Your opponent rolls before you pick up the dice
jag
but you've moved your checkers, so what happens next?
a) You complete your move by picking up the dice and your opponent's roll
stands.
b) You complete your move by picking up the dice and ask your opponent to
roll again.
c) Your opponent's roll stands, but you can change your move to play
against the roll.
d) You have the choice of playing against the roll or making your opponent
roll again.
e) Other.
I would very much appreciate input in this matter, which arose during a
choutte last night. I was cap, the guy in the box rolled before I'd picked
up my dice and I (and a more experienced player in the team) asked him to
roll again, which is the rule I've always played by, b) above. After he'd
lost 32pts (4 cubes on 8), he complained that we'd made him roll again only
because his first roll was a 'crusher'. He said that normal practice was c)
above, ie I could change my play knowing his roll but his roll would stand.
Anyway, if people could follow up with their local/social and tournament
rules, I'd be grateful so I could at least see what the consensus is.
TIA,
James Grenier
whois jag on FIBS and NOBS
Stephen Turner
jag wrote:
>
> but you've moved your checkers, so what happens next?
>
> a) You complete your move by picking up the dice and your opponent's roll
> stands.
>
> b) You complete your move by picking up the dice and ask your opponent to
> roll again.
>
> c) Your opponent's roll stands, but you can change your move to play
> against the roll.
>
> d) You have the choice of playing against the roll or making your opponent
> roll again.
>
> e) Other.
>
In BIBA tournaments, we play (c). This seems to reduce the number of premature
rolls substantially because there is a large penalty against them. But I'm not
sure this is common in other parts of the world.
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Kit Woolsey
jag (j...@cityscape.co.uk) wrote:
: but you've moved your checkers, so what happens next?
: a) You complete your move by picking up the dice and your opponent's roll
: stands.
: b) You complete your move by picking up the dice and ask your opponent to
: roll again.
: c) Your opponent's roll stands, but you can change your move to play
: against the roll.
: d) You have the choice of playing against the roll or making your opponent
: roll again.
: e) Other.
: I would very much appreciate input in this matter, which arose during a
: choutte last night. I was cap, the guy in the box rolled before I'd picked
: up my dice and I (and a more experienced player in the team) asked him to
: roll again, which is the rule I've always played by, b) above. After he'd
: lost 32pts (4 cubes on 8), he complained that we'd made him roll again only
: because his first roll was a 'crusher'. He said that normal practice was c)
: above, ie I could change my play knowing his roll but his roll would stand.
: Anyway, if people could follow up with their local/social and tournament
: rules, I'd be grateful so I could at least see what the consensus is.
: TIA,
: James Grenier
: whois jag on FIBS and NOBS
Technically, there is no question that b) is correct. Your move ends
when you have picked up your dice, not before. Your opponent cannot roll
while you are still making your move. Therefore, he should reroll.
As a practical matter there is a fair amount of tailgating (rolling
before the opponent has picked up his dice) in chouettes, particularly in
races and where there are forced moves. Some players do it by habit.
However it can lead to trouble, as well as some sharp practices. Some
chouettes may tolerate it, but I don't recommend it.
In a tournament, this is what I would recommend you do. The first time
your opponent tailgates, do not touch your dice. Instead, grab his dice
before they have a chance to land. After doing this, ask him politely to
not tailgate. If he persists in doing so again, once again leave your
dice alone. This time, call the tournament director. As long as you
have not picked up your dice you can never get an unfavorable ruling --
if he rolled a crusher he will have to reroll it.
Also, don't get into the tailgating habit yourself. My policy is to
never start shaking my dice seriously until my opponent has picked up his
dice, even in a race. This slight delay avoids the tailgating problem,
which is best.
Kit
Julian
In article: <kwoolsey...@netcom.com> kwoo...@netcom.com (Kit
Woolsey) writes:
> Also, don't get into the tailgating habit yourself. My policy is to
> never start shaking my dice seriously until my opponent has picked up his
> dice, even in a race. This slight delay avoids the tailgating problem,
> which is best.
