 for 9600. And the above would have problems
with someone else's material being put on their sites that didn't
have rights too.
Sounds pretty strange for those who see the ulimited access from
places like AT&T at $16.95/month.
>I do request that they let me know- a few people have, but probably
>others didn't bother, which is a little rude but still OK.
It's a nice courtesy. Too bad there are still many who just take
things and push them as their own.
>> As to the possibility of broken links, look at all the furor on this
>> newsgroup just in the past couple of months when Caldera took over
>> all the old SCO resources. You had links, Jeff had links/tool, and
>> others had links. Nothing worked.
>Yes, But that was unbelieavable stupidity on their part. Many of my
>links still don't work. It's a tremendous effort to fix them..
If it had been more of the 'buy the company and just change the
name on the building' it would have been easier I supsect.
Was it stupidity. You do have to have some sort of integration
with your current scheme - and while I do not know - I supsect that
the Caldera way and the SCO way were different. That means more
people to admin if you don't change. It's the keep all the SW the
same and cut down on the number of admins that caused MS to sell so
much. Of course it seems to take more admins on MS products than
others.
And let me just add a thank you for all the hard work you've put
into that site that benefits so many.
If only hypertext worked and linked as well as Ted Nelson described
it when it coined the term hypertext in "Literary Machines" things
would be so much nicer. His vision was so vast that it can never
be achieved but it was still interesting to read then.