Subliminal Transmissions at Disney films
Louis Nick III
Michael Shawstad <shaw...@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu> wrote:
>Assorted people wrote (you know who you are):
>
>: >All versions of "Alladin" (or indeed any of the other Disney animated
>: >features) start out on film which is then transferred to video. It seems
>: >pretty unlikely to me that a special version was prepared for the laser
>: >disc release. Animators could not have added anything without the
>: >co-operation of numerous people all down the line from painting to
>: >telecine.
>
>: Tell me then, why are ther adds for Disney and other products at the
>: beginning or end that were not at the theater version? Hmmmmmm.
>
>They're not part of the film. They are taken from various sources and
>spliced in for a platter-type system, or played on the other projector in
>a multi-reel system.
I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
the theatre's purposes during the previews.
The 3-d glasses that people used to have, with two color filters are no
longer used because they can foil the STS system. However, 3-d glasses
that have two pieces of polaroid, that is, filters that polarize light in
one direction for left, another (at a right angle) for right, will not
disturb the STS's effect. The two color system's detection,
incidentally, doesn't allow you to see the subliminal visuals /per se/,
but will give you a headache if you keep them on in a lit theatre (when
the STS system is engaged in covering commercials). That is why you
should just leave them off, and resist the urge to buy popcorn.
Speaking of STS, it's interesting to note that the former use of "Buy
popcorn" or "You're very thirsty" messages during the movie have been
replaced with "Eat your snacks and go get more at the snack bar." The
reason is the increase in people sneaking (bringing, really) food and
drink from the outside. That's why you finish this, generally, before
the movie starts. Then you still have a trailer or two left before the
movie starts, and therefore have time to buy nachos.
David Looser
(Louis Nick III) wrote:
> I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
> (Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
> Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
> video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
> they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
> so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
> the theatre's purposes during the previews.
>
Is this a spam?, or are you serious?. The internet is famous for the
amount of garbage on it but this is one of the most inventive loads of
nonsense I have read for a long time.
David.
Christopher A. Stansfield
illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
its use.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
-Chris
Gardner S Trask
My bubble is intact Chris, thank you. Subliminal advertising is NOT
illegal in the U.S. Go to the bookstore and ask for the re-release of
"subliminal Seduction" called "Subliminal Seduction 2000" and read on.
You will find that, yes, subliminal advertising is very effective, yet it
is so highly unethical that the advertising industry will not employ it's
use. After consulting with many legal experts on the ethicacy of it's
practice, they found that several lawyers balked at using it in THEIR
commercials, so the advertising community figured if it was too unethical
for LAWYERS, well .....
So, while not illegal, it is not practiced here.
Once in a while though, some shaddy fringe advertiser tries to sneak one
in, usually on Zaphir albumn ads, or RONCO products. But once exposed are
severly chastised by the Ad Council, and fined heavily.
Gard " <this message left intentionaly blank> or so you think" Trask
Andrew S. Damick
: I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
: illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
: it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
: damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
: its use.
There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
The only studies that have been carried were by advertisers who wished to
make money selling subliminacy to potential clients.
I have studied this.
The BOB(c) -- Majoring in Communication at NCSU.
The Most Dangerous Man on USENET
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/a/asdamick/www/
You will read alt.fan.the-bob today.
Larry Smith USG
In article <3o4d9r$2...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>, sn...@u.washington.edu (Louis Nick III) writes:
>I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
>(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
>Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
The average movie theater in the United States is only barely
competent to run the projector for the movie, let alone to
set up and maintain a system like you describe. However, being
old enough to recall when movie theaters _did_ experiment with
subliminals, I am therefore old enough to recall when it was
made _illegal_, and it continues to _be_ illegal. And 3-d
glasses went away because 3-d movies were dreck, not because
they couldn't add subliminals.
Nor is there the slightest shred of evidence that subliminals
work. I never eat in theaters, either their food or my own.
What am I? Rasputin?
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Gardner S Trask
>There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
>advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
>The only studies that have been carried were by advertisers who wished to
>make money selling subliminacy to potential clients.
>I have studied this.
MUHAHAHAhahahahaha..... YHBST - You have been subliminally trolled.
I MADE you say this. I implanted this exact message in my last post.
I'm just surprised it was BOB(c) I caught.
I am so MEAN
Gard "<blank> <blank> <blank> <blank> <SEKRIT message> <blank>" Trask
Gardner S Trask
>Nor is there the slightest shred of evidence that subliminals
>work. I never eat in theaters, either their food or my own.
>What am I? Rasputin?
>--
And some people can't see those 3-d hidden eye posters. So whazzyerpoint?
Gard "Subliminals - How else do you explain $4.50 JuJuBe's?" Trask
Andrew S. Damick
: asda...@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrew S. Damick) writes:
: >There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
: >advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
: >The only studies that have been carried were by advertisers who wished to
: >make money selling subliminacy to potential clients.
: >I have studied this.
: MUHAHAHAhahahahaha..... YHBST - You have been subliminally trolled.
: I MADE you say this. I implanted this exact message in my last post.
Actually, I made you subliminally troll. And Doctorette Chen predicted it
all, just like he predicted his own death.
: I'm just surprised it was BOB(c) I caught.
: I am so MEAN
The BOB(c) -- No, you're not. You're NICE!!! HAHAHA!!!
Paul Gettle
>The average movie theater in the United States is only barely
>competent to run the projector for the movie, let alone to
I resent that remark. Being employed as a projectionist...well formerly
employed...OK, they have me selling popcorn now ever since I ran all the
movie trailers w/o sound because the projectionist on the last shift had
bumped the sound swich to off and I didn't know where the sound switch was....
Oh, never mind, just bugger off.
-- Paul Gettle (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
Gardner S Trask
>Gardner S Trask (tr...@world.std.com) did spew forth to USENET:
>: asda...@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrew S. Damick) writes:
>: >There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
>: >advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
>: >The only studies that have been carried were by advertisers who wished to
>: >make money selling subliminacy to potential clients.
>: >I have studied this.
>: MUHAHAHAhahahahaha..... YHBST - You have been subliminally trolled.
>: I MADE you say this. I implanted this exact message in my last post.
>Actually, I made you subliminally troll. And Doctorette Chen predicted it
>all, just like he predicted his own death.
I feel like such a tool.
>: I'm just surprised it was BOB(c) I caught.
>: I am so MEAN
>The BOB(c) -- No, you're not. You're NICE!!! HAHAHA!!!
HEY!!!!, AM NOT. (Sorry about the all caps thing. I was in a snit)
Gard "one bad-arse mother-F<hey, watch yer mouth>" Trask
Eli Balin
Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>What am I? Rasputin?
Not necessarily. You are like Rasputin, except with a smaller beard.
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Andrew S. Damick
: I feel like such a tool.
Acceptance: the first step towards recovery.
The BOB(c) --Gard, where's your WWW page? The culture demands it.
Maximum Chuck
>
>lar...@enemax.zk3.dec.com (Larry Smith USG) writes:
>
>>The average movie theater in the United States is only barely
>>competent to run the projector for the movie, let alone to
>
>I resent that remark. Being employed as a projectionist...well formerly
>employed...OK, they have me selling popcorn now ever since I ran all the
>movie trailers w/o sound because the projectionist on the last shift had
>bumped the sound swich to off and I didn't know where the sound switch
was....
A projectionist? Oboy! Listen, bub, I've got just one thing to say
to you: FOCUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wednesday
Andrew S. Damick <asda...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>Christopher A. Stansfield (cas...@is.nyu.edu) did spew forth to USENET:
>
>: I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
>: illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>: it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>: damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>: its use.
>
>advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
Not to mention that, to my knowledge, it's only illegal on TELEVISION.
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Wednesday
>
>: I feel like such a tool.
>
>Acceptance: the first step towards recovery.
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Larry Smith USG
>>What am I? Rasputin?
I'm taller, too.
Larry Smith USG
>You will find that, yes, subliminal advertising is very effective, yet it
>is so highly unethical that the advertising industry will not employ it's
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>use.
Okay, now _that_ is a troll! As if the advertising industry
had any ethics...
Paul Gettle
>What Paul Gettle (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu) meant to say was...
>>I resent that remark. Being employed as a projectionist...well formerly
>>employed...OK, they have me selling popcorn now ever since I ran all the
>>movie trailers w/o sound because the projectionist on the last shift had
>>bumped the sound swich to off and I didn't know where the sound switch
>was....
>A projectionist? Oboy! Listen, bub, I've got just one thing to say
>to you: FOCUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean that big knob close to the lens? I've seen it lots of times, what's
it do?
Seriously though, most of the time I did have it focused... it's just the sound
that went woingy on me.
But I don't have to worry about that now.. I just sell the popcorn.
-- Paul Gettle (pge...@hubcap.clemson.edu)
Louis Nick III
Wednesday <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>In article <3o74n5$c...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>Louis Nick III <sn...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>In article <3o64hb$f...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>,
>>Wednesday <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>>>- S c r e e e e e e e e a a a a a a a a a a a a a M ! -
>>>
>>><kiboluv>
>>>U R NOT NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>U R MEAN!!!!!!!