It also avoids irritating your opponent. An even worse habit is fingering
the cube before your opponent picks up the dice...
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Marina Smith
In tournaments, I have often found this a problem. It seems to be
tolerated, but it makes me feel rushed. Last weekend, when my opponent
rolled before I had picked up my dice, during the first game I let it
stand. At the end of the game I politely asked him not to do it and he
stopped the practice, though at times it was obviously difficult not
to do it as a matter of habit. I shall ask sooner next time.
mas
kwoo...@netcom.com (Kit Woolsey) wrote:
>As a practical matter there is a fair amount of tailgating (rolling
>before the opponent has picked up his dice) in chouettes, particularly in
>races and where there are forced moves. Some players do it by habit.
>However it can lead to trouble, as well as some sharp practices. Some
>chouettes may tolerate it, but I don't recommend it.
>
>In a tournament, this is what I would recommend you do. The first time
>your opponent tailgates, do not touch your dice. Instead, grab his dice
>before they have a chance to land. After doing this, ask him politely to
>not tailgate. If he persists in doing so again, once again leave your
>dice alone. This time, call the tournament director. As long as you
>have not picked up your dice you can never get an unfavorable ruling --
>if he rolled a crusher he will have to reroll it.
>
>Also, don't get into the tailgating habit yourself. My policy is to
>never start shaking my dice seriously until my opponent has picked up his
>dice, even in a race. This slight delay avoids the tailgating problem,
>which is best.
>
>Kit
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Andy Latto
In article <AE5061B0...@cisds33.demon.co.uk> j...@cityscape.co.uk (jag) writes:
Your opponent rolls before you pick up the dice,
but you've moved your checkers, so what happens next?
a) You complete your move by picking up the dice and your opponent's roll
stands.
b) You complete your move by picking up the dice and ask your opponent to
roll again.
c) Your opponent's roll stands, but you can change your move to play
against the roll.
d) You have the choice of playing against the roll or making your opponent
roll again.
e) Other.
In US tournaments, B is the rule. In the international tournament rules,
a different rule is used: I remember being warned about this when I played
in a tournament in Costa Rica. I know that the rule was one that penalized
early rolling more severely than the US rule, and I'm pretty sure
it was either C or D, but I can't remember which.
In chouettes, local customs prevail. In some cases, these customs may
involve different rules for contact and non-contact positions. My personal
preference is for C. This discourages fast-rolling, while allowing an immediate
roll to speed things up in any situation where there is only one reasonable
move.
Andy Latto
an...@harlequin.com
Ivo Lima Brasil Junior
jag wrote:
> a) You complete your move by picking up the dice and your opponent's roll
> stands.
> b) You complete your move by picking up the dice and ask your opponent to roll again.
> c) Your opponent's roll stands, but you can change your move to play against the roll.
> d) You have the choice of playing against the roll or making your opponent roll again.
> e) Other.
> I would very much appreciate input in this matter, which arose during a choutte last night. I was cap, the guy in the box rolled before I'd picked
> up my dice and I (and a more experienced player in the team) asked him to roll again, which is the rule I've always played by, b) above. After he'd lost 32pts (4 cubes on 8), he complained that we'd made him roll again only because his first roll was a 'crusher'. He said that normal practice was c) above, ie I could change my play knowing his roll but his roll would stand.
> Anyway, if people could follow up with their local/social and tournament rules, I'd be grateful so I could at least see what the consensus is.
>
> TIA,
> James Grenier
> whois jag on FIBS and NOBS
Here in Brazil, in tournments we always use b), and like Kit posted, you
preferably grab your opponents dice even before they land.
In chouette this happens more offen, so we make an agreement before the
chouette starts, of what to do in that case, and more often we choose d)
because I think is the worse for the opponent (gives you the advantage
of choosing between playing or not against his roll), making him roll
early less often.
Ivo BJ
(IvoBJ in FIBS and GG)
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