Dab is not worse than FM
DAB sounds worse than FM
<DAB can sound worse than F...@nospam.DAB can sound worse than FM> wrote in
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> It can only seem to be the case like poor audio on radio 2 and some
dab
> stations in mono,otherwise please do not be mislead by DAB sounds worse
than
> FM.
Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnn.
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Sacha
>dab
>> stations in mono,otherwise please do not be mislead by DAB sounds worse
>than
>> FM.
>
>Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnn.
As Shaggy once said, it wasn't me!
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stations in mono,otherwise please do not be mislead by DAB sounds worse than
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PaulNorden
but inferior in the quality of the sound. Sadly the stations are only
broadcasting in MPEG quality of around 128, apart from the odd one broadcasting
in Mono at about 156. Both these are about normal for downloading music on the
internet, but drastically less than the quality of CD. Therefore FM, although
hissy and crackly by comparison, does in fact broadcast superior music quality.
Each time I see a DAB expert on TV plugging away, I chuckle, because they
clearly have been brainwashed. Nonetheless DAB is great to listen to, and Joe
Public would never know. You only have to listen to the pop charts and look at
the junk HiFi's on sale in the High Street to realise that the bulk of the
public know s** all about sound quality.
Paul
Malcolm K.
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> <DAB can sound worse than F...@nospam.DAB can sound worse than FM> wrote in
> message news:ar1g0p$6im$1...@news.netmar.com...
> > It can only seem to be the case like poor audio on radio 2 and some
> dab
> > stations in mono,otherwise please do not be mislead by DAB sounds worse
> than
> > FM.
>
>
> Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnn.
So you managed to work out what he was saying. Well done.
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Malcolm
jesse
place i work radioio ( www.radioio.com ) In March of THIS year we only
has 50 listeners due to our capacity, but Mike (the owner) decided to take
it to the next level, he got a studio and a suite at a network center and
brought in people like myself. Now we're the number one net-only station,
arbitron/measurecast. No gimmics or ads, just the programming and the
website and word of mouth. Dave Matthews emailed us a few weeks ago
to say that its his fav, one of the best compliments Iv gotten as an
engineer.
I recommend hearing the windows128, else the mpeg128. Its a fraunhofer
codec at the moment but soon well switch to a custom codec with a 20kHz
cutoff @ 128k (not lame, lmao) The codec is a huge huge issue with alot of
dab, alot of webcasters just dont know how to listen for quality. Another
big thing is a properly balanced sound so that the codec, which works by
using a masking curve based on the ear, can better represent the original
frequencies.
I do agree with the bitrate issues, we'll be rolling out a new 196k mpeg4
stream sometime after we get the new password login stuff done, but that
will improve quality even more for our supporting listeners, using a
multi-platform system.
Weather dab does or doesnt sound better than fm it does sound different,
especially considering the unpredictability of the deemphasis from one
reciever to the next, and the lack of knowledge about codecs amongst typical
dab broadcasters. Pleanty of casters dont know about ogg for instance (
www.vorbis.com ) or p2p broadcasting technology.
me 2cents,
Jesse
Chief Engineer, RadioIO
Mike Brown
can sound worse than FM wrote:
> It can only seem to be the case like poor audio on radio 2 and some dab
> stations in mono,otherwise please do not be mislead by DAB sounds worse than
> FM.
Don't panic, I don't think anyone here is misled by Steve. We all
understand that DAB is potentially better than FM and as implemented
across most of mainland Europe, it is. But here is the UK where we
have deaf and greedy fuckwits running our broadcasting organisations
things are rather different.
> poor audio on radio 2 and some dab stations in mono
It's unfair to single out R2; there's nothing wrong with R2's audio as
fed to the encoder - it sounded great a year ago before the
bit-burgling started. Most independent stations are far worse.
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Charles Turner
Strange thing with Key 130, in Manchester, if you compare FM to DAB when
they are playing music DAB sound a fair bit worse. When you compare speech
DAB sounds it's even more dire for some reason, just about the same quality
as Bloomberg. Odd really.
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Aztech
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But the public do care about price, and they're not going to pay a x5 premium
for something which is no better than its predecessor, manufacturers know this,
that's why they aren't bothered to integrate tuners into standard kit.
Az.
Diphthong
Is it panto season already?!
Oh yes it is!
DSAT is fine coming from a telly, but painful to listen to closely.
DAB uses even lower bit rates, I shudder to think how bad it is.
Fine for the car, I suppose.
*sigh*
DAB sounds worse than FM
"PaulNorden" <pauln...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry folks. Dab Digital Radio is superior in it's low noise delivery
system
> but inferior in the quality of the sound. Sadly the stations are only
> broadcasting in MPEG quality of around 128, apart from the odd one
broadcasting
> in Mono at about 156. Both these are about normal for downloading music
on the
> internet,
Music downloaded off the internet is mp3, DAB uses mp2. mp3 is about 33%
more efficient than mp2 at low bit rates so 128kbps mp3 is about the
equivalent of 160kbps mp2.
> but drastically less than the quality of CD. Therefore FM, although
> hissy and crackly by comparison, does in fact broadcast superior music
quality.
Correct.
> Each time I see a DAB expert on TV plugging away, I chuckle, because
they
> clearly have been brainwashed.
I think they know what is what, but they're doing the brainwashing. That is
iIf they are a DAB expert. Some of the DAB industry don't know what they're
talking about.
> Nonetheless DAB is great to listen to, and Joe
> Public would never know.
Er, right. Fantastic. Why not just drop everything to the lowest common
denominator crap because Joe Average doesn't understand digital audio? Sod
that.
> You only have to listen to the pop charts and look at
> the junk HiFi's on sale in the High Street to realise that the bulk of the
> public know s** all about sound quality.
That is no excuse to use crap audio quality on DAB which was supposed to
offer a step change improvement in the audio quality I'm afraid.
DAB sounds worse than FM
"Malcolm K." <myname...@spam-trap.co.uk> wrote in message
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Just!
I think our friend Neil has returned to be honest.
DAB sounds worse than FM
"Diphthong" <neverche...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> DAB can sound worse than F...@nospam.DAB can sound worse than FM wrote in
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> Is it panto season already?!
>
> Oh yes it is!
>
> DSAT is fine coming from a telly, but painful to listen to closely.
Then get a DSat receiver with a digital audio output.
> DAB uses even lower bit rates, I shudder to think how bad it is.
It is bad.
> Fine for the car, I suppose.
>
> *sigh*
Quite....
Bri
Most broadcast music is unimaginative rehashed trash anyway.
Just watched Top Of The Pops, creativity alive and well, HA. Westlife
number one for the 11th time...
Bri
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Shaggy
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> As Shaggy once said, it wasn't me!
"It Wasn't Me!!!"..
:)
Lewis
> internet, but drastically less than the quality of CD.
Yes, but that's MPEG1-LayerIII, which at 128k is marginally better than
MPEG1-LayerII which is what DAB uses. Then you have the crap compression
etc.
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Lewis.