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Jenna

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Apr 6, 2001, 6:23:00 PM4/6/01
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I don't believe Christianity is a "religion" as such. I think that religion
is what the priests and other leaders where into. Religion has rules and
other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!
You don't HAVE to go to church every week to be a Christian! Some people may
live hundreds of miles away from one, but they are still Christian. You
don't HAVE to be an elder or a special person to have communion at church.
Jesus broke the bread and poured the wine for all of us, so we can remember
him.
Both of these are rules and there are many others. That's when people get
all caught up in "religion" instead of Christianity. I do believe that you
should follow the ten commandments, but where did all this other rot come
from?


God's Creator

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Thus spake GOD'S CREATOR;


They came from the (10) Commandments.


These GOOD! people were (10) Commandments enforcers ?
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Victor Szulc

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Apr 6, 2001, 7:05:37 PM4/6/01
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> is what the priests and other leaders where into. Religion has rules and
> other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!

So in other words, you wouldn't mind having wild lesbian sex while smoking a
joint and cursing your parents?


3Lo||ipopz-1Red,2B|ue!

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Apr 6, 2001, 8:19:30 PM4/6/01
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Simply, Christians do not need to live by the law
they live under grace. If it was not for the law unsaved
people would not know that they are/have sinned(ing)

Lollipop


*Nemo*

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Apr 6, 2001, 9:04:20 PM4/6/01
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Jenna <nor...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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> I don't believe Christianity is a "religion" as such.

Isn't a religion just a set of beliefs about God? What's wrong with
accepting the fact that you are just as religious as the average person from
other religions?

> I think that religion
> is what the priests and other leaders where into. Religion has rules and
> other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!

Didn't Paul write that Christians would differ from Jews in that they would
have God's law written in their hearts? Seems to me that this at the very
least means there *are* rules.

> You don't HAVE to go to church every week to be a Christian! Some people
may
> live hundreds of miles away from one, but they are still Christian. You
> don't HAVE to be an elder or a special person to have communion at church.
> Jesus broke the bread and poured the wine for all of us, so we can
remember
> him.
> Both of these are rules and there are many others. That's when people get
> all caught up in "religion" instead of Christianity. I do believe that you
> should follow the ten commandments,

So you follow some set of rules - they just don't define you in your
religion. I understand, I think. But it appears you still have a lot of
details of just *what* it is you actually believe.

> but where did all this other rot come
> from?

The Bible, would be my guess.

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Leslie Terrell

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Apr 6, 2001, 10:13:06 PM4/6/01
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Jenna <nor...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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> I don't believe Christianity is a "religion" as such. I think that
religion
> is what the priests and other leaders where into.

Jenna, a religion is defined as set of beliefs, customs, or rituals
associated with a particular diety, to whom worship and honor are devoted.
A religion usually has a founder, a moral teacher of some kind, and such and
such... you get the idea, Christianity is a religion.

Religion has rules and
> other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!
> You don't HAVE to go to church every week to be a Christian! Some people
may
> live hundreds of miles away from one, but they are still Christian. You
> don't HAVE to be an elder or a special person to have communion at church.
> Jesus broke the bread and poured the wine for all of us, so we can
remember
> him.

I think you're being silly. ;-)
I see a point in this that sometimes we make these things into idols, and
treat them as more important than God. That is a problem... but I don't
think it's a problem with most Christians, not so much that the idolitry is
worse than the worship and fellowship is good. Part of the reason we have
priests, pastors and elders is because certain people in the church need to
be educated enough to understand just what it is we believe about communion,
worship etc. We need educated leaders so we dont' fall away so easily.

> Both of these are rules and there are many others. That's when people get
> all caught up in "religion" instead of Christianity. I do believe that you
> should follow the ten commandments, but where did all this other rot come
> from?

2000 years of tradition, started by Paul and the 12 apostles. (Who got the
notion from Jesus.)
Traditions are tools, and must not become idols, Jenna, but to assume that
all traditions are idols is throwing away valuable expressions of faith that
can help us understand more about God.

--
Pax Christi,
Les
--
I've got a fifty pound bag of corn molded
to my ass and I'm comfortable.
~My little brother.

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Jenna

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Apr 7, 2001, 1:11:24 AM4/7/01
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Yes. Thanks 3Lollopopz!
I saw someone mention Christianity as a religion in a message from about a
week ago... just thought I would say it.

