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Craig

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Oct 11, 2002, 12:03:44 AM10/11/02
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Hey now Gleshna,
It's pretty apparent you are REALLY UPSET.
And having talked to some of your local
windsurf crew (who MORE than volunteered
your locale--not your ficticious signups
with my site), you are one CRAZY OLD MOTHER FUCKER.

So, do you remember when I saw you with your old
Saab, loading your 20 foot board up onto your Thule
racks on Greenwood Street in Evanston???

Yep, Bawb, I took down your license plate number.
Since I went to HS in the city at a virtual "prep-
school" for the Chicago Police Department,
I thought it would be fun have a friend
"run your info".

So given your libelous proclivities and your penchant
for being a very crazy old man, you are completely
and totally identified..and NOT because you've
volunteered any info. Know that, jerk.

So you now have a fan in Preston Onkst.
And Preston has now taken it upon himself to review palces
he hasn't even ever seen...nor surfed.

Interesting how assholes are drawn to assholes.

Robt

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Oct 11, 2002, 1:13:39 AM10/11/02
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"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
news:948675dc.02101...@posting.google.com...

> So you now have a fan in Preston Onkst.

I've unlaced my shoes, which one of you is a Size 10 and can handle a mile.

@lex

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Oct 11, 2002, 3:48:47 AM10/11/02
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"Craig" <kemz...@kacm.com> wrote in message
news:948675dc.02101...@posting.google.com...
> Hey now Gleshna,
> It's pretty apparent you are REALLY UPSET.
> And having talked to some of your local
> windsurf crew (who MORE than volunteered
> your locale--not your ficticious signups
> with my site), you are one CRAZY OLD MOTHER FUCKER.
>
> So, do you remember when I saw you with your old
> Saab, loading your 20 foot board up onto your Thule
> racks on Greenwood Street in Evanston???
>
> Yep, Bawb, I took down your license plate number.
> Since I went to HS in the city at a virtual "prep-
> school" for the Chicago Police Department,
> I thought it would be fun have a friend
> "run your info".

Run your info?

Jesus this sounds like a nightmare now, that is not the slightiest funny
anymore! Reminds me of the jb vs carson stuff. Perhaps you guys should all
get together in a pool full of mud and just, you know, *fight* for real,
once and for all.

@lex


Gleshna

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Oct 11, 2002, 7:09:13 AM10/11/02
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>
>Hey now Gleshna,
>It's pretty apparent you are REALLY UPSET.

I am not the one swearing and threatening.

Craig, open your site for reading. I will point out where you lied to incite
anger toward me.

Why not let the facts speak for themselves?

Gleshna

todd

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Oct 11, 2002, 9:31:38 AM10/11/02
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craig wrote:

<<<<<<<<<Yep, Bawb, I took down your license plate number. Since I went
to HS in the city at a virtual "prep- school" for the Chicago Police
Department, I thought it would be fun have a friend
"run your info".>>>>>>>

I barely read these posts back and forth between you two. But now that I
am out of work with my second bout of bells I have more time on my
hands. But Craig, I think you doing that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of
line !!!!!! It just seems wrong to me to do such a thing. Yes, I have
met you and you have some awesome stoke, but you are out of line
"running his info"....todd.

...............><}}}}}">................
"I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish"
http://community.webtv.net/mzcmn/
http://www.glassygreen.com/


Foon

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Oct 11, 2002, 9:50:14 AM10/11/02
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"@lex" says...

>Jesus this sounds like a nightmare now, that is not the slightiest funny
>anymore! Reminds me of the jb vs carson stuff. Perhaps you guys should all
>get together in a pool full of mud and just, you know, *fight* for real,
>once and for all.

How 'bout a "Puddle of Mudd"? Which just happens to be a new cd I got for my
birthday upgrading my ancient music collection by light years. I figure if
a charger and ABBA lover like Neal "Kauai Boy" Miyake likes it maybe I too
can get in the groove. Today I have sore arms and wrists from practicing drums
to a catchy little diddy called "Blurry." Which reminded me tangentially of this
group.

