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Pit Bull

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Mar 24, 2004, 9:05:57 PM3/24/04
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I admit that I don't know everything about this game and here is one of
them. What the heck is a bot?

Mark


Bucko

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Mar 25, 2004, 1:02:01 AM3/25/04
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"Pit Bull" <pit....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I admit that I don't know everything about this game and here is one of
> them. What the heck is a bot?
>
> Mark
>
>

A backgammon-playing program. One of the strongest, if not *the* strongest,
is GnuBG; it's open source and therefore free. I highly recommend you
download it; it will prove very instructive. Based on your previous posts
to this ng, I also recommend you roll the dice manually and enter the rolls
rather than having the program generate them. This will save us from having
to hear from you on how the program is rigged, for it will beat you so bad
compared to those guys on MSN, you won't believe it.

--
There is no luck; only variance.


Pit Bull

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Mar 25, 2004, 10:13:23 PM3/25/04
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Based on your previous posts
> to this ng, I also recommend you roll the dice manually and enter the
rolls
> rather than having the program generate them. This will save us from
having
> to hear from you on how the program is rigged, for it will beat you so bad
> compared to those guys on MSN, you won't believe it.
>
> --
> There is no luck; only variance.


You may be right about it beating me. I never said that I was an expert.
Hell, I'm probably not all that good. But I am smart enough to see a pattern
over a long enough period of time.

Mark


Pit Bull

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Mar 25, 2004, 10:16:04 PM3/25/04
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> A backgammon-playing program. One of the strongest, if not *the*
strongest,
> is GnuBG; it's open source and therefore free. I highly recommend you
> download it; it will prove very instructive. Based on your previous posts
> to this ng, I also recommend you roll the dice manually and enter the
rolls
> rather than having the program generate them. This will save us from
having
> to hear from you on how the program is rigged, for it will beat you so bad
> compared to those guys on MSN, you won't believe it.
>
> --
> There is no luck; only variance.


One other comment. If you don't believe what I am saying then go play the
game for yourself. Then you tell me what you found. That's a simple enough
solution.

Mark


MuffinHead

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Mar 25, 2004, 11:03:15 PM3/25/04
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In article <ndN8c.13688$Um2....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
"Pit Bull" <pit....@verizon.net> wrote:

> You may be right about it beating me. I never said that I was an expert.
> Hell, I'm probably not all that good. But I am smart enough to see a pattern
> over a long enough period of time.

Humans are great at seeing patterns where patterns don't really exist.
People who are convinced of something rather silly (like servers
cheating) will often ignore evidence to the contrary and handpick
examples in an effort to prove their point.

Computers can be trained to try and find patterns in pure noise. The
trick is to know when your "pattern" is statistically significant or
not; if it doesn't hold out over time, it's probably bunk.

Speaking of noise, it's become clear in posts by other people that your
assertion the server cheats is probably false on its face, because the
server has no concept of "right" or "left" players. You've done a great
job dancing around that rather important fact, because, I think, your
entire argument is that the player on one side of the board gets bad
dice. If you want to impress anyone in r.g.b. you'll need to post some
serious facts (e.g. a statistically significant amount of data, and not
your well-chosen anecdotes) for people to analyse. It's not impossible
the server is fixing dice, but it's not likely. You've got a tough hill
to climb, but all you've done is bitch and moan, at least from my
perspective.

Until you can manage more tangible arguments, you'll just be another
sore loser who can't stand losing a game of chance. Put up or shut up.
At this point, the latter would be preferred.

MuffinHead

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Mar 25, 2004, 11:08:22 PM3/25/04
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In article <c3tskp$3...@dispatch.concentric.net>,
"Bucko" <buck...@buckeroo.org> wrote:

> > I admit that I don't know everything about this game and here is one of
> > them. What the heck is a bot?
>

> A backgammon-playing program. One of the strongest, if not *the* strongest,
> is GnuBG

A backgammon-playing program is not necessarily a bot. A bot is just
some type of computer program ("agent" software) logged into some type
of server. For example, repbot on FIBS does not play backgammon. There
are various bots that actually *play* backgammon (based on Gnubg) on
FIBS, too, but they are all not the exact same program (although they
share a common source base).

With that said, Gnubg is one of the strongest backgammon programs
available, and it's free. So if you're looking to improve your game
(which might be a good idea), you'll probably get a lot of benefit from
it.

Bucko

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Mar 26, 2004, 1:45:18 PM3/26/04
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"MuffinHead" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> In article <c3tskp$3...@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> "Bucko" <buck...@buckeroo.org> wrote:
>
> > > I admit that I don't know everything about this game and here is one
of
> > > them. What the heck is a bot?
> >
> > A backgammon-playing program. One of the strongest, if not *the*
strongest,
> > is GnuBG
>
> A backgammon-playing program is not necessarily a bot. A bot is just
> some type of computer program ("agent" software) logged into some type
> of server. For example, repbot on FIBS does not play backgammon. There
> are various bots that actually *play* backgammon (based on Gnubg) on
> FIBS, too, but they are all not the exact same program (although they
> share a common source base).
>

Thanks for the clarification.

Quixote

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Mar 26, 2004, 9:11:08 PM3/26/04
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nob...@nowhere.com, talking about pure noise: your arrogant
contribution is a good example of the phenomenon!

TrollSlayer

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Mar 26, 2004, 10:25:43 PM3/26/04
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"Quixote" <rng_q...@vorras.net> wrote in message
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> nob...@nowhere.com, talking about pure noise: your arrogant
> contribution is a good example of the phenomenon!

Fuck off, troll.


MuffinHead

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Mar 26, 2004, 11:59:10 PM3/26/04
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I'm glad we agree.

Cheers!

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