Reaction Questions
Jason Mowat
If I play a WWEF as a reaction, and then play a superior Deflection, does
the vampire stay untapped (as per Deflection text)?
If an enemy tries to bleed me, can I only play reactions to the action, or
can I play reactions after any action modifiers have been played? For
example, I have a vamp with DOM, and my opponent bleeds me with Arika (+2
bleed); she does this with a Govern the Unaligned (+2 bleed). At this
point, can I wait to play a Deflection to see if Arika plays Conditioning?
If she does not play Conditioning (or any other booster), can I still
deflect after she states that she is no longer modifying the action?
Essentially, what I want to know is when EXACTLY it is legal to play
reactions, taking into account action modifiers by acting minions. I would
like to play my deflection after my predator beefs up the bleed to ghastly
levels, but I want to make sure it is legal.
Cheers,
Jason
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"Jason Mowat" <jmo...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Greets,
>
> If I play a WWEF as a reaction, and then play a superior Deflection,
does
> the vampire stay untapped (as per Deflection text)?
The (superior) deflection reads "...do not tap this vampire";
so, if your deflecting vamp was already tapped, he remains tapped.
>
> If an enemy tries to bleed me, can I only play reactions to the
action, or
> can I play reactions after any action modifiers have been played? For
> example, I have a vamp with DOM, and my opponent bleeds me with Arika
(+2
> bleed); she does this with a Govern the Unaligned (+2 bleed). At this
> point, can I wait to play a Deflection to see if Arika plays
Conditioning?
> If she does not play Conditioning (or any other booster), can I still
> deflect after she states that she is no longer modifying the action?
> Essentially, what I want to know is when EXACTLY it is legal to play
> reactions, taking into account action modifiers by acting minions. I
would
> like to play my deflection after my predator beefs up the bleed to
ghastly
> levels, but I want to make sure it is legal.
Until the action resolves, as long as the acting minion modifies his
action you can legally react after (or before) every act modifier he or
she plays.
Hope this help.
Regards
Emiliano, Prince of Rome
>
> Cheers,
> Jason
>
>
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"Jason Mowat" <jmo...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Greets,
>
> If I play a WWEF as a reaction, and then play a superior Deflection,
does
> the vampire stay untapped (as per Deflection text)?
No, because WWEF does not untap your vampire, but rather, this tapped
vampire may block and play reaction cards as if untapped for the
duration of this action.
> If an enemy tries to bleed me, can I only play reactions to the
action, or
> can I play reactions after any action modifiers have been played? For
> example, I have a vamp with DOM, and my opponent bleeds me with Arika
(+2
> bleed); she does this with a Govern the Unaligned (+2 bleed). At this
> point, can I wait to play a Deflection to see if Arika plays
Conditioning?
> If she does not play Conditioning (or any other booster), can I still
> deflect after she states that she is no longer modifying the action?
> Essentially, what I want to know is when EXACTLY it is legal to play
> reactions, taking into account action modifiers by acting minions. I
would
> like to play my deflection after my predator beefs up the bleed to
ghastly
> levels, but I want to make sure it is legal.
You may play reaction cards by and untapped vampire in response to any
action modifiers you predator may play. So therefore, you may play a
deflection in response to your predators boosting of his bleed, even if
you have already declined to block.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.
X_Zealot
Archon of the Swamp
Jeffrey Moore
asked "are you blocking?" Other Meth said, "No" So the Malk thought
he was in and laid down Conditioning. The other Meth lays down
deflection and the argument was on, lol. The Malk player stated " I
already got through for one pool." The other Meth said "bleeding, see
the card! You are still bleeding me!"
I sided with the Malk player because I don't think you should have to
ask, "Are you bOuNcInG? (in whiny nerd voice, of course)" Where's the
surprise element...and the fun? I feel that if you say "no" to
blocking a bleed action, you should not have any chance (save a Master
out of Turn or reduce bleed cards) to do anything to stop it. I can see
this is going to be another annoying timing loophole. Perhaps another
exhausting re-write with the words "attempting to bleed" would clear it
up.
Jeff
Prince of Cleveland
"OOKLA, ARIEL, RIDE!"
Thundarr, the Barbarian
Gomi no Sensei
<14678-39...@storefull-147.iap.bryant.webtv.net>:
When you decline to block, that's all you're declining. If you're free
to play a bleed-reduction reaction like Telepathic Counter, you're free
to play a redirection reaction like Deflection. There is no timing
loophole or issue. Refer to rulebook section 6.2 ut infra for details
on the action and blocking process.
It is legal to play non-blocking related reaction cards after declining a
block but before the resolution of the action. Deflection is not any
different from Delaying Tactics or Telepathic Counter.
gomi
--
There are enough people who have a brain-cell to their credit and
yet still disagree with me that I don't feel any need to argue with
morons. -- M. Lorton
Derek Ray
Moore) wrote:
> I sided with the Malk player because I don't think you should have to
>ask, "Are you bOuNcInG? (in whiny nerd voice, of course)" Where's the
"Are you bouncing?" "Up the bleed and find out."
>surprise element...and the fun? I feel that if you say "no" to
That is the surprise. "Surprise, Mr. Bleeder... it's not me anymore."