Everything's so blurry
And everyone's so fake
And everybody's empty
And everything is so messed up

I hit the repeat button and woodshedded (that's "practiced" in drummer talk, not
PNW living arrangements) that bad boy for an hour. I liked it so much it's
worked it's way onto my 90 minute practice loop which I get to run through 3
times a week in half hour intervals. The down side is I need to use heavier
sticks, probably nylon 7As or 747s woods, and I need to rerack my Eddie Van
Halen 20 inch Paiste Signature Heavy Dry Ride (stadium size bell that pings like
a mofo) closer to my right hand or my old shoulder injury starts to act up.
Otherwise I think Craig, Bawb, and the Lakers all need to take a freezing cold
shower together and discuss the long term physiological aspects of cold water
immersion on gonadal tissue and how that will impact Asian markets in the next
18 months.

Welcome to my new newsgroup alt.surfdrums.starbucks

-Buddy (Rich)

Good surf drumming to you.

Timothy B. Maddux

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Oct 11, 2002, 10:37:20 AM10/11/02
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In article <xfsp9.2297$yN7.16...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
>The background check running is just WAY WAY WAY over the top...

Nothing like a total overreaction to start the day's
AS reading. BobbiG was just trolling lakesurf, and
now here, and all Craig had to do was ignore him. Maybe
there are real-life issues that the two of them have that
made Craig feel the need to start snooping around, but
that should have been dealt with irl, not here.

Stop being a thug on the group, Craig,
and stop feeding the trolls.

--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "The waves, as always, hold the more insidious addiction."

@lex

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:11:31 AM10/11/02
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"Foon" <fo...@newsguy.com> :

> How 'bout a "Puddle of Mudd"?

That's not nice to talk about the GL this way.

@lex


rodNDtube

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:18:10 AM10/11/02
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Then again it might just be posturing. Folks are rather paranoid in
jumping headfirst to believe any mention or allegations of "background
checks" but yet when Will Borgeson passed away it was written off as a
hoax for nearly a week.

Personally, I wish Craig and Gleshna would take it off line. Neither one
of you is scoring points with most of us.

Rod Rodgers
eMail: rrod...@bcpl.net
Homepage: http://www.rodNDtube.com/
GuidoPalooza: http://www.rodndtube.com/gp/guidopalooza.html

REd

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:41:35 AM10/11/02
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kemz...@kacm.com (Craig) wrote in message news:<948675dc.02101...@posting.google.com>...

> Hey now Gleshna,
> It's pretty apparent you are REALLY UPSET.
> And having talked to some of your local
> windsurf crew

Craig, the investigative reporter, goes to Wolf Lake, where there is
no surf, to ask about Gleshna. Craig, I believe this is not true.

(who MORE than volunteered
> your locale--not your ficticious signups
> with my site), you are one CRAZY OLD MOTHER FUCKER.


Craig, didn't you forget goofy looking? ( Craig looks like Robert
Redford. )
Craig, everytime you invoke ageism, I will point out that you are also
offending some of the more mature users of your own site. Anyone
looking at pictures related to your site can see that not all of the
surfers are spring chickens.

> So, do you remember when I saw you with your old
> Saab, loading your 20 foot board up onto your Thule
> racks on Greenwood Street in Evanston???


Sure, you met someone that you thought was me. I convinced via email
that it was me. Believe it or not my friends and I do communicate with
each other.
I have put up your post after that supposed meeting. Geeze, you are
easy.



> Yep, Bawb, I took down your license plate number.
> Since I went to HS in the city at a virtual "prep-
> school" for the Chicago Police Department,
> I thought it would be fun have a friend
> "run your info".

Weird either way. I believe that the above is just another typical
lie to cover the truth. I believe that you used information from my
registration on your sight to invade my privacy by posting my town.
This is irresponsible behavior for a site manager. Look at your
contract with the forum providers.

> So given your libelous proclivities and your penchant
> for being a very crazy old man,

It has to be false to be libel. Open your site and I will post the
address of the threads that I have complained about.

you are completely
> and totally identified..and NOT because you've
> volunteered any info. Know that, jerk.