>>></kiboluv>
>>
>>your homepage a little too long now.
>
><a href="http://not.good.enough.yet:80/~overachiever/stress.out.wed.html">
>Oh, <em>no</em>, <baldfacedlie>I rarely html</baldfacedlie>.</a>
What was I thinking? I withdraw my presumtuous remark.
>>What I want to know, from either you or Andrew is this:
>
>Which Andrew?
You know, T-Bob.
>>What are the other 11?
>
>Dwarves?
<frustrated>Steps..To..Recovery...</frustrated>!</a>
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homepage or any really knowledge of html. If I screwed up, I blame, oh,
Tom Servo.)
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Louis Nick III
>Andrew S. Damick <asda...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>Gardner S Trask (tr...@world.std.com) did spew forth to USENET:
>>
>>: I feel like such a tool.
>>
>>Acceptance: the first step towards recovery.
>
>
><kiboluv>
>U R NOT NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>U R MEAN!!!!!!!
></kiboluv>
I appreciate the comments, Wed. And it looks like you've been working on
your homepage a little too long now.
What I want to know, from either you or Andrew is this:
What are the other 11?
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Wednesday
>Wednesday <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>>- S c r e e e e e e e e a a a a a a a a a a a a a M ! -
>>
>><kiboluv>
>>U R NOT NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>U R MEAN!!!!!!!
>></kiboluv>
>
>I appreciate the comments, Wed. And it looks like you've been working on
>your homepage a little too long now.
<a href="http://not.good.enough.yet:80/~overachiever/stress.out.wed.html">
Oh, <em>no</em>, <baldfacedlie>I rarely html</baldfacedlie>.</a>
>What I want to know, from either you or Andrew is this:
Which Andrew?
>What are the other 11?
Dwarves?
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Bruce Ediger
>Gard "Subliminals - How else do you explain $4.50 JuJuBe's?" Trask
I've always assumed there was "opium" in it - just like Chinese food.
Smothra
>>work. I never eat in theaters, either their food or my own.
>>What am I? Rasputin?
>>--
>
>And some people can't see those 3-d hidden eye posters. So whazzyerpoint?
>
Subliminals are illegal.
Studies show quick-frame subliminals do little if anything to affect behavior
or attitude.
3-d posters do, on the other hand, make people behave like complete morons
(Personal experience censored).
Rasputin?
Jonah "$4.50 for JuJuBe's doesn't seem particularly subliminal to me" Jackson
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- It's a terrible thing to lose one's mind. Or to not have a mind at all.
Gardner S Trask
>In article <3o4q2l$s...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>, cas...@is.nyu.edu says...
>>
>>I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
>>illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>>it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>>damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>>its use.
>>Sorry to burst your bubble.
>>-Chris
>>
>Dont you get it, the laws are all part of their process to get us to buy more popcorn! But it goes far
>beyond that..... At Disney World/Land one is constantly bombarded with subliminal messages. BUY
>MOUSE EAR HAT, BUY SNACKS, BUY TEE SHIRT, DONT STEAL, BE CALM, TELL YOUR
>FRIENDS TO COME...... The most obvious place that this happens in while you are waiting in the
>enormous lines. Messages hidden in the music keep our minds numb and pockets empty. Once on
>the rides the really big stuff hits us. By confusing and disorienting the brain durring the ride, we are
>more open to suggestions.
>Wake up out there!
I also heard that Disney is borrowing techniques from Vegas. Now they
pump oxygen into the park to keep you there longer. This is why they are
so adiment about the "no Smoking" policy. Also, the gift shops
have the heat turned way up to make you feel lathargic and keep you in
them longer.
Gard "What ever you do, don't eat in the "magic mushroom" cafe'" Trask
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>I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
>illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>its use.
>Sorry to burst your bubble.
>-Chris
>
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble, but the one test was flawed. The measured
quantity was purchase of soft drinks in the theater lobby. The
subliminal message was to "buy coke". But they never ran a test to
see if the film itself somehow altered the audiances thirst.
The film? "Lawrence of Arabia".
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: Not to mention that, to my knowledge, it's only illegal on TELEVISION.
After "The Brunswick Affair", where some clever technician found out that if
you bombard someone watching TV with a certain frequency and pattern of EM
radiation, they become hypno-suggestable, and sold the idea to some
advertisers. If they hadn't overdone it, they might never have been found
out! (This is NOT a "Troll"...this really happened!)
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Chris Kostanick
>I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
>illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>its use.
>Sorry to burst your bubble.
>-Chris
Sorry to burst your bubble, but subliminal advertising does NOT work.
The original study was done by the company trying to sell it and
is basically junk. Real cognitive science is that if you didn't notice
it, you didn't notice it.
Chris Kostanick
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Gardner S Trask
>Wednesday (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote:
They were called "blipverts".
Gard "Watch your head" Trask
P.S. Hey, elfin-magic, I heard the new issue has a Wendy the dragonslayer
poster. Run, go git' em boy.
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P.P.P.S. Nothing much. Just wanted Sundance to know how well the P.P.(n).S.
thing is working out.
Kin Baumgardner
>illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>its use.
>Sorry to burst your bubble.
>-Chris
>
Dont you get it, the laws are all part of their process to get us to buy more popcorn! But it goes far
Louis Nick III
Michael Rivero <riv...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <3o4q2l$s...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> cas...@is.nyu.edu (Christopher A. Stansfield) writes:
>>I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
>>illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
>>it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
>>damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
>>its use.
>>Sorry to burst your bubble.
>>-Chris
>>
>
>quantity was purchase of soft drinks in the theater lobby. The
>subliminal message was to "buy coke". But they never ran a test to
>see if the film itself somehow altered the audiances thirst.
>
> The film? "Lawrence of Arabia".
Look, what sort of messages do you think they put in there? A blatent
frame that said "Buy Coke" or "Geez, You're thirsty"? Heck no! The
whole movie was basically a subtle Coke ad. Less subtle examples are
Pepsi ads in Top Gun, and the very unsubtle movies Demolition Man and The
Wizard, plugging exclusively Taco Bell and NEC, respectively. The most
subtle of all, I think, was for beach tourism as well as a now-defunct
drug company. The movie was Dune. Think about it. All that sand, and
everybody just wants to go in the water. As for the drug companies, take
a look at the Baron Vladimir Harkonnan's face. Yech!
Jim Mogle
>From: tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask)
>Subject: Re: Subliminal Transmissions at Disney films
>Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:58:40 GMT
>I also heard that Disney is borrowing techniques from Vegas. Now they
>pump oxygen into the park to keep you there longer. This is why they are
>so adiment about the "no Smoking" policy. Also, the gift shops
>have the heat turned way up to make you feel lathargic and keep you in
>them longer.
>Gard "What ever you do, don't eat in the "magic mushroom" cafe'" Trask
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Big time Troll!:) Any one who's been to the parks know that all the buildings
are freezing cold! WDW, the only place you need a sweater in August in
Florida.
Jim Mogle
Mike Dickson
asda...@unity.ncsu.edu "Andrew S. Damick" writes:
> There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
> advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
> I have studied this.
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the majority of Black Cat Software Factory television and film
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I too have studied this.
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Louis Nick III
Mike Dickson <mi...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <3o5c4h$o...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>
> asda...@unity.ncsu.edu "Andrew S. Damick" writes:
>
>> There is no empirical evidence to prove that so-called "subliminal"
>> advertising is any more effective than the usual manipulation techniques.
>> I have studied this.
>
>I absolutely Black Cat Software Factory agree. There is absolutely no
>Black Cat Software Factory reputable evidence which shows that this Black
>Cat Software Factory method of advertising works better Black Cat
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>the majority of Black Cat Software Factory television and film
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>Software Factory communications there is, it stands to Black Cat Software
>Factory reason that it makes no Black Cat Software Factory sense to try
>and introduce this Black Cat kind of subterfuge into the Software Factory
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>
>I too have studied this.
I understand, yet I suspect you are trolling because, upon reading your
post, I feel insanely unlucky, as though something dark has crossed my
path. Everytime I close my eyes, I see myself on an assembly line,
typing the same line over and over, as the computer go by. Then I save.
Still, the feeling of mal-luck, if you will, is simply overwhel1$#%!#$%
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bob calbridge
Gardner S Trask <tr...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
>Once in a while though, some shaddy fringe advertiser tries to sneak one
>in, usually on Zaphir albumn ads, or RONCO products. But once exposed are
>severly chastised by the Ad Council, and fined heavily.
>
>
Not intentionally getting off the topic of Disney, but RONCO??!? Really?
Any specifics? Just curious.
Bob
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Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>
>In article <3o5ldt$d...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, elib...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Eli Balin) writes:
>>In article <3o5d1d$q...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>
>>>What am I? Rasputin?
>
>>Not necessarily. You are like Rasputin, except with a smaller beard.
>
>I'm taller, too.