Where's the fun in the bleeder always having a hideous advantage?
Answer: none. Everyone plays the fastest bleed deck they can and
whoever gets lucky wins. Booooring.
Not like saying "I'm not blocking" with an untapped minion with
Dominate isn't totally obvious.
>blocking a bleed action, you should not have any chance (save a Master
>out of Turn or reduce bleed cards) to do anything to stop it. I can see
Gee, let's make the Presence and Dominate bleed decks even more
powerful than they were before. Right now there's a balance - you can
drop the nuke, but they can bounce it. But if they decide not to
block, you can drop the nuke and they can't go back and block.
>this is going to be another annoying timing loophole. Perhaps another
>exhausting re-write with the words "attempting to bleed" would clear it
Perhaps you not exhausting yourself attempting to think would clear it
up as well. No, I correct myself - it's patently obvious you DON'T
think.
-- Derek
Jack-Booted Thug of Atlanta
Jeffrey Moore
wearing poser, Derek. Kinda rude there fella, lol. Just stating an
opinion on another aspect of Jyhad that I disagree on. Funny how you
personally take so much offense to my rants. It's ok to be whiny and
nerdy, really. Believe me, I am SO in the "KILL THE HIGH BLEEDERS"
camp, but I don't think that's how deflection was designed to work.
Look at Redirection, it says "attempting". If you lost pool, the
minion not only attempted but was successful. So why would you be able
to play a redirection? Why isn't it worded like deflection or
telepathic misdirection, i.e. "bleeding"? Telepathic counter is
different and HAS to be played AFTER a bleed in the same way fotitude
cards have to be played after damage is done 'cause you can't predict
what amounts you will lose. Hey, that's the way I feel about it.
Jeff
Prince of Cleveland
"EEENIK-CHOCK!"
Apache Chief
LSJ
> Look at Redirection, it says "attempting". If you lost pool, the
> minion not only attempted but was successful. So why would you be able
> to play a redirection?
Redirection is played before you've lost pool.
But you don't lose pool the moment you say "I don't block" - the acting
methuselah still gets to play action modifiers (like Conditioning) and
the target Methuselah still gets to play reaction cards (like Telepathic
Counter or Deflection), and other Methuselah still get to play reactions
(like Ignis Fatuus).
> Why isn't it worded like deflection or
> telepathic misdirection, i.e. "bleeding"?
The two phrasings are equivalent. Many examples of equivalent phrasings
being used whe they "should" be identical can be found.
> Telepathic counter is
> different and HAS to be played AFTER a bleed in the same way fotitude
Telepathic Counter can be played at any time during the bleed. [6.2]
It cannot be played after the bleed (after losing pool).
> cards have to be played after damage is done 'cause you can't predict
> what amounts you will lose. Hey, that's the way I feel about it.
Damage prevention effects can only be used if you have pending damage
to prevent - and they must be used before you handle that damage (pay
a blood to heal or to prevent destruction or whatever). [6.4.6]
--
LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Derek Ray
Moore) wrote:
>Thanks douche! lol, Always nice to hear from ol' fascist jack boot
>wearing poser, Derek. Kinda rude there fella, lol. Just stating an
I enjoy being rude. It brings me much amusement, especially under
specific circumstances - such as being rude to fools.
>opinion on another aspect of Jyhad that I disagree on. Funny how you
>personally take so much offense to my rants. It's ok to be whiny and
I'm not taking offense, I just think you're a damned fool. =) And I
couldn't resist the opportunity to point it out one more time. =)
>nerdy, really. Believe me, I am SO in the "KILL THE HIGH BLEEDERS"
>camp, but I don't think that's how deflection was designed to work.
>Look at Redirection, it says "attempting". If you lost pool, the
>minion not only attempted but was successful. So why would you be able
However, you don't lose pool until the action is completely finished.
This means after all action modifiers have been played, and all
reactions have been played to those action modifiers. Per the rules,
the reacting Methuselah always has the opportunity to play a card
AFTER the acting Methuselah plays a card.
>to play a redirection? Why isn't it worded like deflection or
>telepathic misdirection, i.e. "bleeding"? Telepathic counter is
because "attempting to bleed" more accurately describes the action,
and Sabbat was printed after Jyhad/V:TES?
>different and HAS to be played AFTER a bleed in the same way fotitude
>cards have to be played after damage is done 'cause you can't predict
>what amounts you will lose. Hey, that's the way I feel about it.
Actually, you can play Telepathic Counter on a person bleeding you for
2 (with Social Charm, say) and they can still play an action modifier
like Aire of Elation to increase the bleed. It's a two-way street.
The action isn't done until both players are finished playing cards.
You can even play TC at superior on a person bleeding you for 1
(making the current action a bleed for -1), and they can add superior
Conditioning to it to make it a total bleed of 2.
Love and Kisses,
James Coupe
Jeffrey Moore <Trut...@webtv.net> writes
>If you lost pool, the
>minion not only attempted but was successful. So why would you be able
1.6.1.5 on Sequencing, in the V:TES Rules PDF.
Once they have played Conditioning, a new sequencing phase opens whereby
they can play more cards, and then you can.
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they've kept women dumb? She's an innocent maiden but then so am I, that's why
it's possible I could get by."