3Lo||ipopz-1Red,2B|ue! <3loll...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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Jenna

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Apr 7, 2001, 1:14:03 AM4/7/01
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Yes, I know my newsgroup message may have sounded dumb, but my friend the
other day said at their church they have to be a certain age, and have to be
pretty much "accepted" to the church to have communion! I was quite confused
because I have been having communion practically my whole life... and I
think that some churches can get confused with the whole thing.


Leslie Terrell <sis...@mydeja.com> wrote in message
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Leslie Terrell

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Apr 7, 2001, 12:44:26 PM4/7/01
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Jenna <nor...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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> Yes, I know my newsgroup message may have sounded dumb, but my friend the
> other day said at their church they have to be a certain age, and have to
be
> pretty much "accepted" to the church to have communion! I was quite
confused
> because I have been having communion practically my whole life... and I
> think that some churches can get confused with the whole thing.

Different churches look at it different ways. I'm sure they have their
reasons. (we have three year olds taking communion at my church, so I
_really_ don't get it.)

T

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Apr 7, 2001, 2:49:47 PM4/7/01
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<snip>

> (we have three year olds taking communion at my church, so I
> _really_ don't get it.)

oh yeah? well WE have two year olds taking communion at MY church.... :oŞ
ok...maybe not.

Suzi

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Apr 7, 2001, 4:38:01 PM4/7/01
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T <twe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> > (we have three year olds taking communion at my church, so I
> > _really_ don't get it.)
>
> oh yeah? well WE have two year olds taking communion at MY church.... :oŞ
> ok...maybe not.

At my church you start taking communion after you have been baptized and
become a Christian...

AntiSocial

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Apr 7, 2001, 6:24:27 PM4/7/01
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Victor Szulc wrote:

Damn it Victor, learn some tact. Start her small, you know, a make-out session
with a close friend in the back of hot-boxed car.

AntiSocial

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Apr 7, 2001, 6:23:02 PM4/7/01
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Yeah, another one of those wonderful "free-thinking" christians. Go back to the
new age section of Barnes & Noble, dear.

Leslie Terrell

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Apr 7, 2001, 6:29:27 PM4/7/01
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T <twe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> > (we have three year olds taking communion at my church, so I
> > _really_ don't get it.)
>
> oh yeah? well WE have two year olds taking communion at MY church.... :oŞ
> ok...maybe not.

If you wanna get particular, baptised infants take communion there too. ;-)

--
Pax Christi,
Les
--

Daughter, there are two lists of people that you should keep.
One list that you piss off as much as possible so they'll leave
you alone. The other list is of people that can just kiss your
ass.

~ My Dad

Marlene Capps

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Apr 7, 2001, 7:05:43 PM4/7/01
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3Lo||ipopz-1Red,2B|ue! <3loll...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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Excuse me...but... why would "you" need a law to tell "you" that unsaved
people are sinners. You live by grace alone and no need to follow any laws.
'You," know the laws for "those" wretched sinners and yet you are graced to
live by your own rules and no laws pertain to you? Something is wrong with
this picture. Did I see it like you meant it? I sure hope I am wrong.

God Blesses,
Marlene


God's Creator

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Apr 7, 2001, 7:21:19 PM4/7/01
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Jenna wrote:
>
> Yes, I know my newsgroup message may have sounded dumb, but my friend the
> other day said at their church they have to be a certain age, and have to be
> pretty much "accepted" to the church to have communion! I was quite confused
> because I have been having communion practically my whole life... and I
> think that some churches can get confused with the whole thing.
>

> Leslie Terrell <sis...@mydeja.com> wrote in message
> news:3ace7...@corp.newsfeeds.com...

> > Jenna, a religion is defined as set of beliefs, customs, or rituals
> > associated with a particular diety, to whom worship and honor are devoted.
> > A religion usually has a founder, a moral teacher of some kind, and such

> > such... you get the idea, Christianity is a religion.

> Leslie also wrote in news:3ace7...@corp.newsfeeds.com


> > 2000 years of tradition, started by Paul and the 12 apostles. (Who got the
> > notion from Jesus.)
> > Traditions are tools, and must not become idols, Jenna, but to assume that
> > all traditions are idols is throwing away valuable expressions of faith that
> > can help us understand more about God.
> >
> > --
> > Pax Christi,
> > Les
> > --
> > I've got a fifty pound bag of corn molded
> > to my ass and I'm comfortable.
> > ~My little brother.