>
Gardner S Trask
>In article <D7yA...@world.std.com>,
>Gardner S Trask <tr...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>
>>Once in a while though, some shaddy fringe advertiser tries to sneak one
>>in, usually on Zaphir albumn ads, or RONCO products. But once exposed are
>>severly chastised by the Ad Council, and fined heavily.
>>
>>
>Not intentionally getting off the topic of Disney, but RONCO??!? Really?
>Any specifics? Just curious.
>Bob
Now Bob, you did not REALLY believe the "pocket fisherman" could really
fit in your pocket did you? Of course not. Yet, ton's o' people threw
good money at Ron Popiel just to get this. As a matter of fact, Ron
Popiel did not make his fortune with the RONCO products (Veg-o-matic,
Pocket Fisherman, Thighmaster, etc.). No, it is a little known fact that
he copyrighted the phrase "as seen on T.V"(c) and makes a fortune off that.
Gard "Never seen on T.V. (well except for that 'COPS' thing)" Trask
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Susan C. Mitchell
: In article <3o4d9r$2...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>, sn...@u.washington.edu
: (Louis Nick III) wrote:
: > I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
: > (Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
: > Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
: > video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
: > they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
: > so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
: > the theatre's purposes during the previews.
: >
: Is this a spam?, or are you serious?. The internet is famous for the
: amount of garbage on it but this is one of the most inventive loads of
: nonsense I have read for a long time.
No, but honest, it's true. That's just the way it works. Really. Now
will someone please explain about the ATMs that print money?
And why isn't this thread on alt.folklore.urban?
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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What does that mean? We choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee."
-- Helen Keller
Ruler of all bugs
c...@infomatch.com (Kin Baumgardner) wrote:
>Dont you get it, the laws are all part of their process to get us to buy more
popcorn! But it goes far
>beyond that..... At Disney World/Land one is constantly bombarded with
subliminal messages. BUY
>MOUSE EAR HAT, BUY SNACKS, BUY TEE SHIRT, DONT STEAL, BE CALM, TELL YOUR
>FRIENDS TO COME...... The most obvious place that this happens in while you
are waiting in the
>enormous lines. Messages hidden in the music keep our minds numb and pockets
empty. Once on
>the rides the really big stuff hits us. By confusing and disorienting the
brain durring the ride, we are
>more open to suggestions.
>
>Wake up out there!
Oh please! Get over yourself! Why blame DL for your lack of willpower when
it comes to buying things. I never feel pressure to buy things except by
normal, legal marketing strategies. Even those don't work on me. Take some
responsibilty for your own actions and don't blame Walt because you can't
control your own brain.
And if you still insist on your claims, then I challenge you: PROVE IT!
Until you do so, you have said absolutely nothing.
Jeffrey A. Kafer
San Francisco State University
796 Font Boulevard #1402 http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~jkafer/welcome.html
San Francisco CA, 94132
(415) 406-5909
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
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Wayne Farmer
>From: sn...@u.washington.edu (Louis Nick III)
>Subject: Subliminal Transmissions at Disney films
>Date: 2 May 1995 04:43:39 GMT
>I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
>(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
>Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
>video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
>they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
>so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
>the theatre's purposes during the previews.
I should point out that there IS a way to defeat the STS, and that's by having
the STS-amplifier chip removed from your buttocks. In the Western world,
these chips are routinely implanted during the immunization injections that
all young children are required to have in order to enter public school.
There is quite a danger, however - that chip has a direct link to your spinal
column, however, so such an operation is delicate and expensive, and is
currently only performed at a hospital on the grounds of the Hotel Portmerion
in northern Wales.
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| | North Carolina | 72377.134 @ compuserve.com |
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Louis Nick III
Wayne Farmer <wa...@rbdc.rbdc.com> wrote:
>In article <3o4d9r$2...@nntp4.u.washington.edu> sn...@u.washington.edu (Louis Nick III) writes:
>>From: sn...@u.washington.edu (Louis Nick III)
>>Subject: Subliminal Transmissions at Disney films
>>Date: 2 May 1995 04:43:39 GMT
>
>>I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
>>(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
>>Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
>>video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
>>they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
>>so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
>>the theatre's purposes during the previews.
>
>I should point out that there IS a way to defeat the STS, and that's by having
>the STS-amplifier chip removed from your buttocks. In the Western world,
>these chips are routinely implanted during the immunization injections that
>all young children are required to have in order to enter public school.
>There is quite a danger, however - that chip has a direct link to your spinal
>column, however, so such an operation is delicate and expensive, and is
>currently only performed at a hospital on the grounds of the Hotel Portmerion
>in northern Wales.
I've been there, it's like a little village. I didn't like the service
though; I felt as though I was being treated like just a number. And
they had the darnedest odd lifeguards...
Jaffo
Andrew S. Damick
good times, and the Celtic band had been excellent. We never thought it
would happen. We never suspected that a test would come to the quiet and
serene Cafe BOB(c). Then, suddenly...
Jaffo (ja...@onramp.net) calmly told us:
: This is like, a test and stuff.
In alt.fan.the-bob? I canna believe it.
The BOB(c) -- Can you?
The Most Spiffo Man on USENET.
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/a/asdamick/www/
Come visit Cafe BOB(c) in alt.fan.the-bob today.
Wednesday
You can't close Cafe BOB(c)!!
You just rotate the waitrons...
>Jaffo (ja...@onramp.net) calmly told us:
>
>: This is like, a test and stuff.
>
>In alt.fan.the-bob? I canna believe it.
>The BOB(c) -- Can you?
I haven't had enough caffiene today to not believe anything.
--
Jesse Garon
S. Damick) wrote:
> Cafe BOB(c) was closing up for the night. It had been a long day with
> good times, and the Celtic band had been excellent. We never thought it
> would happen. We never suspected that a test would come to the quiet and
> serene Cafe BOB(c). Then, suddenly...
>
> Jaffo (ja...@onramp.net) calmly told us:
>
> : This is like, a test and stuff.
>
> In alt.fan.the-bob? I canna believe it.
Hey, there are like zoning regulations and shit in the newsgroup
alt.culture.jesse-garon, and one of them is that we don't do any
cafes. We do diners. Like the place where the Reservoir Dogs eat
breakfast. No coffeehouses. Too foo-foo. Acj-g ain't about foo-
foo stuff, Bob.
__________________
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I am the God damnedest mass of tact known to the human race
BEATRICE -- MAXIMUM CINEMA -- INTERNATIONAL POP OVERTHROW
Even by the standards of the venery-crazed Saxons it was a good day
Many web pages fall in holes. Disappear. Pah! Bad Mojo!
Wednesday
'Jesse Garon' <gri...@primenet.com> wrote:
>Hey, there are like zoning regulations and shit in the newsgroup
>alt.culture.jesse-garon, and one of them is that we don't do any
>cafes. We do diners. Like the place where the Reservoir Dogs eat
>breakfast. No coffeehouses. Too foo-foo. Acj-g ain't about foo-
>foo stuff, Bob.
I would like to point out that, in the screenplay for Pulp Fiction,
Pumpkin and Honey Bunny are eating in a coffeehouse. True, it's really
a diner in the actualization. But it says coffeehouse.
Can't we all just get along? Bacon tastes GOOD.
> Many web pages fall in holes. Disappear. Pah! Bad Mojo!
Elvis is Everywhere.
http://www.tezcat.com/~wednsday/ - - - - - - - w e d n e s d a y @tezcat.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - marek lugowski has no "jesse" in him
Jaffo
Damn, my first Cross-Post and I didn't even do it on purpose.
Jaffo
Maximum Chuck
>
>>In alt.fan.the-bob? I canna believe it.
>
>Damn, my first Cross-Post and I didn't even do it on purpose.
>
>Jaffo
>
there: accidental crosspost.
--
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http://www.primenet.com/~chuckat/
Marlboro Lights * Denny's * Sulawesi Celebes
"The three basic elements for bowel regularity."
Larry Smith USG
In article <3oc6d3$q...@nyx.cs.du.edu>, bcal...@nyx.cs.du.edu (bob calbridge) writes:
>In article <3o665j$3...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>>
>>In article <3o5ldt$d...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, elib...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Eli Balin) writes:
>>>In article <3o5d1d$q...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>>>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>What am I? Rasputin?
>>
>>>Not necessarily. You are like Rasputin, except with a smaller beard.
>>
>>I'm taller, too.
>>
>Not a valid comparison. Rasputin is lying down.
I don't think his veracity is at issue here.
--
Larry Smith --- My opinions only. lar...@zk3.dec.com/lar...@io.com.
"It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into
error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling
into error." - U.S. Supreme Court. And we are doing a damned poor job of it.
Jesse Garon
(Wednesday) wrote:
> In article <grifter-0705...@ip112.lax.primenet.com>,
> 'Jesse Garon' <gri...@primenet.com> wrote:
> >Hey, there are like zoning regulations and shit in the newsgroup
> >alt.culture.jesse-garon, and one of them is that we don't do any
> >cafes. We do diners. Like the place where the Reservoir Dogs eat
> >breakfast. No coffeehouses. Too foo-foo. Acj-g ain't about foo-
> >foo stuff, Bob.
