Blood Bond

[Jozxyqk]

Another interesting rules question which came up in play:

If Blood Bond is played on a vampire, and then the acting
vampire (the one who played the bond) is burned, and then
another copy of him comes into play later, does the Blood
Bond still hold its effect?

What about if the acting vampire becomes contested, and
the new copy wins the contest?

[LSJ]

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> If Blood Bond is played on a vampire, and then the acting
> vampire (the one who played the bond) is burned, and then
> another copy of him comes into play later, does the Blood
> Bond still hold its effect?
> What about if the acting vampire becomes contested, and
> the new copy wins the contest?

No. Such cards operate on specific instances of the card,
not card name.

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[X_Ze...@email.msn.com]

In article <94hdrf$ftb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> > If Blood Bond is played on a vampire, and then the acting
> > vampire (the one who played the bond) is burned, and then
> > another copy of him comes into play later, does the Blood
> > Bond still hold its effect?
> > What about if the acting vampire becomes contested, and
> > the new copy wins the contest?
>
> No. Such cards operate on specific instances of the card,
> not card name.

I find that to be strange, especially on the contesting issue. Isn't it
the same vampire? Does it matter who controls them? Why would a
bloodbond not be valid between vampires if the controller of that
vampire changes?

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown Jr.
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp

[LSJ]

X_Ze...@email.msn.com wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> > > If Blood Bond is played on a vampire, and then the acting
> > > vampire (the one who played the bond) is burned, and then
> > > another copy of him comes into play later, does the Blood
> > > Bond still hold its effect?
> > > What about if the acting vampire becomes contested, and
> > > the new copy wins the contest?
> >
> > No. Such cards operate on specific instances of the card,
> > not card name.
>
> I find that to be strange, especially on the contesting issue. Isn't
> it the same vampire?

Not to the card game - cf. Disciplines learned by the old copy.
Yes, this doesn't match the backstory. But it is necessary to
allow the card game to function.

> Does it matter who controls them? Why would a
> bloodbond not be valid between vampires if the controller of that
> vampire changes?

It would be valid if the controller changed of *that* vampire.
(That is, if he were stolen, the blood bond would still apply).

Similarly, the stolen vampire would keep his same blood total,
discipline cards, granted titles, and Seeds of Corruption, and
would remain in torpor if in torpor already.

However, if a vampire is burned and then reintroduced later (or
is he is contested and the new copy wins out) those things do
not matter - the new copy has a blood supply independent of the
amount of blood on the old vampire at the time of his demise; has
none of the discipline cards, granted titles, or Seeds of
Corruptions of the burned copy; and is ready even if the old copy
was in torpor when he was burned/contested. Likewise any effects
pointing at the old (burned) vampire do not switch over to the
new vampire, including Blood Bond, Contract, "No Repeat Actions",
etc.

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LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

[X_Ze...@email.msn.com]

Thanks

[Jozxyqk]

Sounds like a conspiracy then.
Must be those damn Tzimisce, Fleshcrafting up all those clones. ;)

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