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Thus spake GOD'S CREATOR;

Nah, they don't get confused,
they simply make their own _NEW_ rules. (like Leslie does)

You can too!

[n]ck

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Apr 7, 2001, 8:45:13 PM4/7/01
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T wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > (we have three year olds taking communion at my church, so I
> > _really_ don't get it.)
>
> oh yeah? well WE have two year olds taking communion at MY church.... :oŞ
> ok...maybe not.

Oh yeah??!?!!!


well, urrmmm.... we've got 93 year olds taking communion at *MY* church
and mistake it for their meds so end up not taking the meds they really
need and then croak out of nowhere..... so _THERE_!!!


(c:O


-ni-

"But we are getting in front of ourselves, we must begin with the
beginning. So let us rewind to the earlier now and start again...."
- Hunter S. Thompson

[n]ck

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Apr 7, 2001, 8:53:58 PM4/7/01
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Jenna wrote:
>
> I don't believe Christianity is a "religion" as such. I think that religion
> is what the priests and other leaders where into. Religion has rules and
> other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!

So.... ehhhh.... correct me if i'm wrong.... (NEVER!! HAIL FIEFEL!)

'Christianity' is basically.... urrmmmm....
atheism???

> You don't HAVE to go to church every week to be a Christian! Some people may
> live hundreds of miles away from one, but they are still Christian. You
> don't HAVE to be an elder or a special person to have communion at church.
> Jesus broke the bread and poured the wine for all of us, so we can remember
> him.
> Both of these are rules and there are many others. That's when people get
> all caught up in "religion" instead of Christianity. I do believe that you
> should follow the ten commandments, but where did all this other rot come
> from?

So what do you feel about Jesus's abolition of the ten commandments??

Steven Schrader

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Apr 7, 2001, 11:33:51 PM4/7/01
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jenna wrote:

> Yes, I know my newsgroup message may have sounded dumb, but my friend the
> other day said at their church they have to be a certain age, and have to be
> pretty much "accepted" to the church to have communion! I was quite confused
> because I have been having communion practically my whole life... and I
> think that some churches can get confused with the whole thing.

I used to run into that when my parent's were checking out new churches
(back when I was in junior high or just starting high school I think).

I think the idea is that communion is a very special and serious act and
they want people to come into it with a full understanding of what they're
doing.

Later,
---
Steven Schrader
The Musician's Homepage - http://www.themusicianshomepage.com
"Pooh knew what he meant, but, being a Bear of Very Little Brain,
couldn't think of the words." - The House at Pooh Corner

T

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Apr 8, 2001, 8:02:50 AM4/8/01
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you got me beat....damn
[n]ck <ni...@humbled.com> wrote in message
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AntiSocial

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The Last Church wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:23:02 -0700, AntiSocial
> <antipal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, another one of those wonderful "free-thinking" christians. Go back to the
> >new age section of Barnes & Noble, dear.
>

> Put you head back in your ass so the light won't hurt your eyes.

Are you still here? Looks like I need to call the Orkin man and tell him he missed a
big pest.

Ben Ferguson

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Apr 11, 2001, 11:56:48 PM4/11/01
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>
>I don't believe Christianity is a "religion" as such.

Why not?

> Religion has rules and
>other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!

So we can do whatever we want?

>I do believe that you
>should follow the ten commandments, but where did all this other rot come
>from?

Which "rot" are you refering to?

T

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Apr 12, 2001, 5:01:37 PM4/12/01
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<snip>

> > Religion has rules and
> >other restricted things, I don't believe Christianity does!
>
> So we can do whatever we want?

well....just to play devil's advocate...even if christianity didn't have
rules, you couldn't do whatever you wanted because there is "mans law".
<snip>


Ry

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Apr 25, 2001, 6:39:22 PM4/25/01
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in article 3ace42a4$1...@news01.one.net.au, Jenna at nor...@one.net.au wrote
on 4/6/01 6:23 PM:

This is a good question. If you watched Stigmata you are familiar with the
idea, or at least vagualy familiar with, the idea that God is not found in
crude stone buildings. Well it is true, but.... people group together. Hence
all the girls going to the bathroom at the sametime... we all want to be
around people like us... that is what church is about.
Paul's first churches were in fact not buildings, but groups of people in
a town who believed that Jesus was the Son of God.... and then they decided
to build a house to worship, and there is the first flocking of people.
To be Christian all you need is faith in God and the belief that Jesus was
his son, and the moral compass and will to follow God's laws and teachings.

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