>
> I would like to point out that, in the screenplay for Pulp Fiction,
> Pumpkin and Honey Bunny are eating in a coffeehouse. True, it's really
> a diner in the actualization. But it says coffeehouse.
This is a sign of how Tarantino is starting to listen to foo-foo
European and wannabe European critics and it is affecting his work.
Pretty soon, instead of discussing the lyrics of Madonna in honest
American diners, his characters will start waxing eloquent over
Camus' THE LAST MAN in some espresso joint. Pah. Bad Juju.
__________________
http://www.primenet.com/~grifter
I am the God damnedest mass of tact known to the human race
BEATRICE -- MAXIMUM CINEMA -- INTERNATIONAL POP OVERTHROW
Even by the standards of the venery-crazed Saxons it was a good day
Louis Nick III
Wednesday <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>In article <grifter-0705...@ip112.lax.primenet.com>,
>'Jesse Garon' <gri...@primenet.com> wrote:
>>Hey, there are like zoning regulations and shit in the newsgroup
>>alt.culture.jesse-garon, and one of them is that we don't do any
>>cafes. We do diners. Like the place where the Reservoir Dogs eat
>>breakfast. No coffeehouses. Too foo-foo. Acj-g ain't about foo-
>>foo stuff, Bob.
>
>I would like to point out that, in the screenplay for Pulp Fiction,
>Pumpkin and Honey Bunny are eating in a coffeehouse. True, it's really
>a diner in the actualization. But it says coffeehouse.
Yeah, but... They went there to dine, and it's a lot like the RD diner
or the one in Short Cuts. I mean, they have waitresses who don't make
enough money to take a bullet for the register, busboys who don't give a
fuck that you steal from the manager because they make $1.50/hr, managers
who just want you out of there before you start pluggin' the customers,
and customers who don't know what the fuck's going on. I mean, one
minute, they're eating a Denver omelete, the next minute someone's waving
a gun in there face. You can really cut down on the hero factor in a
place like that professed "coffeehouse" Diner.
>> Many web pages fall in holes. Disappear. Pah! Bad Mojo!
>
>Elvis is Everywhere.
Thankyaverra'much
Louis "I can quote it verbatim if you like" Nick
Michael Straight
Wayne Farmer <wa...@rbdc.rbdc.com> wrote:
>
>I should point out that there IS a way to defeat the STS, and that's by having
>the STS-amplifier chip removed from your buttocks. In the Western world,
>these chips are routinely implanted during the immunization injections that
>all young children are required to have in order to enter public school.
>There is quite a danger, however - that chip has a direct link to your spinal
>column, however, so such an operation is delicate and expensive, and is
>currently only performed at a hospital on the grounds of the Hotel Portmerion
>in northern Wales.
This is old news. A hospital in Belize started doing STS-chip removals
in 1992. The two surgeons who do them were both trained in the US and
did some work at the hospital in Wales, and they supposedly do excellent
work. I worry that if they start doing too much business with US citizens
that our government will "discover" some security threat like they did in
Greneda (I have no information that STS removals were being done in
Greneda, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least).
Of course there are probably dozens of places to get the operation done
in the US (I know of two), but you're not going to find out about them
in some Usenet group.
Michael Straight sez "watch out for subliminal messages!"
FLEOEVDETYHOEUPROEONREWMEILECSOFMOERSGTIRVAENRGEEARDSTVHIESBIITBTLHEEPSRIACYK
Ethical Mirth Gas/"I'm chaste alright."/The Magical Shirt/"Hath grace limits?"
"Halt this grimace!"/Chili Hamster Tag/The Gilt Charisma/"I gather this calm."
Wednesday
'Jesse Garon' <gri...@primenet.com> wrote:
>In article <3okoda$g...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>, wedn...@tezcat.com
>
>> In article <grifter-0705...@ip112.lax.primenet.com>,
>> 'Jesse Garon' <gri...@primenet.com> wrote:
>> >Hey, there are like zoning regulations and shit in the newsgroup
>> >alt.culture.jesse-garon, and one of them is that we don't do any
>> >cafes. We do diners. Like the place where the Reservoir Dogs eat
>> >breakfast. No coffeehouses. Too foo-foo. Acj-g ain't about foo-
>> >foo stuff, Bob.
>>
>> I would like to point out that, in the screenplay for Pulp Fiction,
>> Pumpkin and Honey Bunny are eating in a coffeehouse. True, it's really
>> a diner in the actualization. But it says coffeehouse.
I would like to correct myself. I was half asleep. It's coffee SHOP. Close
enough for government work, synonymous in Canada.
>This is a sign of how Tarantino is starting to listen to foo-foo
>European and wannabe European critics and it is affecting his work.
>Pretty soon, instead of discussing the lyrics of Madonna in honest
>American diners, his characters will start waxing eloquent over
>Camus' THE LAST MAN in some espresso joint. Pah. Bad Juju.
I would like to point out that bacon tastes good at 3rd Coast Coffeehouse
in Chicago, which is slightly artsy but not foo-foo.
Jay C Jachimiak
>
> --
>Larry Smith --- My opinions only. lar...@zk3.dec.com/lar...@io.com.
>"It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling
>into error
Many citizens fall in holes. Disappear. Pah! Bad Mojo!
-Jay
jay...@panix.com in NYC
the "c" stands for "charisma"
Jay C Jachimiak
>
> This is a sign of how Tarantino is starting to listen to foo-foo
> European and wannabe European critics and it is affecting his work.
> Pretty soon, instead of discussing the lyrics of Madonna in honest
> American diners, his characters will start waxing eloquent over
> Camus' THE LAST MAN in some espresso joint. Pah. Bad Juju.
Sheesh, if they start doing that we may as well skip watching the
film and just read the obscure literary references we can find right
here on usenet.
Not that I'm pointing any fingers...
Gardner S Trask
Anyhow, Once again, in that pre-sleep fog (you know, where you are
*almost* asleep, and your body does a jumpstart like you thought there
was ONE more step at the bottom of the stairs) I thought I heard that the
upcoming episode of ER (this Thursday) is directed by Q.T. hizelf.
Now, remember, this is the same state I was in when I thought I heard
"Zima Gold", so it may be a mistake (Bob(c), you may want to put your
patented "possibly a troll" disclaimer at the front of any replies)
But can we get confirmation? Maybe we can come up with our own episode guide.
ER 10:00 (est) - In this episode, the doctors and nurses of ER are
subjected to the lunatic rantings of a homicidal maniac.
Meanwhile, the young residents meet for lunch across the
street and re-enact "waiting for Godot" and "Diner" while
pontification about the jukebox selections. The new
anesthesiologist, Dr. Blonde, creates quit a stir.
Gard "So, you gonna bark all day little doggie?" Trask
Andrew S. The BOB(c) Damick
: Anyhow, Once again, in that pre-sleep fog (you know, where you are
: *almost* asleep, and your body does a jumpstart like you thought there
: was ONE more step at the bottom of the stairs) I thought I heard that the
: upcoming episode of ER (this Thursday) is directed by Q.T. hizelf.
: Now, remember, this is the same state I was in when I thought I heard
: "Zima Gold", so it may be a mistake (Bob(c), you may want to put your
: patented "possibly a troll" disclaimer at the front of any replies)
: But can we get confirmation? Maybe we can come up with our own episode guide.
"Possibly a Trask."
The BOB(c) -- But we can't be sure.
The Most Spiffo Man on USENET.
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/a/asdamick/www/
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/a/asdamick/kibo/
Chris J. Roeder
: >Wake up out there!
: Oh please! Get over yourself! Why blame DL for your lack of willpower when
: it comes to buying things. I never feel pressure to buy things except by
: normal, legal marketing strategies. Even those don't work on me. Take some
: responsibilty for your own actions and don't blame Walt because you can't
: control your own brain.
: And if you still insist on your claims, then I challenge you: PROVE IT!
: Until you do so, you have said absolutely nothing.
Yo,
: Jeffrey A. Kafer
do they pay you more to be hyper?
: ****************************************************************************
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\"I have no doubt at all the Devil grins as seas of ink I spatter... /
\ Ye Gods, forgive my 'literary' sins. The other kind don't matter."/
\________________________________--Service?________________________/
Chris J. Roeder
Wednesday (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote: : In article
: Can't we all just get along? Bacon tastes GOOD.
MMMMmmmmmm, Bacon!
Gardner S Trask
Snap your fingers, maybe that will awaken those from a Disney-induced
Hypnotic trance.
>: Oh please! Get over yourself! Why blame DL for your lack of willpower when
>: it comes to buying things.
NO ONE said ANYTHING about DL. Disney LAND did not force me to do
anything. Disney LAND is just that: LAND, an inanimate object. It is the
purile preverse people at Walt Disney Productions that have encoded the
subliminal messages into the films and theme park P.A. systems. These are
the same people who brought you the nun-bashing sequence in the recent
Goofy Movie.