The facts are on my side. Regular guy expectations are on my side.
All you have left is to swear and call me names.

> So you now have a fan in Preston Onkst.
> And Preston has now taken it upon himself to review palces
> he hasn't even ever seen...nor surfed.
>
> Interesting how assholes are drawn to assholes.

I take it that this is some kind of real world threat. Typical. Gee,
Craig, be a regular guy.

Here is the way it is:

- when you bad mouth me, I will respond with the truth. If you don't
like these posts then treat people with repect or at least the
truth..including me.

- Stay on topic and I won't post rebuttals. I will however continue
to use my rights to post my surfing experience.

- you know what you have done. In your place I would admit my
misbehaviors and apologize.

Notice in the above that I have not nor will I ask to use your
so-called forum.

Gleshna

Tim Maddux

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Oct 11, 2002, 1:18:52 PM10/11/02
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rodNDtube wrote:
> Then again it might just be posturing.

If it's posturing, then it's still inappropriate.

> ...when Will Borgeson passed away it was written off as a


> hoax for nearly a week.

That's just an authentication problem: did we know
that acqua.marina (the person who delivered the news
of Will) was telling the truth? In this case, authentication
isn't an issue. Craig is claiming to have done something
himself (leaving aside for a moment the possibility that
someone is spoofing Craig). It's WAY uncool to have done
it, especialy over discussions on USENET about surfing
the Great Lakes, of all things. But it's also uncool to
have claimed it in a rant. So either way, true or not,
it's still uncool.

> Neither one of you is scoring points with most of us.

Can we take some away?

--

Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI

.-``'. "Absolute macrocosmic metaphysical truth is unalterably
.` .`~ and indisputibly on my side for all eternity and then
_.-' '._ some, you know, okay?"

Gleshna

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Oct 11, 2002, 5:47:16 PM10/11/02
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>Maybe
>there are real-life issues that the two of them have that
>made Craig feel the need to start snooping around, but
>that should have been dealt with irl, not here.

Craig has never met me, even though he thinks he has. And that supposed
meeting was very brief. The only issues are with cyberspace behavior.

I believe that Craig's supposed snooping around is a cover for the fact that he
used my registration information on his so-called forum. This is an
irresponsible breach of privacy and against the contract that he has with the
company that he rents the so-called forum from.

Gleshna

Gleshna

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Oct 11, 2002, 5:56:31 PM10/11/02
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>
>Personally, I wish Craig and Gleshna would take it off line. Neither one
>of you is scoring points with most of us.

Consider my position without alt.surfing to voice my complaint. There is no
other cyberspace for my complaint. Also, consider that this is an alert to
others that deal with Craig as to what could be in store.

Craig has already shown through his posts that he is not acting like a
reasonable person. Do your really believe that private emails is a way to deal
with slander.

As I have stated before my complaints are merely in response to his slander
toward me. He can stop it by:

1.- open up his site and show that I am wrong about the slander

2.- stop slandering ... if he posts not another word of slander toward me then
I won't post a complaint with the truth

Frankly, I was here just minding my own business when he originally ran back to
his forum, told the first lie about me to enlist support, and he has ridin and
added to that lie. My complaint is merely a response.

Gleshna

superfly®

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Oct 11, 2002, 6:57:13 PM10/11/02
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It's a loooong, loooong decent into madness. And the first step
is something like "taking a job on the EC to further your career".
The next thing you know, it's 10 years later, you can't see your
feet, your board folds in 4 pieces and has a waterproof cellular
phone in it so you can "day trade" while you're surfing 2 ft mush
on the Not-so-great Lakes. Soon after that you are screaming
at the top of your lungs at ppl who diss the GL on usenet and
then you are taking down their license plate from behind a fire
hydrant at dusk with a ski mask on...

A loooooooooooooooong, loooooooooooooooooong decent
into madness..................................

"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote

Timothy B. Maddux

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Oct 11, 2002, 6:58:06 PM10/11/02
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In article <20021011174716...@mb-mn.aol.com>,

Gleshna <gle...@aol.com> wrote:
>Craig has never met me, even though he thinks he has.
>And that supposed meeting was very brief.