>I never feel pressure to buy things except by
>: normal, legal marketing strategies. Even those don't work on me. Take some
>: responsibilty for your own actions and don't blame Walt because you can't
>: control your own brain.
Nice getup you have on there. Puma sneaks, Wrangler Jeans, filo shirt and
NAPA baseball cap. Yeah, I can see your the master of your own destiny.
>: And if you still insist on your claims, then I challenge you: PROVE IT!
>: Until you do so, you have said absolutely nothing.
I cite "Subliminal Seduction" a case-study in the effects of sumbliminal
advertising, as well as my previous notations of "inserted" sldes in the
laserdisk versions. Others have well documented the STS system, you just
refuse to listen.
>: Jeffrey A. Kafer
>: ****************************************************************************
Gard "actually, you can't refuse to listen to the STS sound system" Trask
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Jesse Garon
Madison) wrote:
> 'Jesse Garon' (gri...@primenet.com) wrote:
>
> : This is a sign of how Tarantino is starting to listen to foo-foo
> : European and wannabe European critics and it is affecting his work.
> : Pretty soon, instead of discussing the lyrics of Madonna in honest
> : American diners, his characters will start waxing eloquent over
> : Camus' THE LAST MAN in some espresso joint. Pah. Bad Juju.
>
> No, I think it's all the fault of his bozo screenwriting partner who got
> up and talked about urine on the Academy Awards show. Obviously Quentin
> noted the egregious mistake and corrected it once shooting commenced.
He was actually making a badly received, becaue poorly executed,
joke relating to FORREST GUMP. Or so people who have seen the
movie have told me.
__________________
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I am the God damnedest mass of tact known to the human race
BEATRICE -- MAXIMUM CINEMA -- INTERNATIONAL POP OVERTHROW
Many web pages fall in holes. Disappear. Pah! Bad Mojo!
M.J. Lush
Louis Nick III <sn...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
>(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
>Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
>video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
>they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
>so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
>the theatre's purposes during the previews.
I once saw a subliminal advertising executave... but only for a
moment...
--
Michael
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NPC rights activist | Nameless Abominations are people too!
Mr. Ogre
>Louis Nick III <sn...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>I'm sorry, that's not true. Using the theatre's already installed STS
>>(Subliminal Transmission System), which is normally used to plug the
>>Snack Bar, they play these commercials exactly out of phase, sound and
>>video, so that you don't see or hear them. Most movies do this, that's why
>>they always start late. The commercials are paid for by the movie's budget,
>>so it has to packaged with the movie at all time. The STS is re-engaged for
>>the theatre's purposes during the previews.
>I once saw a subliminal advertising executave... but only for a moment...
I used to have a pet amoeba, but it split.
Louis Nick III
I once had a pet frog, but it <SITE>.
How about:
I was born with rights, but they left.
Louis "End of thread" Nick
Ruler of all bugs
tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
>It is the
>purile preverse people at Walt Disney Productions that have encoded the
>subliminal messages into the films and theme park P.A. systems.
Again, prove it.
>Nice getup you have on there. Puma sneaks, Wrangler Jeans, filo shirt and
>NAPA baseball cap. Yeah, I can see your the master of your own destiny.
And your point is....? Yeah brand name things do exist. hell everything is a
brand name. But I choose my products from a wide variety based on quality,
price, and personal taste, not on what I am told to buy.
>I cite "Subliminal Seduction" a case-study in the effects of sumbliminal
>advertising, as well as my previous notations of "inserted" sldes in the
>laserdisk versions. Others have well documented the STS system, you just
>refuse to listen.
If you ask any scientist, they will tell you that one or two or even ten or
fifteen "case studies" (who did these studies, in what scientific journals, I
might add?) do not prove a point. If there is still doubt in the scientific
community, then the point has not been proven. It is still a hypothesis.
Jeffrey A. Kafer
San Francisco State University
796 Font Boulevard #1402 http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~jkafer/welcome.html
San Francisco CA, 94132
(415) 406-5909
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out.
****************************************************************************
Gardner S Trask
>In article <D8By6...@world.std.com>,
> tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
>>Nice getup you have on there. Puma sneaks, Wrangler Jeans, filo shirt and
>>NAPA baseball cap. Yeah, I can see your the master of your own destiny.
>And your point is....? Yeah brand name things do exist. hell everything is a
>brand name. But I choose my products from a wide variety based on quality,
>price, and personal taste, not on what I am told to buy.
yeah. believe that.
>>I cite "Subliminal Seduction" a case-study in the effects of sumbliminal
>>advertising, as well as my previous notations of "inserted" sldes in the
>>laserdisk versions. Others have well documented the STS system, you just
>>refuse to listen.
>If you ask any scientist, they will tell you that one or two or even ten or
>fifteen "case studies" (who did these studies, in what scientific journals, I
>might add?) do not prove a point. If there is still doubt in the scientific
>community, then the point has not been proven. It is still a hypothesis.
Ahhhh, let's test ypu hypothesis. I choose to ask not just "any"
scientist, but Dr. Science hizelf; Oh, Dr. Science, does subliminal
advertising work?
While waiting for his learned answer, I will pick apart the rest of your
inane assertions.
First, have you even seen the book? I cite you a
specific tome because you asked, yet you do not have the courtesy to go
look it up. Shall I cut your food into smaller bites as well? Maybe
match your "giranimals" for tomorrows big field trip? C'mon, go get the
book, have someone read it to you, then we'll talk.
Second, and most disturbing, is your statement : "If there is still doubt
in the scientific community, then the point has not been proven. It is
still a hypothesis."
So .... I guess you and your "Flat World Society" buddies sit
around discuss the Apollo-13 consericy all night. I defy you to state
one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!, So, by your logic, there are NO proofs, only
hypothesis.
Whadda goomba. He asks for reference, I give him a reference. It
dd not come from the science page from Boys Life, or from Beakmans mouth,
so It must not be real. All the worlds a hypothisis, and we are but
chi-squares.
Gard "Of course all of you may be a figment of my imagination" Trask
Michael Straight
Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>
>In article <3oc6d3$q...@nyx.cs.du.edu>, bcal...@nyx.cs.du.edu (bob calbridge) writes:
> >In article <3o665j$3...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
> >Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>In article <3o5ldt$d...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, elib...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Eli Balin) writes:
> >>>In article <3o5d1d$q...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
> >>>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>What am I? Rasputin?
> >>
> >>>Not necessarily. You are like Rasputin, except with a smaller beard.
> >>
> >>I'm taller, too.
> >>
> >Not a valid comparison. Rasputin is lying down.
>
>I don't think his veracity is at issue here.
You misspelled "voracity."
Michael Straight hopes this helps!
Louis Nick III
>Gardner S Trask <tr...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>I cite "Subliminal Seduction" a case-study in the effects of sumbliminal
>>advertising, as well as my previous notations of "inserted" sldes in the
>>laserdisk versions. Others have well documented the STS system, you just
>>refuse to listen.
>
>If you ask any scientist, they will tell you that one or two or even ten or
>fifteen "case studies" (who did these studies, in what scientific journals, I
>might add?) do not prove a point. If there is still doubt in the scientific
>community, then the point has not been proven. It is still a hypothesis.
(STS system is redundant, Gard, but STT System, for Subliminal
Transmission Technology System, is acceptable.)
I submit no reports, no journals, and no scientologists, only the
existence of the STS. Go to any movie theatre, and examine the evidence.
Do you buy snacks?
Do you experience a delay of previews exceeding 30 seconds (standard video
commercial length)?
Do you eat a significant (percentage-wise) portion of snacks during the
previews? (This includes any snacks you might have brought in.)
Do you see or hear commercials before the previews?
I point out YET AGAIN that STS's are not engaged during the feature.
They are engaged during the previews and before, to remove commercials
(advertisers often cannot afford to attach their commercials to a
feature, but it is on the video or disk) not through subliminal
machinations but by simply transmitting the commercial, audio and video,
directly out of phase. STS's computer is required to manipulate the the
theatre's existing projectors and speakers (it works with the amplifiers,
actually) to simply remove the ad.
Why remove the ad? The ad, contractually, is permanentally attached to
the feature, but most advertisers pay only to have it shown on the video
and laserdisk. This contractual attachment has existed since before
these VCR/laserdisk technologies existed. So, STS came to be, and the
purchase of STS is subsidized by the movie industry, which has a
financial stake in the advertisers' NOT getting free ads on feature
films.
As for the physical make-up of the STS, the video portion of the STS is
an extremely high-resolution 3-color LCD in front of the projector. You
might have looked at the projection booth at theatre, it is that piece of
glass in front of the projector. Since the LCD screen is keyed only to
the film itself, any sights inside the booth pass through like an
ordinary glass window. The sound system is slightly more complex. The
projector reads the sound signal(s) off the film, which are transmitted
to the speakers. (Why not cut the audio? It's not allowed in the
contract. Augmenting the signals, however is allowed, or rather, not
disallowed. As you'll see. . . ) The signals are directed, first, through
the STS's computer, which adds its own sound signals, same as that of the
ad, yet out of phase 180 degrees. Sound is canceled.
The computer, usually a 386 these days (no need to upgrade, really), can
be programmed to perform subliminal displays (and play recordings and
subliminally effective speeds) according to the whim of theatre owners,
but programs are extremely difficult to create, so the prepackaged ones,
usually regarding the concession stand, are played, often during the more
overt versions immediately before the feature. Other programs, such as
"Please don't smoke," help keep the environment more favorable to
patrons, and one reads "You feel sufficiently warm" can actually allow
theatre owners to save on heating bills! This only works to a limited
degree (no pun intended), of course.
In conclusion, this system, and the events that stimulated its creation
are more than enough proof of subliminal suggestions in movie theatres.
I think you'll find that studies of subliminal phenomena are inherantly
flawed because of the lack of a control. Every time someone sees a
movie, the STS is in effect, and thus no group exists that isn't
subjected to this very common and ethical process. You may question the
movtives of those who created this system, but, like the economy, it has
come to work in a satisfactory manner without explanation.
Stephanie da Silva
>M.J. Lush <mj...@le.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Louis Nick III <sn...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>I once saw a subliminal advertising executave... but only for a moment...
>
>I used to have a pet amoeba, but it split.
These two atoms were walking down the street.
One of them turned to the other and went, "You know, I think I lost
an electron...."
Gary Lutz
Um... if you're going to post to ALL your subscribed newsgroups, it might be
nice to have them relevant to ALL your newsgroups.
Thanx
******************************************************
Gary J. Lutz
Ruler of all bugs
>Ahhhh, let's test ypu hypothesis. I choose to ask not just "any"
>scientist, but Dr. Science hizelf; Oh, Dr. Science, does subliminal
>advertising work?
Whatever. Again, humor me. Who wrote the book? What are the authors
credentials? And why do you only cite ONE book?
> First, have you even seen the book? I cite you a
>specific tome because you asked, yet you do not have the courtesy to go
>look it up. Shall I cut your food into smaller bites as well? Maybe
>match your "giranimals" for tomorrows big field trip? C'mon, go get the
>book, have someone read it to you, then we'll talk.
Unless you can give me some reason to get the book (c'mon oh master of
subliminal persuasion. MAKE me get it.) why should I waste my time going to
the library or store only to find it is some quack with no degree, education,
nothing? Just because someone writes a bunch of crap doesn't mean it's valid.
Again, show me why this book is worthwhile and why I should believe this
person.
I guess you have never had the proper schooling in argumentation. Let me fill
you in. Personal attacks may feel good, but they have absoluitely no
validity. They undermine what you are trying to say, make you look foolish
and are basically a filler for lack of any empirical evidence to back up your
paper-thin idea. So unless you can say something solid with sound evidence,
you are just ranting.
> So .... I guess you and your "Flat World Society" buddies sit
>around discuss the Apollo-13 consericy all night. I defy you to state
>one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
>truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!, So, by your logic, there are NO proofs, only
Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. Ask any scientist and s/he
will tell you that a hypothesis is almost always a hypothesis. It can be
shown to be true to a certain degree and it can be generally accepted to be
true. But the book is never closed.
Now, let's ask a question just to be sure if I should get this magical book
you are so fond of. What is the basis for his studies? In what controlled
setting was the test done? How many times was it repeated? Is the raw data
available or is it his interpretation of the data? Are his experiments
repeatable (VERY important)? How long ago was it done? If you can answer all
of thses questions satisfactorily, I may dedicate some time to finding the
book. But if he's some fool who likes to spew garbage without himself
conducting any SCIENTIFIC experiments I'm not going to waste my time.
qwerty
> >purile preverse people at Walt Disney Productions that have encoded the
> >subliminal messages into the films and theme park P.A. systems.
>
> Again, prove it.
Would any normal human being beyomd the age of about 10 start jumping up
and down yelling "LOOK! IT'S MICKEY! IT'S MICKEY! YAY!" without some sort
of subliminal coercion when they see a 6 foot mouse running towards them?
--
qwerty, who might do that if it was Goofy.
"This person is quite sane in both his minds." UW OASys99
Larry Smith USG
In article <3ou6ku$m...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, mstr...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Michael Straight) writes:
>In article <3olip8$q...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>>
>>In article <3oc6d3$q...@nyx.cs.du.edu>, bcal...@nyx.cs.du.edu (bob calbridge) writes:
>> >In article <3o665j$3...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>> >Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>In article <3o5ldt$d...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, elib...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Eli Balin) writes:
>> >>>In article <3o5d1d$q...@jac.zko.dec.com>,
>> >>>Larry Smith USG <lar...@alpha.zk3.dec.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>What am I? Rasputin?
>> >>
>> >>>Not necessarily. You are like Rasputin, except with a smaller beard.
>> >>
>> >>I'm taller, too.
>> >>
>> >Not a valid comparison. Rasputin is lying down.
>>
>>I don't think his veracity is at issue here.
> ^^^^^^^^
>You misspelled "voracity."
No, thanks, I just ate.
--
Larry Smith --- My opinions only. lar...@zk3.dec.com/lar...@io.com.
"It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into
Gardner S Trask
jka...@sfsu.edu (Ruler of all bugs) writes:
>In article <D8E9r...@world.std.com>,
> tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
I said:
>> First, have you even seen the book? I cite you a
>>specific tome because you asked, yet you do not have the courtesy to go
>>look it up. Shall I cut your food into smaller bites as well? Maybe
>>match your "giranimals" for tomorrows big field trip? C'mon, go get the
>>book, have someone read it to you, then we'll talk.
He replied:
>Unless you can give me some reason to get the book (c'mon oh master of
>subliminal persuasion. MAKE me get it.) why should I waste my time going to
>the library or store only to find it is some quack with no degree, education,
>nothing? Just because someone writes a bunch of crap doesn't mean it's valid.
> Again, show me why this book is worthwhile and why I should believe this
>person.
I follow up:
Well, first, no one claimed subliminal messages can be incorporated in
mail. That is plain silly. Secondly, the "oh master" comment seems
contrite right after your admonation of "personal" attacks. Third, do your
own homework; you asked for a reference, I gave it. Now, because you want
everything pureed and spoon fed to you, you refuse to do a little leg
work. You label anthing you do not know about as a "piece of crap", until
someone deams it worthy of YOUR precious time. Well, I would not presume
to know what would or would not interest you, so I suggest you get your
lazy butt out of the barkalounger, brush off the chip remnants, wash the
"Jax" dust off your fingers, and go to the library and get a copy.
Previously I had said:
>> So .... I guess you and your "Flat World Society" buddies sit
>>around discuss the Apollo-13 consericy all night. I defy you to state
>>one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
>>truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!, So, by your logic, there are NO proofs, only
To which he replied:
>Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. Ask any scientist and s/he
>will tell you that a hypothesis is almost always a hypothesis. It can be
>shown to be true to a certain degree and it can be generally accepted to be
>true. But the book is never closed.
But, I counter with:
Then, as there are no emperical "truths" in the world, at what "certain
degree" do you accept something as probable, or "real"?
He continues:
>Now, let's ask a question just to be sure if I should get this magical book
>you are so fond of.
I state:
Too lazy to hit the stacks, you impune my reference without having even
seen the cover, let alone read it. You suggest this "magical" book is
tripe, yet you do not even check to see if it exsits. To tired to hit the
library? Try calling reference or your local Barnes & Knobles and ask if
the book is available.
He queries:
>What is the basis for his studies? In what controlled
>setting was the test done? How many times was it repeated? Is the raw data
>available or is it his interpretation of the data? Are his experiments
>repeatable (VERY important)? How long ago was it done? If you can answer all
>of thses questions satisfactorily, I may dedicate some time to finding the
>book. But if he's some fool who likes to spew garbage without himself
>conducting any SCIENTIFIC experiments I'm not going to waste my time.
I wrap up with:
Bullshit. You want me to do all your work. I read the study, I saw the
fact. I did the legwork, and I am satisfied that subliminal advertising
exists.
You don't believe, you ask for reference, yet you refuse to go look up the
references sited. You want me to now cut the book up into bite size pieces
for you to swallow. How about I take out all the monosyllabic words so you
don't get slowed down in the reading. Or better yet, I will get a "books
on tape" copy so your lips won't get tired, like when you read the Sunday
Comics.
Just stick your head in the sand. anything you can't see won't effect you.
Refuse anything that does not hit you in the head like a 2 X 4, life is
so much simplr that way. You better get of this "prove it scientifically"
bent. Otherwise you will dismiss the world of Philisophy, and literature
and all the other romantic, non-emperical arts.
Call me when you read the book.
Gard "A mind is a terrible thing to baste" Trask
Louis Nick III
>qwerty (vnag...@novice.uwaterloo.ca) calmly told us:
>
>: Would any normal human being beyomd the age of about 10 start jumping up
>: and down yelling "LOOK! IT'S MICKEY! IT'S MICKEY! YAY!" without some sort
>: of subliminal coercion when they see a 6 foot mouse running towards them?