How can a meeting that never took place
between you and Craig be brief or long,
and how would you know? Did he actually
meet someone else? Someone you know?
Who? If it's not you, then he's getting
his cop buddies to pull the rap sheet
on the wrong guy.

--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~

_.-' '._ "Moderation in all things... including moderation."

Gleshna

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Oct 11, 2002, 9:26:17 PM10/11/02
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If it's not you, then he's getting
>his cop buddies to pull the rap sheet
>on the wrong guy.

First, let me say again that Craig is not honest. If he opens his site to
reading, anyone can easily see this. I will post the exact thread.

I do not believe that he did any such rap sheet thing. That is just a
distraction from using posting private registration information of one of his
so-called users.

>
>How can a meeting that never took place
>between you and Craig be brief or long,
>and how would you know? Did he actually
>meet someone else? Someone you know?
>Who?

At one of the places I surf, one of the regulars told me that a stranger
approached him after a session and called him Gleshna, etc. He told Craig
that he didn't use computers and was not Gleshna. He mentioned it to me, and I
took it from there. Ask Craig, when I emailed him about the meeting he didn't
believe it was me. Remember Craig at one time was freaked out because he
thought I was a little black lady from Indiana. As far as "who?" Well, that
is that person's business.

I will point out that during this time Craig never asked about surfing with me
via the internet.

See, I respect others privacy on the internet. I don't go stalking. I know
where Craig surfs. I checked it out years ago before Craig decided he was
going to become a surfer. I was not impressed. However, more power to those
that enjoy the spot and Craig.

I find it weird that Craig stalks alt.surfing users. That is not what a
regular guy does.


Gleshna

superfly®

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Oct 11, 2002, 9:57:21 PM10/11/02
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"Gleshna" <gle...@aol.com> wrote

> See, I respect others privacy on the internet. I don't go stalking. I know
> where Craig surfs. I checked it out years ago before Craig decided he was
> going to become a surfer.

Whats funny is that less than 2 years ago craig was talking about riding
a boogie board and losing 100 pds. Now he's some bad GL local.
It's friggin pathetic


Timothy B. Maddux

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:04:48 PM10/11/02
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In article <20021011212617...@mb-cq.aol.com>,

Gleshna <gle...@aol.com> wrote:
>I do not believe that he did any such rap sheet thing.
[ snip ]

>At one of the places I surf, one of the regulars told me that a stranger
>approached him after a session and called him Gleshna, etc.

Okay, so it wasn't you loading the 20-ft board on Greenwood
St. in Evanston, whose "info" got "run."

Well, it's good to hear that Craig isn't stalked an ASer then,
but I feel sorry for this other guy.

--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~

_.-' '._ All your wave are belong to me!

REd

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Oct 12, 2002, 3:07:06 PM10/12/02
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tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy B. Maddux) wrote in message news:<ao83gf$50a$1...@naig.caltech.edu>...

> Okay, so it wasn't you loading the 20-ft board on Greenwood
> St. in Evanston, whose "info" got "run."

I have never heard or seen a 20 foot board around here. There are
plenty of people riding 10 foot boards though.

> Well, it's good to hear that Craig isn't stalked an ASer then,
> but I feel sorry for this other guy.

I promise you that this is a non-issue for "this other guy." The
meeting was three years ago, things change with time.

Gleshna

Robt

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Oct 12, 2002, 5:20:37 PM10/12/02
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What color is the Saab?

"REd" <Gle...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Wavslav

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Oct 14, 2002, 1:21:34 AM10/14/02
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A red saab on greenwood street?
2 guys who live near a lake that claim to surf but don't have real waves?
And now they are stalking each other?

AS could be heading for it's last season.
Can we get some new screen writers in here?
This material is getting very weak.
Wavslav

http://www.scsurfers.com/wavslav.html


Gleshna

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Oct 14, 2002, 7:57:16 AM10/14/02
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>And now they are stalking each other?

I am not stalking or threatening anyone.

Try to get your reading comprehension and facts straight.

Gleshna

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