>
>
>What if it were Minnie?
Forget trying to be rational. Qwerty clearly thinks that Goofy is a 6
foot mouse.
>The BOB(c) -- Minnie auditioned for Janet Weiss.
You misspelled Capt. Kate Janeway. HTH.
Cool sig, though.
>--
>The USENET Subplot "The BOB(c) is a sort of King of Infinite Space,
>yet he's Bounded by a Nutshell known as USENET." --Louis Nick III
>http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/a/asdamick/www/ alt.fan.the-bob
>C a f e B O B ( c ) - - e s p r e s s o w i t h a t t i t u d e
Robert Hubby
: I defy you to state
: truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!
OK, Troll, I can! ...how's this for a start... Gravity. Show me a scientist who
thinks that if he jumps up in the air that HE WILL NOT COME DOWN (On the
Earth...) Why don't you go pester the other Trolls for once!
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
"Humans, humans everywhere, and not a one can think." - Redwood Elf.
Andy Perry
> Gardner S Trask (tr...@world.std.com) wrote:
> : I defy you to state
> : one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
> : truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!
>
> OK, Troll, I can! ...how's this for a start... Gravity. Show me a
scientist who
> thinks that if he jumps up in the air that HE WILL NOT COME DOWN (On the
> Earth...)
Why do you think this is synonymous with "gravity?" Gravity isn't the
fact that when you jump up you come down. It's the EXPLANATION of that
fact. And yes, there ARE different versions of what it is.
It's always amazing to me that when someone says something that no real
scientist would be threatened by or find at all controversial (such as
scientific "facts" are merely generally accepted hypotheses which could be
disproven), some bozo will come along and feel they have to "defend"
science from this horrible "attack" against it...
--
Andy Perry "We look before and after,
Brown University We pine for what is not;
Dept of English Our sincerest laughter
Andrew...@Brown.edu OR With some pain is fraught."
st00...@Brownvm.bitnet -- Shelley, d'apres Horace Rumpole
Ruler of all bugs
Andrew...@Brown.edu (Andy Perry) wrote:
>It's always amazing to me that when someone says something that no real
>scientist would be threatened by or find at all controversial (such as
>scientific "facts" are merely generally accepted hypotheses which could be
>disproven), some bozo will come along and feel they have to "defend"
>science from this horrible "attack" against it...
My point exactly!!! Now if only Trask would get off his emotional appeal and
think about it...
Ruler of all bugs
will not respond to them.
But you have failed to acknowledge my request. All I want is a simple bio of
the person who wrote it. I am not asking for a life story, just the
credentials of the person, his experience in the field, and why I should waste
my time. After all, anyone can get something published. That doesn't mean I
should believe it or even waste my time searching for it. One opinion
from a nobody doesn't hold much water.
>You don't believe, you ask for reference, yet you refuse to go look up the
>references sited. You want me to now cut the book up into bite size pieces
>for you to swallow. How about I take out all the monosyllabic words so you
>don't get slowed down in the reading. Or better yet, I will get a "books
>on tape" copy so your lips won't get tired, like when you read the Sunday
>Comics.
Feel better? I never said any of that. You are rambling.
>You better get of this "prove it scientifically"
>bent. Otherwise you will dismiss the world of Philisophy, and literature
>and all the other romantic, non-emperical arts.
So should I assume that since you say I should "get of [sic] this 'prove it
scientifically' bent." that the study is not scientific? That would
explain a lot and completely invalidate it as any sort of proof. Does it fall
into the realm you mentioned such as philosophy and literature? I never
mentioned those two areas. But since you did, I might point out that
Philosophy is inherently grounded in logic. While literature may not be, it
is also not trying to prove worldly phenomenon. Therefore your argument is
invalid. Now that that unrelated tangent is resolved, let's stay on the
subject. No more red herrings, if you please.
Again, I ask you to please re-cite your reference (in APA format preferably)
and give a brief abstract. I think you'll find that quite standard.
Thank you for your time.
Louis Nick III
Gardner S Trask
>In article <D8GuM...@world.std.com>,
> tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
>But you have failed to acknowledge my request. All I want is a simple bio of
>the person who wrote it. I am not asking for a life story, just the
>credentials of the person, his experience in the field, and why I should waste
>my time. After all, anyone can get something published. That doesn't mean I
>should believe it or even waste my time searching for it. One opinion
>from a nobody doesn't hold much water.
Once again, do your own homework. You ask for a reference, I give you
one. Then you want an authors bio. Then you want it in APA format with a
brief synopsis. Please. You are so lazy as to want your reseach spoon fed
to you in managable bites. Get off your butt, cross the quad, go to the
library, and pull a copy yourself. Stop assuming other people have to
hand you everything in life. Basically you are lazy.
Lets recap: I make a statement of fact. You refutre that statement, not
because of alternate studies, but because YOU have never heard of it
before. Well Golllllliiiieeee Gomer, have you heard of every single
scientific theory and study? So, you ask for a reference. I provide one.
Now, bcause you have never heard of the author (because it is not Thedore
Guisel or Bill Nye), you want me to cut it up in bite size pieces. Again,
I am supposed to do ALL this extra work simply because YOU never heard of
this field of study.
Well I refuse. And if you wish to refute my position on subliminal
advertising I suggest you do some work and SHOW ME why I may be wrong.
The onus is on you to defend your position now. And "cause I never heard
of it" is not adiquate.
[snip]
>So should I assume that since you say I should "get of [sic] this 'prove it
^^^^^
Ohhhh great, a spelling flame. Is this guy part of alt.syntax? Am I being
trolled? I think so, because all he does is keep spewing out the same
thing over and over and over.
>Thank you for your time.
I'll allow you to waste no more of my time. Prove my assertion is false
with some proof more than "I am ingnorant of this field of study,
therefore it is suspect"
>Jeffrey A. Kafer
>San Francisco State University
Gard "S.F.S.U. If we can't see it, it don't exist" Trask
Gardner S Trask
>Gardner S Trask (tr...@world.std.com) wrote:
>: I defy you to state
>: one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
>: truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!
>OK, Troll, I can! ...how's this for a start... Gravity. Show me a scientist who
>thinks that if he jumps up in the air that HE WILL NOT COME DOWN (On the
>Earth...) Why don't you go pester the other Trolls for once!
>R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
> "Humans, humans everywhere, and not a one can think." - Redwood Elf.
I am sorry ....
I cannot take a scientific challenge from a person who calls themselves
"elfboy" and who primarily hangs aroung in alt.rec.comics.elfquest
debating which female elf has the best body, and if Onan is really Maji's
illigitimate loveshild.
Gard "elfin Magic is not scientific" Trask
Gardner S Trask
>In article <Andrew_Perry-1...@cis-ts3-slip10.cis.brown.edu>,
> Andrew...@Brown.edu (Andy Perry) wrote:
>>It's always amazing to me that when someone says something that no real
>>scientist would be threatened by or find at all controversial (such as
>>scientific "facts" are merely generally accepted hypotheses which could be
>>disproven), some bozo will come along and feel they have to "defend"
>>science from this horrible "attack" against it...
>My point exactly!!! Now if only Trask would get off his emotional appeal and
>think about it...
No, no, no Jeffrey, it is you who fails to support your knee-jerk
naysaying of a scientific field of study you yourself never heard of. I
site references, you site your ignorance as proof.
Gard "Now, if Mr. Wizard did a segment on it, matbe Jeffy would believe"
Joaquin
>
>rah...@sonic.net (Robert Hubby) writes:
>
>>Gardner S Trask (tr...@world.std.com) wrote:
>>: I defy you to state
>>: one, JUST ONE scientific fact that ALL scientists hold as am absolute
>>: truth. YOU CAN'T DO IT!!!
>
>>OK, Troll, I can! ...how's this for a start... Gravity. Show me a
scientist who
>>thinks that if he jumps up in the air that HE WILL NOT COME DOWN (On the
>>Earth...) Why don't you go pester the other Trolls for once!
>
>>R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
>> "Humans, humans everywhere, and not a one can think." - Redwood
Elf.
>
>
>I am sorry ....
>
>
>I cannot take a scientific challenge from a person who calls themselves
>"elfboy" and who primarily hangs aroung in alt.rec.comics.elfquest
>debating which female elf has the best body, and if Onan is really Maji's
>illigitimate loveshild.
>
>
>Gard "elfin Magic is not scientific" Trask
Well, that's about the most blatant logical fallacy that I've seen so far.
The source of a statement has no real bearing on whether the statement is
true or false. If I were a known liar, but told you just before you were
going to walk out into traffic that walking in traffic could get you
killed, the statement is still true.
It seems as though, when faced with a perfectly reasonable answer to your
statement that you resort to a completely irrelevant attack on elman's
person... not a good way to bolster your own credibility.
Joaquin
Gardner S Trask
>Well, that's about the most blatant logical fallacy that I've seen so far.
>The source of a statement has no real bearing on whether the statement is
>true or false. If I were a known liar, but told you just before you were
>going to walk out into traffic that walking in traffic could get you
>killed, the statement is still true.
>It seems as though, when faced with a perfectly reasonable answer to your
>statement that you resort to a completely irrelevant attack on elman's
>person... not a good way to bolster your own credibility.
>Joaquin
I am going to cut you a HUGGGGEEEEE amount of slack this time. You should
know however that our friend "Elf of the redwoods" likes to insert
himself in the middle of threads, make a few inane statements and
insults, and runs to the sidelines to laugh an laugh. My statements were
born as much from contempt as from a history of dealing with this
"Puck"-wannabe.
Gard "That was just a warning shot, after all, I'm not MEAN" Trask
Joaquin
>
>
>I am going to cut you a HUGGGGEEEEE amount of slack this time. You should
>know however that our friend "Elf of the redwoods" likes to insert
>himself in the middle of threads, make a few inane statements and
>insults, and runs to the sidelines to laugh an laugh. My statements were
>born as much from contempt as from a history of dealing with this
>"Puck"-wannabe.
>
>
>Gard "That was just a warning shot, after all, I'm not MEAN" Trask
>
>
Well, that's all fine and good. Really. My desire was not to defend the
Elf guy. I don't know him, and assume that he can take care of himself.
I was interested in your response to his answer to your question. You
asked something like, "I challenge you to find one Scientific idea [I
can't remember the word that you use] that is agreed upon by all
scientists." The answer given was Gravity. I don't really care too much
as to WHO gave the response or why they did it. I'm just interested in
your response to Elf guy's post, having duly noted your general disdain
for the Elf guy.
Joaquin
Gardner S Trask
>Well, that's all fine and good. Really. My desire was not to defend the
>Elf guy. I don't know him, and assume that he can take care of himself.
>I was interested in your response to his answer to your question. You
>asked something like, "I challenge you to find one Scientific idea [I
>can't remember the word that you use] that is agreed upon by all
>scientists." The answer given was Gravity. I don't really care too much
>as to WHO gave the response or why they did it. I'm just interested in
>your response to Elf guy's post, having duly noted your general disdain
>for the Elf guy.
O.k. seein as how you asked so nice-like ....
I will respond to elfboy, pixie of the woods;
But to do so, I must know first, does he mean "Gravity - the
force" or "Gravity the dimension"?
Gard "and yes, there is a difference" Trask
Louis Nick III
Come on, Gard.
EVERY scientist holds as Absolute Truth the Inertia of Time.
(Not Time magazine, though.)
Ruler of all bugs
tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
>No, no, no Jeffrey, it is you who fails to support your knee-jerk
>naysaying of a scientific field of study you yourself never heard of. I
>site references, you site your ignorance as proof.
My God you are stubborn. All I'm asking is that you again give me the author
and name of the book (or books), BECAUSE MY SERVER DOESN'T KEEP THIS SHIT
FOREVER! Geez. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and check out the
book, if you will merely once again, cite it!
>Gard "Now, if Mr. Wizard did a segment on it, matbe Jeffy would believe"
>Trask
Ha! That's actually pretty funny!
Jeffrey A. Kafer
San Francisco State University
Gardner S Trask
>In article <D8LF2...@world.std.com>,
> tr...@world.std.com (Gardner S Trask) wrote:
>>No, no, no Jeffrey, it is you who fails to support your knee-jerk
>>naysaying of a scientific field of study you yourself never heard of. I
>>site references, you site your ignorance as proof.
>My God you are stubborn. All I'm asking is that you again give me the author
>and name of the book (or books), BECAUSE MY SERVER DOESN'T KEEP THIS SHIT
>FOREVER! Geez. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and check out the
>book, if you will merely once again, cite it!
Stubborn yes, MEAN, no.
O.K. Subliminal Seduction, originally published in 1981 and since revised
was written by Wilson Bryan Key. NAL-Duns ISBN# 0451-159519
HTH.
Gard " ^H^H^H^H^H " Trask
Sean Smith
vnag...@novice.uwaterloo.ca (qwerty) wrote:
> > Forget trying to be rational. Qwerty clearly thinks that Goofy is a 6
> > foot mouse.
>
> Now you take that back. Goofy in the greater sense is a lot of things, but
> even I am not so deluded as to think that he is a 6 foot mouse. He's clearly
> some sort of rabbit.
He's a pookah, in fact...
Sean ("My name's Dowd, Eldwood Do--here, let me give you one of muh
cards...") Smith
*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&
"We are all sons, daughters, just produce from the corner grocer
Born on sale day, brought up at bargain prices..."
--Kate and Anna McCarrigle
banana
: I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
: illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
: it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
: damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
: its use.
: Sorry to burst your bubble.
: -Chris
This is false, I'm afraid.
1. Even though the FCC screens Television advertising, OCCASIONALLY
something is slipped past. The FCC cannot screen EVERYTHING.
Of course these businesses usually get away
scot-free on a civil suit, probably a small fine.
2. It *is* legal in movie theaters, because there is no specific law
against it.
3. It is also legal, not to mention extremely present, in MAGAZINE
advertising.
B.D
Robert Hubby
: debating which female elf has the best body, and if Onan is really Maji's
: illigitimate loveshild.
Try getting it right for once, Trask the Troll...that's
"rec.arts.comics.elfquest", "redwood Elf" (My old handle, and I've had it
for years...), and try reading Elfquest or at least looking at the newsgroup
before you try Trolling with the fictitious contents (Who the heck is Onan?
Who is Maji? what's a "Loveshild"? :) Sheesh! You can't even insult people
correctly!)
Tjames Madison
: Sheesh! You can't even insult people correctly!
Gardner, I think we've found your new .sig quote.
--
"like a rolling steel keg rolling on concrete" - Doctor Murdock
RoR-Alucard | h a i l i s a b e a u !
http://www.arlington.com/~tjames/tjames.html
~I'm just a real love diplomat, won't give you no flim-flams~ - black
Doctorb Science
>3. It is also legal, not to mention extremely present, in MAGAZINE
>advertising.
I want a magazine. I think I'll go buy one. That's odd.
--
Sincerely,
Doctorb Science
(The "b" stands for "bargain"!)
P.S. I am not a crackpot.
Wednesday
> "Where am I?" "IN THE VILLAGE."
> "What do you want?" "INFORMATION."
> "Whose side are you on?" "THAT WOULD BE TELLING. WE WANT
> INFORMATION..INFORMATION..INFORMATION.."
> "You won't get it!" "BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, WE WILL."
> "Who are you?" "I AM NUMBER 2."
> "Who is number one?" "YOU ARE NUMBER 6."
> "I am not a number!
> I'm a free man!" (Maniacal laughter)
> - Number six and number two, intro to THE PRISONER.
Do not forget my name/do not forget me/two four six oh one....
http://www.tezcat.com/~wednsday/ - - - - - - - w e d n e s d a y @javert.com
Jay C Jachimiak
> Christopher A. Stansfield (cas...@is.nyu.edu) wrote:
> : I don't want to start an argument, but subliminal advertising is very
> : illegal in the United States, and is NOT used in movie theaters. Once,
> : it was tested as part of an experiment, but the fact that it worked so
> : damn well made it quite unethical, and later, laws were written banning
> : its use.
> : Sorry to burst your bubble.
> : -Chris
>
> This is false, I'm afraid.
>
> 1. Even though the FCC screens Television advertising, OCCASIONALLY
> something is slipped past. The FCC cannot screen EVERYTHING.
> Of course these businesses usually get away
^^ ^
> scot-free on a civil suit, probably a small fine.
^ ^
> 2. It *is* legal in movie theaters, because there is no specific law
^ ^ ^ ^
> against it.
Subliminal advertising is also legal in usenet articles, but is
not welcome. Please do not do that again.
-Jay
jay...@panix.com in NYC
the "c" stands for "caught ya!"
The BOB(c)
: In article <3peddi$a...@boom.sonic.net>, Robert Hubby <rah...@sonic.net> wrote:
: > "Where am I?" "IN THE VILLAGE."
: > "What do you want?" "INFORMATION."
: > "Whose side are you on?" "THAT WOULD BE TELLING. WE WANT
: > INFORMATION..INFORMATION..INFORMATION.."
: > "You won't get it!" "BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, WE WILL."
: > "Who are you?" "I AM NUMBER 2."
: > "Who is number one?" "YOU ARE NUMBER 6."
: > "I am not a number!
: > I'm a free man!" (Maniacal laughter)
: > - Number six and number two, intro to THE PRISONER.
:
: Do not forget my name/do not forget me/two four six oh one....
Where are the leaders of the land? Where are the swells who run this show?
The BOB(c)
--
The USENET Subplot "The BOB(c) is a sort of King of Infinite Space,
yet he's Bounded by a Nutshell known as USENET." -- Louis Nick III
Doctorb Science
>Alright, I'll bite. What's a ntos, and why should I buy one for you?
The new Windows operating system, Windows NT (os)
It's fresh and full of life!